I'm goin to Boulder with my knock-off frisbee... ne1 up for some Ultimate?

My hometown, Jefferson City, MO, for years was able to prevent strip clubs and alcohol-only establishments from popping up inside city limits. One of my old neighbors, just outside city limits, got his property zoned commercial so he could sell Amway out of his garage. Fast forward a few years, Amway dude dies, then an enterprising gent buys the house, builds a butler building in the back, and opens a bar. Because it's zoned commercial and outside city limits, all the city council can do is fume. A few months later, the bar began to offer nude entertainment on Fridays and Saturdays. Again, all the city council can do is fume. Hah!

Inside city limits? Nitro is smack in the middle of downtown. Sure it's in an alley but it's literally a stone's throw from the mall.

niiiiiiiiiiiiiiice.

Now that's a headline I could take to the lavatory!

I love it when petty little dictators get their asses handed to them.

Boulder sounds about like Asheville.

Fraggler
Inside city limits? Nitro is smack in the middle of downtown. Sure it's in an alley but it's literally a stone's throw from the mall.

The two cities I've called home in the last 5 years, Denver and Seattle, both have a strip club in a downtown retail/tourist/hotel district. Booze in Denver, full-nude/no booze in Seattle. Neither is a source of problems.

Boulder will be fine.

Wow, from this article, Boulder sounds like the frivolous-ordinance capital of the world. If only they had someone like Joe Arpaio who'd be crazy enough to try and enforce all that BS.

Boulder really needs to make a law about maximum levels of narcotic substabces in the air, and have "clean air action days" where citizens are asked to help with the air pollution problem by only smoking two joints instead of six.

/what a crappy town it was

Good. maybe them jackholes should do something useful

amo: My hometown, Jefferson City, MO, for years was able to prevent strip clubs and alcohol-only establishments from popping up inside city limits. One of my old neighbors, just outside city limits, got his property zoned commercial so he could sell Amway out of his garage. Fast forward a few years, Amway dude dies, then an enterprising gent buys the house, builds a butler building in the back, and opens a bar. Because it's zoned commercial and outside city limits, all the city council can do is fume. A few months later, the bar began to offer nude entertainment on Fridays and Saturdays. Again, all the city council can do is fume. Hah!

That wouldn't be the one at the foot of the MO. River bridge, would it? Or is it the one in Apache Flats...

What. No "Hero" tag?

We have a few of those in my city and they are awesome! BYOB strip-joints are great because they are not hindered by all of the restrictions that regulated licensed clubs are subject to. They encourage you to bring a case of beer, they will keep it on ice for you, or better yet, bring you own cooler full of beer. The girls can dance naked, no need for pasties or anything. There is a 5 dollar cover charge, big deal, considering how much you are saving on drinks. I never go to regular-old strip clubs anymore where you pay 6 dollars for a beer and the chicks have attitudes. I get my buds together, load up a cooler and go and have a great time, for a fraction of the price.

recent office mention:

'$20 set-up'

guys: nodding

women: what?

FTA: "He told reporters that customers can pay $495 a year and an additional $45 a month to sit in a private area where they will drink alcohol that they must bring in themselves."

Why would anyone pay that kind of money when they can drive down the road to Denver and go to one of many strip clubs and just pay a cover charge?

Boulder sounds even worse than Chapel Hill.

I thought Boulder was a city run by liberals. Why are they taking all of these freedoms away from the citizens?

FTA: One board member said he voted no because the stage the dancers were to dance on was too small. You can believe him if you want to.

I'm going to say that this board member is most likely gay. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Being from Tampa, FL, home of Joe Redner, I can say that a concentration of strip clubs does cause some problems. The cops are there a lot.

If they are "higher quality" clubs, this is less so, because the owners provide better security and the costs prohibit at least some of the problem clientele (certainly not all, because not all people with money are strangers to the law and not all poorer people are criminals).

It has been my observation that most guys who spend a lot of time in strip clubs are pretty socially maladjusted particularly where women are concerned. Sure you have your lookie loo frat boys and other people on the fringe of the customer base, but your regular visitors tend to be pretty socially incapable.

I am not for necessarily outlawing these places, but I am suspicious of owners who want to set up shop where they are clearly not wanted by the majority. That is being just as much of an asshat as the prudish moral warriors (or pandering politicians of your local city councils).

If the place is run cleanly and can stay out of trouble, then there is no problem, but this is not the case in a lot of instances unless the owners really take a proactive approach to running their establishment.

I lived in Boulder for years before I realized what the Bustop really was. People kept asking if I went there and I always said, why the hell would I, I own a car?

While McGrath concedes that Cobb's actions appear to be legal, he said the club's opening begs "the question of, 'Do we as a community think that a downtown location for a strip bar is appropriate?'
If the business makes enough money to stay open, the answer is yes.

I enjoy living in Vegas, where the residents and the city council rarely (if ever) get a bug up their asses about strip clubs, porn shops, and booze consumption. I don't think it ought to be the government's right to decide where, when, and how these things are appropriate for adult citizens to enjoy.

Some puritanical types may cast an evil eye, believing that such things corrupt innocent souls. But in this valley of 2 million people there are plenty of families with kids, and they don't grow up to be any more evil or messed up than kids in any other city in America.

Capt.Kirk:We have a few of those in my city and they are awesome! BYOB strip-joints are great because they are not hindered by all of the restrictions that regulated licensed clubs are subject to. They encourage you to bring a case of beer, they will keep it on ice for you, or better yet, bring you own cooler full of beer. The girls can dance naked, no need for pasties or anything. There is a 5 dollar cover charge, big deal, considering how much you are saving on drinks. I never go to regular-old strip clubs anymore where you pay 6 dollars for a beer and the chicks have attitudes. I get my buds together, load up a cooler and go and have a great time, for a fraction of the price.

This! This! 1000x, this!

Also,


Would definitely NOT hit it.

/bet she has really sharp knees
//no really
///she's ugly

Sounds like people who live there are just stupid to let this crap go on. (The dumb rules, that is.)

czarangelus: Tyee: I thought Boulder was a city run by liberals. Why are they taking all of these freedoms away from the citizens?

There's no such thing as a liberal/conservative divide in this country. It's a talk radio bugaboo. The real divide is between authoritarians and libertarians, and the authoritarians are winning.

THIS!!!!!!

There are, however, Social authoritarians and Corporate authoritarians. And the rest of libertarians trying our darndest to throw off the yoke

Tyee: I thought Boulder was a city run by liberals. Why are they taking all of these freedoms away from the citizens?

Real liberals, according to the dictionary, are for more freedom. The current crop are liberals in name only, and are all about tighter and tighter regulation of all areas of life.

Just like the current crop of "conservatives".

FTA: No longer do you "own" a pet. Now you are its guardian.

Wow. That's sad.

Tyee "I thought Boulder was a city run by liberals. Why are they taking all of these freedoms away from the citizens?'

Because they "know" what's best for you, citizen, and aren't afraid to enforce it.

/quack, quack

czarangelus: The real divide is between authoritarians and libertarians, and the authoritarians are winning.

Thanks for clearing that up for me. That explains why everyone in Boulder city government has an (A) behind there name instead of a (D).

Own a pet in Boulder? Think again. A few years ago, the city changed all references in its ordinances concerning animal ownership. No longer do you "own" a pet. Now you are its guardian.


Clouseau: It is against the leu. You play that thing and people give you the muhnay.

Beggar: People give the monkey the money.

Clouseau: It is the same.

Beggar: Oh, no. I am a musician and the monkey is a businessman. He doesn't tell me what to play, and I don't tel him what to do with his money. One day I came home and I found him sitting in my living room. I let him stay, but he pays for his own room and board.

spaceherpie: That wouldn't be the one at the foot of the MO. River bridge, would it? Or is it the one in Apache Flats...

I'm talking about one in Apache Flats. I hadn't heard about anything at the foot of the bridge. Is that on the north side?

idrow (?)

Doeas your mehnkee bite?

Sounds like he slipped one past the Nanny-staters.

This one's smut-fu is strong.

amo: spaceherpie: That wouldn't be the one at the foot of the MO. River bridge, would it? Or is it the one in Apache Flats...

I'm talking about one in Apache Flats. I hadn't heard about anything at the foot of the bridge. Is that on the north side?

South side...the name escapes me but it is some kind of "Gentleman's" Club...no windows...over by the tracks.

czarangelus: There's no such thing as a liberal/conservative divide in this country. It's a talk radio bugaboo. The real divide is between authoritarians and libertarians, and the authoritarians are winning.

Howdy and welcome back, czar! I thought you'd left us.

The authoritarians have been winning for some time now, by using crap buzz phrases like "it's for the children", "family values", "public safety", and recently "national security" to shame and scare people into giving up their liberty. And they do it one little piece at a time.

Only recently have people started waking up in larger numbers to what's going on.

iaazathot: I am not for necessarily outlawing these places, but I am suspicious of owners who want to set up shop where they are clearly not wanted by the majority. That is being just as much of an asshat as the prudish moral warriors (or pandering politicians of your local city councils).

Where could a strip club possibly set up in a spot where it is wanted by "the majority" of people? Even the Glitter Gulch strip club, on the busy Fremont street in downtown Las Vegas, sits among a variety of businesses, casinos, hotels, and street vendors, and is passed by thousands of people every day. Only 100 or 200 patrons may stop in, clearly a very small minority.

How do you propose a club owner would go about determining whether a majority (over 50%) of the populous approves of his location? And why should this be a burden just on strip club owners? There have been many cases where the majority of a town objected to Wal-Mart coming in, but Wal-Mart opened up a store anyway, over all of their objections.

first time i saw the door for club nitro (well, the fake door actually on pearl st.--downtown), i was eating at the restaurant "B.Js" and while we went down the alley to see the actual place, we saw the whitiest trash possible coming toward the place. i know boulder needs diversity and all, but i kinda like the place without Whitey McNoTeeth walkin around, ya know?

just my opinion...

czarangelus: As opposed to (R)s, who want to decide who what sex we can marry, how we're allowed to have sex, what we can drink, while the (D's) decide where you can smoke, what you can eat, and scream and wet themselves when a child draws a stick figure holding a gun in a classroom.

Cleaned that up a bit for you.

who wants to pass pole dancers on the way to buy 500-thread count baby sheets


Raises hand.

Vegas doesn't have government meddling in strip clubs????

Just look--it's all either topless/alcohol or full nude/no alcohol. The only full-nude/alcohol club is grandfathered.

Hey, y'all. Did no one read this post by Epsilon?

Epsilon 2008-01-05 02:49:14 PM
I enjoy living in Vegas, where the residents and the city council rarely (if ever) get a bug up their asses about strip clubs, porn shops, and booze consumption. I don't think it ought to be the government's right to decide where, when, and how these things are appropriate for adult citizens to enjoy.

Some puritanical types may cast an evil eye, believing that such things corrupt innocent souls. But in this valley of 2 million people there are plenty of families with kids, and they don't grow up to be any more evil or messed up than kids in any other city in America.

The WINNAH !!!

phillydrifter



She reminds me of the chick who starred in that 80s music infomerical with Rick Springfield. What was her name. (schwing)

Trust me, you get used to it. There's plenty of strip joints in downtown Toronto where I used to live. My first year there I found it kind of gross that I would routinely have to walk past pictures of women in g-strings with flesh coloured stickers over their nips, or neon signs of women bending over, just to get a cup of coffee. But after a few months, I just got used to it.

I always stay in the Delta Chelsea when I'm back in Toronto on business. It's right by the main downtown mall and you get a great view of the Zanzabar joint. I get a bit of a chuckle out watching the people go in and out, but it certainly doesn't bother me.

czarangelus

Tyee: Thanks for clearing that up for me. That explains why everyone in Boulder city government has an (A) behind there name instead of a (D).

As opposed to (R)s, who want to decide who we can marry, when and how we're allowed to have sex, what we can drink, smoke, and eat, and scream and wet themselves when a child draws a stick figure holding a gun in a classroom.

Oh please. The "liberals" have been the pinnacle of authoritarianism in this country since the days of FDR.

There's a club in San Diego called the "Body Shop". Lost it's liquor license about 40 years ago. Turns out, ALL of the city regulations on strip clubs were tied to the liquor license! So, in a city with thousands of servicemen who are too young to drink anyway ...

But this time around, Cobb outsmarted the city's system. He didn't need an alcohol license because the club will not sell booze. He told reporters that customers can pay $495 a year and an additional $45 a month to sit in a private area where they will drink alcohol that they must bring in themselves. This area, a nod to overcoming government prohibition, is appropriately called the "The Speakeasy."


A strip club where you can bring your own alchohol in? Oh man, that's farkin sweet. If I lived in Boulder, I'd be frequenting that joint.

Nothing is more pathetic than a strip club that doesn't sell alchohol, like Washington State.

Since this thread has gone political, I'll throw in my two cents. High school civics books will tell you that, generally, the modern Democratic party is in favor of more regulations and services -- 'big government' -- to better aid and serve the people, while the modern Republican party is in favor of fewer regulations and services -- 'small government' -- in accordance with the philosophy that people can shift for themselves pretty well with less supervision. The problem, as I see it, is that political correctness and religious/moralistic forces have blurred the line between the two, to the point of bland contradiction and sameness. At this point, you're probably better off voting for whomever seems to be less of a dick, rather than trying to sort through muddled party doctrine.

/just opinion
//like every other post

The Grinch: Since this thread has gone political, I'll throw in my two cents. High school civics books will tell you that, generally, the modern Democratic party is in favor of more regulations and services -- 'big government' -- to better aid and serve the people, while the modern Republican party is in favor of fewer regulations and services -- 'small government' -- in accordance with the philosophy that people can shift for themselves pretty well with less supervision. The problem, as I see it, is that political correctness and religious/moralistic forces have blurred the line between the two, to the point of bland contradiction and sameness. At this point, you're probably better off voting for whomever seems to be less of a dick, rather than trying to sort through muddled party doctrine.

/just opinion
//like every other post

This
I owe you a beer

FTA: No longer do you "own" a pet. Now you are its guardian.



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