Hmmm...We've been in Germany and Japan since WWII...some 50 years. Is that all that bad?

steelpeg: Hmmm...We've been in Germany and Japan since WWII...some 50 years. Is that all that bad?

Well, it does have to be mentioned that the Germans and Japanese aren't killing our soldiers constantly.

steelpeg: Hmmm...We've been in Germany and Japan since WWII...some 50 years. Is that all that bad?

It's sad that the freeptards cannot figure out that there is no parallel between WWII and the Iraw Occupation.

How many US troops died at the hands of German/Korean/Japanese attackers after WWII/Korea? None.

When this starts happening, Americans will scream at the politicians to get the troops into Iraq, RIGHT NOW, GODDAMNIT!



McCain knows what he's talking about while the author of this article about McCain is approximately 5 million miles behind the curve.

If he wants armed personnel in Iraq then he's welcome to hire Blackwater mercenaries to drive around and risk their lives on his dime for as long as he can afford it and the Iraqis will tolerate it. I'm not interested in continuing to pay for it in US military lives, tax payer dollars, or national standing.

He also announced the inclusion of Steve Guttenberg as Newton Crosby into his future cabinet, because he has the plans for Johnny 5.

moops: How many US troops died at the hands of German/Korean/Japanese attackers after WWII/Korea? None.

Really? 0? Ever?

Hint #1: Korea was part of the occuppied zone after WWII.
Hint #2: A few troops may have died there in the 1950s

Shaggy_C: Really? 0? Ever?

Hint #1: Korea was part of the occuppied zone after WWII.
Hint #2: A few troops may have died there in the 1950s

Why don't you try and read what I said. How many US troops were killed by South Koreans after the Korean War?

canyoneer: When this starts happening, Americans will scream at the politicians to get the troops into Iraq, RIGHT NOW, GODDAMNIT!

Why can't we just buy the oil? I'm certain they'd be happy to sell.

Hey, everybody needs to be somewhere...

Here's a solution to all our problems in the Middle East. Tell Israel to fark off and you're on your own.

moops: Why don't you try and read what I said. How many US troops were killed by South Koreans after the Korean War?

Sigh...the Korean war was borne out of the occupation of East Asia after WWII. It was not an independent event in the slightest. It was just as relevant as the issues in Kurdistan going on right now.

steelpeg: Hmmm...We've been in Germany and Japan since WWII...some 50 years. Is that all that bad?

What's the body count since VJ day?

What is the point? There is only about 55 more years of oil left in the ground over there (at most optimistic estimates) so we should be able to leave shortly thereafter...

canyoneer: When this starts happening, Americans will scream at the politicians to get the troops into Iraq, RIGHT NOW, GODDAMNIT!

Bullshiat.

We'll be driving plug in hybrids and Teslas, if we're smart.

moops: Why don't you try and read what I said. How many US troops were killed by South Koreans after the Korean War?

Well, technically none, since it isn't over yet.

So let's get this straight: Now that McCain has the all important Alf's Dad endorsement, he is the obvious front runner for the GOP nod.

That makes the Iraq issue in our presidential choice pretty darn definitive, since the two frontrunners on the D side are all about getting out.

Why don't you try and read what I said. How many US troops were killed by South Koreans after the Korean War?

Of course not by South Koreans. We aren't getting killed by regular Iraqi civilians either. In fact they are the ones getting killed in much larger numbers than any coalition soldiers. It's a combination of local Baathist or Al Qaeda sympathizers and recruits, foreign insurgent fighters sent by Al Qaeda and other groups, and (allegedly) Iranian insurgents, though I don't know if the evidence is 100% on Iran sending personnel along with their munitions.

It's true that Iraq is not a perfect comparison to other occupations this century, but there are significant parallels. The biggest difference is that the insurgency gave up almost immediately in every other country we've held. Even the hardcore Hitler loyalists gave up after WW2. The other difference is the foreign support I mentioned above. Our failure to completely wipe out Al Qaeda is costing us in Iraq unfortunately. Other than that, the situations are pretty comparable.

Ugh, here we go again. If you're stupid enough to think Iraq has any business being compared to Germany, watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilAvecamYVc

I'm no Olbermann fan (he's a rather hyperbolic liberal), but he does get his history facts right. Debate your values for all I care, but for chrissakes, stop comparing Iraq to WW2. It's embarrassing.

HotWingConspiracy: "Why can't we just buy the oil? I'm certain they'd be happy to sell."

Well, that is precisely the problem, isn't it? No matter how uncomfortable the fact is, the United States cannot function without lots of oil, and we are now importing over 60% of what we use. That is a very, very large vulnerability.

So, we have to be certain that we have reliable supplies. The lion's share of the oil on the planet happens to be located in a region where the reliability and goodwill of the locals is very, very uncertain.

This isn't something that can be left to chance or left to the goodwill of foreigners, it has to be guaranteed. Of course, we could take our chances and rely upon paying for oil in USD, although many foreigners are losing their faith in the USD these days.

There is one thing that is absolutely certain: If we don't get enough oil, our economy will grind to a halt and America will, overnight, become a 3rd World country. I suppose you are not eager to be dirt poor, malnourished, and sleeping on a dirt floor, right?

McCain's comments about having men stationed in 'a volatile part of the Middle East' really only make sense if it is taken as a given that we will remain dependent on oil for our economic life.

Seems there is a good reason to look at alternates. And when one fifty-year plan (posted above) costs less than what we spend annually for Social Security, it seems the choice is obvious.

dragonchild: stop comparing Iraq to WW2. It's embarrassing.

Germany attacked us in Pearl Harbor just like Saddam attacked us on 9/11

Skleenar: canyoneer: When this starts happening, Americans will scream at the politicians to get the troops into Iraq, RIGHT NOW, GODDAMNIT!

Bullshiat.

We'll be driving plug in hybrids and Teslas, if we're smart.

moops: Why don't you try and read what I said. How many US troops were killed by South Koreans after the Korean War?

Well, technically none, since it isn't over yet.

So let's get this straight: Now that McCain has the all important Alf's Dad endorsement, he is the obvious front runner for the GOP nod.

That makes the Iraq issue in our presidential choice pretty darn definitive, since the two frontrunners on the D side are all about getting out.

Richardson, Kusinich or Gravel are frontrunners? They are the only ones on the Ds that want to really get out.

Shaggy_C: Sigh...the Korean war was borne out of the occupation of East Asia after WWII. It was not an independent event in the slightest. It was just as relevant as the issues in Kurdistan going on right now.

Kurdistan wasn't an independent nation invaded by an enemy of ours and then half of it was taken over by Communists who in turn tried to invade the rest of the land that was once one country, at which point we intervened, culminating in a protracted conflict that cost America some 50,000 lives.

That's like saying World War 2 was borne out of World War 1 and that this is relevant to the Greek Civil War, which was not an isolated conflict. EVERYTHING is related historically. It is a meaningless statement.

Try again.

Cromar: We aren't getting killed by regular Iraqi civilians either. I

If you do enough defining, you could say we aren't getting killed by regular human beings, either.

Saiga410: Richardson, Kusinich or Gravel are frontrunners? They are the only ones on the Ds that want to really get out.

"Really" get out?

Are you psychic?

I suspect his comment was reported incomplete or taken out of context.

canyoneer: HotWingConspiracy: "Why can't we just buy the oil? I'm certain they'd be happy to sell."

Well, that is precisely the problem, isn't it? No matter how uncomfortable the fact is, the United States cannot function without lots of oil, and we are now importing over 60% of what we use. That is a very, very large vulnerability.

So, we have to be certain that we have reliable supplies. The lion's share of the oil on the planet happens to be located in a region where the reliability and goodwill of the locals is very, very uncertain.

This isn't something that can be left to chance or left to the goodwill of foreigners, it has to be guaranteed. Of course, we could take our chances and rely upon paying for oil in USD, although many foreigners are losing their faith in the USD these days.

There is one thing that is absolutely certain: If we don't get enough oil, our economy will grind to a halt and America will, overnight, become a 3rd World country. I suppose you are not eager to be dirt poor, malnourished, and sleeping on a dirt floor, right?

Well I've been down the poor and malnourished road. Still had a floor though. Not really looking forward to that again.

Anyway, I know oil isn't infinite. The idea that the wealthiest nation on the planet would have a hard time finding willing sellers of the available stock is one I can't understand though.

moops

Actually, was stationed in Italy with a guy who got drunk and died in a bar fight with an Italian. In 2003.

Therefore, Italy is JUST AS DANGEROUS as Iraq, and we still have troops there.

-Why do you hate 'Murica, Moops??

Skleenar

Oh, Jesus. Here we go with the nerd fantasies aboout electric cars again. How many times does it have to laid out for you? How many times will you wilfully ignore the physical realities of energy? Why do you and guys like you stubbornly cling to these easily and frequently debunked fairy tales about renewable energy, electric cars, and "energy independence?" It's really getting to be pathetic, and your credibility is melting like an ice cube in Death Valley in August.

smeegle: I suspect his comment was reported incomplete or taken out of context.

Or you could just watch the video on the linked page.

Sheesh.

canyoneer: Oh, Jesus. Here we go with the nerd fantasies aboout electric cars again. How many times does it have to laid out for you? How many times will you wilfully ignore the physical realities of energy? Why do you and guys like you stubbornly cling to these easily and frequently debunked fairy tales about renewable energy, electric cars, and "energy independence?" It's really getting to be pathetic, and your credibility is melting like an ice cube in Death Valley in August.

Read the damn link, Canyoneer. I suspect you will need to redefine what a 'fairytale' is.

Actually, was stationed in Italy with a guy who got drunk and died in a bar fight with an Italian. In 2003.

hmm..missed some words there. that was supposed to say, "My BF was stationed....." I certainly wasn't a marine core soldier.

Shaggy_C: Germany attacked us in Pearl Harbor just like Saddam attacked us on 9/11

You should not be commenting in threads that require historical Knowledge.

We didn't declare war on Germany!

The leading D candidates have all bounced back and forth on troop withdrawal. None of them are actually going to end the war. They are just trying to pick up the anti war vote. None of them were willing to make a solemn promise that they would withdraw within 4 years if elected. Obama through that sentiment into his victory speech last night but it's an empty promise.

In reality, any competent president - which all 3 top D candidates would be - would realize immediately upon taking office that they cannot afford to pull out any more than a very small number of troops (to pre-surge levels). They will not end the war. After being elected they will talk about trying to win the war so they can end it, but they won't. At least the R candidates are up front about it.

If you are truly anti Iraq war, your vote can only go to Kucinich, Paul, Gravel, or maybe Richardson. If you really want to destroy Iraq, ruin the military, ruin our few remaining allies in the Middle East, and abandon Israel to whichever country get the nuke next, you have to vote for one of those candidates. If you want a candidate who will fight for real progress in Iraq, protect our little brother Israel, put pressure on Iran to elect a pro west president, and defend Pakistan's soon to be new government against terrorists, most of the R candidates can accomplish that, especially McCain and Hunter.

PC LOAD LETTER: Try again.

No need. Part of the Japanese provisional government (our occupation starting in 1945) was in South Korea. The USSR was running things in North Korea. Not too different than the East/West German split. We were still there en masse in 1950 when the war broke out. Hell, we were still completely running the show until 1952 in Japan. You need to beef up on your history.

canyoneer: Oh, Jesus. Here we go with the nerd fantasies aboout electric cars again. How many times does it have to laid out for you? How many times will you wilfully ignore the physical realities of energy? Why do you and guys like you stubbornly cling to these easily and frequently debunked fairy tales about renewable energy, electric cars, and "energy independence?" It's really getting to be pathetic, and your credibility is melting like an ice cube in Death Valley in August.


What exactly are these "physical realities of Energy" that you speak of oh wise physicist? I'm sure the Japanese might want to have a word with you....

Shaggy_C: Germany attacked us in Pearl Harbor just like Saddam attacked us on 9/11

Crazy_horce: You should not be commenting in threads that require historical Knowledge.

sasquatchologist: Wow. You really are a complete tool, aren't you?

You guys miss the subtle yet finely executed brilliance in my original quote. You both should feel ashamed.

First off he is right about the "is America ready for a black/woman President?" It presumes that people who will not vote for Obama or Hillary are not ready for a black/woman President. However this is typical of the MSM. Finally McCain is right you have to think there will be a US presence in Iraq for a long time. Hell how long have we been in Cuba?

Cromar: If you are truly anti Iraq war, your vote can only go to Kucinich, Paul, Gravel, or maybe Richardson. If you really want to destroy Iraq, ruin the military, ruin our few remaining allies in the Middle East, and abandon Israel to whichever country get the nuke next, you have to vote for one of those candidates. If you want a candidate who will fight for real progress in Iraq, protect our little brother Israel, put pressure on Iran to elect a pro west president, and defend Pakistan's soon to be new government against terrorists, most of the R candidates can accomplish that, especially McCain and Hunter.

False dichotomies and speculation are fun!

dragonchild: Ugh, here we go again. If you're stupid enough to think Iraq has any business being compared to Germany, watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilAvecamYVc

I'm no Olbermann fan (he's a rather hyperbolic liberal), but he does get his history facts right. Debate your values for all I care, but for chrissakes, stop comparing Iraq to WW2. It's embarrassing.

I really don't want to watch KO. What is the gist of his argument?

We need to keep the troops there until the job is done. It was an asinine answer to an asinine question.

Shaggy_C: No need. Part of the Japanese provisional government (our occupation starting in 1945) was in South Korea. The USSR was running things in North Korea. Not too different than the East/West German split. We were still there en masse in 1950 when the war broke out. Hell, we were still completely running the show until 1952 in Japan. You need to beef up on your history.

Which is exactly why we don't need to setting up provisional governments in foreign countries and putting lots of our military there. What was your point again?

Oh, Jesus. Here we go with the nerd fantasies aboout electric cars again.

Stop debunking my nerd fantasies with your "reality", you jerk :( I want a car that runs on hopes and dreams! Maybe we'll discover a magic bean that costs a dime and powers your house and car for a month! Yeah, no need to plan for the future when the magic bean will save us.

Skleenar: smeegle: I suspect his comment was reported incomplete or taken out of context.

Or you could just watch the video on the linked page.

Sheesh.

I read the article smartass. Sheesh

Shaggy_C: You guys miss the subtle yet finely executed brilliance in my original quote. You both should feel ashamed.


Shares your disappointment.

Hang On Voltaire

Finally McCain is right you have to think there will be a US presence in Iraq for a long time. Hell how long have we been in Cuba?

On the other hand, we're no longer in Vietnam, Somalia, or the Philippines.

Shaggy_C You guys miss the subtle yet finely executed brilliance in my original quote. You both should feel ashamed.

I'm glad we kept fighting after Germany attacked Pearl Harbor. It would suck if it was over.

Shaggy_C: You guys miss the subtle yet finely executed brilliance in my original quote. You both should feel ashamed.

I think everyone missed it. Maybe you should try again.

There really aren't many parallels between 1940's Germany and Modern Iraq.

Shaggy_C: Shaggy_C: Germany attacked us in Pearl Harbor just like Saddam attacked us on 9/11

Crazy_horce: You should not be commenting in threads that require historical Knowledge.

sasquatchologist: Wow. You really are a complete tool, aren't you?

You guys miss the subtle yet finely executed brilliance in my original quote. You both should feel ashamed.

I thought it was hilarious myself but I be twisted that way.

False dichotomies and speculation are fun!

What false dichotomies? None of the top 3 D's or top 5 R's (or Hunter) are going to abandon Iraq, period. Some of the top D's MIGHT draw down forces for awhile but ultimately nothing less than pre-surge levels. Paul and most of the lower Ds would pull out. I don't know about Richardson, he says he would but I don't know enough about him.

smeegle: I read the article smartass. Sheesh

And you couldn't manage to click the 'play' icon?

If you had done that, or simply not posted your comment above, you would have made yourself look less, er, uninformed.