Ha ha very funny. Since we won the war, I suppose we will be leaving tomorrow. The repigs will be totally farked in '08. Count on it sport....

The surge worked? The writer and Smitty might want to find out what the surge was supposed to do before making that statement.

**Psst** there's some republicans in congress

there is no spoon. voters may notice that.

I think the submitter is trying to point out the stupidity of many voters by using himself as an example.

Oh Don Surber, why are you so wonderful?

SSP: Ha ha very funny. Since we won the war, I suppose we will be leaving tomorrow. The repigs will be totally farked in '08. Count on it sport....

If by farked you mean take back the Senate, House and keep 1600 Penna. Ave., then you're right.

There is no way on God's Green Earth that either Hillary or Obama can get elected President.

adiabat: If by farked you mean take back the Senate, House and keep 1600 Penna. Ave., then you're right.

Man, 4 more years of having to scramble to spin their achievements for them and 4 more years of soul crushingly depressing attempts at defending them for you.

I actually pity you.

adiabat: If by farked you mean take back the Senate, House and keep 1600 Penna. Ave., then you're right.

There is no way on God's Green Earth that either Hillary or Obama can get elected President.

You're hilarious. Do you do stand-up too?

/ C-, needs more detail about "worked"

At some point these tards are bound to realize that a minute majority with the President belonging to the minority means jack farking shiat.

Calling it a "Democratic Congress" is just plain stupid.

Anyone else notice they made Bush use his veto power? Did the GOP Congress do that?

Hey now submitter, the Democrats haven't exactly been lazy here. It takes considerable effort to look incompetent when you've got a mismanaged war, Republican corruption, most of the media and a snickering Texas President to work with. You give them far less credit than they deserve.

Democrats, nobody loses better.

I believe it was Dave Barry who once said of the Democrats that they are the type of people who will help you fix a flat tire and somehow end up setting fire to your car at the same time. Nuff said.

mikemoto: I believe it was Dave Barry who once said of the Democrats that they are the type of people who will help you fix a flat tire and somehow end up setting fire to your car at the same time. Nuff said.

Well, Dave Barry. I mean, how can you even begin to argue.

Nuff said indeed.

Did the Surge fix any actual underlying problems in Iraq?

No?

Then we'll just have to do it again, probably in some sort of annual event.

Oh, and when your victory consists of bribing militias with guns and money to temporarily not fight you, and turning a sprawling city into a series of sectarian neighborhoods divided by razor-wire topped concrete walls ... "victory" isn't really the word you're looking for.

Status??? --- Que

Quo ( time for nap, sheesh )

According to who? The media? The White House? They can justify trillions of dollars to kill people on behalf of multi-national corporations, but they can't find any money to put towards America's future.

GurneyHalleck: According to who?

Uh-this guy?

BravadoGT: GurneyHalleck: According to who?

Uh-this guy?


Well, the guy who's going to take the fall is certainly the most credible person to ask about the failure or success of his mission.

kmmontandon: BravadoGT: GurneyHalleck: According to who?

Uh-this guy?


Well, the guy who's going to take the fall is certainly the most credible person to ask about the failure or success of his mission.

He's the guy in charge. If you want to know how Fark is doing, you ask Drew. And it's not like Petraeus' testimony was made in a vacuum, and the absence of supporting, empirical data. For example:

-the number of total attacks weekly=down 50% since has December 2006
-Civilian deaths=dropped by more than 70 percent;
-high profile car bombings/suicide vest attacks= down from a high of 130 in March 2007 to about 50 last month;
-Monthly Improvised Explosive Device (IED)=about 50 in January to around 20 currently.
-number of arms caches found: in 2004=1,712. So far this year-6,200;
-Earlier this month, the nation's oil output exceeded pre-2003 production levels;
-This week, the Iraqis launched their first oil tanker in 27 years;
-9 of 18 provinces to be handed over to local Iraqi military and police control, albeit with an "operational overwatch" by coalition forces;
-large numbers of Sunnis are joining the Iraqi security forces and turning on al-Qaida. Meanwhile, al-Qaida's second-in-command, Ayman al-Zawahri, released a videotape aimed at those "traitors" among the Sunnis who are turning to the Americans, a clear sign that the terrorists are in trouble;

Observers as diverse as conservative foreign policy think tanks and The New York Times editorial board agree that the security turnaround is both stunning and real. Is the job over? Of course not. No one's saying that. But the troops are making real progress, and a stable Iraq is no longer seems an impossible goal.

But please! You and the rest of your hard-left "Surge Denier" buddies keep up this kind of rhetoric. Loud and often. Make sure people know how you feel about it and who your candidates are. \

That's all I want for Xmas!

BravadoGT: Observers as diverse as conservative foreign policy think tanks and The New York Times editorial board agree that the security turnaround is both stunning and real. Is the job over? Of course not. No one's saying that. But the troops are making real progress, and a stable Iraq is no longer seems an impossible goal.

The troops? Uh, well, yeah, of course the troops are doing an amazing job in a bad situation, but what about the state department? Where the fark is their progress?

My brother's a marine, and if everything was up to him and the other marines I'm sure the situation would be resolved by now. He and the guys that work with him are insanely talented and good at what they do. However, this isn't a military only operation. There are supposed to be diplomatic elements to this occupation/invasion/quagmire.

All of those diplomatic elements are being run by the Executive Branch of our government, and no matter how successful the troops have been with this surge it doesn't change the fact that the State Department is failing miserably at their job.

The worst part is that we were all told that this would be over in less than a year and pay for itself, and no one seems to remember that the people who said that were absolutely wrong. Why are people revising their standards so that a minor reduction in the daily violence is a major success? That's crap. People were fired for suggesting the situation that we're in now, and those in charge still don't seem to be facing the reality of the situation.

Stupid subby. Things are just as bad if not worse than ever. We will insist so till we get our candidate in office. Just wait and see, we will lose this war! We demand it!

/Edwards 08 FTW!

TheConvincingSavant: Democrats, nobody loses better.

If by losing you mean winning back control of Congress and currently being projected to beat any Republican nominee for President ... then you're absolutely correct!

Sorry about the earlier thread, where I mis-stated your quotes about being in the Core. Feel free to correct me - I wasn't actually there.

Good. I look forward to seeing the troops arrive home soon.

When there is a democratic congress and a democratic president, they will be able to do the things they want to do. like reduce the deficit, bring the troops home from iraq, etc.

amen.

adiabat: There is no way on God's Green Earth that either Hillary or Obama can get elected President.

Not even if one of them receives 270 electoral votes or more during a presidential election?

Yay! YAY! Things have improved from ABSOLUTE CATASTROPHE to a mere CLUSTERfark! Yay! The rate of increase of deaths has slowed! Yay! YAYAYAYAY!


/tards

SSP: Ha ha very funny. Since we won the war, I suppose we will be leaving tomorrow. The repigs will be totally farked in '08. Count on it sport....

And gas prices will go down! And we won't be pouring trillions into a failed war by an incompetent president and his retarded and holier-than-thou jerkwad followers!

Wow! I'm so convinced now!

Talk is cheap, and has few negative consequences.
(safe)

Doing something, not so much.

BravadoGT: Observers as diverse as conservative foreign policy think tanks and The New York Times editorial board agree that the security turnaround is both stunning and real. Is the job over? Of course not. No one's saying that. But the troops are making real progress, and a stable Iraq is no longer seems an impossible goal.

Let's not forget that there never would have been a surge if the "stay the course" crowd had their way. The prophets of the GOP were well behind Rummy and his "revolution in military affairs" that placed technology about troop levels. Had the Democratic Party not channeled the American public's anger and frustration and forced the White House to change its policies, we would have seen even more flag-draped coffins.

Guntram Shatterhand: SSP: Ha ha very funny. Since we won the war, I suppose we will be leaving tomorrow. The repigs will be totally farked in '08. Count on it sport....

And gas prices will go down! And we won't be pouring trillions into a failed war by an incompetent president and his retarded and holier-than-thou jerkwad followers!

Wow! I'm so convinced now!

I was going to say something sarcastic but you covered it beautifully.

Wasn't the Surge supposed to buy time for a political solution? You know, a political solution that never actually happened...

I'm glad to hear violence is down in Iraq, but as for the Surge working, well....

LocalCynic: BravadoGT: Observers as diverse as conservative foreign policy think tanks and The New York Times editorial board agree that the security turnaround is both stunning and real. Is the job over? Of course not. No one's saying that. But the troops are making real progress, and a stable Iraq is no longer seems an impossible goal.

Let's not forget that there never would have been a surge if the "stay the course" crowd had their way. The prophets of the GOP were well behind Rummy and his "revolution in military affairs" that placed technology about troop levels. Had the Democratic Party not channeled the American public's anger and frustration and forced the White House to change its policies, we would have seen even more flag-draped coffins.

You mean Bush would have started allowing the media to photograph flag-draped coffins again?

Now all we have to do is keep this level of troops in Iraq till the end of time at a cost of $$$$$$$$$$???? per year...

/That's what I call working!

Cool you mean we found the WMDs?

When a Neocon Pundit tries to tell you that the War in Iraq is now a success, ask them if doubling the National Debt and costing the lives of 3000+ Americans (and thousands more injured & maimed) in a war that has dragged out far longer than we were ever lead to believe counts as "success".

Let's say your wife asked you to go and buy a new car. A modest Toyota Corolla. And you ended up crashing your old car on the way to the dealership, hurt or killed somebody in the crash, got sued, and then somehow ended up paying double what that Toyota is worth.

Is that new car purchase as "sucess"?

You did, in the end get the new car. So you wife ought to be thrilled with the outcome. Right?

Mission Accomplished, right?

The surge worked? Wonderful. When do we bring out troops home?

Ace Frehley's Ghost: The surge worked? Wonderful. When do we bring out troops home?

This

So "winning" is occupying a country that doesn't want us there, for the long foreseeable future, while there is still violence and still suicide bombings and still sectarian violence and it costs us billions a month.

Ummm, yeah!?!?

And it only took 4 *months, just like those coonts told you.



*Sure, it's DOG months...but come on, you nancies.

Ah, 'ol Donny Surber does it again: basing an entire argument off of a patently-ridiculous assumption/lie.




Did you notice how he tries to make it sound throughout the article like the reason that people are upset with Congress is because they haven't supported Bush's war In Iraq enough?

The truth is that poll after poll after poll has shown the exact opposite to be true, but that's not really useful to Surber because his primary motivation is to undermine the Democrats any way he can, not to accurately inform his readers. He is a propagandist, and this latest screed just proves that further.

People are upset with the Democrats because they keep compromising with the Bush administration rather than "forcing their will on Congress" when their will with regard to the war is actually far, far more representative of the American people's than Surber's or the Republicans' are.

Corvus: Cool you mean we found the WMDs?

Yeah, bin Laden was sitting on them the whole time.

Bush said he was going after victory. demos came in cheering for withdrawal but instead have done just enough to stand in the way of Bush doing what needs to be done. Neither side gets to go after their goal full on and so the troops are stuck.

Thats the problem with cowards, you guys elected them and they backed down from the fight in congress WHILE TRYING TO BACK DOWN FROM TERRORISTS! Its almost poetic.

Tad_Waxpole: You did, in the end get the new car. So you wife ought to be thrilled with the outcome. Right?

But you forget we're supposed to treat W. like a retard in the special Olympics. We must lower the bar more and more until he we have redefined success so low that he must succeed. Then we are suppose to praise him and bash all the people who've been right for 5 years as being "wrong".

The finally found a way to set the bar low enough. They say "are things better now then when W. screwed it up". The finally found a measure so low that W. can actually beat it. Compare him to HIMSELF.


If you notice they have been doing this with the economy and other aspects too. X is better that it was 4 years ago. Wow, give the guy a gold star he made something better than he f'd it up in the first place.

And everyone has bought in to this. The news refuses to ask him tough questions because they don't want to look like they are being hard on a retard.


Like in his press conference today "We are fighting killers with freedom"? Really, Freedom, is that what we are shooting out of guns? is that what we a drowning prisoners in? Is that what we are bombing out of planes? Freedom?

They are killing people but we are passing out freedom. Yeah there are hundred thousand of innocent Iraqis who been given their freedom because of this war. But the "freedom" they have received is a freedom from there physical form. He insults our intelligence and he insults all the innocents who have been killed in this fraud which he calls war.

coma: Bush said he was going after victory.

I thought he was going after Osama? "Dead or Alive"?
You know, that whole 9/11 thing?

Prospero424: Ah, 'ol Donny Surber does it again: basing an entire argument off of a patently-ridiculous assumption/lie.



Omigod... I'd forgotten all about Beaker!

You still reading Fark, Beaker?

HowlingFrog: coma: Bush said he was going after victory.

I thought he was going after Osama? "Dead or Alive"?
You know, that whole 9/11 thing?

Osama was nuetralized. We've got bigger fish to fry. Nice red herring though.

coma: Bush said he was going after victory.

Define "victory" within the context of the Iraq conflict.

Kthanxbye

Corvus: But you forget we're supposed to treat W. like a retard in the special Olympics. We must lower the bar more and more until he we have redefined success so low that he must succeed. Then we are suppose to praise him and bash all the people who've been right for 5 years as being "wrong".

The finally found a way to set the bar low enough. They say "are things better now then when W. screwed it up". The finally found a measure so low that W. can actually beat it. Compare him to HIMSELF.

Indeed.

And nobody mentions the point of this war. Nobody mentions that 9/11 has been forgotten except as a Republican talking point to squash dissent with anything they don't want to talk about. And nobody seems to mention that we're supposed to keep buying Amurrican flags for the cars that now we'll have to give up because of the Iraq War. And all of this, according to the Republican pundits who couldn't take a dump without their little leader's permission, is going to be the Democrats' fault because...um.....because of HILLARY! Yeah, that's the ticket! Hillary! She'll be a good scapegoat!

This is why the Republicans are going to lose big for the next generation. Right here. They're so farking retarded that outside of being fat cats, they can't do anything farking right. Talk about a bunch of ugly, stupid, and ignorant Christians with tiny penises.

HowlingFrog: coma: Bush said he was going after victory.

I thought he was going after Osama? "Dead or Alive"?
You know, that whole 9/11 thing?

And that's why he had to WMD Yellowcake Saddam Freedom Mission Accomplished in Iraq.

/In all seriousness, Rove really is an evil genius. He's managed to center the debate on the fourth? Fifth? position to which the goalposts moved, and not the first.