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2008-01-03 09:04:49 PM |
I thought submitter must be mocking Wal-Mart, but that's exactly what the employee is reported to have said in TFA.
Google found a more detailed article on that obnoxious mainetoday web site that after loading the page replaces it with an error page if you are using Firefox and don't have javascript turned on. (My text browser loads the page just fine.) Quoting from said stupid web site:
In his complaint, Nolan said he thought it was a joke when he was asked on Dec. 8 to fill in as the store Santa Claus at the Wal-Mart on Main Street. He said his co-workers were laughing.
Nolan, who described himself as an atheist who does not believe in Christmas, said he laughed as well and then declined. "I said, 'Uh, no way,'" he said in an interview last month.
In conclusion, I think I hate everybody involved in this story.
| 5000_gallons_of_toothpaste | 2008-01-03 09:08:35 PM |
They should fire any adults working for them who DO still believe in Santa.
| Brontes | 2008-01-03 09:12:07 PM |
Santa is hardly a Christian symbol. Just dress up, make kids happy, and have a good time. He should have said, "No, you don't give me good health insurance and kids are a major disease vector, so no."
| King Something
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2008-01-03 09:13:47 PM |
Attractive and successful Atheist-American.
/am one too
/am one too
| lordargent | 2008-01-03 09:13:56 PM |
ZAZ: Google found a more detailed article on that obnoxious mainetoday web site that after loading the page replaces it with an error page if you are using Firefox and don't have javascript turned on.
Install noscript and disable meta redirects to remain firmly planted on the page.
Install noscript and disable meta redirects to remain firmly planted on the page.
| Kurmudgeon | 2008-01-03 10:28:01 PM |
Employee is fired for being insubordinate and not following direction. This isn't exactly a new thing, despite Mr. Anti-Claus's excuse.
| TehNacho
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2008-01-03 10:28:30 PM |
Wow, that is one hell of an inflammatory headline on fark.
1) Anti-Walmart
2) Atheism is involved
3) Christmas is involved
wow. +1 Subby.
1) Anti-Walmart
2) Atheism is involved
3) Christmas is involved
wow. +1 Subby.
| Rakishi | 2008-01-03 10:29:06 PM |
Brontes: Santa is hardly a Christian symbol. Just dress up, make kids happy, and have a good time.
Exactly.
Exactly.
| frolo | 2008-01-03 10:29:36 PM |
GET OFF OUR COUNTRY
| theoneontheleft | 2008-01-03 10:30:13 PM |
What does being an atheist have to do with not dressing up as Santa?
| mikaloyd | 2008-01-03 10:30:25 PM |
5000_gallons_of_toothpaste: They should fire any adults working for them who DO still believe in Santa.
Aye, and for similar reasons FARK should hand out free TF to anyone who reads the articles before posting.
Aye, and for similar reasons FARK should hand out free TF to anyone who reads the articles before posting.
| M-G | 2008-01-03 10:31:09 PM |
What if he had said he was Christian and he felt Santa was disparaging to his religious holiday?
| CowboyNinjaD | 2008-01-03 10:32:27 PM |
Good, I'd think he'd have his hands full editing The Dark Knight at this point anyway.
| overlord | 2008-01-03 10:32:46 PM |
What if they had wanted him to dress up in some other kind of costume and go outside and entertain people. Was that what he was hired to do?
| mikaloyd | 2008-01-03 10:33:28 PM |
theoneontheleft: What does being an atheist have to do with not dressing up as Santa?
Dunno, will aetheists dress up as something untrue for halloween?
Dunno, will aetheists dress up as something untrue for halloween?
| Wulph | 2008-01-03 10:34:14 PM |
My dad died trying to stuff himself down a chimney once, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.
| DistendedPendulusFrenulum | 2008-01-03 10:34:26 PM |
STupid. Santa doesn't know Jesus personally; all he ever gets is His personal assistant.
.
.
| iawai | 2008-01-03 10:34:59 PM |
Brontes: Santa is hardly a Christian symbol. Just dress up, make kids happy, and have a good time. He should have said, "No, you don't give me good health insurance and kids are a major disease vector, so no."
But the rejection to do so, based on "religious" beliefs, should not be reason for dismissal. That's the issue here. If it was someone fired for believing in Jesus, or whatever other religious personification, there would be a little outrage.
But the rejection to do so, based on "religious" beliefs, should not be reason for dismissal. That's the issue here. If it was someone fired for believing in Jesus, or whatever other religious personification, there would be a little outrage.
| Doggie McNugget | 2008-01-03 10:36:08 PM |
There NO WAY Santa can visit every house in the world in just one night. Anyone who believes that crap is a farking idiot. I've got science on my side.
| mistahtom | 2008-01-03 10:36:19 PM |
Shouldn't Mal-Wart have people dress up as santa that actually want to dress up as santa? I mean, if you changed santa to woman, would this incite the same hatred against Atheists? No, but it would incite the same magnitude of hatred
| JQPublic
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2008-01-03 10:37:02 PM |
Asshole Christians, STFU, you are not being persecuted!
| Wulph | 2008-01-03 10:37:42 PM |
Doggie McNugget: There NO WAY Santa can visit every house in the world in just one night. Anyone who believes that crap is a farking idiot. I've got science on my side.
Of course not. He skips all the little Jewish boys' and girls' houses.
/Duh.
Of course not. He skips all the little Jewish boys' and girls' houses.
/Duh.
| iawai | 2008-01-03 10:37:49 PM |
mikaloyd: theoneontheleft: What does being an atheist have to do with not dressing up as Santa?
Dunno, will aetheists dress up as something untrue for halloween?
That isn't exactly perpetuating a lie to children the world over, it's known 'pretend'.
Dunno, will aetheists dress up as something untrue for halloween?
That isn't exactly perpetuating a lie to children the world over, it's known 'pretend'.
| Onelith | 2008-01-03 10:38:16 PM |
I don't think he was hired to dress up as Santa. I don't think he would have taken that job.
And something tells me if your boss has you dress up in a costume for a few weeks, you might just say no.
And something tells me if your boss has you dress up in a costume for a few weeks, you might just say no.
| dennysgod | 2008-01-03 10:38:21 PM |
Usually I find atheist just as annoying and whinny as fundies, but I guess in the case he could have a point. Could be similar to firing a Muslim for refusing to dress up like McGruff the Crime Dog.
| bluebull40 | 2008-01-03 10:38:32 PM |
How many fat-asses work in Wal-Mart? Couldn't they just ask another indentured servant employee to dress as Santa?
And what the hell is wrong with this guy that he couldn't dress as Santa? "Oh I'm an atheist!!!" Get over yourself douche.
And what the hell is wrong with this guy that he couldn't dress as Santa? "Oh I'm an atheist!!!" Get over yourself douche.
| kilgorn | 2008-01-03 10:38:58 PM |
Funny how you never see these suits filed against
Fred's Hardware Store...
/wonder why
Fred's Hardware Store...
/wonder why
| Jim_Callahan | 2008-01-03 10:38:59 PM |
Kurmudgeon: Employee is fired for being insubordinate and not following direction. This isn't exactly a new thing, despite Mr. Anti-Claus's excuse.
Depends what his contract terms were. If 'be a mascot upon request' was part of it, he's in trouble, otherwise I'm fairly certain that you're not allowed to terminate a contract for refusal to perform a duty notdescribed in said document.
That said, the Santa thing probably had fark-all to do with the reason he was fired. In fact, I'd say that's fairly likely given the fairly friendly response to his refusal described in the bit ZAZ found. Asshat going after the people with money rather than the people at fault, as usual. Maybe he can hire Edwards to represent him ater this whole president thing falls through.
Depends what his contract terms were. If 'be a mascot upon request' was part of it, he's in trouble, otherwise I'm fairly certain that you're not allowed to terminate a contract for refusal to perform a duty notdescribed in said document.
That said, the Santa thing probably had fark-all to do with the reason he was fired. In fact, I'd say that's fairly likely given the fairly friendly response to his refusal described in the bit ZAZ found. Asshat going after the people with money rather than the people at fault, as usual. Maybe he can hire Edwards to represent him ater this whole president thing falls through.
| Loren | 2008-01-03 10:40:08 PM |
What sort of stupidity is this?? Dressing up in a Santa suit has nothing to do with belief in anything!
| EZRyder645 | 2008-01-03 10:40:15 PM |
Wulph: My dad died trying to stuff himself down a chimney once, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.
Is filled with win. I give you Kudos.
/I just can't feed them to you after midnight.
Is filled with win. I give you Kudos.
/I just can't feed them to you after midnight.
| heinousjay | 2008-01-03 10:40:35 PM |
Jesus. They meant Jesus. Not Santa Claus. Jesus and Santa Claus are totally different.
| Rakishi | 2008-01-03 10:41:47 PM |
iawai: But the rejection to do so, based on "religious" beliefs, should not be reason for dismissal. That's the issue here. If it was someone fired for believing in Jesus, or whatever other religious personification, there would be a little outrage.
Except his religious beliefs (or lack thereof) say nothing about dressing up as santa clause. NO ONE who dresses up as santa clause actually believes in him and yet that doesn't stop them from doing so. Someone who dresses up as mickey mouse doesn't believe the bloody mouse actually exists in reality even if some of the kids may.
If I asked a Muslim to pain a picture of Mohammad they could argue it's against their religion. If I asked a Christian they could not because their religion says nothing about such things.
Except his religious beliefs (or lack thereof) say nothing about dressing up as santa clause. NO ONE who dresses up as santa clause actually believes in him and yet that doesn't stop them from doing so. Someone who dresses up as mickey mouse doesn't believe the bloody mouse actually exists in reality even if some of the kids may.
If I asked a Muslim to pain a picture of Mohammad they could argue it's against their religion. If I asked a Christian they could not because their religion says nothing about such things.
| JohnReddy | 2008-01-03 10:42:57 PM |
Why will it take up to two years to investigate this case? Two months seems excessive.
| EZRyder645 | 2008-01-03 10:42:59 PM |
mistahtom: Shouldn't Mal-Wart have people dress up as santa that actually want to dress up as santa?
then all mall santas would be pedophiles. Then Dateline would have to get involved. And when Chris Hansen asked Santa to please sit in the chair, he'd already be seated. Plus, who can arrest Santa during X-Mas time.
then all mall santas would be pedophiles. Then Dateline would have to get involved. And when Chris Hansen asked Santa to please sit in the chair, he'd already be seated. Plus, who can arrest Santa during X-Mas time.
| hankhorsey | 2008-01-03 10:45:07 PM |
Hmm. At first I thought it was a Lebonese guy they fired for not dressing up in a Santa suit, which I thought was total crap. Turns out it's a guy from Lebenon Maine. Still crap.
Apparently no one else stepped up to take the suit. Are they all fired too?
Apparently no one else stepped up to take the suit. Are they all fired too?
| skinink | 2008-01-03 10:45:47 PM |
He should have offered to dress up as a Sanity Clause.
| A_bomb37 | 2008-01-03 10:45:57 PM |
Santa as a relegious icon can be argued. What with the 'Jolly Old St. Nick' alias Santa gets in North America at the least. But yeah, unless his contract said anything about having to dress up at any time in any costume then his firing was illegal.
| Mr. Gunn | 2008-01-03 10:46:54 PM |
So where does it talk about Santa Claus in the Bible? Oh, that's right, it doesn't, they appropriated a pagan figure as a saint to ease the conversion process, like they did for every other major holiday as well.
| iawai | 2008-01-03 10:47:08 PM |
kilgorn: Funny how you never see these suits filed against
Fred's Hardware Store...
/wonder why
because no "Fred" is tyrannical enough as Sam Walton or Tom Monaghan (new window) to start the inter-state chain store.
Fred's Hardware Store...
/wonder why
because no "Fred" is tyrannical enough as Sam Walton or Tom Monaghan (new window) to start the inter-state chain store.
| Alex Chilton | 2008-01-03 10:47:13 PM |
Santa Claus hats are the tinfoil hats Christians use to keep atheists out of their brain waves.
| Wulph | 2008-01-03 10:49:53 PM |
Santa Claus: A money-making deception imposed on millions of gullible souls with ritualistic indoctrination.
Christianity: A money-making deception imposed on millions of gullible souls with ritualistic indoctrination.
Are we seeing any correlation yet?
Christianity: A money-making deception imposed on millions of gullible souls with ritualistic indoctrination.
Are we seeing any correlation yet?
| mikaloyd | 2008-01-03 10:50:46 PM |
iawai: mikaloyd: theoneontheleft: What does being an atheist have to do with not dressing up as Santa?
Dunno, will aetheists dress up as something untrue for halloween?
That isn't exactly perpetuating a lie to children the world over, it's known 'pretend'.
So if a kid sees you in your Madelaine Murray O Hare suit and starts crying you stop and comfort the kid and tell her it isnt real?
Dunno, will aetheists dress up as something untrue for halloween?
That isn't exactly perpetuating a lie to children the world over, it's known 'pretend'.
So if a kid sees you in your Madelaine Murray O Hare suit and starts crying you stop and comfort the kid and tell her it isnt real?
| iawai | 2008-01-03 10:50:52 PM |
Rakishi: iawai: But the rejection to do so, based on "religious" beliefs, should not be reason for dismissal. That's the issue here. If it was someone fired for believing in Jesus, or whatever other religious personification, there would be a little outrage.
Except his religious beliefs (or lack thereof) say nothing about dressing up as santa clause. NO ONE who dresses up as santa clause actually believes in him and yet that doesn't stop them from doing so. Someone who dresses up as mickey mouse doesn't believe the bloody mouse actually exists in reality even if some of the kids may.
If I asked a Muslim to pain a picture of Mohammad they could argue it's against their religion. If I asked a Christian they could not because their religion says nothing about such things.
Though Santa Claus has no religious meaning today, you must remember the background of St. Nicholas. Still, Santa remains a symbol of Christmas, a Christian holy-day.
Except his religious beliefs (or lack thereof) say nothing about dressing up as santa clause. NO ONE who dresses up as santa clause actually believes in him and yet that doesn't stop them from doing so. Someone who dresses up as mickey mouse doesn't believe the bloody mouse actually exists in reality even if some of the kids may.
If I asked a Muslim to pain a picture of Mohammad they could argue it's against their religion. If I asked a Christian they could not because their religion says nothing about such things.
Though Santa Claus has no religious meaning today, you must remember the background of St. Nicholas. Still, Santa remains a symbol of Christmas, a Christian holy-day.
| UrinalPooper | 2008-01-03 10:51:02 PM |
I'm an atheist who dresses up as Santa every Christmas so I'm really getting a kick...
| a7u | 2008-01-03 10:51:49 PM |
I didn't even know Wal-Mart would hire someone from Lebanon. Are there a lot of them in Maine?
| AlgertMan | 2008-01-03 10:52:16 PM |
seems to me he was fired for not doing the job he was asked to do.
| EZRyder645 | 2008-01-03 10:53:19 PM |
iawai: because no "Fred" is tyrannical enough as Sam Walton or Tom Monaghan (new window) to start the inter-state chain store.
This sentence is filled with lots of fail.
This sentence is filled with lots of fail.
| iawai | 2008-01-03 10:53:20 PM |
mikaloyd: Madelaine Murray O Hare
I had to look her up, but no, I wouldn't console the kid, I'd tell his parent to Explain it to him.
I had to look her up, but no, I wouldn't console the kid, I'd tell his parent to Explain it to him.
| Colour_out_of_Space | 2008-01-03 10:54:43 PM |
kilgorn: Funny how you never see these suits filed against
Fred's Hardware Store...
/wonder why
That's because old Fred still wears the suit himself, like he has for the last 30 years.
Fred's Hardware Store...
/wonder why
That's because old Fred still wears the suit himself, like he has for the last 30 years.
| iawai | 2008-01-03 10:55:04 PM |
EZRyder645: iawai: because no "Fred" is tyrannical enough as Sam Walton or Tom Monaghan (new window) to start the inter-state chain store.
This sentence is filled with lots of fail.
no it wasn't. I said that it takes a certain type of person to make a Wal-mart (or Domino's), and you end up with policies in the stores that reflect the wills of the owners. get it?
This sentence is filled with lots of fail.
no it wasn't. I said that it takes a certain type of person to make a Wal-mart (or Domino's), and you end up with policies in the stores that reflect the wills of the owners. get it?
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