The JDAM sale would be part of a combined $20 billion or so in fresh U.S. arms sales to Gulf Arab states described by Washington as a strategic drive to counter Iran's growing might.

It makes perfect sense, submitter. We need to protect ourselves from a country that might attack us.

Mordant: We need to protect ourselves from a country that might attack us.

By selling weapons to a country that has attacked us. Makes perfect sense.

/or were the 9/11 hijackers Iraqi Iranian now

Yeah. It makes perfect sense.

The moneycons are saying FY to the neocons and the theocons.

Here:



Everyone who reads this owes me a billion dollars.

/see my eBay store for fissile materials
//best prices on the net!

Best President ever.



-Because he always gives tongue.

FTFA: Saudi Arabia, still in a formal state of war with Israel

Selling weapons systems to a country at war with an ally may not bother some Farkers but it's still a stupid move.

Making a move like this has *never* bit us in the ass before.

They can materialize Omar Sharif out of a sand dune to fight the Turks, and they still need more weapons?

Nuts to them. Let's sell to our good buddies Pakistan instead.

we should have invaded the saudis after 911.

Can one of you 'cons please explain to me WHY you support being buddies with the Saudi's?

I'm looking at you A.D,H.O.V and T.C.S.

JerkyMeat: we should have invaded the saudis Washington DC after 911 (after a formal declaration of war by Congress, of course).

FTFY

This thread is full of partisan fail...



Please, everyone, go read a book... a GOOD book.

PlasticMoby:

Both sides are getting what they want, albeit in a sadly shortsighted manner. The Saudi ruling family have no qualms about doing whatever is necessary to suppress dissent and stay in power. Since they sell us oil, we help them stay in power because we know their replacements wouldn't.

Of course, this policy fails to address the root issues on either side of the deal and it's frankly not in anyone's best interest. America would be better off if this deal were turned into money and a big-rig full of Benjamins pulled into alternative energy researchers instead, while both Saudi Arabia and America need to attack the underlying causes behind Islamic militants. Particularly, massive unemployment which leaves a lot of young men hopped up on hormoes sitting around all day thinking of people to blame, and America's domineering, arrogant foreign policy that gives them something to hate.

However, doing that will upset the status quo and a lot of people on all sides have a vested interest in the status quo:

* US warmongers: Distract people from our failed domestic policies
* Saudi ruling familiy: Keep political power
* Insurgient & religious leaders: Keep control over people by keeping them poor and miserable
* US military-industrial complex: Keep selling them bombs

/Fark the status quo

PlasticMoby: Can one of you 'cons please explain to me WHY you support being buddies with the Saudi's?

They provide a healthy supply of patsies for false flag operations, have lots of oil and own a good chunk of America.

The question your regime will soon be asking you is, why do you question what your government does - are you a terurist?

See how that works?

hopped up on hormones sitting

/I fail it... it is previewing

SemperLieSuckah: Please, everyone, go read a book... a GOOD book.

What the hell is a book?

And let's cut down the number of arm sales to their neighbors the bastion of peace, the personification of immunity so we can pay off some debt.

I cannot express the levels of fail that exist in that picture.
Not that you'd listen. It's cool to hate Israel on the internets!

/choice between "fires on targets hiding from reprisals in the midst of civilians" and "targets civilians" is no choice at all
//so many fail at it anyway
///amuses the shiat out of me the sympathetic Lebanese children are white

Easterned: And let's cut down the number of arm sales to their neighbors the bastion of peace, the personification of immunity so we can pay off some debt.

Arm sales ... tend to, you know, earn money. It's the foreign military aid that loses it.

"You have the makings of a resolution of disapproval," said Rep. Mark Kirk, an Illinois Republican"

So Bush will sell the guns anyway and get a nice kickback fee from his friends. Hurray for the people that brings freedom & democracy to the world.

/vomit

Simia Saturnalia:

/choice between "fires on targets hiding from reprisals in the midst of civilians" and "targets civilians" is no choice at all


Absolutely! Capture those minds and hearts baby - plastic bags not included.


//so many fail at it anyway

So, how is that half a century plus of this tactic working out for you?
Have you turned that corner yet?
I'm guessing you've got this problem pretty well licked by now, right?


///amuses the shiat out of me the sympathetic Lebanese children are white

Sadly, I will feel bad when the shoe hits the other foot and I don't know why.
You sound like the kind of guy that if you were Lebanese would be very forgiving
if it was your loved ones that had been obliterated by "making the right decision".

Perhaps we'll see...
I envision it going something like this...



Dear Mr. Simia Saturnalia,

I regret to inform you that all of your loved ones were obliterated during
a measured reprisal for an attack on our soil. While admittedly, everyone
dies over an extended period of time and in excruciating pain, we can all
take comfort in knowing you believe in this action as just, even if it is
somewhat barbaric.

Thank you for your understanding in this matter.
Oh, and have a nice day,

Regretfully,

Some butcher or another.
(Like it really makes a difference to you)

Hey, dying sucks. Dying in an exchange of fire for a cause that's not yours sucks more. Blame will, however, continue to lie with the cowards firing rockets and mortars from the cover of apartment buildings and hospitals, aiming teenage suicide bombers at teenage civilians, and fostering a culture of martyrdom amongst their pre-teen population, as opposed to the people defending their right to continue to exist.

Sorry, openly declared genocidal religio-political fantasies lose. No apologetics stand up.

/too farkin' many of us anyway

Blame will, however, continue to lie with the cowards firing rockets and mortars from the cover of apartment buildings and hospitals,

Yeah, blame will continue, despite the fact that it's complete bollocks.

Easterned:

You want to talk about murdering innocents? Go find out how many Israelis were killed by suicide bombers this year.

Let's give up the utterly bullshiat pretense that $MY_SIDE is a bunch of victims fighting valiantly to defend themselves and that $YOUR_SIDE are a bunch of evil faceless monsters. You both suck! Oh, and I can post stupid cartoons too:



/Sees where this thread is going
//Doesn't like it
///The middle east will soon collapse into a black hole of FAIL

Simia Saturnalia:

Hey, dying sucks. Dying in an exchange of fire for a cause that's not yours sucks more.

Getting you life cut short because of someone else trying to bully you sucks, as well.


Blame will, however, continue to lie with the cowards firing rockets and mortars from the cover of apartment buildings and hospitals, aiming teenage suicide bombers at teenage civilians, and fostering a culture of martyrdom amongst their pre-teen population...

As it should.


as opposed to the people defending their right to continue to exist.

So, in your mind it is forgiveable to knowingly kill an innocent person as long as it can be claimed that the action is based on "defending [your] right to continue to exist."

Using that logic, if someone fires a rocket or mortar at you, or aims teenage suicide bombers at teenage civilians because they think they are "defending their right to continue to exist" you would have no problem with that, right?

As to the line, "fostering a culture of martyrdom amongst their pre-teen population", we certainly would never call someone a hero for giving their life defending what they believe in, now would we?


Sorry, openly declared genocidal religio-political fantasies lose. No apologetics stand up.

Sure, but only as long as it isn't your "openly declared genocidal religio-political fantasies" right?



/too farkin' many of us anyway

In your opinion - which based on the rest of your opinions (above) don't really mean a lot to me.


Here's something you may not know...

It takes two...
Deal with it.

Only a fool continues the same strategy, failure after failure, in hopes that one day the results will change.

That goes for BOTH SIDES.

erik-k: Easterned:

You want to talk about murdering innocents? Go find out how many Israelis were killed by suicide bombers this year.

Let's give up the utterly bullshiat pretense that $MY_SIDE is a bunch of victims fighting valiantly to defend themselves and that $YOUR_SIDE are a bunch of evil faceless monsters. You both suck! Oh, and I can post stupid cartoons too:




7,633 Israelis and 31,531 Palestinians have been injured since September 29, 2000.

source
Hmmm.

A plan to sell Saudi Arabia highly accurate Boeing Co bomb-guidance kits is roiling Israel's backers in the Congress

Why would they care? We'll just kick Israel another couple of billion to shut them the fark up. That's all they want from us.

HotWingConspiracy: That's all they want from us.

Well, that and the whole 'invade Iran' thing.

lolmao666: Dude. Israel aren't supposed to be there. Arabs yes. See?

wait, what?

"supposed" is such a STOOOPID word to use in this discusion

unless everyone goes back to the damn rift valley in africa, the ONLY possible answer to "whose land is this?" is whoever controls it NOW.

this has been true since day 1, this will be true forever
as long as the concept of OWNERSHIP exists ...

the Israeli government CONTROLS their country ...
it is theirs ...

just like the americans "own" their country, the egyptians "own" egypt, and so on ...
unless you want to give the mideast back to ... the greeks? the romans? the hittites?

all you are talking about is the idea that the LOSERS should somehow get back what they lost ....
has NEVER worked that way
never will ...
not as long as there is ONE gun/knife/stick in the world and someone willing to use it ...

and arabs?
what the HELL do you mean by arabs?
the palestinians? the saudis? .... which arabs?
and what would you use to decide that their claim was "valid"?
and HOW would the jews claims be any less valid?
who wins? what day is the last cutoff for how far do you go back?
1911? 1600? 1200?
so ... no ... they got it, it is theres, the losers can a) go fark thier selves or 2) retake what WAS theirs ...

yawn ....

/waiting for MORE antisemitic spewage

lolmao666: erik-k: Dude. Israel aren't supposed to be there. Arabs yes. See?

And your holocaust, it happenned in GERMANY. So fark you.

Bother me with details when it's not 5am pls k thx.

/Shoulda drawn crazy-eyes on the dropper-guy

Simia Saturnalia: ///amuses the shiat out of me the sympathetic Lebanese children are white

It's a cartoon. How exactly can you tell the race of the children?

And, anyway, the thing that bothers me most about them is that it looks like the artist simply drew adults with really small bodies and kid's clothes on.

namatad: all you are talking about is the idea that the LOSERS should somehow get back what they lost ....
has NEVER worked that way
never will ...

India?

so ... no ... they got it, it is theres, the losers can a) go fark thier selves or 2) retake what WAS theirs ...

If this is a valid option, why does everyone cry when they attack illegal settlements?

Special delivery for this thread...

namatad
the Israeli government CONTROLS their country ...
it is theirs ...

Agreed. For better or for worse, Israel is rightfully there, and there to stay.

But here's the problem: they won't stay! Israel keeps trying to expand its borders by warfare, which is a violation of the charter of the very organization from which the state of Israel derives it's legitimacy in that region, not to mention just a really bad thing because it tends to cause perpetual wars. (I know, who'd have guessed, right?)

namatad:

waiting for MORE antisemitic spewage

Well then, how about this?

You tell me why it is so important for Israel to be located in what might be considered the absolutely worst area of the world? Was the the barren desert?

Don't you think the entire world, as well as the Israelis, would have been better off moving to a slice ot South America, one they could have easily bought with the money they have spent on destroying things?

Forget the cost of life - on both sides.

Nobody ever gets what they lost back?
I am noting you forgot to add, except Israel.

And no, I am not anti-Semitic.
Don't even go there.

It's all about the money. It always has been.

we might as well get some return on all that pork spending, and it isn't like terr are going to use JDAMs, I'd me more concerned if we were selling them pallets of fertilizer...

There's a certain presidential candidate who's been against selling weapons to the Saudis (along with Iraq and the rest of the middle east) since the early 80's.

Destroying human life in the hopes of saving human life is not ethical -- and it is not the only option before us -G.W. Bush

This statement shows the President's commitment to peace, and I for one believe him!

OMG!!! Selling weapons to a key ally in the MidEast? Bush is evil.

If you can't understand the difference between a country and its people, you're an idiot. I know many 9/11 hijackers were Saudi, but 9/11 was not Saudi state-sponsered.

Also, why do we always have to talk about the Israel/Palistine conlift when something happens in the middle east? I'm not going to come to this thread to talk about soccer, because it has nothing to do with the article

neilio42: le, you're an idiot. I know many 9/11 hijackers were Saudi, but 9/11 was not Saudi state-sponsered.

From what source of information do you reach this conclusion?

neilio42: Also, why do we always have to talk about the Israel/Palistine conlift when something happens in the middle east? I'm not going to come to this thread to talk about soccer, because it has nothing to do with the article

It's THE issue in the middle east. It really can't be ignored when Israel enters discussion.

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Destroying human life in the hopes of saving human life is not ethical -- and it is not the only option before us -G.W. Bush

This statement shows the President's commitment to peace, and I for one believe him!

I don't think I have seen you around these parts before, so I will go easy and give you a 1.5/10.

You're trying a bit too hard.

neilio42: I know many 9/11 hijackers were Saudi, but 9/11 was not Saudi state-sponsered.

This is true, but you have to admit, the type of society the people in power promote in Saudi Arabia promotes wahabism, and in turn the type of thinking that influnced the 9/11 highjackers.

I can't make any claim on the people of Saudi Arabia because I know very few personally. That I admit.

All I'm saying is out blind support of the Saudis (while I understand in a Real Politik kind of way) sickens me. It has a good potential to end badly.

See also: The Shah, The Taliban, Saddam.. others (feel free to pipe in anyone)

Skleenar: From what source of information do you reach this conclusion?

The info I have read suggests to me that it was a terror organization with members from many countries who were directly supported by the Taliban who were directly supported by the Pakistani ISI, certainly a case could be made that the ISI was involved somehow, but I don't see how the Saudi government could have been directly involved.

Skleenar: neilio42: le, you're an idiot. I know many 9/11 hijackers were Saudi, but 9/11 was not Saudi state-sponsered.

From what source of information do you reach this conclusion?

The bit about OBL not being head or part of the Saudi government.

The part about those men allying themselves with OBL and not Saudi Government.

The bit about OBL wanting to overthrow the Saudi Monarchy who are the heads of the Saudi state, whom OBL sees as a US collaborator.

Megain: it's not like we're selling them anything already...Saudi Arabia remains the top regional buyer of U.S. weapons, including Boeing F-15 fighter aircraft....

Ha! I hear those F-15's are breaking in half mid-flight and falling out of the sky. I may have found some new respect for POTUS.

/

Tor_Eckman: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Destroying human life in the hopes of saving human life is not ethical -- and it is not the only option before us -G.W. Bush

This statement shows the President's commitment to peace, and I for one believe him!

I don't think I have seen you around these parts before, so I will go easy and give you a 1.5/10.

You're trying a bit too hard.

I just wanted to show the hypocrisy of the president's statements. It's an actual quote.

/btw adjust your sarcasm meter, it should have registered at least an 8 when it tested my statement.
//the "troll alert" posts only show lack of a creative ability and/or reading comprehension, they entertain nobody but yourselves.(not just you, all "troll alerters")