Or look at them.

As a guy in my late 20's that teaches middle school, I am conscience to not ever make physical contact with my students. It is sad, but the way the world seems to be these days.

rosenthd: As a guy in my late 20's that teaches middle school, I am conscience

It starts with a friendly pat on the head but soon head patting isn't enough and the teacher moves on to shoulder rubs. Before you know it, the teacher is having sex with underage kids.

Head patting is the gateway to child sexual abuse.

...and the wussification of america continues.

/what about that creepy middle school teacher i had that once played with my hair and adjusted my sweatshirt?
//not kidding.

*sighs*

idiots. and you wonder why people aren't becoming teachers. between snafus like this and the low pay, why would anyone want to?

Yes, but was it a pat on the head with his cock?

/Knows the teacher is a woman, question still stands

The problem isn't the school, it's the fact that 0.1% of parents see a pat on the head as $$$$$ after they sue the school. Jail idiots who sue schools because little Timmy fell on the playground pavement, or the teacher patted him on the head, and watch idiocy like this stop.

smooshie: The problem isn't the school, it's the fact that 0.1% of parents see a pat on the head as $$$$$ after they sue the school. Jail idiots who sue schools because little Timmy fell on the playground pavement, or the teacher patted him on the head, and watch idiocy like this stop.

I have a friend who teaches music K-5, but also is involved in an "early intervention" program for difficult kids. She would agree - not only are parents uninvolved, many will pounce on any opportunity to turn a profit on their kids. It's disgusting. Between the ridiculous emphasis on standardized tests, teachers unions, and parents like that, I don't know how the public school system can survive. It's virtually worthless now.

rosenthd: a guy in my late 20's that teaches middle school,

"who" teaches, "that" is for objects

anonymousgirl: ...and the wussification of america continues.

Oh yeah, I had a math teacher who wore his old class ring and would whack you with a hard backhand to the top of the head for 'not doing as well as you should'.

kronicfeld: rosenthd: As a guy in my late 20's that teaches middle school, I am conscience

bessyglass: rosenthd: a guy in my late 20's that teaches middle school,

"who" teaches, "that" is for objects

Probably why he doesn't teach english.

You pat dogs on the head.
You kick children in the butt.

This won't go away until there are cameras in every classroom to provide accurate testimony, because it's a proven fact that children are inaccurate witnesses.

It's too bad that'll never happen; teachers' unions will fight it to the death because the cameras will make all teachers accountable for every moment they spend in the classroom. Guess we're stuck.

So next time a kid falls over and hurts himself, the teacher just gets to shout "Walk it off!" at a distance of 100 feet?

Ah, the good ol' days when some wiseass made a crack in algebra and promptly got the back of his head smacked hard by a rather large math book for opening his mouth by our teacher

/sigh... miss 'em

rosenthd [TotalFark] Quote 2008-01-05 12:44:44 PM
As a guy in my late 20's that teaches middle school, I am conscience to not ever make physical contact with my students. It is sad, but the way the world seems to be these days.


Agreed! Scary to have your behavior limited by a litigious society.

A lawsuit crazy society can be equally if not worse detriment to personal freedom. Big Brother by the People.

bessyglass

rosenthd: a guy in my late 20's that teaches middle school,

"who" teaches, "that" is for objects

No, not really.

How long until inspiring students becomes a crime?

Just sayin'.

What a rational response by police and school administrators. Good thing the teacher wasn't carrying a concealed steak knife in his lunch bag or they may have had to deploy the local SWAT team.

goethe_helen_hunt: So next time a kid falls over and hurts himself, the teacher just gets to shout "Walk it off!" at a distance of 100 feet?

If a kid falls down, the first thing to do is to call your lawyer. The snowflake's parent is going to sue you for allowing them to fall, and for not having proper safety-padding on the floor under them when they landed.

Even if we encourage smart people to start farking more they're never going to out-breed the stupid in this country.
We're going to need to just start killing people off.

In Ithaca, NY - I have WITNESSED children being taught, that if ANYONE touches you in ANY way that you don't like - that this is to be called sexual harrassment and reported immediately. This includes a teacher's hand on the shoulder, pat on the head- or a first grade boy teasing a girl, where someone (as 6 year olds do) may pull on someone's hair.

American society is running rampantly out of control with type of farking shiat. This needs to end fast, or we will all be toast.

I teach in the middle schools. It IS that bad.

My classroom rule is that class is not dismissed by the bell, but by me. In order to be dismised, the whole class has to be seated and quiet, then I say they can go. Last month, one transfer student didn't see it that way. He's up and charging the door at the first peal of the bell. Too bad I'm standing in the door way. I purposefully runs into me, then jumps back, yelling "Hey! You can't touch me!"

Fortunately, almost the entire class yelled at him, "He didn't, you ran into him. Now sit down, fool, so we can go!"

Wait until they find out about the coaches patting them on the butt.

rosenthd: As a guy in my late 20's that teaches middle school, I am conscience to not ever make physical contact with my students. It is sad, but the way the world seems to be these days.

I could not do it
//also my girlfriend is one of these types of parents whom think her little snowflake can do no wrong and blames teachers for his fark-ups or her bad parenting
//hope she's not lurking here

somewhere there is a 12 year-old Muslim boy who can live off of a handful of rice a day and field-strip an AK47 blindfolded. he's looking forward to a boat ride to America on a Chinese military transport.

farked we are.

A teacher at my old school last year was fired for putting his hand on a girl's shoulder. He was considered "OMG!!!11 HE IS OLD SO HE MUST BE TEH CREEPYZ!!11" anyway, but still, it was just stupid.

drjekel_mrhyde: //also my girlfriend is one of these types of parents whom think her little snowflake can do no wrong and blames teachers for his fark-ups or her bad parenting

Run. Run fast, run long, and run hard. If that's the way she thinks, no good can come out of that relationship, and your life will be hell. Doesn't matter how good the poon is.

Aulus - by having that rule and enforcing it, you are saying that your power trip is more important than every other class and teacher that your students have to get to after yours.

Get the fark over yourself.

"Kids are notoriously inaccurate. Any sane parent knows that. And yet increasing numbers of parents are not sane."

So True....So True...

Geriac1927 on Youtube speaks of a similar incident in England

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myL0veO2Se0

I got a face full of eraser once for nodding off in class in high school. I didn't fall asleep in that class much after that.

But god forbid something like geting patted on the head should happen.

Come to think of it, didn't the same thing happen in the Simpsons? Marge patted Ralph Wiggum on the head (maybe it was the shoulder), and he started crying, "bad place, bad place!"

i have a friend who's been a teacher for 15 years--started in california but got tired of seeing his students drive to school in cars worth more than he made in a year--

moved back to milwaukee to teach at milwaukee tech--which is basically like teaching in a prison without bars or guards--one of his students came back after summer break with a large scar on his neck--drive by shooting by another gang--had three students take swings at him in class and one try to shove him down the stairs while changing a light bulb on a ladder--was forbidden to touch a student or be sued--

now teaches graphics at WCTC--loves it

kids now are learning that they can say anything about a teacher and they will be believed--usually learned from parents that will always back their "precious little snowflake"--most parents today suck ass

Aulus: My classroom rule is that class is not dismissed by the bell, but by me. In order to be dismised, the whole class has to be seated and quiet, then I say they can go.

Approves:



Our enemy isn't one Caesar, resplendent in the robes of Empire, but rather many small and vicious tyrants.

Sounds more like a case of being a tattle-tale than an overzealous parent. Honestly, if my child told me that she had been hit by a teacher, I'd probably go to the authorities before going to the teacher.

That being said, you really can't trust either the police or the school administrators to act reasonably. Tazers -> police as firings -> administrators.

drjekel_mrhyde

//also my girlfriend is one of these types of parents whom think her little snowflake can do no wrong and blames teachers for his fark-ups or her bad parenting

That's one of the worst attempts at using whom I have ever seen. Please, people, if you don't know when to use whom, just stick with who.

/Also, you should run away from your girlfriend, as InfernalCatfish said.

as a white man, i wouldnt touch a child bleeding to death... have fun kids! thank your parents and their lawyers!

Wombatzu: somewhere there is a 12 year-old Muslim boy who can live off of a handful of rice a day and field-strip an AK47 blindfolded. he's looking forward to a boat ride to America on a Chinese military transport.

farked we are.

This

insert cliche here

Aulus - by having that rule and enforcing it, you are saying that your power trip is more important than every other class and teacher that your students have to get to after yours.

Get the fark over yourself.

I'm as anti-teacher as it gets.

I am agaist paying teachers more money. Not because I think throwing money at a problem is not a good solution (sometimes it is), nor because I think teachers make too much already (some do, most don't), nor because teachers have a fourth of the year off.

Nope, I'm against it because I hate their soul-sucking guts and want them to suffer.

But even I don't think Aulus's rule was unreasonable.

goethe_helen_hunt: So next time a kid falls over and hurts himself, the teacher just gets to shout "Walk it off!" at a distance of 100 feet?

If I were the Teacher, at a distance of 100 feet I would have the parent on the phone. "it appears from where I am standing that your precious snowflake just fell, you may want to come check him/her out"

Aulus:
My classroom rule is that class is not dismissed by the bell, but by me. In order to be dismised, the whole class has to be seated and quiet, then I say they can go. Last month, one transfer student didn't see it that way.



/couldn't resist
//doesn't actually disapprove of your rule

FTFA
Kids are notoriously inaccurate. Any sane parent knows that.

Any parent with more than one kid absolutely knows that. Cross examining your star witness is a basic skill of parenting.

insert cliche here, no, it's pretty much standard with most of the teachers where I teach.

Of course, it's not always possible, such as when I run a bit long or it takes a bit longer than normal to pick up and such. However, it does teach the kids that there are rules and proper conduct. anarchy in the classroom is not acceptable.

madcat407: I got a face full of eraser once for nodding off in class in high school. I didn't fall asleep in that class much after that.

We had a math teacher like that at my high school. Jack had chalk-boards on three walls of his classroom, and would use them all. He was always covered in chalk-dust, and kept stacks of erasers around the room.
If anybody was nodding off, they were courting an eraser to the head.
The dude's aim was uncanny.
Now, of course, they'd arrest him for assault, and call out the haz-mat team to deal with the "unknown white powder." Well, not now because somebody's pwecious widdle snow-fwake was allergic to chalk so the entire school district had to switch to dry-erase whiteboards.

It makes me glad I taught at private schools. That way, I could drake the boa constrictor around the shoulders of sleeping students without getting sued for it.
The looks on those boys faces was priceless.

I just finished my first gig at a high school, choreographing fights in The Scarlet Pimpernel. I can attest to the absolute truth of this.

Stage Combat inherently involves physical contact between both the students and each other, and the student and the teacher. You can't get away from it. I was in there for one day, and an administrator saw me guiding a student through a shoulder roll (involves touching on the lats or shoulder, small of the back, leg, and ankle) and ran up shouting that I couldn't touch the students. When I asked how I was supposed to teach a movement discipline without physical contact, she said that it didn't matter - unless I was able to account for every second of my actions with the students, the school was open to a lawsuit. I still was contractually bound to safely teach the class, however, even though the only way to make it safe is to maintain physical contact with the person performing the technique.

So I cancelled the class for the day, and the next day I brought in two personal camcorders, and spent about two hundred bucks on tape making sure that I was in frame at all times from at least two different angles. Also had to print up releases for the students (had to be signed by both students and parents) that detailed the fact that if they want to participate, they have to consent to being touched and waive any liability of myself and the school, regardless of my intentions behind touching them. This (barely) satisfied the staff, but they wanted to know if I could manage to choreograph in the future without "any contact with students at all".

All in all, it wasn't worth the three grand I got for the gig, and I'll not be working with a high school again without a very lengthy meeting with the staff about this issue. And a lot more money.

/feels bad for teachers.

I teach high school and I still have students who hug me to say hello. When most of them found out I was pregnant a bunch of them want to touch my belly. I keep waiting for the day when one of my admins sees my kids putting their head on my belly and patting the baby....

I'm going to start my student teaching internship on Monday and stories like this do not help. The weird part is that the professors at my college seems to get a sick pleasure by telling us these stories. The worst was one where a male teacher was accused of molesting 2 girls after the girls went to the principal. The teacher was a great teacher and they kept him on for the rest of the school year but his life was hell due to the public looking down on him, his wife leaving him and ridicule from the school and district. He left the district after that year and the two girls eventually told some of their friends that they made everything up and word spread to the administration that he was innocent. However, it was too late to make things better for that gentlemen.

with this bull, school shootings and and people complaining about liberal teachers being the cause of all problems, i picked one heck of a time to become a teacher.

/I originally loved the idea of being a teacher
//Maybe I'll just get my masters in something else...

Which head?

Yeah, I did substitute teaching for some extra dough. This was in the late 80's just out of college. I was asked to do a band class for a few days because of my music background. It was middle school.

Some little 12-13 girl were chatting all friendly with me, and volunteered that the teacher was out due to a sexual harassment claim. I have no idea on where that eventually settled. Anyhow, later one of the girls "jokingly" said that if I made things too difficult for them she might would claim I was harassing her. I believe she thought she was being funny with no actual intent. I waited until lunch. I went right to administration, and told them what had transpired, and left for the day, and would not be back. It was the last time I did any substitute teaching.