I personally can't stand Bush or anything about his administration.

Bhutto knew the risks better than anyone.

Typical "conservative" thought pattern. People died and literally the only thing they care about is their precious hero. Bush doesn't know you exist, and wouldn't stop to pee on you if you were on fire.

Bush set her up!

It's always Bush's fault. If you believe that the government is an all power force that can take care of you and protect from getting your feelings hurt, then anything bad that happens is the governments fault. The really sad thing is that all the good stuff is has to be credited to the gov as well.

Better headline: subby farks up whatever point he is desperate to make.

/go outside
//get some air
///meet a girl

It's tough being you, isn't it subby?

The Stealth Hippopotamus: It's always Bush's fault. If you believe that the government is an all power force that can take care of you and protect from getting your feelings hurt, then anything bad that happens is the governments fault. The really sad thing is that all the good stuff is has to be credited to the gov as well.

No, it doesn't. God gets credit when things go well. The Government gets blamed when they don't go well.

Check the news stories on weather. God saved us. The Government didn't do enough to save us.

Aw, somebody's a crabby bunny...Does subby need a hug? It's pretty sad that Bush supporters have been reduced to defending him in cases where nobody even thought to blame him. You guys have become so defensive that it's laughable...Grow up - Bush isn't your daddy - you don't need to run around trying to protect him from the bad people that call him names.

Do you non-existant liberals who are making this non-existant argument have no shame?

Well, it looks like as we might have to take Obama's advice after all instead of attempting diplomacy...

Of course I recall just a few short years ago the whining over the lack of diplomacy elsewhere...Water under the bridge I suppose...

Demetrius: Bhutto knew the risks better than anyone.

She walked into this with her eyes wide open. She had more balls than Bush could ever hope to have.

Dancin_In_Anson: Of course I recall just a few short years ago the whining over the lack of diplomacy elsewhere...Water under the bridge I suppose...

I know. It's unbelievable how many of these former bleeding-heart, hand-holding prominent liberals have come out since the assassination and demanded that we nuke Pakistan. The hypocrisy is stunning.

Dancin_In_Anson: Well, it looks like as we might have to take Obama's advice after all instead of attempting diplomacy...

Of course I recall just a few short years ago the whining over the lack of diplomacy elsewhere...Water under the bridge I suppose...

Hmm... did we read the same article? there was not a single word in the article saying that.

I_C_Weener: No, it doesn't. God gets credit when things go well. The Government gets blamed when they don't go well.

Check the news stories on weather. God saved us. The Government didn't do enough to save us.

I'm talking about those godless heathens in the Democratic party. There is no god there is just nature. And if nature hurts us it all our (humans) fault. And since the average man is powerless then it's the governments fault. If only that evil oil man Bush would increase the MPG standards then Katrina would never had happened.

I'd rather outsource the nuking of Pakistan to India.

I'm actually thinking that Condi is pretty good at her job. I hate Bush et al like anyone, but Condi has really been making some headway. Too bad this happened though. Damn shame about Bhutto.

I believe Bush derangement syndrome should be used to describe his worshippers who believe he is competent and honest.

Ms. Bhutto has been clear throughout her life (and during the return to Pakistan) that she understands the risks associated with the nature of her public life. It makes me sick that anyone would turn a conversation about Bhutto around into a U.S. partisan/political discussion. When Bhutto returned to Pakistan, and when she refused to be intimidated by previous attempts on her life, I realized that this was somoene with HUGE balls, a true leader for the people.

Obviously, the blame for Benazir's death does NOT lie with the Bush administration, but rather with the sick f*ck who killed her.

There are far too many legitimate criticisms of the Bush administration...no one needs to reach to find them. I commend Condi for her role in getting Bhutto back into Pakistan, because Bhutto really seemed like the only possible way to allow real democracy to flourish in Pakistan.

What now, though? The elections will not be considered legitimate by Pakistanis, since the other oppo party is boycotting. Someone from Bhutto's supporters needs to step up. What about the judiciary? The whole thing is just a mess and I am at a loss as to how they're going to pull it together.

RIP, Benazir. What an amazing example to the people of Pakistan. I can only hope that the work she did was not in vain.

I heard a report today that 67% of Pakistanis think Musharef should step down from his position of leadership and he should be replaced. If this figure is true, there has got to be a legitimate way to have the will of those people realized. *sigh* Just a mess, and there are a lot of things to talk about with regard to PAKISTAN, without bringing petty U.S. political poop-flinging into it.

Mordant: I'd rather outsource the nuking of Pakistan to India.

Great plan, we just need to find one person in the call center that specks English and understands that we want to send the nuke to a third party and not to the billing address.

Good luck with that.

Bush is already a massive failure and will be remembered as one of the worst presidents in our history. No real value in blaming him for anything at this point. The world just works around him.

Mordant: .

Agreed. India will be the ones shiatting their pants should the Islamic fundamentalists come to power, not the US. I wouldn't be surprised to see India sweep into the country to "secure" the nuclear sites if it looks like that is close to happening.

the_pgoat: When Bhutto returned to Pakistan, and when she refused to be intimidated by previous attempts on her life, I realized that this was somoene with HUGE balls, a true leader for the people.

If nothing else, she had conviction, courage, and balls. I will always respect her for that.

There's been no threat established, but subby still attacks in "defense."

Much like his/her hero....

If only the bullet proof car came with instructions.



To be effective
must stay inside

Demetrius: I personally can't stand Bush or anything about his administration.

Bhutto knew the risks better than anyone.

The biatch had it coming to her.

"Bush Derangement Syndrome" should mean automatic disqualification of a headline. It's a dumb concept popularized by dumb people who can't find a better way to deal with criticism of dumb mistakes by the President.

Flab: Hmm... did we read the same article? there was not a single word in the article saying that.

I was referring to the comments of this thread....

These "liberals" of which subby speaks sound like pretty horrible people.

Thank our lucky stars they only exist in subby's imagination.

the_pgoat: Obviously, the blame for Benazir's death does NOT lie with the Bush administration, but rather with the sick f*ck who killed her.

This point will likely not be well taken by the denizens of this thread, but you are correct.

Pakistan, and the world in general, lost a great leader yesterday, because of a brainwashed ignorant fundamentalist who stupidly thought he would go to heaven by taking her out. There aren't often many great people with real courage and love of their people like she had, so this is a huge loss for the world at large. We are all poorer for this. I can only hope her martyrdom is handles with the class and grace she deserves.

"Bush Derangement Syndrome" is only uttered by someone who thinks the word LIEberal is clever.

Because the best way to support Democracy in the Mid-East is to support our favorite dictators, ala, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. Even if it means allowing those same dictators to murder their competition.

I would hold Musharraf responsible [in the event of my death], I have been made to feel insecure by his minions. -- Bhutto

Dancin_In_Anson: I was referring to the comments of this thread....

Really? Can you point out to me someone in this thread who has formerly argued for diplomacy with Pakistan who is now suggesting we engage them militarily?

I'm not seeing it and I'm pretty sure I don't have anyone on ignore.

Dancin_In_Anson: Flab: Hmm... did we read the same article? there was not a single word in the article saying that.

I was referring to the comments of this thread....

Aw, look at the bright side. At least you got another greenlight!

/I kid, I kid....
//though wouldn't be surprised....
///no, really, I kid...

Dancin_In_Anson: Well, it looks like as we might have to take Obama's advice after all instead of attempting diplomacy...

How cute, either you totally failed to understand what Obama said, or you are intentionally misrepresenting it. So, which is it, moron or liar?

Of course I recall just a few short years ago the whining over the lack of diplomacy elsewhere...Water under the bridge I suppose...

You have a very active imagination is you think that anyone is saying that using military force against Pakistan is the way to go here instead of continued diplomacy.

Even for you that was a pretty pathetic post.

from tfa: they got her in, against their puppet's wishes, in an attempt to prop up their puppet's failing support and create a sham democracy. however, contrary to plan, his support only suffered more. she was then killed.

well, to me, that looks like yet another foreign policy disaster

That headline reads like somebody's been huffing paint.

sigdiamond2000:
I know. It's unbelievable how many of these former bleeding-heart, hand-holding prominent liberals have come out since the assassination and demanded that we nuke Pakistan. The hypocrisy is stunning.

The Stealth Hippopotamus:
I'm talking about those godless heathens in the Democratic party. There is no god there is just nature. And if nature hurts us it all our (humans) fault. And since the average man is powerless then it's the governments fault. If only that evil oil man Bush would increase the MPG standards then Katrina would never had happened.


Wow. Just Wow. Do you ever just sit back and read what you type and realize how utterly ignorant it makes you look?

\Facepalm

Bush put all his eggs in 2 baskets- Bhutto and Musharif. He didn't plan well or think far enough ahead. Bhutto was stupid to not have a successor 'just in case'. Musharif will probably end up losing his position now- which will put Bush and his policies back several steps.

This probably also effectively killed his plans for Iran- whatever they were.

21-7-b: from tfa: they got her in, against their puppet's wishes, in an attempt to prop up their puppet's failing support and create a sham democracy. however, contrary to plan, his support only suffered more. she was then killed.

well, to me, that looks like yet another foreign policy disaster

As an insightful old man once told me while waxing philosophically about the state of foreign relations:

Why the fark can't we mind our own business?

Hideously Gigantic Smurf: These "liberals" of which subby speaks sound like pretty horrible people.

Thank our lucky stars they only exist in subby's imagination.

Dude? you're not new here. You know there are people out there that if they wake up with a cold then it's Bush's fault for not providing "free" health care.
I wish those people were just in subby's imagination then we could get rid of the whole bunch by throwing just one person overboard.

rppp01a This probably also effectively killed his plans for Iran- whatever they were

How so? I'd say that the new nuclear weapons report that just came out threw a bigger wrench in that than anything that happened in Pakistan.

sigdiamond2000

Sarcasm meter was turned off. It seems to be working now.


\unpossible!

Post Election 2000 Lefty Logic:

Bush is evil and/or stupid.

Therefore everything he/his admin does is either done to hurt the innocent, give profit to his cronies or is just stupidity at work.

THEREFORE

EITHER
Bush Co arranged to get Bhutto into Pakistan to have killed because she wanted Pakistan to be come more democratic.

OR

Bush Co arranged for her return to push Pakistan toward democracy and therefore democracy is evil.

/lefty
//can see past political affiliations and think for myself

Wow, so a former Pakistani PM is assassinated in a country with actual known terrorist activity and nuclear capability and again all that matters is whether a liberal or conservative was right or wrong.

I had a point here but I think Jamie Lynn just farted I better go check TMZ

apeiron242

Don't troll as someone with Progressive ideas and then spout stupid statements like that...


\1 out of 10. Try again

sigdiamond2000: Do you non-existant liberals who are making this non-existant argument have no shame?

As a small-business owner, I have to agree.

Shameless.

Crazy_horce: Wow. Just Wow. Do you ever just sit back and read what you type and realize how utterly ignorant it makes you look?

\Facepalm

Are you saying that those people are not out there? Follow my leaps in logic: 1) People are trying to blame global warming on the increase in destruction of powerful storms. Yeah yeah i know the damage is actually decreasing. But people are still out there trying to make the case. And some of them lead the D party. Second leap: People believe that raising the Cafe standards will help fight global warming. So increasing the Cafe standards would have helped limit the damage of hurricanes. I know people believe this.

So? Are my leaps to large??

Or are you arguing that people dont call Bush evil or an oil man?

apeiron242: words

That's a mighty fine straw man you got going there troll.

Mighty fine indeed.

the_pgoat: I heard a report today that 67% of Pakistanis think Musharef should step down from his position of leadership and he should be replaced. If this figure is true, there has got to be a legitimate way to have the will of those people realized.

Replace 'Pakistanis' with 'Americans' and 'Musharef' with Bush.

See? Still works!

The Stealth Hippopotamus: blah blah blah...

You too seem to have a pretty good straw man going as well. Perhaps you and apeiron242 should get together and form up some sort of super straw man.