Do they *really* need that much money keep telling us:

1) how wrong we are about Ron Paul and
b) how wrong we are about everything else?

"conservatives" sure get upset when others have more money than they do, which shouldn't even be possible considering their work ethic and economic wisdom.

DarthBrooks: Do they *really* need that much money keep telling us:

1) how wrong we are about Ron Paul and
b) how wrong we are about everything else?

What?

tim2028: What?

ditto

inconsequential

and actually quite sad that people are donating hundreds of dollars during the Christmas season to a vanity campaign.

and actually quite sad that people are donating hundreds of dollars during the Christmas season to a vanity campaign.


even sadder is giving it all to Wal-Mart.

/The American public is so deep rooted in the status quo it really makes me sick
//time for turd sandwich vs. giant douche round 2

QuesoPantera: even sadder is giving it all to Wal-Mart.

sadder than that is someone other than me giving a shiat what i do with my money

I can either give money to Ron Paul, or I can buy enough coke to place hoodoo protection lines around my house to keep the CIA agents at bay. Well that, or what I fondly refer to as "Saturday night".

FriarTuck: vanity campaign.

That term, it does not mean what you think it means. Paul's campaign is probably further from a "vanity campaign" than any one else running. He's the only who's presenting a substantivly different platform- which is the exact opposite of a vanity campaign.

And, just for reference.



Already at $3,670,141.

Are people really getting behind Ron Paul because they agree with his ideas, or are they getting behing Ron Paul because he's "different?"

He's been a U.S. Congressman for 10 terms. How different can he be?

Sussman: He's been a U.S. Congressman for 10 terms. How different can he be?

All those 434-1 votes says he's pretty different.

Sussman: Are people really getting behind Ron Paul because they agree with his ideas, or are they getting behing Ron Paul because he's "different?"

I honestly can't understand why Paul is so popular. His platforms seem screwy and illogical. But I just get called a sheep whenever I say that I think voting for him would be a negative thing for our country. It's so weird, it almost reminds me of the 9/11 Truthers.

I donated $100 because he is the only candidate willing to pull out of this horrible mistake of a war.

wyltoknow: But I just get called a sheep whenever I say that I think voting for him would be a negative thing for our country.

I'm sure there are some idiots who respond that way, but Paul supporters are still much more likely to want to discuss actual issues than supporters of just about any one else.

This guy's raised a lot of money. He can now afford:

-10 Ron Paul Awareness Blimps
-30 golf carts with Ron Paul's likeness sculpted on the front, outfitted with snow tires for New Hampshire terrain
-50 orangatuans trained to scream "Ron Paul 2008", which will be tied to weather balloons and airdropped over Des Moines
-1000 promotional copies of Guitar Hero III featuring Ron Paul as a playable character
-A lifetime supply of Kraft Easy Mac(tm) for each campaign volunteer
-A Krang-like robotic body that Ron Paul will inhabit during debates and use to blast plasma missiles at his opponents

Watch out, Duncan Hunter.

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BrokenDrew: I donated $100 because he is the only candidate willing to pull out of this horrible mistake of a war.



Yeah, real close.

timmy_the_tooth: Yeah, real close.

Obama's still committed to keeping the provocative US military presence in the region. That leaves pretty much Paul and Kucinich. Of the two, Paul has by far gained the most traction, making him the logical anti-war, non-interventionist choice.

Churchill2004: Obama's still committed to keeping the provocative US military presence in the region

Huh, that's not what it says here(p)

BrokenDrew: I donated $100 because he is the only Republican candidate willing to pull out of this horrible mistake of a war.

Fixed that for ya.


Sussman: He's been a U.S. Congressman for 10 terms. How different can he be?

Look at his voting record. As Churchill2004 pointed out, he has been the lone dissenter for a good number of bills passed in the House. For a lot of them, he feels that they do not meet the requirements of the 10th Amendment.


wyltoknow: I honestly can't understand why Paul is so popular. His platforms seem screwy and illogical. But I just get called a sheep whenever I say that I think voting for him would be a negative thing for our country. It's so weird, it almost reminds me of the 9/11 Truthers.

There are a lot of Goldwater Republicans and (to a lesser extent) Rockefeller Republicans out there looking for a home, and Ron Paul is the closest thing on the campaign trail to it. That is where a good deal of his support comes from.

However, his die-hard supporters tend to be small government folks mixed with isolationists/non-interventionists. To them, he is their messiah. The problem is, Ron Paul is more of a Confederate than he is a Libertarian. A lot of law will simply be pushed down to the state level, which his appointees to the SCOTUS will approve of. Outlawing abortion in Mississippi because it is the moral thing to do? Approved. Outlawing most property rights in Washington state in the name of the environment? Approved.

I don't think that a lot of his die hard supporters have really thought about that. And that's where the Truther aspect comes in.

timmy_the_tooth: Huh, that's not what it says here(p)

I see no commitment there to end the US military presence in the Middle East. Care to point it out? I do see a commitment for the US to force a UN-monitored "Constitutional convention" on Iraq, which we wouldn't "allow" to be adjourned until it reached a solution we find suitable. Forgive my skepticism that would lead to the US becoming disengaged from Iraq, much less the region.

Just passed $4,000,000.

Churchill2004: Just passed $4,000,000.

That must have hurt.

Churchill2004: I see no commitment there to end the US military presence in the Middle East.

Oh, you meant "there are no other candidates with an unrealistic isolationist platform."

If that's part of his platform then you can mark that down as reason #5 I will never support the Ralph Nader of the right.

timmy_the_tooth: Oh, you meant "there are no other candidates with an unrealistic isolationist platform."

Yeah, because it's not like a long history of American intervention in the Middle East is the root of all our current problems there, or anything...

So, it's "unrealistic isolationism" to not have our military deployed in 130+ countries, unlike any other nation on the face of the Earth?

/"isolationism" /= non-interventionism

Just donated to the Ron Paul campaign.

Call him a nutcase, call him fringe, call him whatever you want.

What you cannot deny is that he is for following the constitution. Has the best track record of ANY of the candidates. You may not like everything he has to say, but he sticks to his beliefs. No waffles in his voting record.

We have gotten bigger and bigger government and we have very little to show for it except a large debt. How is that an improvement for the people of the USA? The days of being the world police are over. We cannot afford to continue doing it and we cannot spread the democratic republic type of government at the muzzle of a gun. We have a piss poor track record in foreign intervention and I don't see that record changing any time soon.

I have yet to hear a convincing argument as to how ANY of the other candidates are better than Ron Paul.

Dinjiin: Look at his voting record. As Churchill2004 pointed out, he has been the lone dissenter for a good number of bills passed in the House. For a lot of them, he feels that they do not meet the requirements of the 10th Amendment.

Well, I like states rights, as well as conviction in one's beliefs. I also like pie, but I know I can't eat it three meals a day.

Just remember, Ron Paul is the only candidate for freedom. All of the other candidates have come out against freedom.

It's funny that a guy who follows the constitution and has consistent values gets labeled as a loon. Really shows how far political discourse has come in our country. The most pathetic thing I see on these boards is when I see "he can't win", "paulites are crazy", etc. Thanks for lowering the level of discourse even farther than it currently is.

/didn't donate to Paul
//probably won't vote for him
///exciting to see an old guy with little name recognition get so many people invigorated about politics, regardless

You can put an Armani chiffon dress and a diamond studded tiara on
a sow, but it's still a pig.

I love how the Ronulans keep throwing good money after bad, but I
despise that while he's got a snow-balls chance in hell, all those
lost conservative votes might have possibly made a difference.

Echoic: It's funny that a guy who follows the constitution and has consistent values gets labeled as a loon. Really shows how far political discourse has come in our country. The most pathetic thing I see on these boards is when I see "he can't win", "paulites are crazy", etc. Thanks for lowering the level of discourse even farther than it currently is.

QFT. The same people who say Dr. Paul Can't win are the same people that would have been saying 200+ years ago, "A country of the people, by the people, for the people will never work."

Crosshair: A country of the people, by the people, for the people will never work

That phrase was invented by Lincoln, and wasn't the goal of the American Revolution. The idea was liberty under a Constitutional republic, not majority-rule democracy.

Congrats guys; hopefully you can turn that money into votes.

Every time one of these threads gets greenlit, I get the urge to play Bioshock. Why is that?

This year's Nader.

Shaggy_C: Congrats guys; hopefully you can turn that money into votes.

You clearly don't understand the doctrine of Ronsubstantiation.

Dr. Ron Paul, Dr. Ron Paul, come December 16th, he'll teabag them all!

Daily total so far is $4,453,042, according to this handy-dandy Firefox plug-in I've been using. I can't wait for the primaries to begin. There still doesn't appear to be a front-runner in the GOpharkabee's fifteen minutes don't count.

2 million? It's 4.5 right now by my count... aiming for at least 5 million

Son of God: It's a highly interpretable document (purposely written that way

There's certainly some room for interpretation. What we have now is not "interpretation"- it's ignoring the document and coming up with legalese-sounding rationalizations.

Son of God: Echoic: It's funny that a guy who follows the constitution and has consistent values gets labeled as a loon.

His interpretation of the Constitution. It's a highly interpretable document (purposely written that way), and I tend to trust the interpretation of people who have studied Constitutional Law, not Obstetrics and Gynecology.

Is that a reference to Obama? Then why does he vote for unconstitutional bills like the revamped 2005 Patriot Act? There is a difference between what he says he is and what he does.

Churchill2004: That phrase was invented by Lincoln, and wasn't the goal of the American Revolution. The idea was liberty under a Constitutional republic, not majority-rule democracy.

I am aware of that, I just used that phrase to get the idea across.

Son of God. It is one thing to have an interpretation of the constitution. It is another to bend and distort the meaning to fit ones personal goals. The perversion of the Commerce Clause is but one example.

The word is "passed", subby. "Past" is an adjective, adverb, noun, or preposition but never a verb.

I finally figured out why Conservatives are all about Ron Paul: underdogism.

Most conservatives can only synch up their pathetic mindset by claiming martyrdom or some kind of prosecution for their viewpoints. "Oh, everybody hates me because I bug them about Jesus every single farking day. It must be because I alone know the truth and hence am the underdog against the big machine!" "Oh, everybody is annoyed by me trying to convert people to obey the Jesus and now crosses the street when I walk down it! It must be because I'm holy and strong in my beliefs and hence I am the one who will stand up for them all to show them the error of their ways!"

The real answer is, of course, they're annoying as fark. But the reason they give themselves to synch to the reality of the world is a pure Hollywood faux dramatic one. They believe in the fantasy drama of being 'the one who sees all.' Not only is this convenient for them, it's also self-aggrandizing and condescending towards everybody else. It's the adult version of the kid who's picked on by the class for being a jerk and him continuing it simply to spite them and make his own position seem noble in comparison. And in this case, it's the blowhard style of discourse that Republicans have since their president has farked up their country. Since they can't admit to that (yet are not immune to the realities of it), they throw the blame of Bush to being a 'liberal' by suddenly making it so that Republicans are Democrats and such and that Ron Paul, the one who always stands out, the ONE against the MANY (much like the myth of Jesus), will be their salvation not only for their blatant sheep-style following, but to justify themselves in the long run by making the world better and not having to admit to voting in Bush and then bleating about it until the world really started to suck.

All the support for Ron Paul is merely the Republicans trying to avoid the whole touchy subject of voting in Bush, bragging about it, and now getting that shoved right back in their faces. Their pride is the only thing they have left and since nobody takes them seriously anymore after the complete clusterfark that has been this administration and the Republican candidates are nothing more than a scattershot bunch of losers waiting to get their asses kicked due to the fragmenting base of the Republican party, Ron Paul becomes the easy way for them to fix the party, 'redeem' themselves, and not bothering again to meet reality again.

That's it. Republicans are so farked that they are willing to blow $4 million dollars to avoid admitting, despite the seven years worth of evidence so far, that their dear little leader is an incompetent asshole that would push them all in front of a bus simply because. Ron Paul isn't a movement or a grassroots statement. Ron Paul is the biggest copout of a national political party in the history of this nation. Anybody who wants to vote for him is essentially realizing that Bush is a failure, the Republican Party is a joke, and the whole conservative political ideology likes to exploit the stupid and rich through religious means and doesn't give a good goddamn about anybody else. And since the followers have been so indoctrinated into believing the Democrats are the devil, they have no real voice in government if they let go of the Republican Party. In a sense, when Ron Paul fails, you'll see the ultimate revenge for those who put Bush into office twice: the utter defeat of those who will believe anything and as a result have robbed themselves of a voice for more than a generation at least.

And considering these losers are Christians, the less of a voice they have, the better.

Meatzilla - made a difference how? There's no other conservative in the race. The rest of the Republicans are just authoritarian socialists. Romney talks a good line, but he's already proven himself to be pro-leviathan and once he realizes that government cannot be run like a business, he'll push more bureaucracy down our throats.

Guntram Shatterhand: I finally figured out why Conservatives are all about Ron Paul: underdogism.


There is something to be said for being the underdog (new window)

Crosshair: QFT. The same people who say Dr. Paul Can't win are the same people that would have been saying 200+ years ago, "A country of the people, by the people, for the people will never work."

Well, it didn't. I mean, seriously, look at us.

/voting Ron Paul

There is hope for the country yet if Ron Paul wins.

Hello Fark.com. My name is The_Gallant_Gallstone and I would like the chance to discuss the great work of Dr. Ron Paul with you this afternoon. Are you aware that Dr. Paul traveled back in time from the year 3028 to save us from wandering tribes of cyborg lobsters?

It's true, his Presidential campaign is the only thing between us and slavery at the claws of robotic crustaceans. Thank you for your time and I hope you will give Dr. Paul the support he so richly deserves.

Guntram Shatterhand 2007-12-16 07:30:54 PM

Now that's what I call a rant. A little misdirected and frequently inaccurate, but it has that foaming at the mouth quality you just don't see anymore.

The_Gallant_Gallstone: Hello Fark.com. My name is The_Gallant_Gallstone and I would like the chance to discuss the great work of Dr. Ron Paul with you this afternoon. Are you aware that Dr. Paul traveled back in time from the year 3028 to save us from wandering tribes of cyborg lobsters?

It's true, his Presidential campaign is the only thing between us and slavery at the claws of robotic crustaceans. Thank you for your time and I hope you will give Dr. Paul the support he so richly deserves.

Ron Paul cured my cancer. And I didn't even have cancer.