Isn't Rummy available?

Can a puppet choose its puppeteer?

Rudy seems to really want to lose this. Which is a good thing because he could actually be worse than Bush if he got into office.

Wow. Remember when the media told us we didn't even have to HAVE primaries, not really, because the presidential election would be Rudy V. Hillary, and Hillary would eventually win?

Suck it, Chris Matthews et al.

He also mentions Abe Lincoln. I wonder if he'll tap ol' Abe as a running mate instead?

wtf?

Ok, the 9/11 joke is getting REALLY old. This headline was fine without the 9/11 at the end. This cliche needs to be put out to pasture.

Treygreen13: Ok, the 9/11 joke is getting REALLY old. This headline was fine without the 9/11 at the end. This cliche needs to be put out to pasture.

I find your lack of 9/11 disturbing.

This is the man who would be Giuliani's running mate:

Check out that hair! Wonder how must that costs?

3Horn

Treygreen13
Ok, the 9/11 joke is getting REALLY old. This headline was fine without the 9/11 at the end. This cliche needs to be put out to pasture.

I agree, now you just have to convince Giuliani to run on something other than the ghosts of September 11, 2001.

3Horn

Hell, why not keep old Dick around as VP. He knows where the bodies and the Post-It notes are kept.

Treygreen13: Ok, the 9/11 joke is getting REALLY old. This headline was fine without the 9/11 at the end. This cliche needs to be put out to pasture.

Normally I would agree but the joke cannot become overused before Rudy stops doing it himself:

HOOKSETT, N.H. - Hoping to jolt voters into giving his presidential campaign another look, Rudy Giuliani unveiled a stark TV ad yesterday that features al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden and the wreckage of 9/11, as well as slain Pakistani opposition leader Benazir Bhutto.

Link (p)

wpmulligan: Hell, why not keep old Dick around as VP. He knows where the bodies and the Post-It notes are kept.

In the man-sized safe in his office?

Isn't Cheney related to Obama... or was that just some kind of sick joke?

Fark will give up the cliche when Rudy does. I heard him on the radio this morning and he mentioned 9/11 when explaining why he didn't campaign in Iowa.

FTA: In an answer that mentioned Cheney more than once, Giuliani said, "A vice president has to be a partner in the administration. The vice president has to know everything that's going on, just in case the vice president has to step in at a moment's notice," he said. He added that during a conversation with Cheney on Sept. 11, 2001, he felt the vice president "had a sense that he knew what he was doing."

I'm sure Cheney knew what he was doing. The problem is that Cheney's agenda has always been a dangerous and evil one.

3horn: Treygreen13
Ok, the 9/11 joke is getting REALLY old. This headline was fine without the 9/11 at the end. This cliche needs to be put out to pasture.

I agree, now you just have to convince Giuliani to run on something other than the ghosts of September 11, 2001.

3Horn

If I had that kind of sway, I would.

Thompson's hangover: Treygreen13: Ok, the 9/11 joke is getting REALLY old. This headline was fine without the 9/11 at the end. This cliche needs to be put out to pasture.

Normally I would agree but the joke cannot become overused before Rudy stops doing it himself:

HOOKSETT, N.H. - Hoping to jolt voters into giving his presidential campaign another look, Rudy Giuliani unveiled a stark TV ad yesterday that features al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden and the wreckage of 9/11, as well as slain Pakistani opposition leader Benazir Bhutto.

Link (p)

I am aware that he runs on a 9/11 platform. I'd never vote for the guy. I'm just sick of the cliche.

Thompson's hangover: Treygreen13: Ok, the 9/11 joke is getting REALLY old. This headline was fine without the 9/11 at the end. This cliche needs to be put out to pasture.

Normally I would agree but the joke cannot become overused before Rudy stops doing it himself:

HOOKSETT, N.H. - Hoping to jolt voters into giving his presidential campaign another look, Rudy Giuliani unveiled a stark TV ad yesterday that features al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden and the wreckage of 9/11, as well as slain Pakistani opposition leader Benazir Bhutto.

Link (p)

And this from the article posted.

"A vice president has to be a partner in the administration. The vice president has to know everything that's going on, just in case the vice president has to step in at a moment's notice," he said. He added that during a conversation with Cheney on Sept. 11, 2001, he felt the vice president "had a sense that he knew what he was doing."

I would bet money that his writers are required to use it for every speech.

wpmulligan: Hell, why not keep old Dick around as VP. He knows where the bodies and the Post-It notes are kept.

And which secret documents were 'lost' in his fire...


"You could do what Abe Lincoln did," Giulani said as he referred to historian Doris Kearns Goodwin's book on Lincoln, Team of Rivals.

"Abraham Lincoln basically selected all of his opponents to be in his cabinet - all his Republican opponents," Giuliani said. "Each one of them began with the idea that they were better qualified to be president than he was, and they all left realizing that they weren't, and that gives you a sense of a man of great confidence."



Who saw John Bolton on the Daily Show? Is this the neo-con way of admitting that John Stewart knows more about U.S. history than they do?

Can we look forward to more terror alerts? Terror threat level is at what color? Orange? Purple?

Thompson's hangover: Normally I would agree but the joke cannot become overused before Rudy stops doing it himself:

HOOKSETT, N.H. - Hoping to jolt voters into giving his presidential campaign another look, Rudy Giuliani unveiled a stark TV ad yesterday that features al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden and the wreckage of 9/11, as well as slain Pakistani opposition leader Benazir Bhutto.

Youtube link to the ad.

Contrast this with Obama's speech last night about hope and courage. Two starkly different versions of America. I know which one I want.

LittleSmitty: Can we look forward to more terror alerts? Terror threat level is at what color? Orange? Purple?

LittleSmitty: Can we look forward to more terror alerts? Terror threat level is at what color? Orange? Purple?

When was the last time they actually used that thing, anyway? I can't remember it being updated for at least a year.

Yeah, well what president wouldn't want that kind of impeachment protection?

This might actually make me want to vote for Rudy. I wonder if it is possible to be so corrupt, so evil, so incompentent that you turn good and competent? Kinda like drinking yourself sober.

Treygreen13: I am aware that he runs on a 9/11 platform. I'd never vote for the guy. I'm just sick of the cliche.

That's the joke, son. Rudy inserts it into everything, no matter how irrelevant. So do the Fark headlines. It gets really old hearing Rudy do it. It gets really old in the headlines. Ta-dah, metafunny.

Get it?

/ 9/11

TFA: "Abraham Lincoln basically selected all of his opponents to be in his cabinet - all his Republican opponents," Giuliani said. "Each one of them began with the idea that they were better qualified to be president than he was, and they all left realizing that they weren't, and that gives you a sense of a man of great confidence.

Guili, that worked for Lincoln because he was good at it. It would not work for you. You might possibly be better for the country than Duncan Hunter or Tom Tancredo, but the Iowa folks put you right where you belong; Half the man Ron Paul is, and both of you well behind everyone else.

gilgamesh23: Youtube link to the ad.

Contrast this with Obama's speech last night about hope and courage. Two starkly different versions of America. I know which one I want.


People whose votes are swayed by that shait deserve to live their lives in perpetual fear.

Treygreen13: 3horn: Treygreen13
Ok, the 9/11 joke is getting REALLY old. This headline was fine without the 9/11 at the end. This cliche needs to be put out to pasture.

I agree, now you just have to convince Giuliani to run on something other than the ghosts of September 11, 2001.

3Horn

If I had that kind of sway, I would.

Thompson's hangover: Treygreen13: Ok, the 9/11 joke is getting REALLY old. This headline was fine without the 9/11 at the end. This cliche needs to be put out to pasture.

Normally I would agree but the joke cannot become overused before Rudy stops doing it himself:

HOOKSETT, N.H. - Hoping to jolt voters into giving his presidential campaign another look, Rudy Giuliani unveiled a stark TV ad yesterday that features al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden and the wreckage of 9/11, as well as slain Pakistani opposition leader Benazir Bhutto.

Link (p)

I am aware that he runs on a 9/11 platform. I'd never vote for the guy. I'm just sick of the cliche.

Fair enough - I would just hope that you are (at least) equally sick of his use of 9/11.

I'll never understand this guys relentless desire to scare the crap out of everyone.

Just days after 9/11 everyone in NYC was back on the trains, commuting in and out of the City and generally getting on with their affairs. We were scared as hell and nervously expecting that something else might blow up, but life went on.

I still remember talking to one of the guys working on rubble pile on the train ride in. As we were going over the Brooklyn Bridge everyone on the train stood up to look out the window at the smoke coming up from the still smoldering debris.

People are alot tougher (emotionally I mean) than Rudy gives them credit for. It's actually kind of insulting.

OneBrightMonkey: I'll never understand this guys relentless desire to scare the crap out of everyone.

Because he knows it's the only way he can win. He's to the left of the GOP of many important issues, and the fear factor is the only way people might forget about that.

It would also allow him to put more security measures into place. Remember, this is the guy who said freedom is about submitting to authority.

LuLz! By BEVERLEY WANG

FTA: "He [RUDY] added that during a conversation with Cheney on Sept. 11, 2001, he felt the vice president "had a sense that he knew what he was doing."

Well I guess SO, seeing as how Cheney was running the operation behind the scenes. They're both criminals and complicit in the cover-up.

Doubt it? Read about it:

Actually, the 22nd Amendment only imposes term limits on the office of the President. There are no term limits for the office of VP. Forget someone LIKE Cheney, we can have the REAL Dick Cheney!

/Please stand up.

Treygreen13: Ok, the 9/11 joke is getting REALLY old. This headline was fine without the 9/11 at the end. This cliche needs to be put out to pasture.

Tell it to Giuliani, not the Submitter.

FTA....He added that during a conversation with Cheney on Sept. 11, 2001, he felt the vice president "had a sense that he knew what he was doing."

You mean, like when he was hiding in the White House bunker like a chickenshiat when Americans were jumping out of the Towers instead of burning to death?

Krymore: Treygreen13: Ok, the 9/11 joke is getting REALLY old. This headline was fine without the 9/11 at the end. This cliche needs to be put out to pasture.

Tell it to Giuliani, not the Submitter.

I'll get right on that. Wait, no, I don't care.
People like submitter just tack on 9/11 to get a cheap green, not to make any sort of real commentary anymore.

I'm not sure what I'm more sick of.. Giuliani threads or Ron Paul threads.

Hank Rearden: Isn't Cheney related to Obama... or was that just some kind of sick joke?

Only in the sense that both are descended from Adam.

Maud Dib: You mean, like when he was hiding in the White House bunker like a chickenshiat when Americans were jumping out of the Towers instead of burning to death?

It's worse than that:

"In an argument of over 600 pages and 1,000 footnotes, Crossing the Rubicon makes the case for official complicity within the U.S. government and names Dick Cheney as the prime suspect in the crimes of 9/11."

Crossing the Rubicon
Simplifying the case against Dick Cheney (new window)

"Abraham Lincoln basically selected all of his opponents to be in his cabinet - all his Republican opponents," Giuliani said. "Each one of them began with the idea that they were better qualified to be president than he was, and they all left realizing that they weren't, and that gives you a sense of a man of great confidence."

Given Rudy's fairly well documented propensity for surrounding himself with yes-men at the expense of having honest and/or competent subordinates, this scenario strikes me as being highly unlikely.

Actually, for years I have wanted a fiscal conservative who was not beholden to the religious right to take the helm of the Republican party. As a gay man, I absolutely cannot bring myself to vote for the kind of candidate who thinks putting AIDS patients in concentration camps is a good idea, or who uses the idea of me having a relationship with any kind of legal rights as a bogeyman to scare up votes.

Lo and behold, Rudy Giuliani comes along: a man who seems to probably hold as enlightened a position on social issues that one could hope for in a Republican. But I would vote for Huckabee before I'd vote for Giuliani-Giuliani truly scares me: he's an authoritarian who would trample all over the Constitution in a far more systematic and effective way than Bush has been able to manage.

Bush, for all his horrible policies, at least has the virtue of implementing them incompetently. I truly fear that Giuliani would turn this country into a real police state.

I think he should get zombie Nixon.

Hmmmm....one of Rudy's guys:



You can bet he'll get to the bottom of that CIA torture tape thing. Yeah.



At least Rudy the Criminal LOST TO RON PAUL last night, which was sweet.

/Ron Paul

Off topic, but is the Daily Show back from reruns yet?

TypoFlyspray: TFA: "Abraham Lincoln basically selected all of his opponents to be in his cabinet - all his Republican opponents," Giuliani said. "Each one of them began with the idea that they were better qualified to be president than he was, and they all left realizing that they weren't, and that gives you a sense of a man of great confidence.

Guili, that worked for Lincoln because he was good at it. It would not work for you. You might possibly be better for the country than Duncan Hunter or Tom Tancredo, but the Iowa folks put you right where you belong; Half the man Ron Paul is, and both of you well behind everyone else.

Also Lincoln picked a Southern Democrat for VP.

It should come back with new material this Monday. Both Colbert and Stewart.

and fernt, I'm sorry but as bad as Cheney is. I doubt he would go as far as killing 3000 U.S. citizens.

fernt: Hmmmm....one of Rudy's guys:



You can bet he'll get to the bottom of that CIA torture tape thing. Yeah.



At least Rudy the Criminal LOST TO RON PAUL last night, which was sweet.

/Ron Paul


A truther nut for Ron Paul, what a surprise.

Setsuna: and fernt, I'm sorry but as bad as Cheney is. I doubt he would go as far as killing 3000 U.S. citizens.

You and I disagree then.

He hasn't blinked at killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and wants to kill thousands of Iranians.

He's sub-human in his desire for power and money. Just my opinion, after reading "Crossing the Rubicon" and seeing the PBS Frontline documentary "Dick Cheney - The Dark Side" (new window)

There is a strong possibility that people were expected to evacuate the towers (like WTC 7) in time, but the Motorola PA system didn't work and the Police and Fire Dept.'s radios weren't in sync (thank you Rudy) so there were probably more deaths than originally envisioned.

Do you mean the family values VP with the dike daughter?

/that guy?

juiceman_eyebrows

A truther nut for Ron Paul, what a surprise.

A shill that likes Lolcats, what a surprise.

fernt:
He hasn't blinked at killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and wants to kill thousands of Iranians.



Ok, Let's assume for a second, he did plan this out. Do you understand the sheer logistics involved with such an operation? and not one person from the Government has stepped forward and said anything. Not one person feels guilty?

And please don't tell me there have been "reports" or "rumors" of this and that. All I need is facts. How did person A or B or C know that Cheney was where he was. Were they with him? Did he personally call them and tell him where he was going?

/I hate having to defend Republicans, but I hate 9/11 conspiracy fantasies more.

fernt, from what I can see on that website, all that book does is refer to itself in the footnotes.

Even accepting everything on that webpage as the gospel truth, establishing motive, means and opportunity is not sufficient to secure a conviction, just an indictment.

Incidentally, has anyone ever noticed how the Peak Oil nutjobs sound an awful lot like the guys who were building bunkers out in the wilderness, preparing for the "inevitable" nuclear war with the Soviet Union?

Not that I disagree with peak oil as a hypothesis...we've known since the '70s (at least!) that oil is a finite resource and that it will run out someday. I just do not believe that it will be the massive catastrophe (complete with apocalyptic scenarios lifted straight out of "Red Dawn") that is being predicted.

Yes, oil will get more and more expensive, and as it does so, other sources of energy and hydrocarbons will take its place. Denmark gets 20% of its energy from wind. France gets 40% of its energy from nuclear energy. Canada gets a quarter of its energy from hydropower. That's completely ignoring recent advances in solar that may or may not pan out. There are realistic alternatives out there. That also completely ignores the large reserves of coal that are still out there.

Replacing oil in chemical synthesis is a bit tougher, but the amount of petroleum used here is much smaller than the amount used for automobile gasoline alone (which accounts for almost half of our crude oil consumption). Shifting transportation to other forms of energy would vastly reduce oil consumption and allow plenty of time to develop alternate sources for organic synthesis.

To be honest, cutting gasoline consumption, especially for those in urban areas, is not difficult. In the last twelve months, I've probably spent about $650 at most on gas for my 1998 Dodge Ram pickup (costs about $70 to fill the tank at $3/gallon), and that's including a 2500 mile road trip last fall. All it took was the decision to avoid the traffic jams on the highway, using transit more and getting a little exercise on my bicycle when commuting to work or running errands; my truck sits idle for weeks at a time.

If I'd chosen to keep driving to work in my truck, I'd have spent over $1800 last for commuting alone. Assuming I'd still have consumed the $650 in gas in addition to what I would have used commuting, that means I've cut my consumption, with little or no pain (I wake up a little earlier, but eliminating rush hour eliminates a lot of stress too, plus I get free exercise, so let's call it a wash), by almost 75%.

Setsuna: Ok, Let's assume for a second, he did plan this out.

If you read some books and watch some videos you may not have to assume.

Do you understand the sheer logistics involved with such an operation?

Let It Happen on Purpose? Inform a few known terrorists that September 11th we'll be wide open and defenseless for hours (while Cheney runs multiple war games). Yeah. Read about the war games going on that day for a taste of "logistics."

Setsuna: And please don't tell me there have been "reports" or "rumors" of this and that. All I need is facts.

Sounds like you have all the facts you need - to believe that Cheney and Rudy had nothing to do with either the allowance of the attack or the cover-up afterwards. Your mind is made up. Mine is still open. There are plenty of references that might challenge your view if you'd take the time to explore them. www.911truth.org is a good place to start.

Setsuna: How did person A or B or C know that Cheney was where he was. Were they with him?

Yeah. There are plenty of eye-witness accounts and even testimony (stricken from the 9/11 Commission Report) of Cheney's activities that morning. It's an interesting read.

If your mind isn't already made up.

Since the 9/11 Commissioners themselves are STILL complaining that Bush/Cheney blocked them at every turn, and in their book about the investigation they ADMIT they gave Rudy a pass...oh, but you'd have to read something instead of headlines.

You go on back to supporting the likes of Cheney and Rudy and I'll just keep reading stuff. Have a nice day.