"We have to pick a president who is ready on day one," she says, to muted applause from her small contingent. The Obama crowd then waves their signs and begins chanting "Obama! Obama!" while she keeps speaking. It's a tense moment and Clinton seems rattled by it.

Remember those videos of President-for-Life Chauchescu in Romania, when everything started going south for him?

Yeah, it's a lot like that.

Ahh - - sweet, glorious Schadenfreude, baby.

Holy sh*t!

I mean, come ON.

Doesn't *everybody* in the whole world hate Hillary?

How could any Democrat not want to run Obama to WIN, for a change?

Obama at least has a nice family with two little kids and stuff on stage with him.

Hillary had her husband's Addams Family-level creepy old *cabinet* on stage last night. Jesus what a trainwreck.

DarthBrooks: Hillary had her husband's Addams Family-level creepy old *cabinet* on stage last night. Jesus what a trainwreck.

You noticed that too?

I'm honestly a big fan of Madeline Albright for what she did for Eastern Europe, with the help of the U.S. military. But, wow. That looked so badly staged. Whoever set that up should just be fired right now. I thought I entered a time-rift.

NewportBarGuy: Whoever set that up should just be fired right now. I thought I entered a time-rift.

You *know* Hillary spent all day yesterday with her steel-toed pedal pushers on, kicking Bill right in Monica's toothbrush. You can smell the flop-sweat coming off that crowd.

Lord, 99 counties and NONE of them went her way. That's the definition of FAIL. And she's probably at the self-deception/bargaining stage of denial where she can NOT quit after NH is over. She's going to hang on until SC and Michigan finish up. Lots of painful "rallies" ahead.

DarthBrooks: Doesn't *everybody* in the whole world hate Hillary?

Everyone except for "conservatives" who are banking on her nomination.

And we're green! Good jorb, Subby

sigdiamond2000: Everyone except for "conservatives" who are banking on her nomination.

They banked everything on running against her. Think of the quotes, pictures, vids. They were ready for her on every angle.

Now, this is 2008 America. You want to piss off the the moderates and Independents? Try to run that same campaign against a minority who is intelligent, has a solid family, and preaches optimism. You can do that against Hillary, because, think of the hatred? Against Obama? Loads of blowback.

Hillary is going to find out what being left at the alter feels like. She's done. No sane person who wants at least some semblance of change will vote for her. "Ready to lead"? F*ck that shiat. Jack Kennedy was about as prepared for the Cuban Missile Crisis as Mitt Romney patronizing a whorehouse. Yet, we're all still alive. Obama will do just fine, thank you very much.

He's inexperienced being whored to by the status quo!?! My god! The horror! Yeah, that's what most of us want.

Don't piss off the independents, when we vote, we vote for change. ANY change!

I think Biden cleared out fast because he's figuring on a VP slot.

No way in hell would Obama pick up Clinton or Kucinich as a running mate. He wants to *win*, and to do that he needs to show he can pick someone with a lot of experience -- AND not a lot of crazy -- to be President of the Senate. Biden makes the most sense in expressing that.

NewportBarGuy: Yeah, that's what most of us want.

Most of you know exactly jack squat about Obama or any other national level candidate. You just feel special for trying to be edgy and hip. Think.

Spad31: Most of you know exactly jack squat about Obama or any other national level candidate. You just feel special for trying to be edgy and hip. Think.

You're right. I'm going to vote for Fred Thompson just so I can feel like the opposite of edgy and hip.

The polls still show Clinton with at least a small lead in NH, and in some cases a large lead. And she's polling even better in the other states -- she could lose NH, too, and still have the nomination locked up on Super Tuesday.

If Obama is going to get the nomination, he's probably going to have to win NH, at the very least come close to Clinton, and perhaps even win decisively again. Iowa was awesome, but a large part of that result had to be from Richardson, Biden and Kucinich encouraging their supporters to throw their second-choice votes to Obama. That won't happen in NH.

If Clinton wins by a clear margin on Tuesday, it really will look inevitable again that she'll be the nominee, and Obama will have very little time to break that perception in the other primaries. I certainly hope that he can pull this off, but I wouldn't count any chickens yet.

Spad31: Most of you know exactly jack squat about Obama or any other national level candidate. You just feel special for trying to be edgy and hip. Think.

Search the politics tab. I've been hoping for this for a long time. I'm not exactly silent about it. His new broad-based appeal just confirms my hope.

I know about Obama. He has the balls to run for office in a time where everything you've ever done since kindergarten comes under scrutiny and he passed the test. Works for me.

When Republican Senator Chuck Grassley has nice things to say about Obama working together with both parties to find consensus, yeah, that throws any "time in office" bullsh*t out the window for me.

Okay, NewportarGuy, that came out sounding a little harsher than it was supposed to. Sorry, Bro. My point was most folks who like to get spun up and spout about presidential candidates know nothing about them. The real person behind the candidate mask is not who anyone would ever vote for. They're liars, cheats and we let them have power over us. Silliness. National level politics aren't even worth looking into; we don't have a voice. Get involved at the local level.

And I spelled your name wrong. I am full of fail.

/buys round for thread and staggers away!

Larry Mahnken: If Clinton wins by a clear margin on Tuesday, it really will look inevitable again that she'll be the nominee, and Obama will have very little time to break that perception in the other primaries. I certainly hope that he can pull this off, but I wouldn't count any chickens yet.

Did you RTFA? Hillary is *cratering* among the Democratic (ie, primary voting) faithful.

The cannonball has gone through her wheelhouse. She's taking on water with all her hatches dogged. Herbert Morrison should be covering this story. The biggest long-shot Louis at Hialeah wouldn't put a fin on her fate now. Most people would rather be the sole witness at a Mafia slaying than admit to being part of her campaign organization. Get out the Crayola marked "Done". Check please. Roll the credits and house lights up.

DarthBrooks: Most people would rather be the sole witness at a Mafia slaying than admit to being part of her campaign organization.

Put a smile on my face.

DarthBrooks: Did you RTFA?

Consider the source. Writers often slant their descriptions of events to help sell the story they're trying to write.

Regardless, it's not surprising that Clinton's supporters would be subdued and the supporters of Obama and Edwards enthusiastic. Regardless of polling, Thursday was a bad night for Clinton, no doubt about that.

But still, polling DOES indicate a substantial lead for Clinton in New Hampshire, and unless Obama gets all the undecideds from those polls, things are going to have to change in the next few days for Clinton to not leave New Hampshire with a win.

Again, I really hope nobody here thinks that I'm not an Obama supporter because I'm saying that Clinton is not only still alive, but still the likely nominee. I'll vote for her if she's nominated, but I really, really, REALLY want Obama.

She never had my vote.

Larry Mahnken: But still, polling DOES indicate a substantial lead for Clinton in New Hampshire, and unless Obama gets all the undecideds from those polls, things are going to have to change in the next few days for Clinton to not leave New Hampshire with a win.

That's just it - - the polling is *days* old, not post-Iowa.

With Obama's win, he not only gains people who want to jump on the bandwagon in NH, but he also *pulls* people away from the campaigns of those who were going to vote for Edwards and Clinton.

Understand the sheer frustration of Democratic voters - Obama is the first glimmer of a *winnable* election cycle. Clinton is just lipstick on a pig.

Larry Mahnken: I'll vote for her if she's nominated, but I really, really, REALLY want Obama.

So then why the fark would you vote for her? Christ! You're not obligated to pull the lever. So what if someone says she's the nominee? You think she gives one single fark about you? Vote for the person you want. I think you probably know squat about him, but, if you've thought about it and believe it, vote smartly. Voting your conscience is not a bad thing; voting your party and their shill is.

Spad31: So then why the fark would you vote for her? Christ! You're not obligated to pull the lever. So what if someone says she's the nominee? You think she gives one single fark about you? Vote for the person you want. I think you probably know squat about him, but, if you've thought about it and believe it, vote smartly. Voting your conscience is not a bad thing; voting your party and their shill is.

Are you an idiot? You talk about how we don't know about Obama, but then you make broad assumptions about me and you know NOTHING about me.

I would vote for Clinton because I would actually want her to win. This wouldn't be the "close your eyes and hold your nose vote", I would be happy to see Hillary Clinton as president. I would prefer to see Obama. But he would not be on the ballot.

I have the right to write in a name. Super. I'd prefer to cast my vote for a candidate I like who is actually running.

Son of God: They should get their facts right. I'm not trusting an article with two mistakes in the first sentence. It's the Hampshire Dome, no "New" and I'm almost 99% sure that it is not the biggest indoor arena in the state. It's mostly just a indoor track and field, about 100,000 square feet. The Verizon Wireless Arena is almost three times that large, I think.

Not to mention that my mother was there, I spoke with her about it, and I know she would have mentioned if Hillary had actually been booed and had Obama's name shouted during her speech.

It's a neo-conservative writer in a neo-conservative magazine. They may have trouble beating Obama, but at this point their agenda is to hurt Hillary.

Larry Mahnken: Are you an idiot? You talk about how we don't know about Obama, but then you make broad assumptions about me and you know NOTHING about me.

Nope. know nothing about you. All good. The fact you would vote for either of them speaks volumes, however.

/Buys round for Larry

Darth Brooks:

You *know* Hillary spent all day yesterday with her steel-toed pedal pushers on, kicking Bill right in Monica's toothbrush. You can smell the flop-sweat coming off that crowd.

Most people would rather be the sole witness at a Mafia slaying than admit to being part of her campaign organization.

Clinton is just lipstick on a pig.

So much good there. You, dear sir, are rolling. But, my favorite of all is this:

I think Biden cleared out fast because he's figuring on a VP slot.

I hope so. Secretary of State, at the very least.

DarthBrooks: I think Biden cleared out fast because he's figuring on a VP slot.

no way, that needs to go to Feingold.

SilentStrider: DarthBrooks: I think Biden cleared out fast because he's figuring on a VP slot.

no way, that needs to go to Feingold.

Thatd be great, hate to lose him as a senator, but thatd be a damn good ticket.

To start the night, however, we have Howard Dean, who says that America "can't afford a third term of George W. Bush.

Still huffing glue, I see. Yeeeeaaaarrrrggghhhhh!

The two people I absolutely don't want(Hillary and 9/11) are behind so I'm pretty happy.

Of the two I wouldn't mind seeing in, Obama is doing good so far but Paul is out IMO. If it had came down to Obama vs Paul(yes I know it will never happen) I would lean towards paul.

If it comes down to Obama vs and other Republican I'll vote for Obama. If its Hillary against any other Republican I'll vote for the LP candidate again.

I knew I shouldn't have clicked the "Show posts from ignored users" thingie

to respond to A_D in a way, when was it exactly that liberal became such an awful word, yet conservative which is the opposite end of the spectrum is held by both parties as being a paragon of virtue? there are no liberals any more, only moderates and conservatives and so many wonder why the country is slowly veering off to the right like a bus with a bum tire. actually come to think of it, and this really is a come to think of it because i wasn't thinking this when i started typing -- that it started with b.jefferson clinton whom i liked very much at the time, but he was the one that killed the liberal in place of the "moderate" that has less spine than the original democrat because it's always trying to play both sides of the field.

Afternoon_Delight: long rant

So you're saying that you're voting for Edwards?

Afternoon_Delight:

Your vat of vitriol made me giggle.

Quite honestly, I think whoever gets the Democrat ticket will win. The conservatives haven't done enough distancing from G. Walker Bush to score points with voters who take each election one at a time, instead of blindly staying faithful to a certain party.

DarthBrooks: I think Biden cleared out fast because he's figuring on a VP slot.

Strategy in politics? Hooduhthunkit?

Seriously though. Makes sense from Biden's standpoint.

And, I don't recall him as being overly critical of Obama.

So I'm a Republican minded person except I don't hate gays and I think what you do about abortion is your business, although I'm against it personally. I'm like a middle of the road guy that leans right. And I have to say, that the current crop of Republicans are about the biggest collection of dough heads I have ever seen, with a little shout out to McCain. I think if I was voting today, I would vote for Obama. The country needs someone that can speak for the middle. I think we represent most of America.

So I think I'll be showing my "O" face this election.

starsrift: Quite honestly, I think whoever gets the Democrat ticket will win.

I think Edwards or Obama could win. Hillary simply has too much hatred to make it. Polls show that over half the country will not vote for her under any circumstances.

Rodeodoc: So I think I'll be showing my "O" face this election.

Ahah. The Obama campaign needs to take that up as an official slogan - "Show us your 'O' face".

DarthBrooks: The cannonball has gone through her wheelhouse. She's taking on water with all her hatches dogged. Herbert Morrison should be covering this story. The biggest long-shot Louis at Hialeah wouldn't put a fin on her fate now. Most people would rather be the sole witness at a Mafia slaying than admit to being part of her campaign organization. Get out the Crayola marked "Done". Check please. Roll the credits and house lights up.

FTW. Great stuff, Darth.

Afternoon_Delight: B. Hussein Obama

Oh knock that shiat off.

pass_the_bacon: Afternoon_Delight: B. Hussein Obama

Oh knock that shiat off.

That's all they have against him. Pretty sad.

Afternoon_Delight: What are you talking about with the 'solid family', 'intelligent' and 'preaching optimism' BS anyway? What's that sh*t?

The president is Chief Executive of the federal government. Neither Obama or Hillary have any executive experience at all. They've never run anything. On top of that, the President is also Commander in Chief of all United States armed forces.

GW Bush had experience running oil companies into the ground, and he succeeded, indeed, in running the US economy into the ground.

As for being commander in chief, well, again, stunning success in Afghanistan & Iraq, where the résistance is in its last throes or so I'm told!

The only problem for Obama now is that he's going to inherit chimpy's mess, just like Carter inherited Nixon's mess.

Afternoon_Delight: blah blah blah

Dude, you're really starting to look desperate now.

/don't blame ya!
//08ama

Spad31: NewportBarGuy: Yeah, that's what most of us want.

Most of you know exactly jack squat about Obama or any other national level candidate. You just feel special for trying to be edgy and hip. Think.

I haven't picked a candidate to support, but I have spoken with Obama, face-to-face, when he was a brand spankin' new Senator. Sans press or audience. Just essentially sat down and talked to him. My brother's also spoken with him, a lot more than I have. I don't have many bad things to say about the guy, but that doesn't mean I will vote for him, either. Anyway, if there are any 'national level candidates' I know anything about, he's on the list.

/Still undecided.
//Both party-wise, and candidate-wise.

nictamer: That's all they have against him.

What's truly pathetic is the idea that somehow your name can be used against you. Just how does that work?

/Named after 2 apostles, 1 good, the other liked silver.
//Tell me that means anything, go ahead, I could use a laugh.

pass_the_bacon: /Named after 2 apostles, 1 good, the other liked silver.
//Tell me that means anything, go ahead, I could use a laugh.

Truly, truly I say to you that one of your names will betray you.

all this 'black or female' crap, well just remember that we had a female prime minister - it's seriously not worth it, this obama chap seems reasonable

I see New Hampshire like this:

Obama sounds- his supporters sound- like they're out of some evangilical movement. (As opposed to Huckabee, who is ACTUALLY running an evangilical movement.) These kind of things become overwhelming in a hurry if they're not snuffed out fast. Obama looks to have South Carolina ready to fall in line, and if he takes three straight to start, he's the winner. It's over.

So Obama is guaranteed to survive to South Carolina. Everyone else has one simple task: Finish ahead of Obama. Everybody who comes in behind Obama is, in my mind, eliminated. If Obama wins New Hampshire, I'm calling it.

As for the general, yes, the Dems tend to send up bland cesspools of blah. But every so often they manage to find someone charismatic. And when the Dems manage to do that, that candidate tends to clown the Republican. Absolutely curb-stomp him. Obama is clearly charismatic.

In other words, if Obama wins New Hampshire, I'm pretty much ready to give him the oath of office, because I don't see anything particularly difficult in his path after that. (Especially since the GOP field has been thrown into chaos, again, with the new front runner absolutely unacceptable to a large chunk of his party.)

DarthBrooks:
Lord, 99 counties and NONE of them went her way. That's the definition of FAIL. And she's probably at the self-deception/bargaining stage of denial where she can NOT quit after NH is over.

Don't you mean stages of mourning?

Just remember this easy mnemonic device: drink alcohol before doing anal.
denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance.

pass_the_bacon: nictamer: That's all they have against him.

What's truly pathetic is the idea that somehow your name can be used against you. Just how does that work?

/Named after 2 apostles, 1 good, the other liked silver.
//Tell me that means anything, go ahead, I could use a laugh.

St. Bacon was great, but in truth, I wouldn't brag about being named after St. Pass-The.

It's sad to see that there are people out there who still believe in the old politics of us-versus-them.

Please...the phony "can't we all get along" line from the Weekly Standard is about as convincing as Hillary's claim to be a candidate for "change."