Don't taze me, bro!

I'm sorry, but that sounds like one seriously screwed up bar.

Just right for seriously screwed up patrons ;)

What retard is going to pay $250 for a bottle of Vodka? Sneak a bottle in if you want to go to the place that bad.

Sneak a bottle in if you want to go to the place that bad.

What kind of beating would result for getting caught?

While the bar in this story is ridiculous, on behalf of bar staff everywhere, tip.

star_miner: What kind of beating would result for getting caught?

When I bounced, I'd give the patrons a choice. Whether it was weed, a bottle, etc., I told them they could keep it and leave or give it to me and stay. Got a few goodies that way.

Dusk-You-n-Me: While the bar in this story is ridiculous, on behalf of bar staff everywhere, tip.

They probably left out the part where the four girls he was with ordered tap water with lemon slices.

Dusk-You-n-Me:

When I bounced, I'd give the patrons a choice. Whether it was weed, a bottle, etc., I told them they could keep it and leave or give it to me and stay. Got a few goodies that way.

Cool....

The starbucks girls are pretty easy in Seattle, actually.

I think its a bit over the top to buy booze at that price, good is good but there is a reasonable limit. So I think he is a bit pretntious. But you cannot beat a person you think is not paying enough on the bill. I hope he gets every penny of the 2 million.

-If a place has such a ridiculous policy, it'd better be a huge-ass poster right over the front door saying so! Forcing him to withdraw $ from an ATM? How is that not robbery?

Dusk-You-n-Me: While the bar in this story is ridiculous, on behalf of bar staff everywhere, tip.

For $350 for a bottle of vodka, they can goddamn well tip themselves.

If the ATM camera has the two people that took him to the ATM he will probably own the bar.

Dusk-You-n-Me
While the bar in this story is ridiculous, on behalf of bar staff everywhere, tip.


Tips are not mandatory, but only a recognition of a job well done.

That's what you get for being the kind of douchebag who pays $350 for a bottle of vodka.

They didn't even say what the vodka was...

The charges were dismissed.

I wish there was more explanation on why.

bmr68: Tips are not mandatory, but only a recognition of a job well done.

How well done does the job have to be before you will tip? That satement sounds like you are rationalizing being cheap and (almost) never tipping. Also sounds like you were never in a service industry that involved tipping.

Mr. Pink doesn't tip anyway...



/Fark starbucks and ALL the shops that want tips just for doing their jobs - if you don't make enough money, get another job.

What was the $1400 she had already charged for? BJs all around?

$2 million is too little to sue for. This bar probably does $2 million in sales in 3 months.

That's what you get for going to the Times Square area to drink. When people come to NYC I try to tell them it's all a big tourist trap. The college students aren't any more savvy I guess. He shoulda just stayed in the NYU area.

Theft of services?

What?

And yet another business learns that their house rules do not supercede a person's rights and potections under the law. I hope he sues that pretentious over-priced crap hole out of existence.

Drawist: Fark starbucks and ALL the shops that want tips just for doing their jobs - if you don't make enough money, get another job.

You get frog-marched to ATM's a lot, don't you?

johnny_vegas
bmr68: Tips are not mandatory, but only a recognition of a job well done.

How well done does the job have to be before you will tip? That satement sounds like you are rationalizing being cheap and (almost) never tipping. Also sounds like you were never in a service industry that involved tipping.


Nope I always tip at least 20%.I have left smaller tips if the server/waiter/bartender was rude.I never punish if its busy and they are in the weeds.

Dusk-You-n-Me: While the bar in this story is ridiculous, on behalf of bar staff everywhere, tip.

Yay! Another tipping thread. I'm in the "just raise prices by 15% and let the business determine how much to pay their employees" crowd. Go ahead, pretend that means I'm a cheap bastard. But while you're at it, answer this for me...

The waitress's income can safely be presumed to be tip based. Some restaurants share the tips with kitchen staff, etc. We'll assume the restaurant in question does not. Only the waitress gets a share of the tips.

I ask for no mushrooms on my meal, but it comes with mushrooms anyhow. Maybe the chef wasn't paying attention, or maybe the waitress forgot to tell him. If it's the waitress's fault, it's customary to reduce her tip for screwing up. If the chef is at fault, I have no mechanism to punish him.

Aside from the unfair advantage this practice gives to lazy chefs, how do I determine whether or not to stiff on the tip? I don't want to accidentally blame the waitress for something she didn't do, but I also don't want to reward her for sucking at her job.

bmr68: Tips are not mandatory, but only a recognition of a job well done.

You might want to drag yourself into the 2000's before you head off to a bar or restaurant, old chum. Tipping is pretty much mandatory unless you plan to never return. I know - life sucks and it ain't fair, but that's life in America.

Hey Japan Farkers: Is tipping still uncommon in the Land of the Rising Sun, or has this disease spread there too?

The issue was not that he did not tip; the way he was being treated he should not tip. They over charged him, tried to do so even more then demand a tip. The bouncers should be facing assult charges, the waitress theft charges and the bar should be closed until the investigation or thier court case is complete. They will pony up the 2 million in a heart beat becuase if they are closed for 3 months to a year while they negotiate a settlement they would loose more and even be out of buisness.

Scutter: For $350 for a bottle of vodka, they can goddamn well tip themselves.

Indeed, this bar is ridiculous.

bmr68: Tips are not mandatory, but only a recognition of a job well done.

Innocent until proven guilty. Start off with a tip, and if I screw up, stop tipping. If you don't tip on your first drink, prepare to wait awhile for your second.

serial_crusher: But while you're at it, answer this for me...

The waitress's income can safely be presumed to be tip based.

I'll stop you right there. I work behind the bar, I'm not a waiter. That whole scenario isn't something I'd have to worry about.

And I really wasn't thinking when I mentioned tipping. I wasn't trying to turn this thread into one of those.

Number41: The charges were dismissed.

I wish there was more explanation on why.

He wouldn't (or couldn't) pay for vodka he didn't get. Nothing was stolen so how can he be found guilty of theft?

lajimi:
He wouldn't (or couldn't) pay for vodka he didn't get. Nothing was stolen so how can he be found guilty of theft?

Bingo. I doubt the "three bottle minimum" would stand up in court as a contract no matter how it was expressed. Even if this guy is a grade-A pretentious douche, John Fitzgerald Page himself, he deserves a big payout from these morons (I'd go for criminal charges against their 'roid-raging bouncers too, they sound like a menace 2 society).

serial_crusher:Go ahead, pretend that means I'm a cheap bastard. But while you're at it, answer this for me...

No, because then you'll find something else to biatch about. You're looking for an excuse not to pay, and you'll continue to argue your point in order to justify not paying money if you don't have to. No point in "making a stand" or acting like you're some type of martyr, arguing with you will only feed you the delusion that your point is arguable at all.

serial_crusher: Aside from the unfair advantage this practice gives to lazy chefs, how do I determine whether or not to stiff on the tip? I don't want to accidentally blame the waitress for something she didn't do, but I also don't want to reward her for sucking at her job.

The waitress is like a project manager. Among other things, it's her job to relay the customer's requests to those who can produce it. Since she's essentially the boss of this small job, it's her responsibility to see to it that the requests are satisfactorily met.

If my PM tells me to do something for the client and I fark it up, he's the one who will catch hell from the client, not me. Granted, I'll still get what's coming to me, but it'll be from him, not the client.

And that's as far into the Great Tipping Debate as I'm willing to wander.

Bars = scams anyways. Buy your vodka at Sam's and meet chicks online.

serial_crusher: I ask for no mushrooms on my meal, but it comes with mushrooms anyhow. Maybe the chef wasn't paying attention, or maybe the waitress forgot to tell him. If it's the waitress's fault, it's customary to reduce her tip for screwing up. If the chef is at fault, I have no mechanism to punish him.

This is something of a gray area, but your waitress is responsible for making sure the order comes to you as requested. If the cook forgot the mushrooms, your waitress should have the problem fixed before delivering it.

There's definitely more to this story than what's reported here.

\The server's attitude determines my tip

That bar looks douchtastic. I'll hang out at my dirty pub, thanks.

TheKnownUniverse: I'll hang out at my dirty pub, thanks.

Amen sister.

Wonder if he actually, he went to a "Down Low" brothel and didn't know it. Happened to me in Vegas when I was young. I walked in, paid a 20 dollar door charge, ordered a drink and the Mac truck working as a bartender asked who I wanted.

Me: What do you mean?
BT: Which girl do you want?
Me: Ummm...
BT: Pick a girl and buy a bottle.
Me: A bottle?
BT: yeah, those (pointing) are 200 dollars, those are 300 dollars... those are 500 dollars.
Me 500 dollars for a bottle?!?!?
BT: Yeah, the girls are free, but you have to buy a bottle.
Me: Umm..., what kind of place is this man?
BT: The girl at the door didn't explain?
Me: Explain what?

He looked at me like he was considering breaking my head for a second, but apparently he decided I really was a kid with no clue. He gave me my 20 dollars back and told me to take off, said the regular clubs were down the street. As I left he was chewing out the door girl.

Truth is, for a 6' 3" or 6' 4", 300lb+, bundle of muscle and mean he was actually a very cool guy who let me walk out with my legs unbroken. I felt very lucky. Minimum buys of hundreds of bucks sometimes implies other "services" it would be blatantly illegal to charge for openly, and once you are in... you are in.

I don't know but it very well could have been what happened here. Its not the sort of thing one forgets. ;)

How many patrons have been treated this way and didn't decide to take it public? Hopefully he owns them after the suit.

Eidolon: ... arguing with you will only feed you the delusion that your point is arguable at all.

And when that sentence rang out into the crisp, suddenly quiet winter air... Fark died.

Dusk-You-n-Me: star_miner: What kind of beating would result for getting caught?

When I bounced, I'd give the patrons a choice. Whether it was weed, a bottle, etc., I told them they could keep it and leave or give it to me and stay. Got a few goodies that way.

So "leaving the folks alone and focusing on my job" was beyond your capabilities? The weed I could understand for legal purposes. A bottle? Get over yourself.

IANAL...oh wait. I am a lawyer!

Based on what was in the article, this place is screwed. The unlawful acts committed by the waitress and the bouncers are the responsibility of the company that owns/operates the club.

And if the details in the article are correct, that company is hugely screwed.

serial_crusher: Realize the 15% tip is a deal. If the place had to raise prices to pay additional salary it would have to be raised closer to 50%, because of corporate taxes, workers comp, social security get their cut. Plus it would be much more difficult to encourage good staff over poor staff.

A friend of mine was at a place on the LES on Friday and a someone he was with paid $360 (plus $40 tip) for a bottle of Grey Goose. It's called "bottle service" and it let's everyone in the place know you have money to burn.

WFern: So "leaving the folks alone and focusing on my job" was beyond your capabilities? The weed I could understand for legal purposes. A bottle? Get over yourself.

Patrons are not allowed to bring their own alcohol into our bar. It's against the law. If the liquor commissioner makes a surprise inspection (which ours does with regularity), we get popped with a fine. Get over myself? It's part of my job.

Rodeodoc: Hey Japan Farkers: Is tipping still uncommon in the Land of the Rising Sun, or has this disease spread there too?

Was there just last week. Nope, still no sign of tipping becoming anything near the norm in Japan; yet service is still exceptional. What does it say about America if the only motivation for people to do a good job is the promise of a tip? What happened to what's specified as your job requirements?

Andrael: I don't know but it very well could have been what happened here.

It pretty clearly wasn't. The dispute wasn't over the price of booze, it was over the "three-bottle minimum".

And it doesn't matter what the dispute is, assault is still assault. The bouncers had no right to beat him. The bouncers should be there to maintain order, not extort money.

Serious question for the NYC farkers:

Did the mob take over the clubs in NYC? I have read a couple of semi-extortion stories related to NYC bars.