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Afternoon_Delight: Well, that was was a meandering piece of left-wing drivel.

Oh, A_D, you ruddy wanker, you

I really hope the trend continues, and at an even faster pace if that's even possible. Some future generation can look back and see where the train left the tracks and maybe they'll make intelligent choices instead of acting like stupid children and rooting for the precious team instead of their country.

Fein backed impeachment of former President Clinton, and he advocates it for Bush and Vice President Cheney.

How does one go from heroic conservative crusader for justice to troop-hating, blame-America-first liberal over the course of a presidential term?

He must've started drinking lattes or something.

Mordant: I really hope the trend continues, and at an even faster pace if that's even possible. Some future generation can look back and see where the train left the tracks and maybe they'll make intelligent choices instead of acting like stupid children and rooting for the precious team instead of their country.

bwahahahahahahaha. I could Godwin this thread, but I won't. I'll leave it at this: People don't learn from history. If they did we wouldn't be in the situation that we currently are.

For the record, Ron Paul is a douchetard. Go read his complete website (yes, I have) and see if you don't feel the same. He's a die-cut Republican pure and simple, with a populist but completely unrealistic and DOA "eliminate the IRS" message. His other messages, alas, are simple pandering to xenophobes by blaming all our problems on immigrants.

IrateShadow: bwahahahahahahaha. I could Godwin this thread, but I won't. I'll leave it at this: People don't learn from history. If they did we wouldn't be in the situation that we currently are.

It'd be temporary, like putting new brake pads on your car. Even though you know the new ones are also going to wear out you still need to do it once in a while.

Whamdangler: He's a die-cut Republican pure and simple

Yes, that's the idea. He's the only actual Republican.

Whamdangler: with a populist but completely unrealistic and DOA "eliminate the IRS" message

Yes, you will toil as a wage slave to the government, like it or not! It's "unrealistic" to propose that we could live without the government redistributing a third of the GNP, after all.

Whamdangler: His other messages, alas, are simple pandering to xenophobes

That word, you do not know what it means.

Whamdangler: by blaming all our problems on immigrants

Yeah, because such people have been known to talk explicitly about how immigrants have been made "scapegoats".

Mordant: It'd be temporary, like putting new brake pads on your car. Even though you know the new ones are also going to wear out you still need to do it once in a while.

You know, I'd agree if it stayed in the public memory for a reasonable amount of time, but the last major incident was only 60 years ago and it's already a distant memory.

I love it when the Republican knob gobblers come out to defend their anti-American fool in the White House.

He could be throwing children and old ladies into a wood chipper and they would claim he's really stabilizing social security. LOL

Churchill2004: That word, you do not know what it means.

Which word? There are 9 there. Although, I am fairly certain what each and every one means.

Whamdangler: Which word? There are 9 there. Although, I am fairly certain what each and every one means.

"xenophobes" don't say stuff like this-

If you subsidize something, you get more of it. We subsidize illegal immigration, we reward it by easy citizenship, either birthright or amnesty. But we force our states and our local communities to pay for the health care and pay for the education. Why wouldn't they bring their families? And because of our economic conditions, we do need workers. But if we had a truly free market economy, the illegal immigrants would not be the scapegoat. We would probably need them and they would be acceptable.

Now imagine that someone with half a brain picks up where Bush left off. We'd have a virtual dictatorship in no time.

If Hillary Clinton tried to pull off half the crap Bush has gotten away with, I hope we'd have the sense to impeach her sorry ass. Or anyone else, for that matter.

Well, unless the next candidate hires the people that Bush used to make the Bush White House a zero accountability administration, I don't think they are going to be very successful.

I didn't call him a xenophobe, I said he panders to xenophobes.

Afternoon_Delight: Any Ron Paul thread is much better than a discussion of this tortuous left-wing tripe...

Which is really funny because Ron Paul has essentially been saying all those same things. He's easily one of the biggest anti-Bush Congressmen around.

/waiting for the cognitive dissonance from seeing Bush attacked from the actual Right
//but I am after all dealing with a troll, so probably not

To everyone who wants to vote for someone else: leave the country. Bush is doing a heck of a job, and if you're truly American then you'll support his amendment granting any future President unlimited terms.

Hillary won't win because we all know women can't lead successfully. They should be seen and not heard and stay behind their man at least 10 feet.

Obama won't win because he's black, and everyone knows he's just trying to get the black man reperations. Once he's in office he'll immediately grant New Orleans billions in recovery money, and Nagan will finally have his chocolate city.

So vote Bush/Cheney 2008! Screw the constitution, we never use it anyway.

Paris Hiltons Angry Vagina, I give it a 2/10. You're trying too hard. Though I do like the login.

Whamdangler: I didn't call him a xenophobe, I said he panders to xenophobes.

Which would again seem to be belied by his quote describing immigrants as "scapegoats".

Of course, the general American public won't recognize it as such until a Democrat becomes President...

Then they'll take all the blame for it.

A_D: Then, mid-stream, the guy starts babbling incoherently ...

You would know.

Paris Hiltons Angry Vagina: To everyone who wants to vote for someone else: leave the country. Bush is doing a heck of a job, and if you're truly American then you'll support his amendment granting any future President unlimited terms.

Hillary won't win because we all know women can't lead successfully. They should be seen and not heard and stay behind their man at least 10 feet.

Obama won't win because he's black, and everyone knows he's just trying to get the black man reperations. Once he's in office he'll immediately grant New Orleans billions in recovery money, and Nagan will finally have his chocolate city.

So vote Bush/Cheney 2008! Screw the constitution, we never use it anyway.

1/10. LAME!

Afternoon_Delight: Well, that was was a meandering piece of left-wing drivel.

Surely you can find a one-panel comic that perfectly illustrates your disgust.

You liberal douches should know that this administration is perfectly willing to be accountable. Just as soon as it's done investigating itself.

I'm still dumbfounded that Bush won the 2nd term. How farked up are the retards that voted for him again?

he has pissed on the Constitution, killed almost 4000 military personnel (and 10s of thousands of iraqi's -- which the Defense Sept does not count), and caused untold chaos in America.

Oh well, all for a buck -- eh, Mr. Bush??

Churchill2004: Which would again seem to be belied by his quote describing immigrants as "scapegoats".

Well, maybe he's changed his tune. The last time I read his website, a month or so ago, he referred to problems caused by illegal immigrants in at least three of his platform issues. I don't see those now.

The best and brightest of the dems couldn't even beat a guy like bush. How do they actually plan to beat huckabee or romney?

Headline doesn't match the article very well.

...maybe they'll make intelligent choices instead of acting like stupid children and rooting for the precious team instead of their country.

/hahahahhahahahahahahhahahah

When has there ever been any evidence to support this?

Afternoon_Delight: Well, that was was a meandering piece of left-wing drivel.

Yeah but so is this, according to you:

Whamdangler: DOA "eliminate the IRS"

You do realize that every penny we pay in income tax goes to pay interest on the debt, correct? The difference between the 2008 budget and the 2000 budget is slightly higher than the total amount of income tax collected. If we could somehow rewind the expansion of the federal government by just eight years (Homeland Security, endless warmongering, et al) we would completely eliminate the need for income tax. That, and it's not a Constitutional tax in the first place. I don't have a source on this at the moment, but I read somewhere that for every $3 that we actually pay in income taxes, we, on average, spend $1 trying to comply with the law or find loopholes. It's a ridiculously wasteful way to collect money.

Afternoon_Delight:

Just for shiats and giggles, were you hellbentforleather and mighty_dog?

The article was spot on. While I am counting the days until Cheney loses his power, I am also baffled at why the system has not curtailed his abuses. I mean, good Lord, the man is an out and out lying criminal. Either the politicians in DC are afraid of reprisals from him, or playing political games to ensure that when the power change eventually comes, they will push through all the ultra liberal horse manure that has been repeatedly laughed out Congress.

Will the civil service be fixed, or will the suck-ass republican campaign staffers be replaced with suck-ass democrat campaign staffers?
Will the whistle blowers be given protection from governmental reprisals?
Will the worst joint-chiefs-of-staff in American history be replaced with competent help, or will the military still be under the micromanaging thumb of some corrupt political insider?
And all the changes in how the official economic indexes are tabulated, will that go away or are we stuck with the changes made that ensures that confusion reigns?

While Cheney and his dog Bush have been a disaster for the nation, what I really fear is that all this illegal crap that they have been pulling is not only not going to be set aright, it will be accelerated, only in another direction.

Donald_McRonald: Afternoon_Delight:

Just for shiats and giggles, were you hellbentforleather and mighty_dog?

You're new here, aren't you?

[Hold out hand]

Hi, I'm Hideously Gigantic Smurf.

I enjoy long walks on the beach, classic rock and sarcasm.

Afternoon_Delight: Afternoon_Delight: Well, that was a meandering piece of left-wing drivel.

Magorn: Yeah but so is the Bill of Rights, according to you.


Really? How so?

This should be interesting because I can definitely spell out your hatred for the Bill of Rights.


/there's no hate like liberal hateTM.

WEll you've seemed awfully fond of torture, warrantless wiretaps, the suspension of Habeas corpus, Military detentions, and a whole host of other violations when committed by this adminsitration.


Now I would DEARLY love to hear when I've ever expressed contempt for the Bill of Rights or the Constitution generally, especially inasmuch as even back when I was a Republican (up till about 00) I was always a dedicated civil libertarian.

Will N. Dowd: You do realize that every penny we pay in income tax goes to pay interest on the debt, correct?

I do not realize that.

According to H&R Block, for every federal tax dollar you spend:

$0.23 goes to Social Security
$0.16 goes to national defense, veterans and foreign affairs
$0.14 goes to unemployment, disability and other income
$0.12 goes to interest payments
$0.11 goes to Medicare
$0.07 goes to Medicaid and
$0.17 goes to other expenses.

http://lib.law.washington.edu/news/2007/Apr9.html


Or,



http://www.warresisters.org/piechart.htm


I guess it depends on who is telling you.

Desterion: The best and brightest of the dems couldn't even beat a guy like bush. How do they actually plan to beat huckabee or romney?

Commercial: zoom in on a men's room stall and toe tapping.

Hideously Gigantic Smurf: You're new here, aren't you?

Just watch. He'll give a vague, non-commital answer and then disappear to another thread. Though you never know, maybe one day he'll do something different. Maybe even today!

Afternoon_Delight: Well, that was was a meandering piece of left-wing drivel.

/there's no hate like liberal hate^TM.

Wrong, it is at least equalled, though probably surpassed by:



The part that saddens me is that the Fark headline is probably even more correct than the article.

Power attracts the corruptible.

rush_limbaugh_sent_me: What's ironic about this is that these liberals stating Bush isn't accountable are the same liberals that worship Bill Clinton.

The basic premises of all of your posts here are falsehoods.

rush_limbaugh_sent_me:

Hold on...



Okay, I'm ready.

rush_limbaugh_sent_me: Who held the Clintons accountable for Whitewater that sent all their partners to jail?

Who held the clintons accountable for renting rooms in the whitehouse for political donations?

Who held the Clintons responsible for vandalizing and stealing things from the White House at the end of their reign?

Who held the Clinton responsible for pardoning the Rich guy, Susan Mcdougal, and some peurto rican terrorists (this was to help Hillary with Puerto Ricans in NY when she was running for senate)?

Who held the Clintons responsible for their constant campaign finance scandals?

Who wishes we were back in the days that those problems were the worst of our worries?

IXI Jim IXI: Who wishes we were back in the days that those problems were the worst of our worries?

I do. Although we didn't have WoW back then..

Alphax: I do. Although we didn't have WoW back then..

Yeah, but there was always Duke Nukem...

IXI Jim IXI: Who wishes we were back in the days that those problems were the worst of our worries?

Meh, I dunno...
I mean, we didn't have this back then!



\Yes, I watch this show
\\Yes, I like this show
\\\Yes, you can shut the Hell up now

Hideously Gigantic Smurf: \Yes, I watch this show
\\Yes, I like this show
\\\Yes, you can shut the Hell up now

My wife got me hooked on Project Runway. Believe me, I have NO way I can bust you on that :D

rush_limbaugh_sent_me: Who held the Clinton responsible for pardoning the Rich guy, Susan Mcdougal, and some peurto rican terrorists (this was to help Hillary with Puerto Ricans in NY when she was running for senate)?

Indeed. One would think that a republican congress, republican president and a republican leaning judiciary would have closed that loophole.

My stepdad used to beat me with an extension cord, but i didn't say anything. My mom got a new husband and now he rapes me with a banana. Mom says we can't do anything because nothing happend to the old stepdad.

B-b-b-but Clinton ex-stepdad

Afternoon_Delight: Here is why LIBERALS hate the Bill of Rights

I lol'd

rush_limbaugh_sent_me: What's ironic about this is that these liberals stating Bush isn't accountable are the same liberals that worship Bill Clinton. Clinton had the most corrupt adminstration in the history of the United States. He asserted that presidents were protected from having to stand trial in a sexual harrasment allegation in the Paul Jones case. This means that Clinton thought presidents were above the law and had special rights that no other citizen would have. Liberals will just call Paula Jones a liar and slut, and that is what the Clintons did, but even if that were the case, she did deserve her day in court. But Clinton didn't think so.

Clinton other scandals included Travelgate in which they falsely accused the guy in charge of the Travel office of embezzlement PRIOR to any audit of the books. THe reason they did this was to get him out of the way to give a one of their relatives the gig and to claim at the same time they were "cleaning up government". However, this guy was found "not guilty" and it was obvious the Clintons just smeared him to hook up their relatives up with the Travel office business. This is known as nepotism, for all you liberals out there. Who held the Clintons accountable for this?

Who held the Clintons accountable for Whitewater that sent all their partners to jail?

Who held the clintons accountable for renting rooms in the whitehouse for political donations?

Who held the Clintons responsible for vandalizing and stealing things from the White House at the end of their reign?

Who held the Clinton responsible for pardoning the Rich guy, Susan Mcdougal, and some peurto rican terrorists (this was to help Hillary with Puerto Ricans in NY when she was running for senate)?

Who held the Clintons responsible for their constant campaign finance scandals?

the Clintons were the Most Corrupt adminsitration ever?

Really? On What planet? IIRC an "Independant " prosecutor spent $65 million and six years doing everything but giving the Clintons a colonoscopy, and after thousands of hours of investigation by him and nigh every committee in Congress (including a week-long investigation as to whether clinton improperly used his Christmas Card list to send mailing to donors.) And after all that time and money they, Combined managed to come up with, in toto, 1 lie about sex told under oath that didn't even amount to perjury because the underlying suit was dismissed.

Compare that to:

(1) Scooter Libby Chief of VP Staff CONVICTED of Obstruction of Justice

2)Lester Crawford, a former commissioner of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA). "abruptly resigned" from the FDA in September 2005 and pleaded guilty to charges of "conflict of interest and false reporting of information about stocks he owned in food, beverage and medical device companies he was in charge of regulating"

3) Brian J. Doyle, former deputy press secretary for the Department of Homeland Security. On September 19, 2006, Doyle "pleaded no contest to seven counts of using a computer to seduce a child and 16 counts of transmitting harmful material to a minor,"

.
4) Claude A. Allen, former assistant to the president for domestic policy. Allen resigned in February 2006 after a January 2006 police investigation concerning multiple fraudulent returns to a Target store in Gaithersburg, Maryland. On August 4, 2006, Allen pleaded guilty to one count of misdemeanor theft.

5) David H. Safavian, a former chief of staff of the General Services Administration. Safavian was found guilty of lying and obstructing justice in June 2006 recovering up his many efforts to assist [disgraced Republican lobbyist Jack] Abramoff in acquiring two properties controlled by the GSA, and also of concealing facts about a lavish weeklong golf trip he took with Abramoff to Scotland and London in the summer of 2002."

6)John T. Korsmo, former chairman of the Federal Housing Finance Board. On April 7, 2005, Korsmo "pleaded guilty to one count of making false statements to the Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee, which oversees the Finance Board, and the Inspector General for the Finance Board." The Senate committee and inspector general were investigating Korsmo's participation in an October 2002 congressional fundraising event.

7) Kyle "Dusty" Foggo: Executive Director of the CIA (#3) at the Agency. Under indictment for favors done for Brent Wilkerson the Defense Contractor who Plead Guilty to Bribing now-jailed US Representative Randy "Duke" Cunningham.

8) Monica Goodling: Former Senior DOJ offical, Former DOJ WH liason. Admitted under oath after a grant of immunity to multiple violations of the Hatch Act, several attempt by the then Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez to OBstruct Justice.

9) Alberto Gonzalez: resigned in disgrace after committing apparent Multiple counts of Perjury, lying to Congress, and Obstruction of justice.

10) Rod Paige-Secretary of Education-resigned in disgrace after an illegal contract with prominent conservative columnists to provide positive propaganda for NCLB was uncovered

11) Lurita Doan-Head of GSA- resigned in disgrace-under investigation for violations of the Hatch act after forcing employees to attend a briefing by Karl Rove's deputy on how to use the Agency's resources to help Republican candidates in the upcoming 06 election

12) Howard Krongard: State Department IG- Resigned in discgrace- after being accused of blocking several key investigations in contractor fraud and Blackwater misconduct, claimed not to know his brother sat on Blackwater's Board until told so at a congressional hearing.


and this is only scratching the surface, we still ave Torturegate, US Atty Gate, and about $12 BILLION in Missing Iraqi reconstruction funds to get to.

or do you just want to throw a white flag now and admit you're a dumbass?