christ should spit in your face you moron!

Ahh, Christians.

"The results of the Iowa caucuses reveal that conservative Christians remain a powerful force in American politics. That had to be a great shock to those on the far left,'" Dobson said in a statement, according to the Associated Press.

Great shock? More like a pleasant surprise. Liberals are pleased as punch at Huckabees win. It's "conservatives" who are fretting, Jimmy. And it's not the left, but the right that is shocked and worried.

whiskeyinthejar: christ should spit in your face you moron!

Ahh, Christians.

That's a good thing. That would cure my blindess.

I'm still not sure what to think about Huckabee. Taken at face value, he doesn't seem so bad. I just can't shake the feeling he's going for the left-to-moderate vote, and will abandon every principle he's espoused so far. Best choice I see from the Republicans, anyway.

JerseyTim: whiskeyinthejar: christ should spit in your face you moron!

Ahh, Christians.

That's a good thing. That would cure my blindess.

Only if he mixed it with dust

/Sunday School graduate

I know you people are getting tired of seeing this, but I have to get mileage out of it while I can.


In a couple months America will have forgotten this cheap trick he pulled to drag in our simple cousins in Iowa.

Thank you James Dobson. You are going to give the White House to the Democrats. Keep troubling your own house. The current Republican party deserves you.

Lionel Mandrake: "The results of the Iowa caucuses reveal that conservative Christians remain a powerful force in American politics. That had to be a great shock to those on the far left,'" Dobson said in a statement, according to the Associated Press.

Great shock? More like a pleasant surprise. Liberals are pleased as punch at Huckabees win. It's "conservatives" who are fretting, Jimmy. And it's not the left, but the right that is shocked and worried.

Honestly, the 'left' probably should like him. He's pretty genuinely populist, basically a Democrat plus a get-off-my-lawn policy regarding abortion. If Obama holds his lead, it's going to be battle of the moderates.

//Still going with Obama because he's moderate on purpose rather than by accident... but I'd take Huckabee over Ms. Clinton or Mr. 9/11. Kind of a toss-up with Romney, but I think he'd be less harmful than Edwards, too, overall.

I thought Dobson had endorsed Rudy, but perhaps it was some other Fundie who did that.

Alphax: I thought Dobson had endorsed Rudy, but perhaps it was some other Fundie who did that.

Dobson threatened a mass fundamentalist exodus if Giuliani got the nomination. One of my favorite moments was watching a clip of Hannity begging this guy to reconsider because he was insuring a Hillary victory.

Ah fun times.

Jim_Callahan: Honestly, the 'left' probably should like him. He's pretty genuinely populist, basically a Democrat plus a get-off-my-lawn policy regarding abortion. If Obama holds his lead, it's going to be battle of the moderates.

//Still going with Obama because he's moderate on purpose rather than by accident... but I'd take Huckabee over Ms. Clinton or Mr. 9/11. Kind of a toss-up with Romney, but I think he'd be less harmful than Edwards, too, overall.

yeah, and the best part, is all of us who would rather not vote for any of the standard crop of republicans can still convince our southern baptists mothers that ol' huckleberry is the good christian choice, that mormons are scary, and that guliani wears a dress...

THAT way if he gets the nomination, ok so a vote for huckleberry... not the worst thing that could happen... but if NOT...

well, mormons are scary and guliani wears a dress. might as well stay home.

/i consider it my patriotic duty to influence someone who would vote with the intent to not know anything about current events or politics
//they really are easy to manipulate, i see how the neocons pulled it off for so long

lolmao666: He's a nutjob and should be banned from running.

He's been shadowbanned. No one has told him yet.

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I'm gonna laugh my ass off after the democrats let huckabee win the nomination then realize that people actually like him and don't care so much about his views as he gets sworn in.

Jim_Callahan: Honestly, the 'left' probably should like him.

Except the left generally doesn't denounce evolution as a scientific principle. Eight years of unmitigated idiocy in the Oval Office is enough, thanks.

Fart_Machine: Alphax: I thought Dobson had endorsed Rudy, but perhaps it was some other Fundie who did that.

Dobson threatened a mass fundamentalist exodus if Giuliani got the nomination. One of my favorite moments was watching a clip of Hannity begging this guy to reconsider because he was insuring a Hillary victory.

Ah fun times.

Wow... I generally don't say this about FauxNews, but I hate that I missed that.

jbc:
Except the left generally doesn't denounce evolution as a scientific principle. Eight years of unmitigated idiocy in the Oval Office is enough, thanks.

Oh, no, an official who has almost nothing to do with the composition of education standards might be someone who has an opinion that would be bad to put into the educational standards!

Excuse me while I quiver in fear over here. If you expect the president to be a good example for the youth of America, you were born about 200 years too late.

//Honestly, if you really feel that way, you should vote for him for pres, because otherwise he'll run for governor again or congress, both of which actually do have more than a lip-service impact on actual educational curricula.

jbc: Except the left generally doesn't denounce evolution as a scientific principle. Eight years of unmitigated idiocy in the Oval Office is enough, thanks.

I hate doing this, but QFT. I don't care about anything else Huckabee says. He lost my vote permanently with his religious bullshiat, like saying that evolution isn't proven. The same with any other candidate. If that means go to a third party, then I will. If that means that I don't vote at all as protest, I will.

Desterion: I'm gonna laugh my ass off after the democrats let huckabee win the nomination then realize that people actually like him and don't care so much about his views as he gets sworn in.

Democrats let Huckabee win the [Republican] nomination? Party nominations -- let me explain them to you.

Ace Frehley's Ghost: Wow... I generally don't say this about FauxNews, but I hate that I missed that.

Well, here ya go. (new window)

Sorry Jim, a guy who advocated quarantine of people with AIDS isn't a moderate. Or much of a Christian for that matter.

Desterion
I'm gonna laugh my ass off after the democrats let huckabee win the nomination then realize that people actually like him and don't care so much about his views as he gets sworn in.

Interesting... Please tell us how the democrats are going to prevent the republicans from nominating Huckabee as their candidate fro President?

keylock71: Interesting... Please tell us how the democrats are going to prevent the republicans from nominating Huckabee as their candidate fro President?

No, the Democrats have the candidate with the fro.

The Why Not Guy: Sorry Jim, a guy who advocated quarantine of people with AIDS isn't a moderate. Or much of a Christian for that matter.

Oh... puts sugar on his porridge, does he?

Jim_Callahan: Oh, no, an official who has almost nothing to do with the composition of education standards might be someone who has an opinion that would be bad to put into the educational standards!

You obviously completely missed the point. It has nothing to do with his control or lack thereof over education and everything to do with the fact that he's too f---ing stupid for the job.

The Why Not Guy: Sorry Jim, a guy who advocated quarantine of people with AIDS isn't a moderate. Or much of a Christian for that matter.

True, I had forgotten about that one. I guess that makes him more mixed-bag than actually moderate. Like the way dot-printers sometimes created a grey shade by alternating black and white bits.

I stand by my 'still better than Hillary or 9/11' statement, though. Also my 'I hope Obama carries the nomination so I don't have to try to parse out the next-best candidate with real seriousness' statement.

Ace Frehley's Ghost
No, the Democrats have the candidate with the fro.

Fro reals?

The Why Not Guy: Sorry Jim, a guy who advocated quarantine of people with AIDS isn't a moderate. Or much of a Christian for that matter.

To be fair, not much was understood about AIDS back when he said it. By which I don't mean that much wasn't understood by the population at large, but rather by Huckabee himself, who apparently enjoys being willfully ignorant on a lot of issues long after there is any excuse for it.

Dimensio: Huckabee himself, who apparently enjoys being willfully ignorant on a lot of issues long after there is any excuse for it.

NIE on Iran, Apologizing for Bhutto's death. He has no clue.

cltbuilder: NIE on Iran, Apologizing for Bhutto's death. He has no clue.

After seeing the lineup of both major parties, I'm convinced that most of the US doesn't have a clue. Unfortunately, Huckabee seems perfect for them.

Ace Frehley's Ghost: The Why Not Guy: Sorry Jim, a guy who advocated quarantine of people with AIDS isn't a moderate. Or much of a Christian for that matter.

Oh... puts sugar on his porridge, does he?

The no true scottsman fallacy, let me explain it to you:

It is not possible (person) X is (a kind of person) Y because no (kind of person) Y would (commit the act of) Z.

In this case you are suggesting The Why Not Guy's statement is a fallacy because he claims the advocation of quarantining people with AIDS is not moderate and such acts are not much of a Christian behavior.

These are both true statements -- and do not eliminate someone from being Christian (just not a very good Christian). It does not limit a person from being a moderate but it does say this act is not moderate.

Pattern matching skills are good -- they need to be used with advanced thinking skills to make good arguments.

Dimensio: cltbuilder: NIE on Iran, Apologizing for Bhutto's death. He has no clue.

After seeing the lineup of both major parties, I'm convinced that most of the US doesn't have a clue. Unfortunately, Huckabee seems perfect for them.

Perfect to screw up the world.

keithgabryelski: Ace Frehley's Ghost: The Why Not Guy: Sorry Jim, a guy who advocated quarantine of people with AIDS isn't a moderate. Or much of a Christian for that matter.

Oh... puts sugar on his porridge, does he?

The no true scottsman fallacy, let me explain it to you:

It is not possible (person) X is (a kind of person) Y because no (kind of person) Y would (commit the act of) Z.

In this case you are suggesting The Why Not Guy's statement is a fallacy because he claims the advocation of quarantining people with AIDS is not moderate and such acts are not much of a Christian behavior.

These are both true statements -- and do not eliminate someone from being Christian (just not a very good Christian). It does not limit a person from being a moderate but it does say this act is not moderate.

Pattern matching skills are good -- they need to be used with advanced thinking skills to make good arguments.

This is Fark... you're taking it way too seriously.

If Huckabee somehow manages to get the nomination, I won't vote for him, no matter who the Democrats pick. I'll vote for whatever useless pothead the Libertarians throw into the race before I vote for the Christian Crusader.

/Republican

I wish my choices were as simple as candidate x believes in Sky Fairy therefore I support him (or her). Actually, no I don't. To be honest I find this whole farking Sky Fairy fixation to be rather embarrassing. I think it really speaks volumes about where we are in our own evolution.

/JAMES DOBSON ANAGRAM: "DEMON ASS JOB"

I'm curious, who is the bigger kook...please vote:

1. Someone who believes in Christ and the Bible

2. Someone who believes the government will do a bang-up job handling all our healthcare

Even the staunchest atheist would have to admit, #2 is a bigger fairy tale.

/don't wanna die while waiting in line for healthcare like the canadians do
//don't wanna pay 15% more in taxes for the privelege
///huck '08

The best part of the next few months will be watching the Republican party disintegrate.

Bush is accomplishing a lot in his last year in office after all.

FarkingSean: I'm curious, who is the bigger kook...please vote:

1. Someone who believes in Christ and the Bible

2. Someone who believes the government will do a bang-up job handling all our healthcare

Assuming you mean "thinks the Earth is 6000 years old" by #1, then I'm voting #1.

/canadian

I actually kind of like Huckabee, even though I'm a godless-atheist-practically-socialist-leftist. Let me break it down:

1) Huckabee is the first overtly "Christian" politician of any importance I've ever seen who seems to interpret the faith more along the lines of Acts and the Sermon on the Mount than Revelations and Leviticus. Note how he's always talking smack about the rich and corporate America, actually has something of a health care plan, an education plan, talks about helping the poor, etc. I think the last one was William Jennings Bryan (who of course, was much much much more on the left than Huckabee is on most issues.)

2) Yesterday, I saw him give an interview on MSNBC in which he said he respects atheists more than religious people who don't really follow what their religion says. I can respect that position.

3) He has the corporate/business conservatives shiatting their collective pants, which is always good.

4) He just seems to be a nice guy.

Of course, he supports the war, wants to institute the incredibly regressive and harebrained National Sales Tax, among other crazy and stupid things. But I'm not completely and utterly repulsed by him like most Republicans, is all I'm saying.

FarkingSean: Even the staunchest atheist would have to admit, #2 is a bigger fairy tale.

/don't wanna die while waiting in line for healthcare like the canadians do
//don't wanna pay 15% more in taxes for the privelege

Wow, talk about fairy tales..

CravenMorehead: The best part of the next few months will be watching the Republican party disintegrate.

Bush is accomplishing a lot in his last year in office after all.

yep -- he is finally an uniter.

FarkingSean

Well, there's no evidence for believing in God or the Bible, but there are plenty of examples of governments doing a bang-up job of running a national health care system. They're not perfect, but a whole lot of them work a much better than our bloated for-profit system. I can't understand how people continue to support a health care system that is explicitly run on a business model that is based on denial of care. That's just insane.

Also, I have a question for all you conservatives: why do you have such a problem with "bloated bureaucracy" in government but have no problem with equally bloated bureaucracy in, say, the private insurance industry?

Flying Lasagna Monster: huckabee Huckabee HUCKABEE HUCKABEE HUCKABEE

Uhh, you might want to check that (new window) first :)

The weird part is how apathetic the non-evangelical public is. Is this the road to how extremism of any form succeeds in any democracy. A largely apathetic body politic notes the insanity, and says, "Isn't that interesting, oh well, back to my Seinfeld reruns...Newman...Jerry...it never gets old."

Alphax: Wow, talk about fairy tales..

Nice comeback. Well done.

Driving Without Pants: Also, I have a question for all you conservatives: why do you have such a problem with "bloated bureaucracy" in government but have no problem with equally bloated bureaucracy in, say, the private insurance industry?

It's the insurance company's business as to whether or not they want to be bloated. It's my business if the government is. I am a taxpayer. If I don't like one insurance company, I can choose another. Imagine what will happen to the quality of care when there is no competition, if all docs get paid the same, if hospitals have no incentive to be better than the next. Please, just use your brains...

And don't whine about the poor little children who can't get care in today's system. There are more hospitals out there that treat kids for FREE for cancer and other major diseases than you could count if you had a day for couting set aside.

You like Darwin so much? Here's an idea...if you are too farking stupid or lazy to get a job and pay for your own medical needs, then let Darwin weed your genes from the human pool. Die before you breed more lazy idiots.

/thinks welfare is natural selection in reverse, guaranteeing we'll be overwhelmed with losers in another generation or so
//never mind, we're already there

I'm curious, who is the bigger kook...please vote:

1. Someone who believes in Christ and the Bible

2. Someone who believes the government will do a bang-up job handling all our healthcare


3. Someone who believes the government will do a bang-up job handling the middle east

i'll go with 3

I went to high school in Colorado Springs. Dobson is in-freakin'-sane. He wants the government to regulate everything everyone does (except himself and his "church," of course, who should get tax breaks). I don't understand how that's even close to being a true "conservative."

Alphax: I thought Dobson had endorsed Rudy, but perhaps it was some other Fundie who did that.

Correcting my original posting, it's Pat Robertson who endorsed Rudy.

wowzer97pooh: Thank you James Dobson. You are going to give the White House to the Democrats. Keep troubling your own house. The current Republican party deserves you.

I've been voting Republican since i got out of high school, keeping with my social liberal fiscal conservative views.

Since the repubs have catered to guys like Dobson I've considered some Democrats. When Dobson threatened to take his flock out of the party I said 'see ya'