I love the smell of desperation in the morning.

Beans beans the magical fruit the more you eat the more 9-11.

Birds of a feather flock to9/11.

The only good Muslim is a dead Muslim.

Right?

QuitWhileYoureAhead: Beans beans the magical fruit the more you eat the more 9-11.

I love you. Let us have hot monkey sex at Ground Zero.

9/11

If it feels good...

/9-11

Meanwhile, the Baptist Minister uses the opportunity of Benazir Bhutto to remind us about all those Pakistani terrorists queued up at the Mexican border.

"When I say get rid of them, I wasn't necessarily referring to genocide."

Wow what a lover of mankind.

I can haz... ron paul??

Rhetoric like that would've worked on 9/12/01, but not more than 6 years later. Most people have caught on that all Muslims aren't, in fact, bad guys. Most people, except for your in-laws and the entire South.

madden101: Rhetoric like that would've worked on 9/12/01, but not more than 6 years later. Most people have caught on that all Muslims aren't, in fact, bad guys. Most people, except for your in-laws and the entire South.

You're wrong. This is a post-post-post 9/11 world. Oh and... Papers, please.

MAYORBOB: Meanwhile, the Baptist Minister uses the opportunity of Benazir Bhutto to remind us about all those Pakistani terrorists queued up at the Mexican border.

I have been waiting until that gets greenlit, but I will say

WTF?

It's a good thing he didn't mention anything about raising taxes, or else this may have actually hurt Rudy.

I love how batshiat insane the Republican primaries are.

When there's actual outrage in the Muslim community, we'll talk. Until then, it looks as if at least on the surface that most of the Muslim world is fine with letting terrorists speak for them with violence and hatred for this country.

Because those 2 million Muslims in this country are rioting and bombing and shooting all the farking time, aren't they?

"When I say get rid of them, I wasn't necessarily referring to genocide. What I was referring to is, stand up to them every time they stick up their heads and attack us. We can't afford to say, `We'll try diplomacy.' They don't respond to it. If you look into Islamic tradition, a treaty is only good for five years. We're not dealing with a rational mindset here. We're dealing with madmen."

When I asked Deady if this was also a reference to all Muslims, he said: "I am talking about Muslims in general."

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skookum: When there's actual outrage in the Muslim community, we'll talk. Until then, it looks as if at least on the surface that most of the Muslim world is fine with letting terrorists speak for them with violence and hatred for this country.

I disagree with your point, but I still have to laud you for making a single post without your usual creepy authoritarian rhetoric. That said, any rhetoric is underreported or not reported at all. Many American and European Muslim groups speak out against these actions, and, as I said before, American Muslims aren't a problem.

(I don't know if he's trolling or not, but he's still a freaking Godwin-in-a-can. I hope he's trolling, because it's really sad to see someone that genuinely scared.)

Oh, I'm starting to do Scrubs voiceovers in my post. So I'll be using parentheticals to hold my internal monologue. Still working on embedding Fray songs in my posts.

The Republican party really needs to get its shiat straight. Am I supposed to hate Muslims, gay people, or atheists? I am confused.

Is_What_It_Is: This guy is saying the things that a vast majority of the non-muslim populace are too afraid to say. The Hero tag would be appropriate here.

Quoted For SBTS (Someone Believes This shiat?)

Blacklight: Is_What_It_Is: This guy is saying the things that a vast majority of the non-muslim populace are too afraid to say. The Hero tag would be appropriate here.

Quoted For SBTS (Someone Believes This shiat?)

No, he is just a clever troll. Well, more appropriate to say sarcasm, at this point.

BloodyWilliam: American Muslims aren't a problem.

Actually, if there is another attack in this country, it may become necessary to limit Muslim propaganda and its proponents domestically, I was just pointing out that there is no mainstream Muslim condemnation of this. One of the leading mullahs should have been able to quiet the waters by now. The truth is that they have bought into the rhetoric that the US is Satan, and that they secretly agree with the violence.

I've yet to see anything significant to the contrary.

The muslims are a problem. They are a HUGE problem to the Judeao-Christian west. Hell, they are a huge problem even to the vast atheist populace here on fark. They want you dead, folks. All of us. They can't be reasoned with, there is no diplomacy here--until all of us are dead and the world consists of stone-age-mentality men, the world is a dirty place in need of cleansing.

That's like saying bacteria are a problem. Yeah, a lot are, some are beneficial. Muslims aren't the problem. Radical fundamentalists are the problem, and I'm not just talkin' Islam.

skookum: BloodyWilliam: American Muslims aren't a problem.

Actually, if there is another attack in this country, it may become necessary to limit Muslim propaganda and its proponents domestically, I was just pointing out that there is no mainstream Muslim condemnation of this. One of the leading mullahs should have been able to quiet the waters by now. The truth is that they have bought into the rhetoric that the US is Satan, and that they secretly agree with the violence.

I've yet to see anything significant to the contrary.

Then read up on it.

And read.

Hell, even read from FOX News.

There is no single major Muslim organization in the country, and there certainly isn't one in the world. To mini-godwin, imagine if Bill Donahue was an islamist mullah and Jesse Jackson was an American imam. They both say completely different things, but both ostensibly present different ends of "Islam" (or Christianity).

(Okay, he's not being so bad this thread. The 'limiting Muslim propaganda' bit was out of left field, but as long as we don't start talking about elections or political parties, maybe he won't go Babylon 5 Earthgov seasons 3-4 crazy...)

R-etarded.

Bloody William: You do realize that, even if we're threatened, genocide isn't a valid or moral choice?

(Please be a troll. Please be a troll. Please be a troll. How the fark can sentient creatures even think like this?)

Sure, I'm a troll. In the meantime, while you take the moral high ground, the muslims will take the road that results in your death. Why do you people refuse to acknowledge the ultimate goal of islam? You will convert or you will die--those are your two options folks. Call me all the names you want, but the facts are the facts.

Is_What_It_Is: Bloody William: You do realize that, even if we're threatened, genocide isn't a valid or moral choice?

(Please be a troll. Please be a troll. Please be a troll. How the fark can sentient creatures even think like this?)

Sure, I'm a troll. In the meantime, while you take the moral high ground, the muslims will take the road that results in your death. Why do you people refuse to acknowledge the ultimate goal of islam? You will convert or you will die--those are your two options folks. Call me all the names you want, but the facts are the facts.

If these evil Muslims really start to invade this country and demand conversion or death a la Red Dawn, I'll be the first to join the Wolverines. But I refuse to become a monster because I'm afraid of monsters. Of course, I refuse to be afraid of monsters too.

I work in midtown New York. If really bad shiat happens again, I'm likely to be hurt or killed. But like the man said, give me liberty or give me death. And I am not free when a government that represents me commits atrocities.

(Patrick Henry would have made an awesome Wolverine... dammit, now I'm imagining Patrick Henry with adamantium claws...)

It's already sounding like 1939 Germany in the first few posts.

Bloody William: If these evil Muslims really start to invade this country and demand conversion or death a la Red Dawn, I'll be the first to join the Wolverines. But I refuse to become a monster because I'm afraid of monsters. Of course, I refuse to be afraid of monsters too.

I work in midtown New York. If really bad shiat happens again, I'm likely to be hurt or killed. But like the man said, give me liberty or give me death. And I am not free when a government that represents me commits atrocities.

(Patrick Henry would have made an awesome Wolverine... dammit, now I'm imagining Patrick Henry with adamantium claws...)

It's really too bad that you will wait until the invasion begins before you actually stand up and defend your country.

Is_What_It_Is: Bloody William: If these evil Muslims really start to invade this country and demand conversion or death a la Red Dawn, I'll be the first to join the Wolverines. But I refuse to become a monster because I'm afraid of monsters. Of course, I refuse to be afraid of monsters too.

I work in midtown New York. If really bad shiat happens again, I'm likely to be hurt or killed. But like the man said, give me liberty or give me death. And I am not free when a government that represents me commits atrocities.

(Patrick Henry would have made an awesome Wolverine... dammit, now I'm imagining Patrick Henry with adamantium claws...)

It's really too bad that you will wait until the invasion begins before you actually stand up and defend your country.

And it's too bad you'll let this country's values die because you feel threatened.

(PLEASE be a troll..)

Why do you people refuse to acknowledge the ultimate goal of islam? You will convert or you will die--those are your two options folks.

Is_What_It_Is Please prove that the ultimate goal of Islam is to kill all non-muslims.

I think it is fair that the burden of proof should rest on the person proposing genocide via the internet.

Also, please account for the two muslims that I know personally, and why they have so far lied to me about their plans. I'm going to assume that since you know their secret motives, you probably also know their names.

Thanks in advance for the warning!

Is_What_It_Is: You will convert or you will die--those are your two options folks.

Why are you so afraid to die? Is it because you know you're going to burn in Hell?

Is_What_It_Is: It's really too bad that you will wait until the invasion begins before you actually stand up and defend your country.

Well git goin', little man! I hear the Girl Scouts are hiring.

(PLEASE be a troll..)

Riiiight.

And Rudy...you is like school in the summertime: No class.

Is_What_It_Is: It's really too bad that you will wait until the invasion begins before you actually stand up and defend your country.

Your analysis of his Wolverine analogy/metaphor is flawed in that it's about a movie in which the continental US is attacked by a traditional military by surprise. The terrorist case is different, but his his metaphor is apt: When all else fails, I WILL pick up a gun, as did Henry. All else has not failed, yet. Do you really think AQ will send copters and paratroopers? That's exactly the kind of war NOBODY wants with us ('cept maybe China, they have the tech and the warm bodies, but we buy too much).

Stop fundamentalism, not Islam. Especially here in the US.

BurnumBurnum: It's already sounding like 1939 Germany in the first few posts.

No kidding.

And the sad thing is that the fascists are mostly Christians. I'm sorry, but one of the trolls in this thread please explain why all of you are still getting assy about an attack on Liberal Territory? Wasn't New York one of those cities that hold all those brown and gay people you hate? If this is so, why the hell are you still holding onto anger over the terrorists taking the liberals down a peg? Come on, you must think this since the whole world is neatly divided between your Jesusfarking and the rest of us traitorous unAmurrican bastards.

Oh wait, I'm sorry. Asking questions about your pathetic stances and rationales would mean you would have to think. My mistake. I'll go right to my local church and hand my life over to the pastor and do whatever he tells me to do like a good little Southerner...oops, sorry, REAL AMURRICAN.

Robokev: Stop fundamentalism, not Islam.

The real enemy is corporatism, greed, exploitation of poor countries and giving questionable backing to tinpot dictators. The problem isn't Islam, and the invaders are...us, frankly. Natural resources to control and politics to shape.

Guiliani is a farking idiot. He's outta here, take a bow.

Bloody William: How the fark can sentient creatures even think like this?

Fear creates many more monsters than it does heroes. Is_What_It_Is and skookum are just home grown Christian extremists, inspired by fear to hate. Luckily either fear of the law or just plain cowardice prevents them from taking violent action. I guess we can consider our selves at the least lucky in that.

The_Man_On_The_Phone: The real enemy is corporatism, greed, exploitation of poor countries and giving questionable backing to tinpot dictators. The problem isn't Islam, and the invaders are...us, frankly. Natural resources to control and politics to shape.

While I don't agree with you regarding corporatism (some things can only be produced by LARGE corporation - commercial aircraft, power plants, et. al.), I do think that the greedhead attitude of "get me mine at the expense of everybody else, when I could get a little less and benefit many" is pretty farkin anti-civilization.

Not sayin that big corps MUST give to charity (bottom line is the mission for corps), but we have too many short-term-profitability at-any-cost mentalities with COO and CFO suffixes. Exploitation of poor peoples is a natural extension of the "survive or die" nature of capitalism. Cheap labor and resources over there and we've already developed relatively cheap transportation. Step 3, profit. If THEY work it out right, they'll increase their standard of living and charge us enough that we'll move on to another 3rd world service/product provider, while they change to a service economy. See India and China. See India and China in 30 years.

Maybe we'll be growing all the world's grain by then. Delicious irony there. High-tech US survives a century or two longer selling wheat, rice and corn, instead of currency and technology. Poetic, no?

Natural resources to motivate, politics to justify, is what you mean.

And Guiliani IS an idiot. Oh, wait. 9/11. "They hurt us. We overcame. A lot of us coughed up body parts, and I don't care." There, I'm Guiliani, too.

/not a quote, of course. But he's still an opportunistic dickhead!

So, a vote for Giulani is a vote for a Muslim Holocaust? Well, they don't necessarily need to make it genocide. They could be put in camps. To work, until they die.

Just trying to make sure I understand, here.

/ The terror is going two ways...

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Fair enough. It's sad that Americans have fallen so much. We used to be the shining light--the beacon of freedom. Now, we are just a sad, sullen place, no different from those countries we once tried to help.

Who of the people here who think that all Muslims are bad actually know any personally?

None of the Muslims I know seem like they are plotting to kill me. Of course I might just be a bit dense about this sort of thing. I rarely get the feeling that any of my personal acquantances are madmen in need to be put down like animals before they slaughter my loved ones and myself. I wouldn't have even thought that any of the homosexuals I know were being gay as a personal attack on me and heterosexulity in general. I really wish I could spot these sort of dangers myself.

On the question of obvious ultimate solution of the muslim question I would propose shipping them to Madagascar. It will go over far better with those squemish voters who have a problem with genocide.

Vote for Giuliani, Final Solution to the Muslim Question.

skookum: One of the leading mullahs should have been able to quiet the waters by now.

And while you're at it, ask a Catholic priest to tell Baptists to stop being such douchnozzles. Same thing pretty much. Most mullahs are Shi'a, who aren't particularly a problem. The Wahabbi sect is, but they fall under the Sunni heading. Not that they get along with many Sunnis for that matter. Wahabbism become linked to Arab nationalism. So you have a worst of all possible words situation, ultra-nationalists who are also ultra-conservative fundamentalists. Fortunately, there aren't that many Wahabbis in the world. There are a few non-Wahabbi Sunni whackjobs around, but their influence appears far greater than it is owing to rather slipshod media coverage.

skookum: One of the leading mullahs should have been able to quiet the waters by now.

Yes, just like the way (insert famous US christian authority here) was able to stop catholics and protestants from killing each other (and innocent passers by) in Northern Ireland. They are all christians, right? Should have been easy.

I think the problem is that while there are certainly plenty of good Muslim people in this world, Islam lends its self very easy to the murder/suicide extremist very well.


I think that until the religious governments in the middle east are overthrown/replaced, we we always have problems with Muslim Extremist.

This is like the Middle Ages in Europe with all these Christian kingdoms. They were consistently at war for various religious reasons. It wasn't until Europe started using the separation of church and state that it improved.

Church and state should never interfere with one another. Its one of the main problems I have with politics in the United States lately. Every politician wants to bring religion into it so as they can get the religious vote.

Bloody William: If these evil Muslims really start to invade this country and demand conversion or death a la Red Dawn, I'll be the first to join the Wolverines. But I refuse to become a monster because I'm afraid of monsters. Of course, I refuse to be afraid of monsters too.

I work in midtown New York. If really bad shiat happens again, I'm likely to be hurt or killed. But like the man said, give me liberty or give me death. And I am not free when a government that represents me commits atrocities.

(Patrick Henry would have made an awesome Wolverine... dammit, now I'm imagining Patrick Henry with adamantium claws...)

There may be no "True Scotsman", but you sir are a true American.

/And I are serious, cat

Code_Archeologist: Bloody William: How the fark can sentient creatures even think like this?

Fear creates many more monsters than it does heroes. Is_What_It_Is and skookum are just home grown Christian extremists, inspired by fear to hate. Luckily either fear of the law or just plain cowardice prevents them from taking violent action. I guess we can consider our selves at the least lucky in that.

NO, Skookum is a perverse troll and a frustrated musical composer with punk rock pretensions. If he would only leave the Fark alone he would be on the college charts by now. But not in my name.

Yay! Let's invade Indonesia!

I came in to ask if 9/11 this could finally be the death knell for 9ui11iani's campaign 9/11, but I can see by the tenor 9/11 of the thread this actually helped him, or 9/11 at least fired up his 9/11 supporters.

Anybody who'd vote for 9ui11iani would deserve him as president. I just feel bad for the rest of you Americans, blessed with at minimum the intellect FSM gave the shovel.

Mr. Giuliani, I will support your campaign provided you support reopening the 9-11 investigation, with an independent prosecutor and including the testimony under oath of yourself, the President, the Vice President, Bernard Kerik, John Ashcroft, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, former CIA director Tenant and his CIA associates as well as the FBI pencil pushers who whistled while the enemy worked.

Deal?