Neo-nazis have a mole in the Jewish Student Union.

Or do the Jewish Students have a mole in the Neo-Nazis!?!?

WE'RE THROUGH THE LOOKING GLASS!!!

I think it's adding up perfectly

Or do the Jewish Students have a mole in the Neo-Nazis!?!?

Megaphone is a download. It could not be placed on the computer.

couldn't it just have been a megaphone wingnut forwarding the screen shot?

I'm NOT a Ron Paul hater and I thought the accusations were fishy to begin with, but I would like a better source on this than a site who links to prison planet.

I've seen this movie.... "True Believer" I think??

So, the guy couldn't have the application installed to catch what the Israeli Government is sending out, to beat them at their own game?

Oh wait, he's a neo-nazi. he can't be that smart.

INFOWARS ALERT - Can be lumped in with the DailyKos, Hotair, Huffingtonpot, Michelle Malkin, etc.

Read their crap with a grain of salt...or actually a mountain of salt

If you didn't see this coming then you better obey all crosswalks.

Hint: if you see blinding lights and a horn, duck and roll.

/i would also have thought it was possible for some conspiracy fruitbat to install megaphone in order to gather information about its effect

//though i would still think it was more likely to be a genuine megaphone wingnut forwarding the fruits of their 'investigation'

This really isn't a smoking gun. There's a lot not being said here.

homerdrew415: INFOWARS ALERT - Can be lumped in with the DailyKos, Hotair, Huffingtonpot, Michelle Malkin, etc.

Read their crap with a grain of salt...or actually a mountain of salt

The initial allegation came from LGF to begin with. The stupid from both sides cancels itself out.

I read Jihad Watch because they regurly succeed in giving me a few chuckles. That doesn't mean I'm a rightwing idiot.

Know thy enemy.

/Just saying

impossible.

This website also goes on to say that Ron Paul has NO skeletons in his closet and has a flawless personal record.

Ridiculous. EVERYONE has skeletons in their closet. Most are figurative, mine are literal.

Vile tactics have always been used against anti-war candidates.

Old Saying: a lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes .

After his fund raising successes, the pro-war types started to take him seriously. The lies and smears have started. Racist, white supremacist, anti-semite, etc. etc.

Ron is the most decent human being in the race.

Compare him to the Clintons. ugh.

Compare him to Edwards. the ambulance chaser to the ob/gyn

Ghouliani anyone?

Obama. A ? versus someone with a solid plan for American.

Infowars sucks. LGF sucks. Neo-Nazis suck. Jewish people are A-Okay in my book.

/RP supporter

O'rly?


..And there's the "Lobby" issue. Paul did denounce, more than once, the pro-Israel lobby on Capitol Hill. He said that members of Congress have been "intimidated by the influence of AIPAC" (the American Israel Public Affairs Committee). He also said that "the assumption is that AIPAC is in control of things, and they control the votes, and they get everybody to vote against anything that would diminish the [Iraq] war".

Everyone disregard this solid evidence, as it is from InfoWars.

The original blog post was on Little Green Footballs, and everyone knows that even though they had no evidence but the suspect blog post in question, they are a credible news source. LGF has convinced me that Ron Paul, who suggested Walter Williams as a possible VP, is racist. I am not going to change my mind now.

Some random racisit blogger - not the Neo-Nazi leader who claims to meet regularly with Ron Paul - has the megaphone installed on his computer.

So this continues a growing trend of Fark headlines not matching the story.

Also, having the megaphone installed does not mean the random racist blogger is in the World Union of Jewish Students.

For the record, I kinda doubt the Neo-Nazi leader guy regularly meets with Ron Paul.

I've heard of Jews for Jesus, but Jews for Nazis?

Charming_Man: Everyone disregard this solid evidence

You're a farking retard if you think this is solid evidence of anything.

Savage Belief: I've heard of Jews for Jesus, but Jews for Nazis?

Do you remember the story from a few months ago where a Jewish college student was getting harassed. People allegedly kept sending her threats and drawing swastikas on her door. The school put in a video camera, and it turned out that she was doing it herself.

People of all backgrounds and persuasions are farked up in the head.

GoodasGold: Obama. A ? versus someone with a solid plan for American.

Meh. Not to get into a big argument, but Paul's one of the candidates with the least fleshed out policy proposals, IMO.

"Oh, you know, we'd like to abolish the IRS as a reach goal, but for now we're just going to cut spending." It'd be nice if he told us what spending he was going to cut.

"End the war on drugs." How are you going to do that?

"Do away with devaluing the currency." How are you going to fix that?

Etc, etc. Paul's a lot of hot air.

So I went and looked up "megaphone." Turns out it's a real program. It was developed to alert people to news stories of some sort they would be interested in. Currently, the only users of megaphone are people who like to be alerted about media stories with an "anti-israel" slant. It hasn't been opened up to other organizations yet.

The guy still might be a nazi; but probably not. Nazis might like to read articles against israel and post positive comments on them instead of negative. And there isn't any restriction on who can download megaphone.

This is pretty interesting, I was looking up America First, the anti-war group prior to WWII. They had 800,000 members whose goal was to have F. Roosevelt "enfore the 1939 Neutrality Act and forcing President Franklin D. Roosevelt to keep his pledge to keep America out of the war." Before the attack on Pearl Harbor most Americans were in favor of neutrality (keeping their sons alive)

Under external links: The American Jewish Committees' extensive archive on the America First Committee. They have copies of documents, etc

On the American Jewish Committees' web page page they list America First as an "Extremist Group"

Why is being anti-war, extremist? You would think being pro-war would be extremist.

tallguywithglasseson: Charming_Man: Everyone disregard this solid evidence

You're a farking retard if you think this is solid evidence of anything.

It is solid evidence that the person who posted the offending screenshot used Megaphone, which is subsidized by the Israeli gov't. That is not proof of anything, as the guy could be keeping tabs on the WUoJS. However, it throws a huge amount of doubt into the already suspect story that Paul meets with racists.

Charming_Man: It is solid evidence that the person who posted the offending screenshot used Megaphone, which is subsidized by the Israeli gov't. That is not proof of anything, as the guy could be keeping tabs on the WUoJS. However, it throws a huge amount of doubt into the already suspect story that Paul meets with racists.

Sorry, that was a little strongly worded -
You're a farking retard if you think this is evidence of anything other than someone took a screenshot of that Neo-Nazi's website while having the megaphone icon running in the system tray.

It has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on the credibility of the original claim by the Neo-Nazi leader. Thought that claim is not very credible in the first place, this story is just meaningless, and the fact that it's on InfoWars is merely unsurprising.

Please also note that this author's reporting has also led him to believe that there is a potential plot to assassinate Ron Paul (new window).

Oh, you know, we'd like to abolish the IRS as a reach goal, but for now we're just going to cut spending." It'd be nice if he told us what spending he was going to cut.

"End the war on drugs." How are you going to do that?

"Do away with devaluing the currency." How are you going to fix that?


He is for abolishing federal agencies.

I would rather my state government or even my county government make decisions for me. The closer government is to a person, the more likely it is to be representational.

Look at the new spending bill with all the "earmarks". Thats pretty disfunctional.

tallguywithglasseson

Dont you have anything better to do than troll RP threads?

/probably not

"Do away with devaluing the currency." How are you going to fix that?

One last thing about that. He has proposed legalizing alternative currencies. I think this is a great idea.

GoodasGold: He is for abolishing federal agencies.

Er, this is a non sequitur. I didn't imply he was going to abolish state agencies.

GoodasGold: One last thing about that. He has proposed legalizing alternative currencies. I think this is a great idea.

In nearly every Ron Paul thread, I've asked how Paul intends to make up for the $1.2bn in lost tax revenue from abolishing individual income taxes while maintaining Social Security and Medicaid and paying off the national debt.

I've gotten answers ranging from "he'll save at least this much by abolishing foreign military bases" to "he's just going to cut spending." Neither of these are satisfactory (the entire DOD budget is half that figure, and the entire discretionary budget is about equal to that figure, so unless "cutting spending" means eliminating all spending, this, too, is a poor answer).

This is why I say Paul is all talk and no solid plans--because he won't detail exactly what federal programs he'll cut to make up for this budget shortfall; he just promises to balance the budget while maintaining SS and Medicaid and eliminating income taxes.

It's not realistic, but math probably isn't his strong suit.

tical: Dont you have anything better to do than troll RP threads?

Have you got anything better to do than ask inane questions?

Probably not.

Tell me what I said that was trolling.
This article is farking stupid, and doesn't even match the headline.

"Little Green Footballs won the "Best Israel Advocacy Blog" award from the Jerusalem Post in 2005."

A good all-American web site. I wonder who bankrolls it?

GoodasGold: "Do away with devaluing the currency." How are you going to fix that?

One last thing about that. He has proposed legalizing alternative currencies. I think this is a great idea.

So would this mean I could go to my bank and switch my savings into Euros or something?

KrispyKringle I understand what you are saying. I would like to see specifics as well. He always talks of a transition period, so the changes would not be made over night.

So would this mean I could go to my bank and switch my savings into Euros or something?

You could choose a commodity based currency as I understand it.

I wonder where our resident Fark expert on this subject might be.
I have been meaning to ask him if he is part of the Megaphone network...

My opinion on RP changes everyday but you got to love how he makes the other canidates looke like blabering idiots during the debates.

"This is insane, check the constitution." -RP

KrispyKringle: GoodasGold: One last thing about that. He has proposed legalizing alternative currencies. I think this is a great idea.

In nearly every Ron Paul thread, I've asked how Paul intends to make up for the $1.2bn in lost tax revenue from abolishing individual income taxes while maintaining Social Security and Medicaid and paying off the national debt.

I've gotten answers ranging from "he'll save at least this much by abolishing foreign military bases" to "he's just going to cut spending." Neither of these are satisfactory (the entire DOD budget is half that figure, and the entire discretionary budget is about equal to that figure, so unless "cutting spending" means eliminating all spending, this, too, is a poor answer).

This is why I say Paul is all talk and no solid plans--because he won't detail exactly what federal programs he'll cut to make up for this budget shortfall; he just promises to balance the budget while maintaining SS and Medicaid and eliminating income taxes.

It's not realistic, but math probably isn't his strong suit.

Here is what I have found:

Abolish the Dept of: Agriculture, Commerce, Education, Energy, Homeland Security, HUD, and the War on Terrror. Cut the Dept. of Defense by 75% and double VA. This leaves a savings of 703.5b out of a 1.075t budget. I know the numbers are off by a great deal, but this shows how we CAN cut the debt, strengthen Vets benefits and Social Security (the only candidate that plans to without raising taxes is Paul), and eliminate the income tax and still function.

GoodasGold: I understand what you are saying. I would like to see specifics as well. He always talks of a transition period, so the changes would not be made over night.

Yeah, he has. I'm just saying he's not very specific. I think the more radical your proposals are, the more specificities you should provide.

For what it's worth, I think Paul is well-intentioned. But the more I learn about him, the less I like him. ;)

You could choose a commodity based currency as I understand it.

I was under the impression he wanted privately issued gold- or silver-backed currency to be "legal tender" alongside the dollar. Of course, you would assume this would require a rather large regulatory apparatus (or else you just leave it up to each seller in any transaction to identify whether a given banknote is "real," whether it's counterfeit, whether the bank is reliable and really has the gold/silver reserves they say they do, etc).

Sometimes he's advocated the USD being gold-backed again, though, which is a little contradictory to the previous (or maybe I'm misreading him). This is partly why I think he's full of outlandish proposals but wouldn't know what to do if he could actually implement them, but I guess it's important to remember that as President he couldn't implement these (they'd take acts of Congress, if I'm not mistaken), so perhaps he knows that and that's why he leaves out specifics.

See here.

Busted!

GoodasGold:

Vile tactics have always been used against anti-war candidates.

Old Saying: a lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes .

After his fund raising successes, the pro-war types started to take him seriously. The lies and smears have started. Racist, white supremacist, anti-semite, etc. etc.

Ron is the most decent human being in the race.

Compare him to the Clintons. ugh.

Compare him to Edwards. the ambulance chaser to the ob/gyn

Ghouliani anyone?

Obama. A ? versus someone with a solid plan for American.

Hype much?


I would rather my state government or even my county government make decisions for me. The closer government is to a person, the more likely it is to be representational.

On the other hand, decisions made at the federal level can protect citizens from more egregious policies initiated by a much more narrowly defined gene pool or cross-section at the local level. The skepticism so heavily weighted against government at the federal level while lauding more local forms is in many cases ill-placed.

Charming_Man: Abolish the Dept of: Agriculture, Commerce, Education, Energy, Homeland Security, HUD, and the War on Terrror. Cut the Dept. of Defense by 75% and double VA. This leaves a savings of 703.5b out of a 1.075t budget. I know the numbers are off by a great deal, but this shows how we CAN cut the debt, strengthen Vets benefits and Social Security (the only candidate that plans to without raising taxes is Paul), and eliminate the income tax and still function.

Agriculture: 20.2
Commerce: 6.6
Education: 56.0
Energy: 24.3
Homeland Security: 34.3
HUD: 35.2
WOT (presumably this means the ongoing occupations?): 150 in 2008, if I remember right (other numbers are from here)
DOD: 481.4
VA: 39.4

I get $648.25bn, but I might've made a mistake. ;)

I think this shows that you can cut the spending; I think it also shows that even with this estimate (which, IIRC, is far more aggressive than what Paul has advocated publicly--most of the savings come from cutting the DOD budget, which I haven't seen Paul say he'd touch), we're still only about halfway there.

DrBenway: n the other hand, decisions made at the federal level can protect citizens from more egregious policies initiated by a much more narrowly defined gene pool or cross-section at the local level. The skepticism so heavily weighted against government at the federal level while lauding more local forms is in many cases ill-placed.

I completely agree. If Paul had his way, it'd be legal to smoke pot in Oregon and illegal to be gay in Texas. It's a trade off, but my feeling is that the latter is more bad than the former is good.

KrispyKringle: Charming_Man: Abolish the Dept of: Agriculture, Commerce, Education, Energy, Homeland Security, HUD, and the War on Terrror. Cut the Dept. of Defense by 75% and double VA. This leaves a savings of 703.5b out of a 1.075t budget. I know the numbers are off by a great deal, but this shows how we CAN cut the debt, strengthen Vets benefits and Social Security (the only candidate that plans to without raising taxes is Paul), and eliminate the income tax and still function.

Agriculture: 20.2
Commerce: 6.6
Education: 56.0
Energy: 24.3
Homeland Security: 34.3
HUD: 35.2
WOT (presumably this means the ongoing occupations?): 150 in 2008, if I remember right (other numbers are from here)
DOD: 481.4
VA: 39.4

I get $648.25bn, but I might've made a mistake. ;)

I think this shows that you can cut the spending; I think it also shows that even with this estimate (which, IIRC, is far more aggressive than what Paul has advocated publicly--most of the savings come from cutting the DOD budget, which I haven't seen Paul say he'd touch), we're still only about halfway there.

Oops, I took into account Transportation but forgot to mention it. I know he wants to reduce it a lot, but maybe not entirely. I think I covered my tracks reasonably well though when I said the numbers were way off.

Paul has advocated reducing the DoD. This is through pulling our troops out of Korea, Japan, and Germany among other places.

We would still get federal revenue through tariffs, corporate taxes, and user fees. This is much more effective, IMO, and it is constitutional.

Megaphone
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more scary than you think