"Because it was thought the commission could ask about tapes at some point, they were not destroyed while the commission was active," Mansfield said.



Riiiiiight. They just didn't turn over the tapes or tell anyone about their existence. See - the problem with a lie of omission is that it's STILL a lie.

Ok, but what about any of that is a problem ? Just more baseless complaints from libs who hate America.

Mordant: Ok, but what about any of that is a problem ? Just more baseless complaints from libs who hate America.

You're still doing it wrong.

I'm actually completely serious about not going after anyone over this. First is the fact that any attempt at justice will basically just be money thrown into a fire, there won't be any meaningful results. Second, it's not worth fighting the people that have supported this crap and will continue to do so. Just give them all the rope they want and hope that there's enough left to fix after they've destroyed themselves.

Mordant: First is the fact that any attempt at justice will basically just be money thrown into a fire

How does this not cause you to rise into an angered passion as fiery as the flames of a thousand supernovas?

You mean torturing people is wrong? Hmmm . . . Maybe someone should let Bush know.

I'm beginning to think some officials in our government, somewhere, need to be tried for treason and hanged.

Mordant: I'm actually completely serious about not going after anyone over this. First is the fact that any attempt at justice will basically just be money thrown into a fire, there won't be any meaningful results. Second, it's not worth fighting the people that have supported this crap and will continue to do so. Just give them all the rope they want and hope that they hang themselves with it.

FTFY

I really, really, really don't care about this issue. I really don't care what the CIA does to Islamofascist Killbots. Really.

/wake me when the CIA does this native born, non-muslim americans

Thanks, Dubya, I'm f*cking ashamed to be an American. You stupid, arrogant, brain-diseased douchenozzle, you've set back American foreign policy by decades.

puffy999

I'm beginning to think some officials in our government, somewhere, need to be tried for treason and hanged.

I agree, there are a lot of democrats in Congress that we can start with!

I'm so happy the Conservatives of this nation are restoring truth, honesty and integrity back into our government.

/not

Waterboarding is a crime against humanity, but tasers are GREAT! In fact, Durham PD is buying more!

This is what you as a taxpayer are paying them to do, every day, as a job.

And it suprises you?

I love this story. This is the gift all liberals were waiting for. Merry Christmas from me: Sandy Berger

Darth Shatner Quote 2007-12-22 05:10:09 PM
puffy999

I'm beginning to think some officials in our government, somewhere, need to be tried for treason and hanged.

I agree, there are a lot of democrats in Congress that we can start with!

Yeah, because bullheaded party allegiance are more important than your lies !!!

ummm.....Mordant......you're looking at a tree, and missing the forest.

For those of you paying attention, almost the entire narrative of the AQ hijackers was provided by the interrogation of those morans, and the 9/11 commission report caveatted that narrative by saying they were not provided access to 1st person sources. If only there were tapes.........

Don't 'board me, bro!

mark12A: I really, really, really don't care about this issue. I really don't care what the CIA does to Islamofascist Killbots. Really.

/wake me when the CIA does this native born, non-muslim americansinnocent human beings who aren't legitimate enemy combatants.

Fixed so you don't give the rest of us natural-born, non-Muslim Americans a bad name. =)

Cheers.

Jesus was tortured and that's why I support our use of it. However I see why some Christians might think differently.

ThunderPelvis
Thanks, Dubya, I'm f*cking ashamed to be an American. You stupid, arrogant, brain-diseased douchenozzle, you've set back American foreign policy by decades.

You are more than welcome to leave this country if you are so ashamed to be a part of it. I'm curious, what country would you be proud to be a citizen of?

Anton's Screen Name: mark12A: I really, really, really don't care about this issue. I really don't care what the CIA does to Islamofascist Killbots. Really.

/wake me when the CIA does this to native born, non-muslim americansinnocent human beings who aren't legitimate enemy combatants.

Fixed so you don't give the rest of us natural-born, non-Muslim Americans a bad name. =)

Cheers.


Oops. Corrected my HTML typo. =p

If Nancy Pelosi knew about the tapes back in 2002 (and supported the measures on the tapes), how could they have been considered "hidden"?

vdantev

Yeah, because bullheaded party allegiance are more important than your lies !!!

My lies?

please tell me more.

You pacifist libs just amuse the shiat out of me here. Al Queada doesn't follow the Geneva Conventions but we should because we are "Better" than them?

What do you say to yourselves when you see a hundred people blown up my Islamic extremeist, it's Bush's fault?

War is not pretty but you don't have to be a pussy and pretend it isn't a serious matter. Now go back to your little secure video game playing lives and stfu.

No whining like liberal whining.

Torture is awesome. You should try it yourselves.

Darth Shatner: ThunderPelvis
Thanks, Dubya, I'm f*cking ashamed to be an American. You stupid, arrogant, brain-diseased douchenozzle, you've set back American foreign policy by decades.

You are more than welcome to leave this country if you are so ashamed to be a part of it. I'm curious, what country would you be proud to be a citizen of?

I see you are filled with the old "America, Love It or Leave It" idiocy that was so prevalent long ago.

However, I see your point on other countries, as the whole world has become filled with massive BS, both left and right.

nomad: You pacifist libs just amuse the shiat out of me here. Al Queada doesn't follow the Geneva Conventions but we should because we are "Better" than them?

What do you say to yourselves when you see a hundred people blown up my Islamic extremeist, it's Bush's fault?

War is not pretty but you don't have to be a pussy and pretend it isn't a serious matter. Now go back to your little secure video game playing lives and stfu.

So in order to protect our lives, our honor and our integrity you suggest we should act dishonorably and behave as badly as our enemies?

A question to Conservative Americans:

How the fark is this about being a conservative or liberal? This is an agency lying about a 9/11 report. This is an agency which is obstructing justice towards the people who were responsible for 9/11. Dont you want to find out who was responsible for 9/11?

Darth Shatner: You are more than welcome to leave this country if you are so ashamed to be a part of it. I'm curious, what country would you be proud to be a citizen of?

Shouldn't you be out waterboarding some Islamofascists? Maybe you can find something nice and white hot and plaster it all over an alleged terrorist's genitals. That's what a real American would do, right? Protect the Father...oops, I mean Homeland...right?

nomad Quote 2007-12-22 05:19:43 PM
You pacifist libs just amuse the shiat out of me here.

So I guess you're signing up for military service today?

/money where your mouth is, B*TCH.

nomad: but we should because we are "Better" than them?

I notice how better is in quotation marks.
Are you trying to say you guys are no better than Al-Qaeda?

Nothing to see here, move along sheep.

Darth Shatner Quote 2007-12-22 05:18:19 PM
vdantev

Yeah, because bullheaded party allegiance are more important than your lies !!!

My lies?

please tell me more.

I was referring to the lies of your political association and you knew that- pick your nits elsewhere.

/context; it's not just for breakfast anymore.

muslim_pakistani_guy: A question to Conservative Americans:

How the fark is this about being a conservative or liberal? This is an agency lying about a 9/11 report. This is an agency which is obstructing justice towards the people who were responsible for 9/11. Dont you want to find out who was responsible for 9/11?

Wasn't Iraq responsible for 9-11, Britney's breakdown and Firefly going off the air????

/sarcasm

Waterboarding: if it's good enough for Pol Pot, then it's good enough for America.

Morbo: "Morbo demands an answer to the following question. If you saw delicious candy in the hands of a small child. Would you seize and consume it?"
John Jackson: "Unthinkable."
Jack Johnson: "I wouldn't think of it."
Morbo: "What about you Mr. Nixon? I remind you. You are under of a truth-o-scope."
Nixon: "Question is vague. You don't say what kind of candy and whether anyone is watching. In any case I certainly wouldn't harm the child."

nomad: War is not pretty but you don't have to be a pussy and pretend it isn't a serious matter. Now go back to your little secure video game playing lives and stfu.

I'm sorry, I missed the part where Congress passed a Declaration of War. You, sir, are a moron and shouldn't be allowed access to the internet. Or out of your house during the daytime. In fact, I'm surprised they let you tie your own shoes.

Weaver95: I say we need to do what needs to be done to win this thing. If that involves beating the life out of some Jihadist to get information than so be it. This game we are playing is costing us soldiers and innocent civilians in order to appear "Noble and Honorable" to the rest of the world.

I say we either fight to win or we go back to the days when we just took terrorists bombings and killings as just another day in the news.

TxRabbit

I see you are filled with the old "America, Love It or Leave It" idiocy that was so prevalent long ago.

I see your filled with low reading comprehension..

I never said America - love it or leave it. I told him he was more than welcome to leave, not that he had to. I let him know he had a choice to cleanse himself of his national shame. nothing more....nothing less.

Then I asked him a simple question of which I noticed he could not answer.

Weaver95: So in order to protect our lives, our honor and our integrity you suggest we should act dishonorably and behave as badly as our enemies?

And there's also a self-interest angle to this.

If we torture our prisoners of war and violate the Geneva Conventions, our own soldiers are put at risk. If the largest, most powerful nation doesn't respect these principles, will anyone?

*sigh*

What depresses me the most about all of this is that we are supposed to be the Good Guys.

nomad: Weaver95: I say we need to do what needs to be done to win this thing. If that involves beating the life out of some Jihadist to get information than so be it. This game we are playing is costing us soldiers and innocent civilians in order to appear "Noble and Honorable" to the rest of the world.

I say we either fight to win or we go back to the days when we just took terrorists bombings and killings as just another day in the news.

You don't get it, do you. If we give up our morals, if we give up our freedoms then the terrorists have won. You are allowing the terrorists to win. You are destroying America.

nomad: Al Queada doesn't follow the Geneva Conventions but we should because we are "Better" than them?

Yes, thanks for asking.

citizen905: No whining like liberal whining.

Torture is awesome. You should try it yourselves.

I am trying it right now -- reading your posts.

1/10 troll

muslim_pakistani_guy: nomad: but we should because we are "Better" than them?

I notice how better is in quotation marks.
Are you trying to say you guys are no better than Al-Qaeda?

Can I have a try at this one?

Have our extremists flown planes into their skyscrapers?

Have we beheaded their journalists?

Have our extremists taken their aggravation with their elites out on their working class?

Do we dance in the streets with images of suffering in their country?

Since the answer to none of these questions is "yes," then I'd have to reply to your question with a resounding "yes."

/Individually, maybe not, but culturally, yes/

nomad: Weaver95: I say we need to do what needs to be done to win this thing. If that involves beating the life out of some Jihadist to get information than so be it. This game we are playing is costing us soldiers and innocent civilians in order to appear "Noble and Honorable" to the rest of the world.

I think you've somehow managed to miss the entire point of how and why this country was founded.

For all you brain dead idiots who are not getting my point I will explain it a little slower for you here.

We either play to win or we go back to pre 9-11 days and just take it. For you to condemn what this country is trying to do in order to protect the citizens of this country is truly amazing.

You know, I get it. Having been to Iraq and seen what the Islamofacsists are capable of, and their insane logic, and their zombie-like religion, I totally understand 100% why the concept of torturing these sub-human numb nuts is so appealing. I get a similar feeling every time I happen to catch some video of those poor SOBs jumping out of the WTC instead of burning to death - it is hard for anyone with a molecule of testosterone in their body to not seriously give some thought to the Glass Parking Lot school of middle east diplomacy when seeing something so horrific.

But here is the thing; as a nation, we are supposed to be bigger then that. That sort of logic is precisely the same that the Islamofacsists have gone down to justify their abhorrent actions and it is not a path that our nation should ever even be flirting with. That is what is supposed to make America so f-ing grand.

And from a purely economic cost/benefit analysis, our flirtation with gulags and TortureLite© have had a negative effect. Yes, there have been some benefits - it feels really nice to think of these Hadjis getting the stick and there ARE some intelligence benefits to invoking the name "Gitmo" on people in places like Iraq and Afghanistan to get them to give up information. On the other hand, we have broken some sacred rules of what this country stands for, begun traveling down a very dark path in our definition of the word "justice" and utterly decimated our standing in the world as a humane and democratic superpower.

This needs to end. Now.

ThunderPelvis

Shouldn't you be out waterboarding some Islamofascists? Maybe you can find something nice and white hot and plaster it all over an alleged terrorist's genitals. That's what a real American would do, right? Protect the Father...oops, I mean Homeland...right?

Shouldn't you be out spitting on our soldiers, marines, and sailors when they get off airplanes?

Really, though....Of what nation in the world could you be proud of being a citizen?