"...their license fees pay for conversation efforts."

That would be correct.

"...their license fees pay for conversation efforts."

That would be correct.

Yes, it is...why does Subby find it hard to believe?

Elvis_Bogart: "...their license fees pay for conversation efforts."

That would be correct.

Yes, it is...why does Subby find it hard to believe?

Why do their fees go to help people talk??

I support conversation of our natural resources. The weather too, that's a good topic.

I'm not a hunter, but Ducks Unlimited is one of the good guys with regards to conservation.

hey subby:

cmunic8r99

Just wondering, did you read the article?

Cause I think you're the one on that failboat, not subby

hey subby

Yep you missed that one Hunters are great champions of the environment strange though it may sound. No wildlife no hunting right.

Some of the most earnest wildlife support groups are hunters, who simple want to make sure that game is sustainable. I am the biggest liberal douche in the room and even I know that.

Woah, you mean the hundreds of millions of dollars specifically earmarked for envirnomental protection generated by licensing fees and game tags does more than my drum circles and beard-braiding fundraisers?

NO WAY!!!11

I would love to see Huckabee win the GOP nomination so that Obama can have an easy win or Hillary can have a chance.

Submitter has done a good job of outing those who don't read the articles.

Good show.

Yup.

DNRTFA...

But if Huckabee said that then.. He's right.

Everyone knows what the license fees go for.

Everyone, apparently but you, subby.

It's called CONSERVATION.

Right now I'm going to eat a piece of elk jerky that my sister just made for me for Christmas. She shot it in November.

Thanks for making me hungry.

I was going to save it, but this thread makes me want to eat some elk.

The large herbivores are a HUGE threat to conservation if their numbers aren't kept in check, mostly because we've eliminated many of the non-human natural predators here (wolves, mountain lions, Leona Helmsley's Fur-Coat Coalition, etc.)

It seems subby thinks that hunting and conservation are diametrically opposed, completely forgetting about overpopulation.

Mmmmm...

My mouth is burning and I need a toothpick.

God, that's some good elk.

mr_a: "...their license fees pay for conversation efforts."

That would be correct.

LOL.

I guess it's true what they say, the first and last letter are the most important for reading (and I think the correct number and correct letters in the middle). Then your brain will rearrange them into the correct order even if they are out of order, such as in this example - I had to read it twice before I saw "conversation".

Anyway, if you change "conversation" to "conservation", I agree with both his points, and I'm not even a hunter.

Meh.

Guess what's more sustainable?

A. Hunting
B. Farm factory ranches

Hint: The answer is A.

I'm a goddamn VEGETARIAN (for environmental reasons, mostly) and I support hunting. It's sustainable and much, much, MUCH more environmentally friendly than purchasing steak from a cow slaughtered in Chicago, raised in California, that ate grain grown in Kansas. Not to mention the license fees paying for conservation efforts.

You suck, submitter.

/not all vegetarians are ALF freaks
//PETA people are okay, though a bit bizarre
///some of us just believe in living on as little as possible and, if possible, the land

Oh, wait. I just got it. I read it as "conservation", which was probably what Huckabee said, but yeah, submitter is probably making fun of the AP. Heh, sorry, mea culpa.

Cagey B: Submitter has done a good job of outing those who don't read the articles.

Not really, just those of us who don't toothpick the headlines. Still, mea culpa.

I seriously hope this is not his best attempt at being pro-gun. 4 out of 5 gun owners don't hunt. Being Pro-hunting does not win someone the pro-gun vote. Kerry learned that first hand in 04.

Crosshair: I seriously hope this is not his best attempt at being pro-gun. 4 out of 5 gun owners don't hunt. Being Pro-hunting does not win someone the pro-gun vote. Kerry learned that first hand in 04.

Source?

I'm not saying you're a liar. You're probably right, but I'm just saying that I've met very few gun-owners here in Arizona who weren't also hunters. Everybody in my little old hometown owns a gun. Almost everybody in rural AZ owns a gun.

The gun at my headboard is a Colt .38 Special, and the rifle at the side of my bed is my grandma's old (and mine, also) hunting rifle -- Model 98 Winchester .30-.30 lever action.

ecmoRandomNumbers: Source?

Kerry had a number of photo ops while hunting.

Bush won.

What other source do you need?

R.A.Danny: Kerry had a number of photo ops while hunting.

Bush won.

What other source do you need?

He's asking about the "4 out of 5 gun owners don't hunt" cite. In which a source is necessary.

LyleDAL: DNRTFA...

But if Huckabee said that then.. He's right.

Everyone knows what the license fees go for.

Everyone, apparently but you, subby.

Apparently you DRTFH either.

Good catch subby +1

/had to go back and read it twice before I "got it"

quadropheniac: He's asking about the "4 out of 5 gun owners don't hunt" cite. In which a source is necessary.

Believe it. Anecdotally, over years, personal experience, that is about right.

Not saying they never hunt, but that the reason they own guns is not for hunting.

I own guns. I have hunted. Not lately. Not expecting to in the near future, still own guns, and will own guns whether or not I ever hunt again.

4 out of 5 might be low.

R.A.Danny: Bush won.

Well yeah but Umairikuhns were also concerned that:

A) He changed his opinions and plans based on new information.
B) He had some silly photo-ops.
C) There were many pictures of his wife at 1/1000th shutter speed while she was changing expressions that made her look monstrous.

The garden variety average American voter is internally a 9 year old boy on all of the important issues. With a huge foundation of stupid Americans to make it a close race, Diebold to nudge it the way God intended, and a Supreme Court loaded with conservatives to override all of the above in case of emergency... yeah... Bush "won"*.

Given all the other insane things Chuckleberry believes in is it so surprising he thinks he can speak to animals on the hunter's dime?

fishrockcarving: Believe it. Anecdotally, over years, personal experience, that is about right.

I'm not doubting it, but I'm not believing it. Anecdotal evidence is not evidence.

quadropheniac: Anecdotal evidence is not evidence.

You mean it's not proof. It is evidence, that's why it is named as such.

ecmoRandomNumbers: Source?

Oh certainly, nothing wrong with asking someone to back up their statements.

There are about 13 million licensed hunters in the US. (new window)

As for the number of gun owners, that number is tricky since many people will lie because they are either suspicious of the government or live in an area where exercising that right is illegal and fear possible repercussions. (New York, Chicago, etc.)

Most figures put it between 60 million and 80 million gun owners in the US. I tend to side with the 80 million number. Some estimates put the number of gun owners even higher. A safe middle of the road ballpark number is 4 out of 5 gun owners are non-hunters.

Since this is a political thread, I'll post this link to a great article: Dems and the Gun Issue--Now What? (new window) The article is dirrected at Democrats, but applies to Republicans as well.

Crosshair: Dems and the Gun Issue--Now What? (new window) The article is dirrected at Democrats, but applies to Republicans as well.

That was quite good.

Echoic: You mean it's not proof. It is evidence, that's why it is named as such.

Evidence is hard, tangible, and based. Anecdotal evidence could very well be made up.

Naming something doesn't make it so. See: Fun-sized candy bars.

Hunters are good for conversation efforts! Look how many people have something to say!

Yesdog: Some of the most earnest wildlife support groups are hunters, who simple want to make sure that game is sustainable. I am the biggest liberal douche in the room and even I know that.

Well then, as the most liberal douche in the room, you should know that the noble American Indian used every part of the buffalo (including, and especially, the penis), and modern American hunters are just practicing so they can hunt Indians.

Get your farking facts straight.

FTA: He also says hunters are good for wildlife. He says they're interested in preserving species, and their license fees pay for conversation efforts.

So the fees for my fishing license goes to some 1 900 number or something?

In many cases, hunters are actually part of the ecology. I think in several Northern Midwest states there are so many deer that they are essentially nuisance animals.

If you travel to another state on a hunting trip, you will spend hundreds of dollars for the license just to get a "tag" so that you can legally shoot one deer or one elk.

If you're opposed to hunting for moral reasons, don't hunt. Hunting (and fishing and bird-shooting) in the US is carefully controlled so that it doesn't hurt the ecology. Focus your efforts on something else. Like condors, and whales. Or the Chinese River Dolphin--whoops! Too late.

So Huckabee just told the truth about hunters, what's your point?

"Paid too much for my huntin' license, Jethro. You?"

"Yep."

Hopefully Huckabee can help fix that. Improvement in the area of conversation helps everyone.

So THAT'S how Bush got human beings and fish to coexist peacefully!

randomjsa: So Huckabee just told the truth about hunters, what's your point?

IT'S A MISPRINT, people!


CONVERSATION =! CONSERVATION

It's fun to route out the dyslexics.

People, if you are sitting here honestly thinking that this is some joke or goof on Huckabee's part then you're either really ignorant or trying really hard to be funny and failing.

The license fees from hunting licenses are used for exactly what Huckabee said they are used for. He's not giving you an opinion, he's stating an absolute undeniable fact.

Yes, it's a misprint. Have fun with it or you will regret it when you are old and can't type anymore.

randomjsa: People, if you are sitting here honestly thinking that this is some joke or goof on Huckabee's part then you're either really ignorant or trying really hard to be funny and failing.

The license fees from hunting licenses are used for exactly what Huckabee said they are used for. He's not giving you an opinion, he's stating an absolute undeniable fact.

and it's my right as an american to state undeniably that i didn't know that before, and therefore assume you're trying to trick me or make me look dumb.

quadropheniac: Guess what's more sustainable?

A. Hunting

Technically yes, but most definitely not on the same scale as factory farming. Hunting cannot feed a large population and it's equally damaging to the conservation cause to present it as though it is. All you hunting types should be doing your best to keep the populace opposed to hunting - so there's enough left for you. If it becomes any more popular than it is, you'll strain the ecosystems to the point they can't cope anymore, and no amount of conservation will repair them.

Don't get me wrong, I like hunting, even though I've never been. It isn't a realistic option for me. But I do prefer the humane factor of hunting: "Huh...?" *BANG*
...to factory farming. It also tastes good and in moderation is better for you. But it can't become a lifestyle choice - it's a leisure pursuit and has to stay that way to remain viable.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071227/ap_on_el_pr/huckabee_s_hunt

Etchy333: It's fun to route out the dyslexics.

If you think that's fun, you should go to our Tuesday night meetings at the VFW hall for !DAM, Mothers against Dyslexia!

Failboaters, attribute the snafu to the AP writer, not the Huckster, douche as he is.

Etchy333 IT'S A MISPRINT, people!

It's a cookbook! A COOKBOOK!

/Speaking of hunting.