Submitter finds war crimes and corruption to be funny?

submitter: Leftey activists in Vermont want Bush and Cheney arrested for war crimes; their statements drowned out by waves of hysterical laughter rising from Washington, DC most of the rest of the country



Whamdangler: Submitter finds war crimes and corruption to be funny?

Some find it heroic enough to memorialize the individual. When was the last time you walked around DC?

Dancin_In_Anson: Some find it heroic enough to memorialize the individual. When was the last time you walked around DC?

*quizzical dog*

I'm sure you had a point, but I can't figure out what it is.

Are you saying war criminals, people who lied us into a war, people who have wasted almost a trillion tax dollars, are heroic and to be memorialized somehow by me walking around in DC? No, I didn't think that's what you meant. So...what did you mean?

You can only be a war criminal if you loose. Thus far we haven't exactly lost the wonderful "war on terror".

Eat More Possum: You can only be a war criminal if you loose. Thus far we haven't exactly lost the wonderful "war on terror".

It's only illegal if you get caught? Gotcha.

Whamdangler: Are you saying war criminals, people who lied us into a war, people who have wasted almost a trillion tax dollars, are heroic and to be memorialized somehow by me walking around in DC? No, I didn't think that's what you meant. So...what did you mean?

You know who else had a statue?

Heh!

Whamdangler: It's only illegal if you get caught? Gotcha.

Pretty much. Go watch "The Fog of War" about Robert MacNamara. You'd like it.

Whamdangler: It's only illegal if you get caught? Gotcha.

That's essentially the way it's panned out in practice, yes.

submitter may find this a laff-riot, but methinks cheney & bush are going to "retire" to saudi arabia when this is all over for just that reason.

I'm left-handed and in favor of impeachment, so I'm getting a... oh, subby is assuming that law-breaking is a partisan issue.

FlashHarry: submitter may find this a laff-riot, but methinks cheney & bush are going to "retire" to saudi arabia when this is all over for just that reason.

I think that waiting for "war crimes" prosecutions of Bush and Cheney is the political equivalent of evangelicals who are waiting for the Rapture - I can't say that it definitely won't happen, but they are both about as likely.

Nabb1: FlashHarry: submitter may find this a laff-riot, but methinks cheney & bush are going to "retire" to saudi arabia when this is all over for just that reason.

I think that waiting for "war crimes" prosecutions of Bush and Cheney is the political equivalent of evangelicals who are waiting for the Rapture - I can't say that it definitely won't happen, but they are both about as likely.

oh, i know... but we can all dream, can't we?

Nabb1: Whamdangler: It's only illegal if you get caught? Gotcha.

Pretty much. Go watch "The Fog of War" about Robert MacNamara. You'd like it.

No real comment but that film is really really good.

FlashHarry: oh, i know... but we can all dream, can't we?

Heh. Fair enough.

FlashHarry: submitter may find this a laff-riot, but methinks cheney & bush are going to "retire" to saudi arabia when this is all over for just that reason.

I think the humor lies in a small town having ridiculous delusions about the scope of their authority.

Bush's presidency does deserve a full investigation, but a small Vermont town doesn't exactly have the authority to do it.

Unright: I think the humor lies in a small town having ridiculous delusions about the scope of their authority.

Bush's presidency does deserve a full investigation, but a small Vermont town doesn't exactly have the authority to do it.

This.

/submitter

Nabb1: I think that waiting for "war crimes" prosecutions of Bush and Cheney is the political equivalent of evangelicals who are waiting for the Rapture - I can't say that it definitely won't happen, but they are both about as likely.

If it hasn't happened to Kissinger yet, it sure won't be happening to them.

Why can't these quaint Vermont folks just go back to making that sweet, sweet, maple syrup and leave running the country to "city folks"?

RocketRod: Why can't these quaint Vermont folks just go back to making that sweet, sweet, maple syrup and leave running the country to "city folks"?

OK, that was pretty goddamn funny.

kronicfeld: Nabb1: I think that waiting for "war crimes" prosecutions of Bush and Cheney is the political equivalent of evangelicals who are waiting for the Rapture - I can't say that it definitely won't happen, but they are both about as likely.

If it hasn't happened to Kissinger yet, it sure won't be happening to them.

Partly that's due to the victor's justice aspect of war crimes prosecutions that others have already mentioned. But there's also an actual legal standard for war crimes prosecution, and while I've read some semi-convincing (not very convincing) arguments for how Kissenger would meet the standard, the idea that Bush or Cheney meet the standard is just some kind of fever dream. Cheney?! Please. Whether he has an unusual degree of control in this administration or not, he's still just the VP. He doesn't, nor did he ever, have the authority to deploy troops. It would be like prosecuting Hitler's barber.

Even if you assume that you could absolutely prove that the administration lied, guess what; that's not a war crime. Even if you assume that you could absolutely prove that they did it for oil or to benefit their friends in industry, that's not a war crime. Strangely enough, the best chance to prosecute them is probably under US federal penal law for ordering torture. I don't think that could be proved either, but there's a much easier indictment standard, and they're already subject to the jurisdiction. Not to mention that if they did it, they should go to jail.

But back to the point: if you're advocating war crimes prosecutions for Bush and Cheney, you might as well sport the red beret and crazy-guy beard like the guy in the picture.

"President Bush may soon have a new reason to avoid left-leaning Vermont: In one town, activists want him subject to arrest for war crimes"

Like anyone needs a reason to avoid Vermont.

You sure that was laughter subby?

Kinda sounded like the screams of torture victims to me.

Spanky_McFarksalot: Like anyone needs a reason to avoid Vermont.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you've never been to Vermont.

Is it too late to convince Vermont to secede?

Dancin_In_Anson: FDR

To be fair, he only followed in the footsteps of his more openly communist associate in Moscow.

So torture-supporter Dancin in Anson's defense of wrongdoing by the Bush administration consists of posting a photograph of a statue of FDR?

Wow. And not in the good way.

Holy shiat, not only has Osama Bin Laden been hiding in Vermont this whole time ... but he's FRENCH!

I think the humor lies in a small town having ridiculous delusions about the scope of their authority.

Bush's presidency does deserve a full investigation, but a small Vermont town doesn't exactly have the authority to do it.

Wouldn't it be great if they sent some maple syrup-drinking, flannel-wearing Vermont cops to Washington to arrest Bush and Cheney?

The folks who are blathering about "war crimes" are helping to make it easier for people who do real war crimes to get a free pass when that actually comes up.

Find out what a "war crime" is before you accuse someone of committing it, morons. And then realize that, under your grand new definition, you're going to lose almost ALL of the current crop of Democrats, too (they voted for the war, and had the same info as the White House at the time), including pretty much the entire Democratic Presidential field.

Then we get the "torture" morons, who don't know that the Dems signed off on all of the "torture" in use, including a lot of stuff that wasn't and isn't considered "torture" by any other country in the world (under the current leftie "torture" rules, the entire country of France will have to be prosecuted due to the conditions in their prisons).

To paraphrase George Costanza:

Just remember, it's not a war crime if you believe in it.

Unright:
I think the humor lies in a small town having ridiculous delusions about the scope of their authority.

Bush's presidency does deserve a full investigation, but a small Vermont town doesn't exactly have the authority to do it.

I think "symbolic gesture" is more accurate than "delusions"...

I would love to see them impeached for war crimes and shredding the Constitution they swore to defend, but it'll never happen. The Dems are too cowardly, and wouldn't want to appear vindictive if they managed to get enough people to support it. Face it, Americans don't care about accountability.

/Clinton on the other hand, he deserved it!

(under the current leftie "torture" rules, the entire country of France will have to be prosecuted due to the conditions in their prisons).

The EU said Gitmo was better then the average prison in Belgium

but lets not talk about things like that

67 Beetle: Is it too late to convince Vermont to secede?

Actually, I'm sure that Canada would probably welcome Vermont.

cirby: and had the same info as the White House at the time

False.

I think they (Vermont town in question) should be looked at for their spirit. Any town that stands up to a government that is way outside the boundaries governed by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, IMO, deserves a Hero tag. And not just to the Bush administration, to any administration that steps outside of its boundaries and acts illegally.

"I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing,
and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical.
Unsuccessful rebellions, indeed, generally establish the
encroachments on the rights of the people which have produced them.
An observation of this truth should render honest republican
governors so mild in their punishment of rebellions as not to
discourage them too much. It is a medicine necessary for the
sound health of the government."
Thomas Jefferson

/smart farkin guy, he was

67 Beetle: Is it too late to convince Vermont to secede?

They'd be one of the first to try if it came to that. As far as I can tell Vermonters aren't "lefty" in the sense of "buying into the current Democratic Party line".

They are more classic liberals, pretty independent and jealous of their state autonomy.

Cordwainer Deathbird: This.

/submitter

Bah. Your submission beat out my boss's. So I will not accept your "this".

filth: But back to the point: if you're advocating war crimes prosecutions for Bush and Cheney, you might as well sport the red beret and crazy-guy beard like the guy in the picture.

I disgree completely.

It'll never happen. Those two have shred more documents in one afternoon than Ollie North shred during the entire Iran/Contra business. If anything ever comes to light, both Bush and Cheney will get Reagan like amnesia and "I don't recall" will be the official answer. Unlike Ollie, Andre card will be the patsy, and no answers will ever come out since he's dying of cancer.

It's all simple, really.

cirby: and had the same info as the White House at the time

Democrats on the Senate Intelligence Committee have repeatedly disputed the claim that members of Congress and the White House have equal access to intelligence information. During a November 4 press conference, Rockefeller and Feinstein directly addressed this issue. Both noted, for example, that committee members are not privy to the Presidential Daily Briefing (PDB) -- a written summary of intelligence information that the CIA provides to the president. (The White House even withheld from Senate investigators the PDBs on Iraq delivered to the Oval Office prior to the war.):

ROCKEFELLER: I mean, one of things that they -- that Chairman Roberts likes to do is to try to point out that there were a lot of Democrats who voted for the -- going to the United Nations, and if that didn't work, going to the war. And then people say, "Well, you know, you all had the same intelligence that the White House had." And I'm here to tell you that is nowhere near the truth. We not only don't have, nor probably should we have, the Presidential Daily Brief, we don't have the constant people who are working on intelligence who are very close to him. They don't release their -- an administration which tends not to release -- not just the White House, but the CIA, DOD [Department of Defense], others -- they control information. There's a lot of intelligence that we don't get that they have.

67 Beetle: Is it too late to convince Vermont to secede?

Probably. They've been trying that with Texas ever since it became a state.

Leftist activists want Bush and Cheney arrested for something they are not guilty of except in the demented minds of leftist activists?

Interesting but predictable.

RocketRod: Why can't these quaint Vermont folks just go back to making that sweet, sweet, maple syrup and leave running the country to "city folks"?

I agree. Stop the bumpkins from running the country!



Oops... too late.

The Why Not Guy:

"False"

Well, I see Nancy Pelosi and her pals have you snowed pretty well. No questions, no caveats, just "false."

Sorry, but the top members of Congress have the exact same intel sources the White House does, and enough leakage from the rest so that any attempts to fake intel will slip out in a matter of hours. With the Democratic leanings of high-level CIA administrators, the Democrats probably had BETTER intel on Iraq - and voted for it anyway.

So if the Bush folks lied about the war, the Democrats were willing patsies, and either looked the other way or actively helped dig the hole.

The actual, real-world explanation is that the US intelligence community, due to being crippled by years of political oversight, told everyone (Dems and GOP) what they thought was true, but wasn't.

filth: if you're advocating war crimes prosecutions for Bush and Cheney, you might as well sport the red beret and crazy-guy beard like the guy in the picture.

Wow. I guess it's safe to assume who's in the 25%, hmm?

I'll let you get back to your oil stocks, now.

Necrosis: I think "symbolic gesture" is more accurate than "delusions"...

I would love to see them impeached for war crimes and shredding the Constitution they swore to defend, but it'll never happen. The Dems are too cowardly, and wouldn't want to appear vindictive if they managed to get enough people to support it. Face it, Americans don't care about accountability.

I disagree. Americans do care about accountability, but I think there's no faith in the system. There's no way to keep politics out of the legal system. Look at the Scooter convinction. They only nailed him on a technicality and he got pardoned anyways. Why should Dems bother when they couldn't even make that stick?

The Why Not Guy: So torture-supporter Dancin in Anson's defense of wrongdoing by the Bush administration consists of posting a photograph of a statue of FDR?

Wow. And not in the good way.

He's letting his Afternoon Delight show.

Nabb1: I think that waiting for "war crimes" prosecutions of Bush and Cheney is the political equivalent of evangelicals who are waiting for the Rapture - I can't say that it definitely won't happen, but they are both about as likely.

I think 'likeliness' is a poor standard to decide what is right and what is wrong.