I thought Republicans were opposed to that process ?

So about that "up or down vote" you guys were clamoring for...

Wait -- wasn't it just a few months ago that the Republitards were screaming bloody murder about how "the liberals" were trying to derail the constitutional process and invite terrorism into our lives by fillibustering?

And I'll bet you anything a few brave souls will tell us exactly why it was bad then but is perfectly a-okay now.

good thing they never passed legislation to remove fillibusters like they wanted. they'd be farked now.

and the funny thing is, you don't hear any democrats or indies screaming bloody murder about it. funny how that works. in a town seaped in bullshiat, the republicans are king.

its gonna be fun when one of their enemies is in control of the white house and all these new executive powers and precedents.

Mordant: I thought Republicans were opposed to that process ?

Not for legislation. Everybody on both sides of the aisle has done it forever. But the Dems were using it for judicial nominations, which was historically not done...

And the Democritards are too damn stupid and lame to raise an even louder storm of indignation about the obstructionist, stonewalling party of Nixon trying to subvert the democratic process.

They never learn.

Great Metal Jesus: And I'll bet you anything a few brave souls will tell us exactly why it was bad then but is perfectly a-okay now.

I always get a little chill waiting for the first retard to try and explain something like this away, I wonder whose turn it is this time...

Here, try this. (new window)

Problem solved.

BuckTurgidson: And the Democritards are too damn stupid and lame to raise an even louder storm of indignation about the obstructionist, stonewalling party of Nixon trying to subvert the democratic process.

They never learn.

That's because they are still the incompetent, nepotist party of Andrew Jackson...

/how far back in history can we go?

nashBridges: Besides the beginning of this thread? Or the blog in question?

i mean in mass media. it was all over the networks, with the republicans in congress pointing fingers, demanding up or down votes. but i'm yet to hear any stories on this except on blogs.

BravadoGT: /how far back in history can we go?




Draco the lawgiver supports the GOP Minority.

Vote Draco in 2008

bales: nashBridges: Besides the beginning of this thread? Or the blog in question?

i mean in mass media. it was all over the networks, with the republicans in congress pointing fingers, demanding up or down votes. but i'm yet to hear any stories on this except on blogs.

There is a big difference here. When the Dems were filibustering, in the previous Congress they were preventing legislation from being voted upon that would have passed a vote and then would have been signed into law by the president. That's not the case with this Congress: no one's keeping them from calling votes-they're just not doing it because they know they don't have enough votes to overcome a veto by Bush. The GOP didn't even carry out a filibuster. They just "threatened" to, allegedly. So, again, the GOP isn't "thwarting" the will of the people; we have a Democratic Congress and a Republican Congress, with checks and balances-this is how it's SUPPOSED to work. If the people really wanted to give this Congress carte blanche to pass legislation, they would have put John Kerry in the White House....

I meant "we have a Democratic Congress and a Republican president"...

nashBridges: bales: and the funny thing is, you don't hear any democrats or indies screaming bloody murder about it.

Besides the beginning of this thread? Or the blog in question?

Who is screaming bloody murder at the beginning of the thread?

BravadoGT: That's because they are still the incompetent, nepotist party of Andrew Jackson...

/how far back in history can we go?

Hey, the when the Demoncraps were doing it, the Rethuglicans were harking back to Democrat filibustering of Civil Rights and even John C. Calhoun defending slavery.

Unlike some here, I'm not a professional, watermuddying, noisemaking, partisan shill. (I was just foolin' with the funny party names above.)

I'm just saying the (R)'s at least had the work ethic and team spirit to raise and sustain a shaking, eyerolling, scenery-chewing, histrionic soap opera and take the opportunity to stain, however feebly, their political opponents.

I'm not going to write the screeds for them. If the (D) morans were to grow a brain, though, they'd at least give as good as they'd gotten.

I thought that only LIBRULS had filibusters.

Gregory F. Stuart: You mean Republicans Democrats are whiny little twat-headed hypocrites, and their supporters are douchebags who slurp up every piece of shiat that gets squeezed out of the GOP's Democratic propaganda orafice?

I'm shocked.

Hmmm... Seems to work both ways

floor9: Wait -- wasn't it just a few months ago that the Republitards were screaming bloody murder about how "the liberals" were trying to derail the constitutional process and invite terrorism into our lives by fillibustering?

Yes they were. That is a good memory. Please get on tv and repeat that.

Democrats and the media proclaimed themselves heroes for the fillibusters a few years ago. Now when republicans do it, they're evil. I guess liberals haven't figured out that it's for the good of the country their their half baked schemes never make it to the light of day.

Desterion: Democrats and the media proclaimed themselves heroes for the fillibusters a few years ago. Now when republicans do it, they're evil. I guess liberals haven't figured out that it's for the good of the country their their half baked schemes never make it to the light of day.

Another neocon that wants poor children to die.

Vote Republican in 2008: because Americans deserve it.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Thanks!

ReaverZ: Desterion: Democrats and the media proclaimed themselves heroes for the fillibusters a few years ago. Now when republicans do it, they're evil. I guess liberals haven't figured out that it's for the good of the country their their half baked schemes never make it to the light of day.

Another neocon that wants poor children to die.

Sorry, but dems are the ones that are keen on baby killing

Afternoon_Delight [TotalFark] Quote 2007-12-20 12:37:06 AM
The title of the 'article': Most. Obstructionist. Ever.


I just can't get past that title. Think about it. That's really pretty damned funny...


Wow, you really have nothing useful to contribute to this discussion do you?

Desterion: RSorry, but dems are the ones that are keen on baby killing

Wow, you are truly delusional.

Cyber_Junk: Wow, you really have nothing useful to contribute to this discussion do you?

He practically never does. Unless you consider Cox & Forkum cartoons and 'There's no hate like liberal hate' useful.

Senate comes home in 2008 with record low approval levels.

In the blue states, the Republican challengers will complain, "You were part of a do nothing congress that got nothing done and achieved none of your promises!" The democratic incumbant will say, "That's because there were a bunch of republicans fillibustering our votes. And if you were in the Senate, you would be filibustering along with them. So STFU."

So everyone realizes that the republican challenger is full of shiat. So even though people have a lot approval rating of congress, they realize that their senator is doing the best he can with what he's been given.

In the red states, you have democratic challengers accusing the republican incumbent of obstruction. To which, the republican incumbant says... what?

So, a do nothing Congress is a bad thing? That doesn't sound right.

Republicans are able to exert disproportunate influence by sticking together. Rarely do they think as individuals, but consistantly return to the well rehersed key phrases.

Desterion:RSorry, but dems are the ones that are keen on baby killing

This is an example. Factually inaccurate and emotionally charged, this is difficult to counter without sounding like a shrill asshat. It resonates well with the cowardly, and motivates them to turn out to vote.

This strategy exploits the fact that such a large portion of the populace fails to actually turn out to vote. It's pretty clever, because it doesn't really matter what a politician actually thinks since he won't be acting on his own beliefs. The presidential campaign is an opportunity to test the lesser among us for what will stir them up.

Screw minority rights! The majority in Congress should be able to pass any legislation they want to, and the President should not be able to veto anything!

/end sarcasm.

Seriously folks, these ground rules have always been there. The difference is that in the past the majority attempted better to work up a deal with the minority before putting legislation up to a vote. All these cloture votes are due to the polarization of the political parties and the rank incompetence of the Democratic leadership.

Of course, even if the the Republicans by an incredible miracle took over control of Congress next election, the polarization would still be there and now bad memories would exist, so nothing would still get done.

BuckTurgidson
And the Democritards are too damn stupid and lame to raise an even louder storm of indignation about the obstructionist, stonewalling party of Nixon trying to subvert the democratic process, just like the Democrats used to do.

FTFY

If I were president, all filibusters would also involve a trip to Dairy Queen® for a Peanut Buster® Parfait.

Everyone wins!

floor9: Wait -- wasn't it just a few months ago that the Republitards were screaming bloody murder about how "the liberals" were trying to derail the constitutional process and invite terrorism into our lives by fillibustering?

THIS

Seriously, does the entire right wing have serious long-term memory loss?

PC LOAD LETTER: Seriously, does the entire right wing have serious long-term memory loss?

They remember, they just don't bother trying to reflect reality in their talking points. To inconvinient.

PC LOAD LETTER: floor9: Wait -- wasn't it just a few months ago that the Republitards were screaming bloody murder about how "the liberals" were trying to derail the constitutional process and invite terrorism into our lives by fillibustering?

THIS

Seriously, does the entire right wing have serious long-term memory loss?

Seriously. You have no clue what you are talking about do you? Honestly if this is what passes for knowledge of civics in the US it is sad

jcooli09: PC LOAD LETTER: Seriously, does the entire right wing have serious long-term memory loss?

They remember, they just don't bother trying to reflect reality in their talking points. To inconvinient.

No I remember. You are the others on here just refuse to understand what the issue was but instead want to scream, "but but but the Republicans"

I guess they should be thankful they didn't impose that 'nuclear option' hm?

HOV - We can both agree the judges deserved an up-or-down vote, but there was no reason to challenge one of the oldest methods for the minority party to keep the majority in check.

As I said at the time, it would come back to bite them in the ass if they eliminated the filibuster. Looks like I was right.

"No I remember. You are the others on here just refuse to understand what the issue was but instead want to scream, "but but but the Republicans""

Meh. It was getting boring listening to Republicans scream "but but Liberals! But but Clinton!"

PC LOAD LETTER: Seriously, does the entire right wing have serious long-term memory loss?

That was different. Those were different votes and the liberals were trying to prevent the great republican congress from strengthening America. Now all patriotic Republicans need to filibuster the bills that the traitorous liberals are attempting to pass to protect our great nation from islamojihadists and alternative energy sources.

/please see BravadoGT's post for the official spin

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: Meh. It was getting boring listening to Republicans scream "but but Liberals! But but Clinton!"

13 months bro, then it's all 'B-b-but Bush' for the next 4 years (at least).

Oh and if they weren't constantly filibustering votes the right wing would have to drop the "do nothing democrats" label and might actually have to address policies...

Shaggy_C: I guess they should be thankful they didn't impose that 'nuclear option' hm?

HOV - We can both agree the judges deserved an up-or-down vote, but there was no reason to challenge one of the oldest methods for the minority party to keep the majority in check.

As I said at the time, it would come back to bite them in the ass if they eliminated the filibuster. Looks like I was right.

How are you right? The GOP is not filibustering appointments and they did not try to eliminate the filibuster, they tried to eliminate the filibuster for appointments. Wrongly might I add and they didn't.

equilibrium: PC LOAD LETTER: Seriously, does the entire right wing have serious long-term memory loss?

That was different. Those were different votes and the liberals were trying to prevent the great republican congress from strengthening America. Now all patriotic Republicans need to filibuster the bills that the traitorous liberals are attempting to pass to protect our great nation from islamojihadists and alternative energy sources.

/please see BravadoGT's post for the official spin

Here is the official spin.

Democrats filibuster GOP majority = Stopping evil right wing agenda from being shoved down the throat of Americans

Republicans filibuster Democrat majority = Evil GOP stopping benevolent democrat agenda from passing

Hang On Voltaire: No I remember. You are the others on here just refuse to understand what the issue was but instead want to scream, "but but but the Republicans"

I understand the issue, and I'm not screaming anything.

I don't have a problem with the republican use of filibuster. I would prefer that they use it in order to further the general good rather than their own quest for power. I'm complaining about the republican policy of disregarding reality in a general way.

Well this thread shows that the democrat supporters never understood the issue when it was brought up by the republican senate.

I guess it's too nuanced for political hacks.

Nobody was ever against all filibusters, they were against the filibuster used for judicial nominees who would have easily been confirmed if ever given a vote.

I still think they rules be changed so that a filibuster must be done like they used to rather than just via votes.

Hang On Voltaire: How are you right? The GOP is not filibustering appointments and they did not try to eliminate the filibuster, they tried to eliminate the filibuster for appointments. Wrongly might I add and they didn't.

Nevertheless, setting the precedent of modifying Senate rules for partisan political purposes could have really bitten them in the ass once their dream of a perpetual majority was lost. I'm glad they didn't go there as well.

Our government wasn't intended to operate as it currently does. We've lost compromise and the ability to work together for the good of the country to political fundamentalism and it it appears that the swings of the pendulum are just going to get wider until the entire system breaks down.

Shaggy_C: Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: Meh. It was getting boring listening to Republicans scream "but but Liberals! But but Clinton!"

13 months bro, then it's all 'B-b-but Bush' for the next 4 years (at least).

I have a hard time understanding your political relativism. I guess you think it's insightful.

The GOP is monolithic, and hence prone to these protracted bouts of harping on the past. They will always sing but-but-Clinton, and they still tout their golden god Reagen.

Democrats don't do that shiat cause they're a disparate group of largely competing interests, and always have been.

You see a little, but-but-the previous congress. . .but largely democrats have been hard on their own leadership, and rightly so. They're spineless, and when Bush is gone, you're not going to see much Bush bashing. There are more important things to do.

I know you don't believe that, mainly because it seems to be something built into a lot of your post's logic here on fark.

Honestly tho, most of your points still hold up without resorting to the tired argument of "they're all the same".

Hang On Voltaire: Here is the official spin.

Democrats filibuster GOP majority = Stopping evil right wing agenda from being shoved down the throat of Americans

Republicans filibuster Democrat majority = Evil GOP stopping benevolent democrat agenda from passing

Exactly. Same spin except through the looking glass.

Right: No, you suck.
Left: No, you suck.
Right: No, you suck.
Left: No, you suck.
*repeat until recess is over*

Hang On Voltaire: Republicans filibuster Democrat majority = Evil GOP stopping benevolent democrat agenda supported by a majority of the American people from passing

FTFY

equilibrium: Hang On Voltaire: Here is the official spin.

Democrats filibuster GOP majority = Stopping evil right wing agenda from being shoved down the throat of Americans

Republicans filibuster Democrat majority = Evil GOP stopping benevolent democrat agenda from passing

Exactly. Same spin except through the looking glass.

Right: No, you suck.
Left: No, you suck.
Right: No, you suck.
Left: No, you suck.
*repeat until recess is over*

Check it out. Here's more of it. Lame.