Hah! +1

Okay, refresh me. Which candidate is which?

This is Hillary, I know that one.

Don't remember.

Can't recall.

Repeat a brazillian times.

-or-

"my heart still tells me we didn't trade arms for hostages, but the facts show otherwise." Mr. R. Reagan, Patron Saint of Stupid Republicans.

You guys suck. Reagan respected the office so much he always wore a suit when he was in the Oval Office.

Yes - his suit was uncomfortable and hard to nap in but the principle was the same.

Good headline. As if there's anything to be learned from Reagan..

Colleges should drop all this math/science/liberal arts baloney and teach classes that actually benefit the students:

Reagan 101
Lying for morons
Advanced cheating on exams with you cellphones
Intro to selling fake IDs
Oversimplification: not just a very long word

I'm starting to think the Reagan years are becoming similar to the 1950's for Republicans. The further we get away from them, the more they're remembered as idyllic times when everything was right in the world. For the life of me I don't know why this is the case.

The deification of that lying old farknut Ronnie Raygun just defies all logic.
Which is what I'd expect from Republicons.

+1 subby

ProdigalSigh: I'm starting to think the Reagan years are becoming similar to the 1950's for Republicans. The further we get away from them, the more they're remembered as idyllic times when everything was right in the world. For the life of me I don't know why this is the case.

For me, those were my Junior High/High School years. AKA the worst years of my life..

Reagan 101 consists of a single lesson: pretend Reagan is Jesus.

Yeah right. All the democrats said communism was the wave of the future.. the soviet economy was strong, etc.

Reagan confronted them, and proved them wrong. Now the dems pretend Reagan had nothing to do with it.

I have never figured out why "liberals" have such a soft spot for totalitarianism (as long as its in the name of the left).

Reagan's economic policies made perfect sense.

Let me explain the trickle-down theory so that even you mouth-breathers can understand it:

Let's say I want to water my lawn, but at the same time, I'm thirsty. What do I do? Rather than just water the lawn, I drink from the hose and then piss my pants, letting the piss trickle down my leg and onto the lawn.

I hope that was helpful.

"Reagan Smmmash!"

"what's that sound"

"oh that's just Reagan, just ignore him, he'll tire himself out"

"Reagan sleeepy"

Bonzo goes to Bitburg:



Lots of the Republican Guard gush over Raygun like a gay Judy Garland fanboy, but they never seem to remember that time that he defied world opinion to pay solemn, official US respects to dead SS officers. That's one of my faves.

Remember when the Taliban was declared "the Founding Fathers" of Afghanistan in a White House Rose Garden announcement?

Hilarious!

Mars232: Im glad hes dead.

We've all got our enemies. I'm waiting for Jimmy Carter to kick the bucket, the last of our hippie-produced national shames. Then to watch as they scuttle the USS Jimmy Carter in budget cuts.

/because I know somacandra would want to be part of this thread

Tabatha Static: /because I know somacandra would want to be part of this thread

You say that like it's a bad thing. You're no doubt aware we turned right around and provided Iraq information and reconnaissance to facilitate their killing of Iran, yes? We played'em for suckers.

Comrade438: You say that like it's a bad thing. You're no doubt aware we turned right around and provided Iraq information and reconnaissance to facilitate their killing of Iran, yes? We played'em for suckers.

Yeah, and that turned out awesome.

Comrade438: You say that like it's a bad thing. You're no doubt aware we turned right around and provided Iraq information and reconnaissance to facilitate their killing of Iran, yes? We played'em for suckers.

It's ok because we were assisting BOTH ruthless dictatorships!

Tabatha Static: Comrade438: You say that like it's a bad thing. You're no doubt aware we turned right around and provided Iraq information and reconnaissance to facilitate their killing of Iran, yes? We played'em for suckers.

Yeah, and that turned out awesome.

Well, they certainly learned that taking American citizens hostage has an uncanny correlation with massive causalities from a prolonged and bloody war.

Ahh, ripping on a dead guy.

Stay classy libs!

/I ask if you have no shame... but the fact that you don't is patently obvious.
//Viva le Reagan Revolution!

I always liked the "Murdering Archbishops by proxy during Mass" bit.

Comrade438: Well, they certainly learned that taking American citizens hostage has an uncanny correlation with massive causalities from a prolonged and bloody war clandestine arms deals arranged at the highest levels of power that helped to establish a vicious Shi'ite theocracy as a regional superpower that the US still can't get a grip on.

FTFM


...and let's not forget how a decade's worth of senseless butchery in southwest Asia took care of the US's Saddam Hussein problem.

colovion: Ahh, ripping on a dead guy.

Stay classy libs!

/I ask if you have no shame... but the fact that you don't is patently obvious.
//Viva le Reagan Revolution!

Let's see how 'classy' conservatives are when Bill Clinton dies.

ProdigalSigh: I'm starting to think the Reagan years are becoming similar to the 1950's for Republicans. The further we get away from them, the more they're remembered as idyllic times when everything was right in the world. For the life of me I don't know why this is the case.

I think it comes down to the Republicans wanting to claim credit for collapsing Communisim. If they don't choose Reagan(who was there when it happened), they have two options:

Nixon who was in office for five years, was part of the liberal wing of the Republican party(when they had one), expanded the government, called for universal health care, had what some might call ethical issues, and left office with poor popularity.

Ford who was in office for three years, was associated with Nixon, got hit with the blame for Nixon's pulling out of Vietnam, and was forced to deal with the same economic realities that crippled Carter's administration.

With these as the other two options, the Republican party, with their new strong social conservative stance, probably found Reagan the only option to advertise their success and values.

Honestly I think Nixon deserves more of the credit, not for ending the Soviet Union, but for setting up the political framework to prevent further Cuban Missile Crises while letting the Soviet Union die on its own. I think he was a complete bastard, but give him his due.

I almost expect the Republican party to drop Reagan from the list of heroes in coming decades due to his involvement with immigrant amnesty. Either that or say he had been duped by his advisers again.

Inigo_Montoya: I always liked the "Murdering Archbishops by proxy during Mass" bit.

Yeah, that was a good one. But then there's the Jonas-Savimbi-as-freedom-fighter thing... that rocks.

But don't forget the glory that was Grenada!

RocsFlight: I almost expect the Republican party to drop Reagan from the list of heroes in coming decades due to his involvement with immigrant amnesty. Either that or say he had been duped by his advisers again.

I don't think that will be a problem; they can just ignore it like so many other things that don't fit their agenda.

If they could go around saying "we've been at war with Iran ever since the hostage crisis" and then talk about how great Reagan was, I don't think there's anything that selective memory and denial can't accomplish.

I have never figured out why "liberals" have such a soft spot for totalitarianism (as long as its in the name of the left).

Funny, that's the same thing I think about neo-cons who have a soft spot for every tinhorn right wing dictator who puroports to fight the socialists and the trade unions in the name of "freedom'. Meh !

Tabatha Static
Comrade438: Well, they certainly learned that taking American citizens hostage has an uncanny correlation with massive causalities from a prolonged and bloody war clandestine arms deals arranged at the highest levels of power that helped to establish a vicious Shi'ite theocracy as a regional superpower that the US still can't get a grip on.

FTFM


...and let's not forget how a decade's worth of senseless butchery in southwest Asia took care of the US's Saddam Hussein problem.

Silly libs, you don't realize that reality has no place in a discussion about Reagan!!!!

ronald reagan: overrated president or the most overrated president?

Mister "Pats in the Series" would do well to better familiarize himself with Reagan's actual record. He signed a couple of pretty significant tax increases into law.

"Politics is just like show business. You have a hell of an opening, coast for a while, and then have a hell of a close."
--Ronald Reagan to aide Stuart Spencer, 1966

I lol'd

People, please tell me you are not actually trying to make Reagan a hero?

It is simply not possible.

Tabatha Static: Comrade438: Well, they certainly learned that taking American citizens hostage has an uncanny correlation with massive causalities from a prolonged and bloody war clandestine arms deals arranged at the highest levels of power that helped to establish a vicious Shi'ite theocracy as a regional superpower that the US still can't get a grip on.

FTFM


...and let's not forget how a decade's worth of senseless butchery in southwest Asia took care of the US's Saddam Hussein problem.

how exactly did we "establish" a shiite theocracy? I mean holy crap that is one nasty stupid lie.

This headline makes me want to rejoin TotalFark just so I can +1 it.

Inigo_Montoya: I always liked the "Murdering Archbishops by proxy during Mass" bit.

I enjoyed the 'arming Contra rebels in Nicaragua who killed people trying to vote at the polling places on election days even as Reagan claimed to be fighting for democracy there'.

aeai: how exactly did we "establish" a shiite theocracy? I mean holy crap that is one nasty stupid lie.

No, you're right... "establish" is not the right word at all. "Bolster with weapons and intelligence since 1979 and throughout the Iran-Iraq war" would be more accurate.

I retract "establish."

T.M.S.: People, please tell me you are not actually trying to make Reagan a hero?

It is simply not possible.

Sure it is. If the left can have people like Che and Mumia as heros, I see no reason why a great man like Reagan can't be a conservative hero!

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: First, and obviously, the tons of people in Hungary, since at least 56, and Czechoslovakia, since at least 68, and Poland, since at least 80, and tons of people in between, had a hell of a lot more to do with the collapse of that regime than Regan standing on a ledge and telling them to "take down this wall." I believe that task came down to the East Germans, you tard, and then the West Germans helped.

Bullshiat, Reagan did it all on his own! And don't even get me started on how little that do-nothing slacker Gorbachev did....

Tabatha Static: No, you're right... "establish" is not the right word at all. "Bolster with weapons and intelligence since 1979 and throughout the Iran-Iraq war" would be more accurate.

I retract "establish."

It would be accurate. If you also mentioned our assistance to Saddam, whom we supplied with intelligence for use against our Iranian "friends". Not our fault the Soviets, French and Chinese beat us to the punch of actually providing him munitions and armament.

Comrade438: Not our fault the Soviets, French and Chinese beat us to the punch of actually providing him munitions and armament.

But that nerve gas that Saddam used against the Iranian trenches and the Kurds and the rebel Shi'ites inside his own borders? Well, now, that's a reallllly interesting story...

If conservatives want a hero, they should pick FDR. Seriously. If it hadn't been for him, there might very well have been a "Communist Revolution" that they were so afraid of. I doubt a nation full of poor and starving people was just going to keel over and die for the sake of capitalism. I refer you to the French Revolution for evidence.

By the time the 80's rolled around, communism was on its way out. The Soviets were losing control of their puppet states, and the people of Eastern Europe were finally getting sick of them. I don't think Reagan's sabre-rattling and talk of "limited" nuclear war did anything to help.

Reagan confronted them, and proved them wrong. Now the dems pretend Reagan had nothing to do with it.

Getting upset because Gorberchov had been considered a man of peace and decided to pull down the Berlin Wall that you go to Berlin and ask him to pull down this wall, doesn't mean he did anything but prolonged the Cold War by years. It is no different than the claims that in one day he got the hostages in Iran free, that sending a few hundred stinger missiles single handedly forced the Soviets to withdraw from Afghanistan. Or that arming Saddam Huissen with weapons of mass destruction to use on Iranians would ge a great idea at stablising the region.

Tabatha Static: Comrade438: Not our fault the Soviets, French and Chinese beat us to the punch of actually providing him munitions and armament.

But that nerve gas that Saddam used against the Iranian trenches and the Kurds and the rebel Shi'ites inside his own borders? Well, now, that's a reallllly interesting story...

You bet it is. Germans are nasty folk, providing all that material and technological assistance. Almost as if they've had experience with such things...

Comrade438: Germans are nasty folk, providing all that material and technological assistance.

The US provided less conventional military equipment than British or German companies but it did allow the export of biological agents, including anthrax; vital ingredients for chemical weapons; and cluster bombs sold by a CIA front organisation in Chile , the report says.

On November 1 1983, the secretary of state, George Shultz, was passed intelligence reports of "almost daily use of CW [chemical weapons]" by Iraq.

However, 25 days later, Ronald Reagan signed a secret order instructing the administration to do "whatever was necessary and legal" to prevent Iraq losing the war.

...In December Mr Rumsfeld, hired by President Reagan to serve as a Middle East troubleshooter, met Saddam Hussein in Baghdad and passed on the US willingness to help his regime and restore full diplomatic relations.

Mr Rumsfeld has said that he "cautioned" the Iraqi leader against using banned weapons. But there was no mention of such a warning in state department notes of the meeting.

...In 1988, the Dow Chemical company sold $1.5m-worth (£930,000) of pesticides to Iraq despite suspicions they would be used for chemical warfare.

The only occasion that Iraq's use of banned weapons seems to have worried the Reagan administration came in 1988, after Lt Col Francona toured the battlefield on the al-Faw peninsula in southern Iraq and reported signs of sarin gas.

"When I was walking around I saw atropine injectors lying around. We saw decontamination fluid on vehicles, there were no insects," said Mr Francona, who has written a book on shifting US policy to Iraq titled Ally to Adversary. "There was a very quick response from Washington saying, 'Let's stop our cooperation' but it didn't last long - just weeks."

Donald_McRonald: Reagan's economic policies made perfect sense.

Let me explain the trickle-down theory so that even you mouth-breathers can understand it:

Let's say I want to water my lawn, but at the same time, I'm thirsty. What do I do? Rather than just water the lawn, I drink from the hose and then piss my pants, letting the piss trickle down my leg and onto the lawn.

I hope that was helpful.

AHHHHHahahahah

Mitt is dumb