HE WON MY COUNTY! (pops)

Shockingly, someone whom the media decides it either won't cover or will only cover as a member of the lunatic fringe doesn't poll well. Talk about your self-fulfilling prophecies.

Remember a couple of weeks ago when Democrats who didn't like the overall tone and message of "fair and balanced" Fox News didn't attend (D) debates on Fox? Remember how all the Republicans and right wing bloggers asked the question "What are they afraid of!?".

I wonder if those same pundits, bloggers and farkers will ask the same rhetorical question here, since the circumstances seem remarkably similar. Party (or various member within the party) don't care for the network's obvious and ham-fisted slant so they'd rather play their reindeer games somewhere else.

Seems that both sides are "afraid" of Fox News, using their logic. Howzat?

Fox News sucks the big one.

How can Fox News claim to be "fair and balanced" after this?

Bill_Wick's_Friend: Remember a couple of weeks ago when Democrats who didn't like the overall tone and message of "fair and balanced" Fox News didn't attend (D) debates on Fox? Remember how all the Republicans and right wing bloggers asked the question "What are they afraid of!?".

I wonder if those same pundits, bloggers and farkers will ask the same rhetorical question here, since the circumstances seem remarkably similar. Party (or various member within the party) don't care for the network's obvious and ham-fisted slant so they'd rather play their reindeer games somewhere else.

Seems that both sides are "afraid" of Fox News, using their logic. Howzat?

RP supporters never gave the Dems crap for dodging fox. It's the RP supporters that are trying to bring some sensibility back to the GOP.

UltimateLazyPerson: RP supporters never gave the Dems crap for dodging fox. It's the RP supporters that are trying to bring some sensibility back to the GOP.

True dat.... but it's the entire NH GOP that is making this statement, not just Ron Paul supporters within that group.

So awesome....

IOW the NH GOP isn't doing a goddamned thing. An effective response would require the other candidates to say FOAD to Pox, or the RNC or like group of plutocrats to order them away.

I guess The Yellow Kid only sells so many papers.

/Obscure?
//Yeah. Obscure.

flaEsq: IOW the NH GOP isn't doing a goddamned thing. An effective response would require the other candidates to say FOAD to Pox, or the RNC or like group of plutocrats to order them away.

Anyone else smell a breakup of the two party system? Isn't NH 40% Independent?

/we can only hope

If I think about this for too long, I start feeling sick.

When I called FOX, I was told that "it's hard to get national media coverage when you're not polling well". He said it as if he didn't even realize the inverse, it's hard to poll well when you're not getting national media coverage.

Honestly, wtf?

We can't get third party candidates into the debates, which leaves us with one less opposing voice to hear. Now we whittle both parties down to the point where they say the exact same thing, and don't even allow opposing voices from within those parties! Anyone who thinks that we have an efficient and honest democratic process is farking nuts.

Ron Paul is making both the parties look like retarded idiots. He's the only one actually talking the Constitution.

I'm liking him more every day.

GaryPDX: flaEsq: IOW the NH GOP isn't doing a goddamned thing. An effective response would require the other candidates to say FOAD to Pox, or the RNC or like group of plutocrats to order them away.

Anyone else smell a breakup of the two party system? Isn't NH 40% Independent?

/we can only hope

Sadly, even though I'm an avid RP supporter, I predict that the Dems will clean house in November. Then after about 8-12 years of corrupt democratic rule, the masses will be demanding the Republicans to gain control and reform. The cycle will continue.

UltimateLazyPerson:

Sadly, even though I'm an avid RP supporter, I predict that the Dems will clean house in November. Then after about 8-12 years of corrupt democratic rule, the masses will be demanding the Republicans to gain control and reform. The cycle will continue.

You underestimate the patience of the American people, I think. Seems to me these little dynasties average about 30-40 years and then the people throw the bums out.

GaryPDX:
You underestimate the patience of the American people, I think. Seems to me these little dynasties average about 30-40 years and then the people throw the bums out.

So let's see.

We'll say it started with Bush as veep in 1980 and it's now 2008. That's 28 years. I hope you're right, but that still gives us another 4-12 years : (

UltimateLazyPerson: GaryPDX:
You underestimate the patience of the American people, I think. Seems to me these little dynasties average about 30-40 years and then the people throw the bums out.

So let's see.

We'll say it started with Bush as veep in 1980 and it's now 2008. That's 28 years. I hope you're right, but that still gives us another 4-12 years : (

I could be wrong, but I think this pattern goes all the way back to 1776. I have no proof at this time.

GaryPDX: I could be wrong, but I think this pattern goes all the way back to 1776. I have no proof at this time.

It doesn't. The cycles were faster back then. Probably has something to do with the shorter lifespan.

TheCid: GaryPDX: I could be wrong, but I think this pattern goes all the way back to 1776. I have no proof at this time.

It doesn't. The cycles were faster back then. Probably has something to do with the shorter lifespan.

So we should kill all the old people?

I emailed Fox News 3 times in the past week or so, didn't even get a canned response. Even if I didn't want to see Ron Paul there I still think that everyone that is running for President should get a platform to speak.

Doesn't this violate the equal time laws?

UltimateLazyPerson: TheCid: GaryPDX: I could be wrong, but I think this pattern goes all the way back to 1776. I have no proof at this time.

It doesn't. The cycles were faster back then. Probably has something to do with the shorter lifespan.

So we should kill all the old people?

Not for this reason alone.

Is FOX sticking with the "we just have a small space/we can't fit anyone else" defense, or the "despite having more money than Fred "We're skipping NH" Thompson and doing way better than Giuliani in Iowa, he is not viable" defense?

I mean, both are clearly Fair & Balanced, but I want to know which is the most Fair and Balanced.

I'm also running for president and outraged that Fox News didn't let me into their debate. Every whackjob candidate should have equal time on private and obviously totally biased news channels.

Ron Paul is a tall cold glass of crazy... but I love how his mere presence fractures and annoys the GOP.
If I hadn't already hitched my wagon to a different star, I might even consider voting for the man.

7of7: I'm also running for president and outraged that Fox News didn't let me into their debate. Every whackjob candidate should have equal time

You shouldn't be so hard on yourself.

7of7: I'm also running for president and outraged that Fox News didn't let me into their debate. Every whackjob candidate should have equal time on private and obviously totally biased news channels.

Ron Paul got 10% in Iowa... Less than 3% from third. By your logic the debate should be between Huck and Romney.

Hopefully this news media blackout of a MAJOR candidate will continue to be brought to light.

I am astounded more Farkers don't understand what's going on here. This is pure People v. Establishment. Drew's book only goes so far. Take his same themes and apply them to media history and you will see where this trend is headed.

Restore the Republic!

Ron Paul 2008

7of7: I'm also running for president and outraged that Fox News didn't let me into their debate.

Have you raised more money than Thompson? Are you outpolling Thompson? Did you more than double Giuliani's numbers in Iowa?

Then you absolutely should be included.

7of7: I'm also running for president and outraged that Fox News didn't let me into their debate. Every whackjob candidate should have equal time on private and obviously totally biased news channels.

Read the article:

Having never received an initial invitation, Paul's capture of 10% in Iowa Thursday, still did not convince organizers to allow his participation.

Ron Paul got 10% of iowa. That puts him in the running. Granted, he's not out in front....but he's now a legitimate candidate despite what the powers that be think of him and his ideas.

So why the media black out?

7of7: I'm also running for president and outraged that Fox News didn't let me into their debate. Every whackjob candidate should have equal time on private and obviously totally biased news channels.


Did you get 10% in Iowa? Did you raise 6 million in 1 day?

Don't let facts get in the way of your hatred for Ron Paul. Let the hatred flow.

Where's all the love for Duncan Hunter?

Personally, I'd only ever run for president to see my name on the bumper stickers.

FriarReb98: Where's all the love for Duncan Hunter?

Ron Paul is a little bit crazy, which is good for the political process.
Hunter is batshiat insane...and more importantly, he is not putting up numbers that soundly beat FOX's "worthy of an invitation" candidates like Thompson and Giuliani.

I am happy to see this. The media should not determine who participates. Excluding Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, and the smaller "big" candidates from debates effectively gives free airtime to all the other candidates. It is biased and unfair.

I don't need FOX or ABCNews deciding who I should hear from. Who the hell are they?

Afternoon_Delight: Yawn.

Oh, c'mon, no witty picture or photoshop?

Ron Paul should get to participate. He's the only one up there who isn't talking out of their ass.


oh, and

Good for them.

sarty: I am happy to see this.

For its symbolic value? The state GOP can cry and moan but it's powerless to effect any change.

flaEsq: sarty: I am happy to see this.

For its symbolic value? The state GOP can cry and moan but it's powerless to effect any change.

It might have an impact on the primary and/or the Fox debate if this story is run in some local papers tomorrow.

Q314: Hopefully this news media blackout of a MAJOR candidate will continue to be brought to light.

I am astounded more Farkers don't understand what's going on here. This is pure People v. Establishment. Drew's book only goes so far. Take his same themes and apply them to media history and you will see where this trend is headed.

I wouldn't vote for Ron Paul, but I send an e-mail to Fox telling them that they should allow Paul in the debate.

More choice = good.

We have what? a 1000 tv channels of porn, talking heads and Hollywood?

Why don't we have an actual hard election process "Politics" channel? Everyone would get more face time to explain their voodoo and there would be a lot less influential money flying around.

We wouldn't have to decide our vote on sound bites and these monkeys would have to actually explain themselves in depth BEFORE they get elected.

/don't say CSPAN, that's a process observation type of channel.

I predict this thread is about to get torn open

I think Paul has earned the right to bring his particular brand of crazy to the debates, and there's no logical reasons he shouldn't.

That being said, I think this may actually be better for Paul's campaign. It completely plays into the underdog/rebel thing he's been running with.

It is kind of silly to have different rules for debates one day apart from oneanother, but I can understand the arguments for both sides.

I hope the station can find some new sponsers to sponser the event. It's really a shame the GOP refuses to sponser it anymore.

/Speling is inportent

FuriousGeorge945: That being said, I think this may actually be better for Paul's campaign. It completely plays into the underdog/rebel thing he's been running with.

true, I did not think of it like that

Latest Rasmussen poll has Paul at 14% in NH, taking 3rd.

Churchill2004: Latest Rasmussen poll has Paul at 14% in NH, taking 3rd.

I think he could come in 1st, and Fox News would STILL ignore him.

gimmedaloot: FuriousGeorge945: That being said, I think this may actually be better for Paul's campaign. It completely plays into the underdog/rebel thing he's been running with.

true, I did not think of it like that

And it's adorably magnetic for him. His brand of crazy is just at the edge of viable. He's the type of guy that will have the Secret Service shove a pocket Constitution up anyones ass that looks at funny.

I like him.