It's early, so Hillary will still be in her regeneration chamber.

Thats gotta be a mistake. Obama would be retarded to put himself on a chopping block like that.

keiverarrow: Thats gotta be a mistake. Obama would be retarded to put himself on a chopping block like that.

What chopping block? At this point, I'd say he's the favorite going into any debate.

kmmontandon: What chopping block? At this point, I'd say he's the favorite going into any debate.

Against Bill Clinton? No freaking way!

ecmoRandomNumbers: kmmontandon: What chopping block? At this point, I'd say he's the favorite going into any debate.

Against Bill Clinton? No freaking way!

he wouldn't blow clinton away by any means, but I doubt he would be floored by him either. and unless he was really just completely gob-smacked by bubba, it won't really impress anyone except for the people who were planning on voting for his wife anyway.

I'm thinking misprint, but it might be interesting to watch if it isn't: Bill could whip out his trademark style of entertainingly not answering any question ever, regardless of innocuousness, and Obama could use it as an excuse to clarify his plans and discuss his theories on how a government should be run, as usual.

That's a misprint. If it were true it would be all over the news. Tomorrow there is a Republican debate in New Hampshire.

Besides, exactly how would it benefit Hillary to have her husband debating her opponent? Talk about hiding behind a proverbial skirt...

Since Slick Willie isn't running for anything, what's the point?

No Grammer Nazis on the mispelling of the next President of the United States' name in the headline yet?

Yeah The Dreaded Rear Admiral: No Grammer Nazis on the mispelling of the next President of the United States' name in the headline yet?

Yeah!

Fix it admins, it's spelled Barak Osama, duh.

This is definitely incorrectly labeled. The event listed is going to be a debate between all the remaining Democratic candidates. It's starting at 9, after the Republican debate (starting at 7) is over. They're both being hosted by ABC News/WMUR/Facebook.

The Boston Globe's campaign calendar has it listed correctly.

That being said, if it were actually true it would be one hell of a debate.

That wouldn't be a debate, that would be a personality contest.

Which, when it comes down to it, is the sort of thing Obama has been banking on since the 2004 DNC.

The Dreaded Rear Admiral: No Grammer Nazis on the mispelling of the next President of the United States' name in the headline yet?

They left out HUSSEIN!!!!!!111!11one11!

Go Obama!

Hahaha, Hillary can't do it herself.

From Driving Without Pants's link:

Saturday, Jan. 5, Manchester: Mitt Romney will attend a post-debate rally at Varick's Sports Bar, 24 Depot St., 9:15 p.m.

Major props to any NH farker who tries to buy him a beer, then acts all offended when he won't drink it.

AboveTheStarsOfGod: From Driving Without Pants's link:

Saturday, Jan. 5, Manchester: Mitt Romney will attend a post-debate rally at Varick's Sports Bar, 24 Depot St., 9:15 p.m.

Major props to any NH farker who tries to buy him a beer, then acts all offended when he won't drink it.

Hey that's not cool... we don't all like beer.

Now some nice vodak, on the other hand...

Ace Frehley's Ghost:

Hey that's not cool... we don't all like beer.

Now some nice vodak, on the other hand...

"A nice martini for the sartorial guy with the nice hair! What's that? He's a Mor-what now? Is that code for 'too damn uppity to accept a drink from a common guy?'"

AboveTheStarsOfGod

Someone should buy him a mixed drink made out of beer, vodka, coffee, and Coca-Cola, called a "Heavenly Mother."

I do not know what is funnier, that they think Hill is Bill or they forgot the rest of the democratic field.

In case the Wikipedia article isn't entirely clear on this point, people get excommunicated from the LDS church for talking about the Heavenly Mother, an obscure old piece of Mormon theology that posits that there is a feminine aspect of the Trinity, equivalent to the more commonly known Heavenly Father (which, I guess, makes it a... quadrinity?)

mrexcess: Hahaha, Hillary can't do it herself.



Yeah, but which one is Master, and which one is Blaster.

Grammar Nazis?

It's the subject of the sentence.

I thought it was common courtesy to spell someone's friggin' name correctly. All of the free-spirited subjectivity in the world doesn't alter how the man chooses to spell his own surname.

Aaaaand, of course, kindly correct the last word of my last post to read "first name".

(sigh)

/self-petard-hoisting, while you wait

Churchill2004: That wouldn't be a debate, that would be a personality contest.

Which, when it comes down to it, is the sort of thing Obama has been banking on since the 2004 DNC.

Sorry that the Constitutional scholar and successful legislator is beating the crap out of your vagina inspector. Better luck in a different country, eh?

captainktainer: Sorry that the Constitutional scholar

He lectured on Constitutional law. I'm not saying he doesn't have an impressive academic career, but "Constitutional scholar" is a bit of a stretch.

captainktainer: successful legislator

He was a fairly successful state legislator in Illinois, but that doesn't really have anything to do with being President. His entire Senate career, going all the way back to his DNC speech, has been setting himself up for a Presidential run. That's consisted of doing a lot of important-looking stuff for the cameras, but not much substantive. Certainly not anything that particularly stands out from the other 99 Senators.

Face it- Obama's entire candidacy has been built on his public persona and oratory skills. In the grand scheme of things, Obama, Hillary, and Edwards are interchangeable on the issues. That's why it comes down to crap like who can make the prettier speech and slime the other's personality while succesfully projecting their own. It leads to absurdities like Obama trying to defend his experience as being not only acceptable, but somehow substantive. Absurdities like Hillary Clinton standing with an ex-President and an ex-Secretary of State and proclaiming herself an agent of change.


Make fun of Paul's ability to actually hold a productive job, but at least I can point to the fact that his campaign is driven by substatinive disagreements on the issues with the other candidates, not his own ego (which by all accounts is almost non-existent) and certainly not his own personality or rhetorical abilities (both of which, I'll be the first to admit, are dismal).


Obama isn't "change". He's Hillary's positions wrapped in a prettier package.

There's also this gem-

"There's not much of a difference between my position on Iraq and George Bush's position at this stage"

-Barack Obama, July 2004

That's while he was running for Senate. I don't think it's an unreasonable assumption that his strident anti-war views in 2002 and 2003 (when he represented a mostly anti-war district in the Illinois Senate) might not have been so reliable had he been worried about having to answer to the state as a whole.

Texas's 14th District ain't exactly Jesse Jackson territory, but that didn't stop Ron Paul from speaking out against the war, when he was actually faced with the decision of doing what he knew was right and doing what would have been politically easy. Not to mention actually being faced with the task of making a decision on how to vote in the Congress.

Churchill2004: He was a fairly successful state legislator in Illinois, but that doesn't really have anything to do with being President. His entire Senate career, going all the way back to his DNC speech, has been setting himself up for a Presidential run. That's consisted of doing a lot of important-looking stuff for the cameras, but not much substantive. Certainly not anything that particularly stands out from the other 99 Senators.

Obama-Lugar is about as substantive as you can get, and goes a long way to helping reverse the crap we've pulled on the world. He made waves in the 109th Congress, and was a far more successful legislator than all but a handful of other Senators - this as a freshman Senator. In the 110th, he co-wrote one of the only things this Congress has gotten done - ethics reform. Capitol Advantage ranks him as almost as effective as Hillary Clinton (new window) in each of the years he's been in the Senate - an impressive feat given his lack of seniority compared to her.

Churchill2004: Make fun of Paul's ability to actually hold a productive job

I don't mock his productive job. I mock the fact that people consider a gynecologist from Texas more authoritative on matters pertaining to the Constitution than people who have engaged in rigorous study of the document.

captainktainer: Obama-Lugar is about as substantive as you can get, and goes a long way to helping reverse the crap we've pulled on the world.

It was the international equivalent of a gun-buyback program, based on the absurd premise that AK-47s exist in sufficiently limited numbers that the US can make a significant dent in the numbers available to foreigners.

captainktainer: He made waves in the 109th Congress

Of course, he was busy setting himself up to run for President. Hard to do that if you're just cooling your heels in the Senate. Doesn't mean what he did was particularly impressive when it comes to picking some one to be President.

captainktainer: this as a freshman Senator.

A freshman Senator who'd just coincidentally been picked to deliver a keynote speech at the 2004 DNC, when he was nothing more than an Illinois State Senator and US Senate candidate.

captainktainer: In the 110th, he co-wrote one of the only things this Congress has gotten done - ethics reform.

Yet, remarkably, no one has any doubt that Congress is just as corrupt as ever.

captainktainer: Capitol Advantage ranks him as almost as effective as Hillary Clinton

Another Senator who has spent her entire Congressional career setting herself up to run for President.

captainktainer: an impressive feat given his lack of seniority compared to her.

4 years isn't much in the Senate. There are Senators that hang around the Capitol for decades.

captainktainer: I don't mock his productive job. I mock the fact that people consider a gynecologist from Texas more authoritative on matters pertaining to the Constitution than people who have engaged in rigorous study of the document.

You're assuming that the learning about the Constitution is a linear path that only noted academics can claim to have accomplished. This ignores the fact that the difference between Obama and Paul on the Constitution is not one of knowledge, but one of a fundamental difference of opinion on the nature of the document.

Where duh white womenz at?

Where duh black womenz at?

Churchill2004: He lectured on Constitutional law.

He was a professor of constitutional law. If that's not a constitutional scholar, get out of the thread and stop twisting argument

Honestly, I know that you love Ron Paul, but it's extremely stupid to see you attack every single candidate on minor issues nonstop. You're beginning to become the definition of 'irritating Paul supporter' instead of a reasonable Farker (if they exist). It's getting really sickening. I'd like to not have to block you because I enjoy political threads and all the input but this is getting out of hand.

It's possible to like more than one candidate, you know. "Attack every candidate except mine" isn't a viable strategy.

/Likes Obama, Paul, Kucinich, and more

Yay. Another chance to see how Hillary is for and against everything.

Echoic: He was a professor of constitutional law.

He was a guest lecturer, if you want to get really picky.

Which is completely missing the point- which is that the nature of the disagreement between Obama and Paul over the Constitution isn't one that should be reserved for ivory tower academics, but one that all citizens are supposed to be engaged in. It's the sort of fundamental disagreement that has nothing to do with how learned the two men are, but rather with how they view the nature of this government and its legal basis. This idea that the poor plebians should defer to the learned Senator on the question smacks of elitism.

Echoic: but it's extremely stupid to see you attack every single candidate on minor issues nonstop

I don't attack them on minor issues. All I did is voice my own objections to the, what I see to be, incredibly fake and meaningless hoopla surrounding Obama.


Echoic: It's possible to like more than one candidate, you know

"Like" has nothing to do with it. I have no doubt that Obama is a perfectly likable guy. What I'm so pissed about is this idea, pushed by Obama and his supporters, that that fact should be enough to get him into the Oval Office. It's the same thing that got Bush into the White House.

Echoic: Likes Obama, Paul, Kucinich, and more

So do I. The only one whose positions I like, however, is Paul's. And positions, not personalities, are supposed to be what matters.