Meh. It's not the sample, it's the producer

They have to go to the Beatles library because they have already sampled everything else. Only way left to avoid being derivative of a derivative.

Whites "stole" the music from blacks and now blacks are "stealing" it back...when will this transitive black-on-black crime end?

excellent - another reason to not listen to rap

You think THAT'S something?



Just wait 'til Deep Sunshine starts working with The Beatles' music.

That Beatles track is probably one of the weakest tracks on an otherwise amazing Wu-Tang album.

Megain: excellent - another reason to not listen to rap

Listen to the Grey Album and get back to me.

Cracked Pepper is probably the best of the Beatles mashups...

see, all these "attractive and successful Caucasian-Americans" keep threatening to stop listening to rap because they hate it so much... but they can't seem to stop discussing it.

hurry up and leave it alone already. yes, we rap fans get it...you HATE our music. splendid. "you can has an opinion." again, you said you're leaving? LEAVE already.

hip hop music wasn't made for you to like. neither was sitar music. go biatch about ravi shankar for a while, because your righteous indignation at our music has been duly noted.

quite frankly, i'd prefer it if none of you attractive and successful caucasian-americans enjoyed it at all. you liked rhythm and blues... and you gave us pat boone. you liked jazz... and now we have dave koz and kenny g. every musical genre you co-opt is ruined shortly thereafter.

we'll keep our hip hop, you keep your cultural hemlock. deal?

j.r.20k: go biatch about ravi shankar for a while, because your righteous indignation at our music has been duly noted.

I would biatch about him but his daughter is kinda hot.

So I see that rappers still havent learned to write music or play their own instrumetnts yet. Hmmmm.....

Maybe that could be their New Years Resolution. That, or quit shooting people.

That would be good too.

TheBlackFlag: So I see that rappers still havent learned to write music or play their own instrumetnts yet. Hmmmm.....

Maybe that could be their New Years Resolution. That, or quit shooting people.

That would be good too.


I don't mind if they shoot people.

/As long as those people are also rappers

Katastrfee: TheBlackFlag: So I see that rappers still havent learned to write music or play their own instrumetnts yet. Hmmmm.....

Maybe that could be their New Years Resolution. That, or quit shooting people.

That would be good too.


I don't mind if they shoot people.

/As long as those people are also rappers

************

I stand corrected.

You are, of course correct, sir.

What about us ugly and poor Caucasian-Americans? Can we still listen to rap?

Dollar, Dollar bills!

Eazy E banged more sluts than there are stars in the sky and Paul McCartney cant even get a biatch with both her legs. Discuss.

suicide: Eazy E banged more sluts than there are stars in the sky and Paul McCartney cant even get a biatch with both her legs. Discuss.

Of course, Paul McCartney didn't die of AIDS. Guess Easy should have wrapped it up a little tighter.

Funny how caucasians have come up with a pack of shiatty music from BAD country to bubblegum pop, yet because they can't figure out that there's something called ALTERNATIVE HIP HOP, and not every rap song samples other artist, they jump into the LOLZ RAP IS TEH GHEY wagon!!

At least even the rappers that sample tracks use them as the beat of the song, changing the pitch and whatnot; meanwhile caucasians musicians take whole genres of music and turn them into garbage

/I do like Neil young
//And Aesop Rock
///Keep stealin' black music
////And turnin into garbage

Cyxneo: At least even the rappers that sample tracks use them as the beat of the song, changing the pitch and whatnot;

Yes, because that is so very difficult to do in this day and age.

Thing is, most rap and hip hop does suck simply because of the sampling. There are some amazing hip hop artists out there that actually play their own instruments and write original backing tracks instead of just sampling an existing piece that everyone knows and can immediately identify with for profit. Heck, many Wyclef songs use samples, but he is at least talented enough to re-record them in his own style. He doesn't just take the sample and simply change the pitch and the 'whatnots'.

Sadly, most popular hip hop artists take the latter approach, because they can't be bothered to actually pour their talent into a new track or album. They would rather just call their lawyers and tell them to acquire the rights to use a particular hit song from the past. That way, they can have the sample be the hook and carry the whole track, while they talk about how rich and cool they are during each verse.

Prince of Pluto: What about us ugly and poor Caucasian-Americans? Can we still listen to rap?

The Department for Populace Beautification hasn't come to your house yet? When they arrive, don't attempt to struggle or escape. It's for your own good.

this is exactly why everyone hates rap music. they take something classic that should NOT be touched and make it crappy as hell. way to ruin classic music, along with everything else they try to do. just give up now. rap sucks.

suicide: Eazy E banged more sluts than there are stars in the sky and Paul McCartney cant even get a biatch with both her legs. Discuss.

One of those sluts was Dr. Dre according to Ice Cube ("No Vaseline").

Cotton Rinkenbolts: Sadly, most popular hip hop artists take the latter approach, because they can't be bothered to actually pour their talent into a new track or album. They would rather just call their lawyers and tell them to acquire the rights to use a particular hit song from the past. That way, they can have the sample be the hook and carry the whole track, while they talk about how rich and cool they are during each verse.
I always wondered how despite most hip-hop sounding like it was composed on Playskool keyboard they'd somehow manage to spend the hundreds of thousands of dollars the labels advance them. Then I realised it a bulk of it probably came to clearing samples.


Personally, I don't mind samples... but take the Puff Daddy route and just copy the track but paste your vocals on top.

Me: but take the Puff Daddy route
but DON'T take....

Sherjo311: this is exactly why everyone hates rap music. they take something classic that should NOT be touched and make it crappy as hell. way to ruin classic music, along with everything else they try to do. just give up now. rap sucks.

yeah "they." because attractive and successful caucasians have never ruined anything - especially a form of music.

like it or not, collage is a form of art. you don't like how hip hop de-constructs/reconstructs your "classical" music? too bad. your sacred cows are the next man's cheeseburger deluxe. again, hip-hop was never made to appeal to your delicate sensibilities to begin with.

http://j.r.20k/
quite frankly, i'd prefer it if none of you attractive and successful caucasian-americans enjoyed it at all. you liked rhythm and blues... and you gave us pat boone. you liked jazz... and now we have dave koz and kenny g. every musical genre you co-opt is ruined shortly thereafter.

Ummm, yeah we'll get on that as soon as Puff Daddy expands the genre to it's true artistic heights...

j.r.20k: Sherjo311: this is exactly why everyone hates rap music. they take something classic that should NOT be touched and make it crappy as hell. way to ruin classic music, along with everything else they try to do. just give up now. rap sucks.

yeah "they." because attractive and successful caucasians have never ruined anything - especially a form of music.

like it or not, collage is a form of art. you don't like how hip hop de-constructs/reconstructs your "classical" music? too bad. your sacred cows are the next man's cheeseburger deluxe. again, hip-hop was never made to appeal to your delicate sensibilities to begin with.

Ignorant much?

Fousse:
Ummm, yeah we'll get on that as soon as Puff Daddy expands the genre to it's true artistic heights...

no you wont. you'll suck the life out of the next genre of music your teenagers find trendy until its ruined too. listening to "attractive and successful caucasian americans" preach on the sacred virtue of original music is akin to listening to cookie monster lecturing on table manners.

puff daddy and his ilk will make the crappy music he makes, and the talented rappers & producers will continue to make their music... all the while unabated by the wishes of hypocrites who deem their efforts unworthy. why? because contrary to the narrow perceptions of some, rap is a form of artistic expression... and nobody has ever been able to suppress one of those with whining, biatching, and complaining.

devilslefthand:

Ignorant much?

shooting the messenger? let me know when i say something that isn't true.

like it or not, collage is a form of art. you don't like how hip hop de-constructs/reconstructs your "classical" music? too bad. your sacred cows are the next man's cheeseburger deluxe. again, hip-hop was never made to appeal to your delicate sensibilities to begin with.

THIS.

On a side note, I challenge any of you to figure out the original tracks I sampled for each of these beats I made.

My Beats (new window)

Challenge especially goes out to you hip-hop haters who think that P-Diddle is a defining persona in the art form. Not all hip-hop is about taking a recognized song and changing a word or two in the hook.

Good luck.

BTW...before anyone says anything...the vocals are not mine...it's a remix of another artist's music. Beat is mine, acapella is theirs.

Maybe white people ruined black music from back in the day, but today the "black" music is absolutely atrocious. So make a point jr20k, and I'll counter with "chingy". Make another point, I'll counter with "liljon". In fact, I've got about a hundred ironclad retorts so you'd better get your list ready.
In a lot of ways, rap died with biggie. Relisten to the lyrics of "gimmie the loot" and tell me anything that's 1/10th as good since. Samples aren't the problem. HS-dropout level lyrics are the problem. These guys can barely talk, and they'll all end up broke, dead, or both. They should be kissing producers' asses because the beat is what makes a song today. Lyrics don't matter.
So jr, white people may have ripped off MUSIC, but who are you blaming for the abortion that is the state of the rap lyric in the 21st century.
/bbbbbbbbbuuttttt Common/Kweli/DP...
/rattlling off artists doesn't prove a point.

I farking hate Michael Jackson just a bit more today, if that's possible.

Also, the article keeps saying shiat like: "In fact, Sony/ATV is not contractually required to obtain approval by John Lennon's widow, Yoko Ono, or by McCartney before it can license the compositions, but Bandier says he believes there is a "moral obligation" to speak with them about licensing the songs".

Which to me reads like: "Oooh look how responsible we are, we will only use our corporate powers for good (But we reserve the legal right to be immoral, always.)"

It's a complete puff piece article that doesn't mention the very newsworthy tidbit that MJ outbid his supposed best friend and fellow artist for control of his own life's work. That was still one of the lowest things I've seen someone do that wasn't a criminal act.

You know who would be a better steward of their musical legacy? The musicians themselves.

/bah, shouldn't have read this, it always winds me up.

whydoIlovethevikings:

...make a point jr20k, and I'll counter with "chingy". Make another point, I'll counter with "liljon". In fact, I've got about a hundred ironclad retorts so you'd better get your list ready...

...bbbbbbbbbuuttttt Common/Kweli/DP...
/rattlling off artists doesn't prove a point.

That's a perfectly logical and non-contradictory argument you've made there.

whydoIlovethevikings: Maybe white people ruined black music from back in the day, but today the "black" music is absolutely atrocious. So make a point jr20k, and I'll counter with "chingy". Make another point, I'll counter with "liljon". In fact, I've got about a hundred ironclad retorts so you'd better get your list ready.
In a lot of ways, rap died with biggie. Relisten to the lyrics of "gimmie the loot" and tell me anything that's 1/10th as good since. Samples aren't the problem. HS-dropout level lyrics are the problem. These guys can barely talk, and they'll all end up broke, dead, or both. They should be kissing producers' asses because the beat is what makes a song today. Lyrics don't matter.
So jr, white people may have ripped off MUSIC, but who are you blaming for the abortion that is the state of the rap lyric in the 21st century.
/bbbbbbbbbuuttttt Common/Kweli/DP...
/rattlling off artists doesn't prove a point.


interesting that "rattling off artists doesn't prove a point," but the first paragraph of your response did just that. by your standard, rattling off names is invalid unless its in support of *your* beliefs. got it. i'll be sure to do as you say and not as you do moving forward.

as far as the "abortion" goes... what do you care? it's not YOUR baby being aborted with those lyrics. the abortion is a product of a "attractive and successful caucasian american" rape. fathers of raped children don't have a say in how the baby is raised.

i'm sorry if chingy doesn't speak to you... he doesn't speak to me either. he DOES however speak to the mall trolling teenaged girls that buy his records. they create the demand, his ilk is the supply. unless you're prepared to dismantle the market economy in order to protect your favorite music's precious hymen, keep it moving.

Good work detective retards, I was making a point through IRONY.
JR, so now you're saying that white girls with disposible income are the reason rap sucks, not the droves of lazy, uneducated, urban "ballers" out there?
Not sure how babies being raped makes your point peremptory, but then again, you don't really have a point, do you? Otherwise, why would you waste your time arguing that a genre that is 98% black has been ruined by "the man"?
/look out, the man is coming to get you, with his manditory education and reading skills. RUN!
//nothing would make JR happier than not knowing the answer to your question. "I DON'T KNOW THAT SHT, JR! I'M KEEPING IT REAL!!"

whydoIlovethevikings: Good work detective retards, I was making a point through IRONY.

no you weren't. even the evidence you used to support your argument name-dropped a rapper (biggie). so again, using a specific person to make your point *is* ok, so long as the point that is being made is yours. hypocrite.

whydoIlovethevikings: JR, so now you're saying that white girls with disposible income are the reason rap sucks, not the droves of lazy, uneducated, urban "ballers" out there?

yes. thats is what i'm saying. some people make records that will net them record deals. record labels sign and promote acts that appeal to the people with money to spend on their product. if ashley, miley and her brace-faced friends kicking it outside of hot topic stopped listening to vapid music tomorrow, record companies wouldn't sell it. purveyors of that brand music would be out of business. this is my point. i'd appreciate it if you stopped insisting that i haven't made one.

by the way... if you think this is only a hip-hop related phenomenon, you haven't been paying attention to popular music in the last 50 years. "attractive and successful caucasian-americans" have never contributed to the pool of tiresome and meaningless music? sure.


whydoIlovethevikings: Not sure how babies being raped makes your point peremptory, but then again, you don't really have a point, do you?

the notion of raping mothers and then criticizing the way the children of rape are being raised is an addendum to the metaphor that YOU introduced:
"but who are you blaming for the abortion that is the state of the rap lyric in the 21st century."

whydoIlovethevikings:Otherwise, why would you waste your time arguing that a genre that is 98% black has been ruined by "the man"?


why? because "the man" has a track record of ruining genres of music. yes, "you people" ruined jazz and R&B. "you people" didn't think our ideas were respectable or non-threatening enough for your children to listen to, so "you people" de-clawed them.

fark your approval, "attractive and successful caucasian americans." we never wanted it for hip hop.

personally, i *absolutely* don't want approval from you, sir. so save your personal insults about literacy and "keeping it real" for someone who thinks your esteem is a worthy pursuit. it's not.

Puke.

Cheap soda dressing itself in fine liquor.

It will all be forgotten.

That article had too many words in it... Would someone be so kind as to summarize?

You heard him, attractive and successful Caucasian-Americans!
Back to your country clubs and gated communities!
Leave the glamorization of violence, misogyny, and avarice to the experts.

Eye for an eye, generalization for a generalization.

is this where i make my comments about rape music im mean rap music being horrible.

maybe if these rappers learned how to play music instruments instead of killing each other or of thinking of clever slang terms for blowing your load on a girls chest people would have more respect for them.

Prince of Pluto: You heard him, attractive and successful Caucasian-Americans!
Back to your country clubs and gated communities!
Leave the glamorization of violence, misogyny, and avarice to the experts.

Eye for an eye, generalization for a generalization.


so hop to it, already.
you keep promising to leave those things to us, but you never do. whats the hold-up? oh yeah... we don't have the market on avarice cornered, do we? let me know when *we* do something foul that "you people" haven't mastered already.

Kenthehillwilliam: is this where i make my comments about rape music im mean rap music being horrible.

maybe if these rappers learned how to play music instruments instead of killing each other or of thinking of clever slang terms for blowing your load on a girls chest people would have more respect for them.


and we should want your respect... why?

j.r.20k: quite frankly, i'd prefer it if none of you attractive and successful caucasian-americans enjoyed it at all. you liked rhythm and blues... and you gave us pat boone The Who. (picking a bad exponent of any genre is easy)

I read Fark regularly but you're one of the worst racists I've come across. Maybe you should take a lesson from those Beatles TFA talks about, who were musically colourblind and got in turn covered by other artists - some of whom were black!

Don't think a white guy can never play the blues, an asian play Bach, or a black woman sing opera.

/if you're a troll, I totally fell for it

Ilmarinen: j.r.20k: quite frankly, i'd prefer it if none of you attractive and successful caucasian-americans enjoyed it at all. you liked rhythm and blues... and you gave us pat boone The Who. (picking a bad exponent of any genre is easy)

I read Fark regularly but you're one of the worst racists I've come across. Maybe you should take a lesson from those Beatles TFA talks about, who were musically colourblind and got in turn covered by other artists - some of whom were black!

Don't think a white guy can never play the blues, an asian play Bach, or a black woman sing opera.

/if you're a troll, I totally fell for it



picking poor exponents would be impossible if there were no exponents to select... but we didn't have much of a choice, did we? "you people" just take. you always just take. then you shake your heads, click your tongues and call us thieves and criminals.

when we do to your music what "you people" have been doing to ours for a century, we are villified and mocked (see: thread title). then you have the nerve to be offended and call us racists when we call you out for it? the audacity.

by the way...

i *DO* think a white guy can play the blues, asians play Bach, and black woman can sing opera. i'm a fan of HIP-HOP - the genre of music that has invited mixing and matching of vastly disparate sounds and ideas like no other in history. the racist trolling (always in quotes, if you notice) has always been intended to highlight the condescention that WE have to endure when listening to criticisms from self-righteous white people.

ugly, isn't it?

Its always great to see people using the lowest common denominator (plus outdated slang) when talking about hip hop. Reminds me of when Lawrence Welk fans picked the most obvious and least important thing (haircuts) when mocking the Beatles.

Yeah well, you should visit some past Led Zeppelin threads if you want to see white folks get called thieves.

And what you seem to mean by "your music" doesn't make sense. Not everything that white people made is "my" music because I happen to have that colour. If somebody says something bad about hiphop, it's (generally) not directed at a race, but at the artists.

Persecution complex?

/going to sleep; it's late this side of the pond

Ilmarinen: If somebody says something bad about hiphop, it's (generally) not directed at a race, but at the artists.


no offense, but i knew you weren't american based on that comment alone. yes, it's different here. american hip-hop acts are about 98% black and latino... therein lies the persecution complex.

I think everybody should just stay the hell out of any Fark rap thread, ever.

No matter what goddamn color you are.

These are equally as stupid and pointless and sad as most of the politics threads.

But do check out that Wu-Tang album. It's really trippy, so much so that a few of the
guys on it are trying to distance themselves from it, but they shouldn't--it's nice.
"Stick Me For My Riches" is a standout track.

j.r.20k: yes, it's different here. american hip-hop acts are about 98% black and latino craptastic


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