However, Edmonds said: "He was aiding foreign operatives against US interests by passing them highly classified information, not only from the State Department but also from the Pentagon, in exchange for money, position and political objectives."

Traitor? Espionage?

GaryPDX: Traitor? Espionage?

Nothing to see here, citizen, Fearless Leader decides what is legal and what isn't.

"If you made public all the information that the FBI have on this case, you will see very high-level people going through criminal trials," she said.

Oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please....

Lionel Mandrake: "If you made public all the information that the FBI have on this case, you will see very high-level people going through criminal trials," she said.

Oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please....

Yeah, just in time for them to be pardoned.

Besides, why else were we not worried when A.Q. Khan sold nuclear secrets? We knew what they had...

GaryPDX: However, Edmonds said: "He was aiding foreign operatives against US interests by passing them highly classified information, not only from the State Department but also from the Pentagon, in exchange for money, position and political objectives."

Traitor? Espionage?

Yeah, right after Scooter goes through for treason

Iran Contra round 2?
/now all we need is a link to crack or heroin

As long as they didn't pass any new-ku-lar technology to Pakistan. That would be bad.

for fark's sake use a preposition.
They're legal.

FormlessOne: Lionel Mandrake: "If you made public all the information that the FBI have on this case, you will see very high-level people going through criminal trials," she said.

Oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please....

Yeah, just in time for them to be pardoned.

Besides, why else were we not worried when A.Q. Khan sold nuclear secrets? We knew what they had...

I don't think that the American people or even Congress would stand by while treason was pardoned. We may have gotten lax about holding our elected officials accountable, but high level officials giving away nuclear secrets would probably spark a backlash.

Sibel Edmonds is finally talking.

I wonder why the Times is witholding the name of the State Department Official.

Anyone want to bet their initials are P. N. A. C?

The senior official in the State Department no longer works there.

Hmmmm....

Sounds like maybe the individual's initials are now W.B.

Interesting news. Can we listen to the tapes pleeeeeeasse?

Meh. Poor planning and placing all our eggs in one shoddy basket.

Remember the "Axis of Evil"? Yeah, North Korea, Iran and Iraq. Mushroom.

Pakistan was developing and testing nuclear weapons the entire time. On our dime. Oh, so was India.

"War on Turrur" indeed. Tora Bora. Osama. Dead or Alive.

What a bunch of bullshiat.

/Is it just me?

Interesting. What year did Pakistan explode its firstnooclear bomb? 1998, eh? Let me see who was President then and which high-level government employees would be involved in passing them that technology...



/"I see Democrats"

Alien Robot: Interesting. What year did Pakistan explode its firstnooclear bomb? 1998, eh? Let me see who was President then and which high-level government employees would be involved in passing them that technology...



/"I see Democrats"

Everything changed after 9/11.

Wouldn't ironic be more appropriate, Subby?
The WH effectively archives OUR e-mails, but consistently loses theirs if implicated in wrong-doing?

Huh? HUH?

lolmao666: Is it me or after that and the question about ``nuclear attack in the US`` in the NH debate there's some public mind preparation for another reichtag fire to start the new establishment president or to keep Bush into office?

The next reichtag fire is the economy. When the BIG banks (read central bankers) start calling in the loans that smoldering sound you hear will sound like a freight train - which is what will take you off to the Haliburton work camps. The self nuking option is reserved for the cities experiencing a criticial mass of dissent.
I read this on the internets!

Alien Robot: /"I see Democrats"

That would seem to fit the timeline, but with a Bush AG claiming state's secrets? Somehow that just doesn't seem to wash.

It wouldn't be the first time this administration leaked sensitive security intelligence to score political points.

You know, like the name of the CIA agent heading up counter proliferation efforts to mitigate the effects of this very breach.

/and others incidents, too. That's just the most obvious.

"You saw it, he pulled a gun on me."

I have full confidence in the Administration's diplomacy. With Lucy Van Pelt as Secretary of State, what could go wrong?

/Wait. She has a PhD in Soviet Studies?
//At least she knows how to keep Putin under control.
///Never try to kick the football.

The senior official in the State Department no longer works there.

And will probably never hold any government post again. That's generally what these kind of investigations are going for-- why this agent is trying for a public hearing is beyond me, tired of doing things the cloak-and-dagger way, I guess.

Public trials are bad for everyone, politically. So while my vengance-habby bits are all for this expose and destroy stuff, the calmer, practical bits understand the 'voluntary retirement' (to a summer home where all the phones are tapped) idea.

Colin Powell?

Jim_Callahan: The senior official in the State Department no longer works there.

And will probably never hold any government post again. That's generally what these kind of investigations are going for-- why this agent is trying for a public hearing is beyond me, tired of doing things the cloak-and-dagger way, I guess.

Public trials are bad for everyone, politically. So while my vengance-habby bits are all for this expose and destroy stuff, the calmer, practical bits understand the 'voluntary retirement' (to a summer home where all the phones are tapped) idea.

I would post something but I decided I am going to spend more time with my family.

This isn't a cut and dry Bush thing.
The article spoke in 'past tense' too much and the ref about 'backlogs of intel' from '97 in no way implicates anyone during the Bush Admin.

Kahn was most actively seeking Nook Tech during the late Benazir Bhutto administration during '93-96.

Also look at the reference to the mention of Israel, i.e. the Turkish and Israeli moles.
It has been rumored since the Monica tapes (yea, yea, I know...) that the Israeli's have been monitoring A LOT of communications from the White House/National Defense.

This has Clinton Administration officials written all over it.

B-b-b-but Clinton flames on.
Regardless, I say ANYONE giving that Shait away must be executed.

"In summer 2000, Edmonds says the FBI monitored one of the agents as he met two Saudi Arabian businessmen in Detroit to sell nuclear information that had been stolen from an air force base in Alabama"

Thats Red Stone, Sports Fans, not the ANG Base in Montgomery.

FTFA
"Edmonds's employment with the FBI lasted for just six months. In March 2002 she was dismissed after accusing a colleague of covering up illicit activity involving Turkish nationals."

Clinton Admin and heads should roll.
IF it was Bush Admin, same thing.

The senior official in the State Department no longer works there.
Albright knows who it is.

Smart Ass: FTFA
"Edmonds's employment with the FBI lasted for just six months. In March 2002 she was dismissed after accusing a colleague of covering up illicit activity involving Turkish nationals."

Clinton Admin and heads should roll.
IF it was Bush Admin, same thing.

The senior official in the State Department no longer works there.
Albright knows who it is.



What an idiot. Really.

boomaze

The article, ass clown.
Read it.

Smart Ass: This isn't a cut and dry Bush thing.
The article spoke in 'past tense' too much and the ref about 'backlogs of intel' from '97 in no way implicates anyone during the Bush Admin.

Kahn was most actively seeking Nook Tech during the late Benazir Bhutto administration during '93-96.

Also look at the reference to the mention of Israel, i.e. the Turkish and Israeli moles.
It has been rumored since the Monica tapes (yea, yea, I know...) that the Israeli's have been monitoring A LOT of communications from the White House/National Defense.

This has Clinton Administration officials written all over it.

B-b-b-but Clinton flames on.
Regardless, I say ANYONE giving that Shait away must be executed.

"In summer 2000, Edmonds says the FBI monitored one of the agents as he met two Saudi Arabian businessmen in Detroit to sell nuclear information that had been stolen from an air force base in Alabama"

Thats Red Stone, Sports Fans, not the ANG Base in Montgomery.

Well said.

Diplomacy. Front and Center.

The Montana Caucus took place today. Finally!

I don't lean towards any party in particular. I just know which ones piss me off.

I would love to see a man/woman/Coulter take power. Enough of the hot air. Shut the fark up and explain how we're going to get out of this mess.

/Still wearing an Amurikan Flag lapel pin.
//Traders don't.
///Government is not about party lines. It is about thought and responsibility.
////So much for that. I spent $4 billion on NH ads!
//Lincoln would be proud.

Smart Ass: boomaze

The article, ass clown.
Read it.

Read it. Nothing about Clinton or names. You are purely speculating ( pulling shiat out of your ass)because CLinton is the Anti-Christ. You people are totally retarded. Idiot.

QFTA:

"If you made public all the information that the FBI have on this case, you will see very high-level people going through criminal trials," she said.

I'm still laughing at this statement. She doesn't know the politics of this country very well.

sasquatchologist:

I don't care who did it, they need to be prosecuted, and made an example out of.

boomaze

You read the times and order of their story.

Guess we'll see, Bro.

When are you clowns going to wake up and realize that BOTH parties are farking this country right in front of God and everyone.

Sibel Edmonds has been trying to get attention for years.

This story, like the Ron Paul blackout, reminds me a lot of a section of the foreword to Brave New World:

"The greatest triumphs of propaganda have been accomplished, not by doing something, but by refraining from doing. Great is truth, but still greater, from a practical point of view, is silence about truth. By simply not mentioning certain subjects, by lowering what Mr. Churchill calls an "iron curtain" between the masses and such facts or arguments as the local political bosses regard as undesirable, totalitarian propagandists have influenced opinion much more effectively than they could have done by the most eloquent denunciations, the most compelling of logical rebuttals. But silence is not enough. If persecution, liquidation and other symptoms of social friction are to be avoided, the positive sides of propaganda must be made as effective as the negative. The most important Manhattan Projects of the future will be vast government-sponsored enquiries into what the politicians and the participating scientists will call "the problem of happiness" -- in other words, the problem of making people love their servitude."

Okay, my first guess, and still in my opinion the most obvious, with ties to both the State Dept. and the Pentagon was Colin Powell. That being said, further cursory research seems to indicate that Richard Armitage might have been the money man as well. I think they were probably both involved.

We need to start executing people for treason again. Forget hanging, we need to shoot them in the face. In front of their families. On Sundays.

theusercomponent:


Powell and Armitage didn't work in the State Dept for the previous Admin.

Sibel Edmonds was hired in 2001 and only lasted 6 months.
The Bush admin was there when she was 'let go' but she had 'thousands of hours' of shait to read from '97 while there. She wasn't given the "latest-most-up-to-datest" intel.

Who ever it was is 'no longer there' and a CIA source said:
"We have no indication that Turkey has its own nuclear ambitions. But the Turks are traders. To my knowledge they became big players in the late 1990s,"

To me, that adds up to a previous Administration but who knows, if Bush and Co are guilty, equal punishment but I don't see how they could given time in office, etc.
By the time she was fired, Bush had been in office, what? a year?

Lawrence Franklin
"He was one of the top people providing information and packages during 2000 and 2001," she said.
Maybe Paul Wolfowitz?
Wiki Link(pops) with some interesting info.

QFTA:

Edmonds said: "I heard at least three transactions like this over a period of 2½ years. There are almost certainly more."

The Pakistani operation was led by General Mahmoud Ahmad, then the ISI chief.

Mahmoud Ahmad didn't serve as the head of ISI until October 1999. He left shortly after 9-11.

Smart Ass

Interesting. He definitely seems a part of this group, but who was the man in the State Dept.? Strobe Talbott just doesn't add up, and the article specifically says "he", and I think (hope!) we can say that Madeline Albright isn't a man, baby!

theusercomponent: Okay, my first guess, and still in my opinion the most obvious, with ties to both the State Dept. and the Pentagon was Colin Powell. That being said, further cursory research seems to indicate that Richard Armitage might have been the money man as well. I think they were probably both involved.

She's named the names before and Willian Cohen headed the list.

-Arms Control and Disarmament Agency
-Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Regional Programs
-State Department Director of Policy Planning
-State Department Assistant Secretary for East Asian and Pacific Affairs
-Ambassador to the Republic of Indonesia
-Undersecretary of Defense for Policy
-Dean of the Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Studies
-Deputy Secretary of Defense

Paul Dundes Wolfowitz(pppppops)

Damn. He's worked for several Presidents.

/just tryin to be neutral and cover all bases.

William Cohen doesn't appear to have worked at the State Department.

I wonder if it's the leaker Armitage. Hmmmm.

Aarontology: I don't think that the American people or even Congress would stand by while treason was pardoned. We may have gotten lax about holding our elected officials accountable, but high level officials giving away nuclear secrets would probably spark a backlash.

I loled.

/cynical
//I know...

Alien Robot

Aha! It looks like Marc Grossman may be our guy in the State Dept.

theusercomponent
Hey Bro.
Of course I know the difference between girls and boys.
Well, as much as a guy can...You can testify to the gender of Albright, I'll take your word for it..ewwww!
I was thinking Wolf, but as Alien Robot has just provided another name, I'll say again, "who knows". Hopefully us soon.

theusercomponent
"Grossman has been a career Foreign Service Officer since 1976. He was Director General of the Foreign Service and Director of Human Resources, from June 2000 to February 2001, and Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs, from August 1997 to May 2000. From November 1994 to June 1997, he served as U.S. Ambassador to Turkey. Prior to this, from January 1993 to September 1994, he was Special Assistant to the Secretary of State and Executive Secretary of the Department of State."

(Yea, Wiki, I know!)
Maybe a Bingo.

Smart Ass

"From November 1994 to June 1997, he served as U.S. Ambassador to Turkey"

That one sure grabs the attention, doesn't it? I was struggling trying to find a Turkish connection for all the other suspects. I think we can rest our case now. I do think Wolfowitz probably knew what was going on. In fact, I'll go so far as to say everybody that resigned in '05 knew about it.

"In researching this article, The Sunday Times has talked to two FBI officers (one serving, one former) and two former CIA sources who worked on nuclear proliferation."

"Khan caused an alert among western intelligence agencies when his aides met Osama Bin Laden. 'We were aware of contact between A Q Khan's people and Al-Qaeda,' a former CIA officer said last week. 'There was absolute panic when we initially discovered this, but it kind of panned out in the end.'"

Valerie Plame?

Americans implicated passing nuclear technology to Pakistan.

Yeah, they're called double agents, flubmitter.

Alien Robot:

Valerie Plame?

Thats my choice if it has to be someone.
Maybe her hubby also, State Department?

The_OcO: We need to start executing people for treason again. Forget hanging, we need to shoot them in the face. In front of their families. On Sundays.

This is the only real death penalty I'd support. When you have influence of the health and happiness of hundreds of millions of people, you should also take the responsibility of your own life being forfeit if you are proven to betray an entire people.