kntgsp: All I can say is if Huckabee wins the presidential election, I'm moving to another country.

You make a compelling argument although I am pretty sure he won't even be the nominee.

Damned tag.

A pastor who pushed to have a rapist released from prison over the objections of the parole board and the victim does not sound to me like a good president.


bonus: the released rapist, a member of Huckabee's church, then went on to murder 2 women.

Thats your president Huckabee. You want him?

kntgsp: All I can say is if Huckabee wins the presidential election, I'm moving to another country.

I think i'll stick around and sell guns, whiskey and bootleg MP3 files to the resistance AND the Federals.

My headline:

If Wyoming held a caucus and no one was there to hear it, would it make a sound?

Afternoon_Delight

Wow, you're quite prolific today. How about a "liberal hate" line for old times sake?

True, Wyoming gets no love, but this needs to be repeated. Wyoming had its precinct caucuses last month. The delegates who won in each precinct are voting today for the primary. There are like 24 total people voting today, these people probably can't be influences very heavily from what they plan on voting already, but I guess its possible.

Sorry no 24 total delegates are going to come out of todays process. I don't know how many people who are precinct delegates who are voting today. Not many I assume.

I wonder if its legal or ethical to try to influence these guys votes?

All I know is that Giuliani needs to be stopped now, before I have to watch any more of his pandering, fear mongering TV ads.

"ZOMGWTF, WE'RE ALL GOING TO FARKING DIE! TERROR! 9/11! 9/11!111!!!one! (with appropriate apocalyptic imagery)...Vote Giuliani, '08 OR PERISH!!

Generation_D: A pastor who pushed to have a rapist released from prison over the objections of the parole board and the victim does not sound to me like a good president.


Well he did pardon Keith Richards.

I have seriously no Idea why the Republicans even make the attempt to run for the oval office. They had 8 years and a subservient Congress to put into law every command they wanted. In Return more Americans died, Our Nations respect has turned to shiat, our dollar is pathetic to the point where Canadians are buying American homes because its such a bargain for them.

I mean my God, just forfeit and let the Democrats run their 4 years, and if it turns out worse than the last 8 years (and it would be hard to imagine how) then you guys can make a fair run for it.

These Republican candidates efforts while noble, is so apparent and painfully futile. Why Bother.

If I was religious, I'd be praying that Huckabee doesn't get the nomination.

(weird....)

New Hampshire will be crazy. The polls predicted Iowa fairly accurately (much to my surprise), and a lot of people will be shocked if they hold up again. Here's the latest Rasmussen poll-

31% McCain
26% Romney
14% Paul
11% Huckabee
8% Giuliani
5% Thompson

I've heard that New Hampshire's voters are over 40% independent, so that might account for Paul and McCain's high showing.

It'll be a fun one, thats for sure.

pvd021:

These Republican candidates efforts while noble, is so apparent and painfully futile. Why Bother.

Because democrats have a history of tripping over their own shoestrings in presidential elections. They could have won in 2000, but put up Gore. They certainly could have won in 2004, but put up Kerry. Will you lose again in 2008 by putting up Clinton? That's what the Republicans are hoping for.

Jaykzo:
I've heard that New Hampshire's voters are over 40% independent, so that might account for Paul and McCain's high showing.

It'll be a fun one, thats for sure.

The non-GOP types are rallying for Obama. He's getting HUGE crowds.

Wyoming, who?

Blacklight: They could have won in 2000, but put up Gore

*cough*Goredidwin*cough*

Sorry, couldn't resist. Who else should they have nominated though, besides the VP of a popular outgoing president? I do agree that Kerry was sort of pathetic but I don't know if anyone could have beat Bush's (I farked everything up so badly that changing leaderships in the middle of my cluster fark would be even worse) campaign strategy.

If the dems fark it up this time though, then we should just switch to a one party system.

New push poll

If you knew that Huckabee sacrificed babies to satan while having buttsex with afternoon_delight would that lower your opinion of him?

/ note I didn't claim any of the above were true.

Mugato:

If the dems fark it up this time though, then we should just switch to a one party system.

Regardless of the result you will se we already have a one party system.

bmongar:
If you knew that Huckabee sacrificed babies to satan while having buttsex with afternoon_delight would that lower your opinion of him?


I thought Huckabee was an Ignore-anus.

I don't see anyone in the current field of candidates that represents my interests. Some come closer to than others mind you...but they're not realisticaly going to get the nomination. I think this is the first presidential election cycle in my life where I feel entirely disconnected from the political process. Absolutely nothing I say or do will have any effect on the final outcome.

I voted for Kerry before I voted against him in 2004.

Oddly enough, the determining fight here may be Obama vs McCain over the independents.

Mugato: *cough*Goredidwin*cough*

This thread has been Goredidwined.

KramericaWallet: Oddly enough, the determining fight here may be Obama vs McCain over the independents.

My bet is on Obama, honestly who wants a 73-year-old leading the nation. Name one time you would want a geezer doing anything but be a wal mart greeter. Obama is young, charismatic, sane, moderate, and dammit, the man can speak. Those speeches are just farking fabulous.

SeismicJizzer: Obama is young, charismatic, sane, moderate, and dammit, the man can speak. Those speeches are just farking fabulous.

Which is precisely why the 'old guard' will sabotage him if/when they get the chance. Obama could really shake things up, disturb the status quo. Nobody in D.C. wants change. Nobody. They want things to keep going exactly as they are.

Afternoon_Delight: SeismicJizzer: Those speeches are just farking fabulous.


What does he say?

You should be able to find them posted up on youtube.

Afternoon_Delight: SeismicJizzer: Those speeches are just farking fabulous.

Afternoon_Delight: What does he say?

Weaver95: You should be able to find them posted up on youtube.


I was hoping the adoring fans could sum it up.

I was hoping you would go read/view the source material for yourself, then make up your mind based on the merits of your investigation.

Weaver95: Which is precisely why the 'old guard' will sabotage him if/when they get the chance. Obama could really shake things up, disturb the status quo. Nobody in D.C. wants change. Nobody. They want things to keep going exactly as they are.

Many of the democratic supergelegates have pledged their votes to Hillary. I think that's how they'll sink him.

POAC: Weaver95: Which is precisely why the 'old guard' will sabotage him if/when they get the chance. Obama could really shake things up, disturb the status quo. Nobody in D.C. wants change. Nobody. They want things to keep going exactly as they are.

Many of the democratic supergelegates have pledged their votes to Hillary. I think that's how they'll sink him.

It could be that Obama wins the popular vote and Hillary gets the electoral college. THAT would be interesting to see happen.

Weaver95: It could be that Obama wins the popular vote and Hillary gets the electoral college. THAT would be interesting to see happen.

Do those actually matter for the primaries? I'm a little ignorant of how the primary process works once you get past the state level.

Weaver95: POAC: Weaver95: Which is precisely why the 'old guard' will sabotage him if/when they get the chance. Obama could really shake things up, disturb the status quo. Nobody in D.C. wants change. Nobody. They want things to keep going exactly as they are.

Many of the democratic supergelegates have pledged their votes to Hillary. I think that's how they'll sink him.

It could be that Obama wins the popular vote and Hillary gets the electoral college. THAT would be interesting to see happen.

A) The superdelegates only control 25%. The voters control the other 75%. If Obama cruises through, the last 25% won't matter, and a decent number of them are pledging to Obama anyway.
B) Backroom convention dealing is a thing of the past. No party would dare attempt it today unless there was no clear winner from the primaries, and even then they'd probably go with whoever got the most primary delegates out of sheer terror of what the voters would do to them in November.

Weaver95: It could be that Obama wins the popular vote and Hillary gets the electoral college. THAT would be interesting to see happen.

Super-delegates comprise about 20% of the total, the other 80% are selected by the various states, territories, expatriates, etc etc etc. What you just described is quite unlikely to happen for that reason alone. Gov Dean had a HUGE lead in these super-delegates, which promptly melted away once Dean got his clock cleaned by Senator Kerry. Super-delegates are nice and all, and as an early bellwether of institutional support are also fun to discuss, but once one of the candidates begins running the table, the super-delegates all fall in line.

What Gosling said.

Besides the fact that there is no "popular vote" for the nomination process. We'll never ever find out how many supporters each of the democrats had in Iowa, they only release the delegate count.

Afternoon_Delight: SeismicJizzer: Those speeches are just farking fabulous.

Afternoon_Delight: What does he say?

Weaver95: You should be able to find them posted up on youtube.


I was hoping the adoring fans could sum it up.

To sum his speeches up

"My fellow Americans. As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball, but tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!"

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/default.htm (new window)

I'm not surprised that Romney is leading, it's Mormon territory, apparently.

Obama is a bunch of hype. I wonder how many Obama supporters know that he voted to renew the Patriot Act in 2006 and he isn't exactly anti-war. That said, I'd bite my tongue and pick him over the Hildebeast or Huckabee, if I had to.

A-D

While I don't really support Obama (I'm a Paultard), his website makes his plans pretty clear (with bullet points too!)

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

Subby does not know his geography. Wyoming is NOT a prairie state. It's a Rocky Mountain state. But then again, the Rocky Mountain states get ignored as well.

The full returns

Romney 8
Thompson 3
Hunter 1

There are 2 more to be decided.