This is interesting to me.

Repeat yeah..

I stick with the point I make before (I think)

fark Gibson.

fark your Les Paul.

fark your "OMG BOUTIQUE AND VINGTAGE OMG OMG OMG CLASSIC!" bulltwattery.

Dean ML XM
+ EMG 85/81 + PA2 +jfet preamp (A preamp for a preamp for a preamp? ZOMG)
+ Gotoh Tune-o-matic
+ Grover Tuners
+ 1 Can Black spraypaint

= Axe of the Mighty Priest.

Real men tune their guitars with their ears.

Pussies.

So they like the equal temperament? Music is more than 12 tones.

A friend of mine sold the patent for this a long time ago....

spend 2 grand to have something tune your guitar, are we really this lazy

old news, and that guitar is about 2000 anyway so it's really not that much more.

Now all it needs is one of these necks on it to make sure it's actually in tune all over the neck, not just the open strings in tune.

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dlpriest: Repeat yeah..

I stick with the point I make before (I think)

fark Gibson.

fark your Les Paul.

fark your "OMG BOUTIQUE AND VINGTAGE OMG OMG OMG CLASSIC!" bulltwattery.

Dean ML XM
+ EMG 85/81 + PA2 +jfet preamp (A preamp for a preamp for a preamp? ZOMG)
+ Gotoh Tune-o-matic
+ Grover Tuners
+ 1 Can Black spraypaint

= Axe of the Mighty Priest.

My 'boutique' Matchless amp and 1969 gold top Les Paul just took your rig out behind the woodshed and administered a righteous tonealiceous whoopin'.

YOU will kindly get off my farking lawn.

/was playing Judas Priest covers when you were in short pants
//good DAY sir!

Still Itchy: dlpriest: Repeat yeah..

I stick with the point I make before (I think)

fark Gibson.

fark your Les Paul.

fark your "OMG BOUTIQUE AND VINGTAGE OMG OMG OMG CLASSIC!" bulltwattery.

Dean ML XM
+ EMG 85/81 + PA2 +jfet preamp (A preamp for a preamp for a preamp? ZOMG)
+ Gotoh Tune-o-matic
+ Grover Tuners
+ 1 Can Black spraypaint

= Axe of the Mighty Priest.

My 'boutique' Matchless amp and 1969 gold top Les Paul just took your rig out behind the woodshed and administered a righteous tonealiceous whoopin'.

YOU will kindly get off my farking lawn.

/was playing Judas Priest covers when you were in short pants
//good DAY sir!

Well said, Still Itchy...and while your rig was giving him a well-deserved spanking, my LP Standard running through a Laney 30 watt head and Peavey 4x12 (loaded w/ Celstian Greenbacks) was handing you a beer to keep your energy up.

There is nothing...NOTHING like a Gibson Les Paul. Period.

Br34ch: Real men tune their guitars with their ears.

Pussies.

Would that be ear pussies?

RagingLeonard: There is nothing...NOTHING like a Gibson Les Paul. Period.

I bought a very good copy that I thought was pretty damn close. I'm a bass player by nature, so to my hands and ears, it was just as good. That was until a buddy came by with his 59 double cutaway. It showed that my copy wasn't as good as I originally thought. :(

If you can't tune the damn thing, you probably won't be able to play it either.

RagingLeonard:

Still Itchy: dlpriest: Repeat yeah..

I stick with the point I make before (I think)

fark Gibson.

fark your Les Paul.

fark your "OMG BOUTIQUE AND VINGTAGE OMG OMG OMG CLASSIC!" bulltwattery.

Dean ML XM
+ EMG 85/81 + PA2 +jfet preamp (A preamp for a preamp for a preamp? ZOMG)
+ Gotoh Tune-o-matic
+ Grover Tuners
+ 1 Can Black spraypaint

= Axe of the Mighty Priest.

My 'boutique' Matchless amp and 1969 gold top Les Paul just took your rig out behind the woodshed and administered a righteous tonealiceous whoopin'.

YOU will kindly get off my farking lawn.

/was playing Judas Priest covers when you were in short pants
//good DAY sir!

Well said, Still Itchy...and while your rig was giving him a well-deserved spanking, my LP Standard running through a Laney 30 watt head and Peavey 4x12 (loaded w/ Celstian Greenbacks) was handing you a beer to keep your energy up.

There is nothing...NOTHING like a Gibson Les Paul. Period.


My '61 Jazzmaster scoffs at all of you.

If you can't tune the damn thing, you probably won't be able to play it either.

The biggest point of the guitar is it can easily change tuning to different tuning (rather than the normal EADGBE). I have my one acoustic out of standard tuning and I wouldn't want to spend time changing the tuning of a guitar for one song...if the guitar did it for me, in seconds, then I'd definitely be doing it.

/It's cool, but I wouldn't pay that much for it

Johnny C:

The biggest point of the guitar is it can easily change tuning to different tuning (rather than the normal EADGBE). I have my one acoustic out of standard tuning and I wouldn't want to spend time changing the tuning of a guitar for one song...if the guitar did it for me, in seconds, then I'd definitely be doing it.


Generally speaking, I can't say I've sensed it was that big of a problem among guitarists I've seen perform who rely on a variety of tunings. Some of them are particularly good at running a line of patter with their audience while changing over; no-one seems bothered at all.

A lot of guitarists just use multiple guitars.
Personally I don't like the hassle. If it were just a couple strings, it's not a big deal--but when it's 5 or all of them, I'd rather just have another guitar or one that would do it itself.

Truth be told, there are some songs that I will never play on my 12-string, simply because I would not want to mess with detuning that.

This will eventually have the same effect as calculators did on our ability to do math in our heads. These guitars are very cool but when the technology is cheap enough and they can put one on any guitar there will be far to many new players that will never really learn how to properly tune a guitar. That will be a sad day indeed.

Now if only they can invent a guitar that change its strings, we'll be in business.

One of the cool things you can do with a guitar like this is strum an open chord and then change the tuning while it rings. The chord will "morph" into another cord while it rings.

Jimmy Page used this technique on tour with the Black Crowes during "Whole Lotta Love," with a self-tuning LP system made by a different company.

Johnny C:

Truth be told, there are some songs that I will never play on my 12-string, simply because I would not want to mess with detuning that.


I can't imagine messing with different tunings on a 12-string, at least not in a live setting. Yeah, that's a whole 'nother deal there; it's hard enough just keeping it straight with a standard tuning! For recording, sure, then it can be worth the trouble -- the different sounds and harmonics coming out of a 12-string using different tunings can be pretty amazing.

CravenMorehead: This will eventually have the same effect as calculators did on our ability to do math in our heads. These guitars are very cool but when the technology is cheap enough and they can put one on any guitar there will be far to many new players that will never really learn how to properly tune a guitar. That will be a sad day indeed.

Well that could be said for a chromatic tuner- it makes it (too?) easy to tune and reduces your ability to tune by ear.
I think it has its place, but a beginning guitarist is not going to have a $2200 guitar at their disposal (probably).

There really is nothing like a Les Paul.

And Deans are ugly.

/

Are we having a Les Paul CJ? '95 Studio... sold a '67 Mustang to afford it when I bought it brand new. Best farking decision of my musical life

Which is sadder: the fact that I know what song the headline refers to, or the fact that the entire song is only three chords?

DrBenway:
I can't imagine messing with different tunings on a 12-string, at least not in a live setting.

It helps if you have a guy with a reverse mohawk telling whacked-out stories while the audience waits.

I Like Bread:

It helps if you have a guy with a reverse mohawk telling whacked-out stories while the audience waits.


Always.

gibson makes some real quality. i have a mexican lite ash tele and i love it though. its all about what you need. serious musicians need more the gibsons, jimmy down the block just needs his squier for the green day covers.

If tuning your guitar is the hard part, you're doing it wrong.
/BC Rich collector.
//Freelance guitar-tuner.

Too many elitists in here screaming about their "vintage" bullshiat.

"tonewoods", lol.

The only vintage thing you need is a vintage floyd rose, or a floyd rose original failing that.

Everything else, pure sauce.

Your piece of shiat from '66 went up in flames along with the woodshed. I can rebuild my guitar for under $700, what you gonna do when your grandpas guitar takes the long drive down shiatlane? Sweet fark all.

Tonewoods.. lol, don't get me started on how asinine the idea of tonewoods is.

This is 2007, soon to be 2008, relying on WOOD for tone and sustain is a fools game with todays technology.

But no go ahead, cling to your shiatbox that Moses belted a few arpeggios out on to entertain the desert wanderin' folk.

DEAN ML

SH-13/b SH-10/n
Licensed Floyd
jfet preamp (as always)

Dean ML XM
Paulownia body (Headstock weighs more than the body)
EMG 85/81
jfet, PA2,


MXR KFK 10b EQ, Digitech Grunge Distortion, Digitech Death Metal Pedal, Digitech Hot Rod Pedal, Digitech Synth Wah, BOSS MT2, FuzzyNuts 2, Mossbox, Dunlop Crybaby from Hell, Line6 POD XT, D'Addario 0.009-0.042's Nickel wound. EB 10-42's,

My guitars just pissed on your lawn and flipped yours the bird.

As someone who really honestly doesn't care, let me add the following to the 'my 1961 abc vs your brand new xyz' argument...

Tone comes from you fingers, from your approach to the instrument. pedals amps guitars and the like are all just things we use to augment that tone. Take your favorite guitarist and put him through someone else's rig and he still sounds like your favorite guitarist. Likewise if you pick up your favorite guitarists rig and play thru it, you sound like you and not that guitarist despite your best effort.

My recording rig:
brian moore 2.13
Marshall TSL 100 head
THD 2x12 cab
Fender HotRod Deville 2x12 combo
etc.

dlpriest: Tonewoods.. lol, don't get me started on how asinine the idea of tonewoods is.

This is 2007, soon to be 2008, relying on WOOD for tone and sustain is a fools game with todays technology.

Different wood = different tone/sustain.

As a rough rule, the stiffer a wood is, the brighter tone it will impart to the instrument, and the more it will sustain. A good example of a stiff wood with bright tones and a lot of sustain is maple.

Conversely, less stiff woods tend to sustain less and have a warmer tone. Mahogany is a good example of this kind of wood.

The reason stiffer woods have brighter tones is because they resonate less forcefully, and therefore impart minimal character to the tone of the instrument. This is why guitars made with these woods sound bright... because what you're hearing is mostly string vibrations with very little body resonation.

On the other hand, guitars made with less stiff woods resonate more, hence, when you play it, you hear a greater percentage of body resonance in the "mix," if you will.

A Les Paul gets its warmth from its mahogany body, and its sustain from its maple top.

Good technology can = good tone, but good technology + a good guitar will always = better tone.

Besides, it's nice to have a guitar that you can plug into any rig, from your friend's amp to a house guitarist's amp on a sit-in night, and sound damn good. Technology is not always an option for tone.

JustFarkingGreat: Are we having a Les Paul CJ?

'94 Custom, wine red burst with gold hardware. It is a work of art.

MXR KFK 10b EQ, Digitech Grunge Distortion, Digitech Death Metal Pedal, Digitech Hot Rod Pedal, Digitech Synth Wah, BOSS MT2, FuzzyNuts 2, Mossbox, Dunlop Crybaby from Hell, Line6 POD XT, D'Addario 0.009-0.042's Nickel wound. EB 10-42's,


Jeezus, dlpriest, do you have a heart condition? Ease up on the digitalis...

...and remember, "modeling" is for skinny, vacant girls.

what about a chord that makes people crap their pants?

nobodyUwannaknow:

what about a chord that makes people crap their pants?


You seek the Holy Grrrrrrail?

DrBenway

The three Digitech pedals came in a deal from axemusic, too good to pass up.
(Death, Grunge, Hotrod) the synth wah is amazingly fun to play with.

The two guitars listed there are to blend two very different sounds, at this time I can't afford a Bill Lawrence L500XL for bridge but anyways, it's combining the sound of Jeff Hanneman and Dimebag.

The EMG setup is Hanneman, the SH-13/10 is somewhat Dime.

Play one as rhythym, then put the other overtop as lead.

ZoSo_the_Crowe

I'm well aware of what tonewood will do for YOU. With my EMG's it doesn't matter, they'll sound good no matter where I go and no matter what they're bolted to. The SH-13/10 axe is fine by itself even without the jfet.

dlpriest:

...the synth wah is amazingly fun to play with.


I'm pretty sure I've seen one of those in action (guitarist in Melt Banana uses one, I think) and I was blown away, just insane sounds coming out of the thing. I've had an ancient Arp synth for years and love running a guitar through it (it has a 1/4" external input), but having that capability in conjunction with an expression pedal would be outrageous fun.

Thanks for reminding me about that one -- will have to do some sniffing around on ebay, I'm thinking.

I'm a dumbass. Best I can tell, Agata was doing most of that with a whammy pedal... hard to believe, though I know the signal's already been warped to hell and back before it gets there. Eh, for the most part, I don't know crap about too many digital effects, so please pardon my ignorance. 4MS pedals have gotten more expensive, but I've got a better handle on using analog gear; for wacky sounds, I'd probably do well to stick to that type stuff. Still want to read up more on the synth pedal, though.

Why are people complaining about this? When you're playing a show, and it's going really well then suddenly you need to stop for a couple of minutes while you retune your guitar, it sucks donkey balls.

If it could do it itself, that'd be awesome.

We pianists have to pay a professional technician about $100 to get it done -- very few learn to DIY since there are a couple hundred strings and they can be tricky. My practice instrument hasn't seen one of the gents in a while, but I keep it in A415 (E flat tuning, I think you guitar folks call it) so it holds well.

dlpriest: The EMG setup is Hanneman, the SH-13/10 is somewhat Dime.

Play one as rhythym, then put the other overtop as lead.

ZoSo_the_Crowe

I'm well aware of what tonewood will do for YOU. With my EMG's it doesn't matter, they'll sound good no matter where I go and no matter what they're bolted to. The SH-13/10 axe is fine by itself even without the jfet.

A: Good pickups sound even better in a good guitar.

B: I see you are a fan of Dimebag. Just remember, the mids ARE the tone.

Deans are shiat.

So I did a test and recorded myself hitting a note with my strat bridge all the way against the body, and then floating. I got a good second or two longer sustain with the floating bridge. screw all your tone woods. Just float the bridge and it doesn't matter.

Also, my plywood body ibanez sounds fine, could maybe use better pickups, but im in no rush to upgrade.

Obscured by Clouds

Aye plywood IS fine, that's why I laugh at tonewood assholes.

Then again I'm an active pickup whore, so I don't worry about wood for my tone.

I'll get off your lawn when I'm finished stealing your goddamn gas.

wndrby: Deans are shiat.


That's right!


Brownsvilles and Carlo Robellis rule!!!

oh how i'm late to the game, but just logged on. my current rig is this, and i dare you to laugh:

1967 Rickenbacker 330 (vintage NOT re-release)
1968 Vox AC30 w/ the top boost unit (again, vintage)
Big Muff Pi (Sovtek version)
Turbo Rat
Honey Bee Overdrive
Small Stone Phaser
Mutronics Mutator
Custom DD-6

/i build and bring guitars back from the dead with my friend
// also make custom amp's (all tube, nothing solid state
/// currently we have an awesome pre-amp that we've just struck a manufacturing deal with
//// two man buisness
//// i always smell of solder
\\\\ if you have something you think is dead, email me (in profile) and we'll have a chat

Actually... I've had some $100 guitars and others under $300 that after being set up right sounded just as good as any $2000 ax.

But it sure would be nice to hit a button for instant alternate tunings right on stage.