If I get the chance, Obama will be my protest vote. Perfect he isn't, but christ, what other choice do I have?

Where the hell was Bill been in all this, by the way? I haven't seen that dude in ages. Is he campaigning for her?

Since when are white guys "safe"?

Obama and Hillary can pound each other into irrelevance: I want John Edwards, the first true liberal I've seen running in years.

Don't Tase Me Bro: Obama and Hillary can pound each other into irrelevance: I want John Edwards, the first true liberal douchebag I've seen running in years.

FTFY

If Obama sweeps the first 3-4 primaries he will be the nominee. Which would be fine with me. Who ever is the Democratic nominee will be the next president. The GOP is just putting on a show to pretend they have a chance.

Don't Tase Me Bro: Obama and Hillary can pound each other into irrelevance: I want John Edwards, the first true liberal I've seen running in years.

a multimillionaire trial lawyer a true liberal???????

hahahahahahahahahahaha. what are you smoking?

That douchebag just wants to spend all of your money and none of his.

Is that what you consider liberal?

/Obama FTW

Does he have a blimp?

I think not!

I'd still like to see Gore jump in the race, but I doubt he'd be willing to take the pay cut.

+1 Subby!

Don't Tase Me Bro: I want John Edwards, the first true liberal I've seen running in years.

John Edwards is a "true liberal" only if you ignore his entire career in elected office, where he was a pretty uninspiring and mediocre conservative Democratic Senator.

Of course, we're all expected to believe that John Edwards suddenly "discovered" he'd been a progressive all along when he started running for President, and even more so when he didn't have to go on the record casting a vote in the Senate anymore. Ignore his political cowardice when he was actually in office; focus on what he's saying now that he doesn't have to put his money where his mouth is.

We're expected to believe that Edwards's "principled" choice to take public financing was a brave and noble thing, when the reality was that he couldn't get enough people interested to raise enough to compete with the legitimate candidates - so now Mr. Principled is going to spend all summer if he's nominated asking unregulated corporate 527s to fight his battles for him while the spending caps prevent him from doing a damn thing.

If John Edwards told me the sky is blue, I'd verify it. I'm as Democratic as they come, but I don't trust John Edwards one bit.

But the shiny box told me she was inevitable!

Aarontology: But the shiny box told me she was inevitable!

and I reminded everyone of Howard Dean's numbers the week before Iowa in 04. I still say it is Edwards vs. McCain. McCain wins it all.

Don't Tase Me Bro: I want John Edwards, the first true liberal I've seen running in years.

Edwards is a populist. He is saying what he thinks democrats want to hear because he realizes it is the only niche left he can appeal to. His voting record and what he says now are so far off it is funny.

mistersite:

John Edwards is a "true liberal" only if you ignore his entire career in elected office, where he was a pretty uninspiring and mediocre conservative Democratic Senator.

Of course, we're all expected to believe that John Edwards suddenly "discovered" he'd been a progressive all along when he started running for President, and even more so when he didn't have to go on the record casting a vote in the Senate anymore. Ignore his political cowardice when he was actually in office; focus on what he's saying now that he doesn't have to put his money where his mouth is.

We're expected to believe that Edwards's "principled" choice to take public financing was a brave and noble thing, when the reality was that he couldn't get enough people interested to raise enough to compete with the legitimate candidates - so now Mr. Principled is going to spend all summer if he's nominated asking unregulated corporate 527s to fight his battles for him while the spending caps prevent him from doing a damn thing.

If John Edwards told me the sky is blue, I'd verify it. I'm as Democratic as they come, but I don't trust John Edwards one bit.

Wise man. John Edwards is a user and a fraud. He is a leach on society. I would trust Kucinich before Edwards

Hang On Voltaire: and I reminded everyone of Howard Dean's numbers the week before Iowa in 04. I still say it is Edwards vs. McCain. McCain wins it all.

The thing that pisses me off most about the whole Dean fiasco is how quickly the Democrats turned on a guy who was passionate about his beliefs, could rally the youth and the dissatisfied, and instead went with a guy who had all the passion of a basset hound.

I don't think Edwards is going to get the nod. I think Richardson will emerge as the dark horse candidate. And he will win.

Carth: Don't Tase Me Bro: I want John Edwards, the first true liberal I've seen running in years.

Edwards is a populist. He is saying what he thinks democrats want to hear because he realizes it is the only niche left he can appeal to. His voting record and what he says now are so far off it is funny.

How about his telling Americans to sacrifice their SUV while he just built a farkING 28,000 square foot house. That, my friend, is chutzpah

Former Nebraska Sen. Bob Kerrey plans to publicly endorse Clinton this week. But he said the momentum might belong to Obama. Kerrey spoke about the "phenomenal pride" black voters felt when Obama made joint appearances last weekend with Oprah Winfrey.

What? I thought Jesse Jackson said B. Hussein Obama isn't black enough...what's this 'pride' stuff? Oh, wait, being black is a skin color, not a mindset? Really?

Sadly, we don't vote for women or brothers for this office. It's simply not gonna happen folks. Given that little piece of truth that nobody wants to admit, I hope you're looking forward to 4 more years of GOP rule. This time it will be either a mormon or an evangelical in charge.

/good job Dems!

They don't call it the WHITE house for nothing.

/Line shamelessly stolen from House MD

bacccc: Sadly, we don't vote for women or brothers for this office. It's simply not gonna happen folks. Given that little piece of truth that nobody wants to admit, I hope you're looking forward to 4 more years of GOP rule. This time it will be either a mormon or an evangelical in charge.

/good job Dems!

People like this are are more harmful than any actual racists out there.

Born2late: I'd still like to see Gore jump in the race, but I doubt he'd be willing to take the pay cut.

I lol'd

Shaggy_C: Former Nebraska Sen. Bob Kerrey plans to publicly endorse Clinton this week. But he said the momentum might belong to Obama. Kerrey spoke about the "phenomenal pride" black voters felt when Obama made joint appearances last weekend with Oprah Winfrey.

What? I thought Jesse Jackson said B. Hussein Obama isn't black enough...what's this 'pride' stuff? Oh, wait, being black is a skin color, not a mindset? Really?

Oprah to women is the most powerful women on the planet -she's Black
Obama could end being your next President (kinda sorta) the most powerful man on the planet and he's Black
for the first REAL time a black could be the US president it's not just Black Pride it's American Pride
//showing that the US is truly a melting pot

As usual, the only people bringing up Obama's race are the white-guilt ridden Democrats in an attempt to label anyone who may have different beliefs then they as racists. Rather typical. That's why they tolerate the likes of Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton, who are actual racists and associate with racists, holocaust deniers and all around shady people.

/Only rich white RebuliKKKans can be racist. My college professor told me so.

Hillary Clinton is George Bush with tits, health care and stem cells.

Barak Obama is Jimmy Carter with a deep tan and a different accent.


I'll take Edwards please.

well the race of stupidity is on - so who even cares anymore. After 8 years of bush - it all seems so pointless. Face it - we're screwed. Maybe global warming can speed up the inevitable.

The same party who asked the question "Is Obama Black enough?" has no justification for ever accusing anyone of being racist. I know your professors may disagree, but someday when you TFers are in the real world, you'll understand how the world really workds.

drjekel_mrhyde: //showing that the US is truly a melting pot

I think this is the wildcard that makes his election all the more necessary. Seriously, the guy's middle name is Hussein; can anyone claim that we're trying to fight a religious war against Islam with a guy who went to school in a Madrassa leading our country? That fact alone will bump our standing in the world big time.

bacccc: Sadly, we don't vote for women or brothers for this office. It's simply not gonna happen folks. Given that little piece of truth that nobody wants to admit, I hope you're looking forward to 4 more years of GOP rule. This time it will be either a mormon or an evangelical in charge.

/good job Dems!

Remember kids, because some people out there might not vote for a candidate because they are black or female, said candidate shouldn't even try.

Edwards was basically threatening to nationalize oil, insurance, and pharmaceutical interests on Face the Nation this morning unless they do his bidding if elected. Then he criticized Obama for his willingness to negotiate with business. Instead of a pocket Constitution a la Kucinich, Edwards probably carries the little red book stinking pinko that he is.

Aarontology:

The thing that pisses me off most about the whole Dean fiasco is how quickly the Democrats turned on a guy who was passionate about his beliefs, could rally the youth and the dissatisfied, and instead went with a guy who had all the passion of a basset hound.

I don't think Edwards is going to get the nod. I think Richardson will emerge as the dark horse candidate. And he will win.

Bush would have crushed Dean and the democrats knew it. While Kerry was not the best candidate he was a hell of a lot better than Dean. I love Bill Richardson's chances in the general election but right now I think he is campaigning for the VP spot and he would be an excellent choice for Hillary or Edwards. Obama would have to go with a white guy.

Hang On Voltaire: Obama would have to go with a white guy.

Between these two groups, all else being equal, which is bigger:

People who are racist and sexist enough to not vote for a black guy or woman, ever.

People who are more likely to vote for a black guy or woman because it makes them feel good/proud.

I really don't think the first group is that much bigger, if at all. And I think that the 2nd group is bigger among undecided voters.

Aarontology: I think Richardson will emerge as the dark horse candidate. And he will win.

Richardson was on the short list for Kerry's VP, but didn't make it through the vetting process. None of his scandals have come up during this election cycle because he's not a serious contender. The moment he gets anywhere near the lead, he'll be obliterated by bad press. Personally, I think he's angling for a cabinet position, because he already knows no one will pick him up as VP.

I am actually amazed that there has not been a big scandal emerge from Chicago. I cannot believe that a politician can come out of Chicago and not get dirty. Maybe the other dem candidates are playing nice just to keep this info hidden just in case Obama gets the nom. Choosing party over themselves, unpossible.

Logweasel: Aarontology: I think Richardson will emerge as the dark horse candidate. And he will win.

Richardson was on the short list for Kerry's VP, but didn't make it through the vetting process. None of his scandals have come up during this election cycle because he's not a serious contender. The moment he gets anywhere near the lead, he'll be obliterated by bad press. Personally, I think he's angling for a cabinet position, because he already knows no one will pick him up as VP.

If he does only get a cabinet post, it sure as hell had better be Secretary of State

"Who ever is the Democratic nominee will be the next president. The GOP is just putting on a show to pretend they have a chance."

Don't bet on it, there's always strings to be pulled, and elections to be tampered with. No one thought that incompetent, boob Dubya would be elected in 04, but with Diebold along with the media to put the proper slant on things and all it takes is a close contest and there you go.
Also, there's the Supreme Court to be considered, if it gets anywhere as close as 2000. I think you all know what will happen then. Better vote, only chance the Dems have is a landslide and even then, it'll be no sure thing.
See which Republican has the most Bush and/or oil company ties and there's your next GOP president. Unless they're staying out of this one like they did with Dole and try to push Jeb on us later.

Kurmudgeon: No one thought that incompetent, boob Dubya would be elected in 04

Yes they did. Bush was never written off - if anything, he was always the frontrunner.

DamnYankees: Kurmudgeon: No one thought that incompetent, boob Dubya would be elected in 04

Yes they did. Bush was never written off - if anything, he was always the frontrunner.

The 04 election was close the whole way through. Bush 41 is a much better example of how quickly political fortunes change. In the early summer of 1988 he was written off and it was a forgone conclusion that Dukakis was going to win. In mid 1991 the poll numbers were so high for Bush that many were saying that the Democrats should just give the nomination to a token candidate in 1992. Anyone thinking that the democrats are going to cruise to a win next Nov know nothing of politics. Look also at the 76 election for how quickly things can change

Robert Reich, a Cabinet member in Bill Clinton's administration who has not endorsed a candidate, said it is a mistake for Hillary Clinton to swipe at rivals. "It's a very risky strategy for her," Reich said. "I wish it weren't the case that in addition to everything else, women candidates - like women in society generally - are judged more harshly than men when they go on the attack. "

So it's OK for women to talk about how things would be soooo different if women were in charge because they're "more nurturing and seek win-win solutions to problems" (including no more wars, of course), but it's unfair to criticize them for failing to uphold the higher standard they have set for themselves? I have no problem with "strong women" or whatever the PC term is right now, just walk the walk and don't cry when someone hits back.

It is interesting how the perception and reality of Clinton and Obama are so out of whack. Republicans would rather see Obama as president over Clinton by something like 10-1, but if you look at their records, Clinton's record is actually much closer to the moderate wing of the GOP than Obama is (as for their campaign rhetoric, you can cherry-pick pretty much anything you want to make them seem one way or the other). Perception is everything.

/Had no problem with Maggie Thatcher going on the attack, literally and figuratively.
//Just wants someone halfway competent in office for the next four years, then I'll get back to worrying about ideology.

Kurmudgeon:
Don't bet on it, there's always strings to be pulled, and elections to be tampered with. No one thought that incompetent, boob Dubya would be elected in 04, but with Diebold along with the media to put the proper slant on things and all it takes is a close contest and there you go.

So what happened in 2006? Did Diebold forget to rig the machines? Did the media forget to put the proper spin on things?

Also, there's the Supreme Court to be considered, if it gets anywhere as close as 2000. I think you all know what will happen then. Better vote, only chance the Dems have is a landslide and even then, it'll be no sure thing.

So how did the democrats win Congress back in 2006? I was told that Bush was going to declare martial law right before that election. I was told that Rove was going to blow up the Super Bowl

See which Republican has the most Bush and/or oil company ties and there's your next GOP president. Unless they're staying out of this one like they did with Dole and try to push Jeb on us later.

So the oil companies stayed out of 1996? Who has the oil company ties this year?

Vote for Ron Paul or Obama.

Fred/Ron for the win!

bringbackwhatshappening: Fred/Ron for the win!

Sounds good to me.

Nixon called Fred dumber than a box of rocks, and Ron is kookier than Gomez Addams. FTW

whatever
anything's better than bush

Rovian: Nixon called Fred dumber than a box of rocks, and Ron is kookier than Gomez Addams. FTW

Well you convinced me. I am dropping my suport for either man.

Republicans are running around in pathetic circles. Every time they get a new candidate Fred, Huckabee, etc a desperation for any viable alternative overrides their good sense. Like little lemmings some of them jump on the bandwagon, while others follow the other guy. The primary is split and is going to be close, but no consensus on any of these so called candidates are going to be able to forge a national consensus.

but none consensus on any of these so called candidates are going to be able to forge a national consensus.


oops

pvd021: Vote for Ron Paul or Obama.

those candidates have virtually nothing in common. Why would an Obama supporter vote for Paul? Why would a Paul supporter even consider voting for Obama?

Shaggy_C
Seriously, the guy's middle name is Hussein; can anyone claim that we're trying to fight a religious war against Islam with a guy who went to school in a Madrassa leading our country?

The first point could not possibly be more irrelevant and the second point is factually incorrect...

Boy, Winston Churchill sure was right. And it didn't even take you five minutes.

/may be of interest: Chicago Tribune