Shame that's pretty much the only thing Giuliani's ever said that I could agree with.

The fact that him and Romney are even serious contenders for the GOP nomination shows how far the GOP has fallen thanks to the authoritarian neocons taking over what was once a (granted, imperfect) party of personal liberty and limited government.

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I am now disturbed because I was able to read some of that. But glad I couldn't read all of it.

Former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani says NYC r "quite tolerant of undospoogeented immigration.

WTF is undospoogeented supposed to be?

Wouldn't that therefore be (_)|\||)0((_)/\/\3|\|73|)?

As bad as it sounds, 9/11 was probably the worst thing to happen to Giuliani. It may be his claim to fame, but he was a far better person and politician before it came up. Could you imagine him running for the Republican nomination without the terrust baggage? If he could win it, he'd be unstoppable. Instead we get the fearmongerer 'glass parking lot' moran. Too bad; he's a moderate on most issues.

lolmao666: yeah Guiliani a good guy. HAHAHAHAHAHA Stalin was a good guy too because he supported communism!

/full of fail I know

Yeah, that was pretty terrible.

But really, if it were not for 9/11, the guy would not be a neocon. He'd be a pro-abortion fiscal conservative. Instead, he used the terror thing to catapult himself into the national spotlight and now he's just latching on to some idiots from DC think tanks to determine his foreign policy. As I said, he seems like he could have been a hardy contender and a decent president, he's just lost his way.

R. G. What a walking waste of carbon atoms.

Subby is not a Or2 or O7Z

Every candidate except Tancredo and Paul want to welcome in as many illegals as possible.

Look now,,, you are either WITH the 9/11 guy or with the terrorists. He was THERE on 9/11, where were the other candidates? Cowering under their beds, thats where. Go back and watch the tapes. 9iu11iani and dubyah were at every photo opportunity. The other jokers were probably throwing pancake breakfast fund raisers for the legal defense costs of the Iraqis. Wake up sheeple!

eqtworld: If he knew how to do his job he would have prevented it.

But if he prevented it, then he wouldn't have been there on 9/11. And that's really what matters, the fact that he was there on 9/11, unlike the other candidates who were, in fact, not there on 9/11.

Some of the posters above me make a good point.

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This might be one, but I'm not sure because the poster said whatever it was in an extremely retarded fashion.

/nine
//one
///one
///giggity

"Nine..."

*GASP*

"Eleven."

"WOO-HOO!!! YEAH!!! I agree with that."

once again, submitter is clever - but as giuliani only has one "L" in it, you should really spell his name 9iu11ani.

Biological Ali: eqtworld: If he knew how to do his job he would have prevented it.

But if he prevented it, then he wouldn't have been there on 9/11. And that's really what matters, the fact that he was there on 9/11, unlike the other candidates who were, in fact, not there on 9/11.

And at least Rudy didn't blame 9-11 on fags which is what many of his fellow Republicans did either in private or in public.

Nice people, those fundies. Nothing they do causes any problems. Just the fags. And the single women. And the clean, articulate African Americans.

FlashHarry: once again, submitter is clever - but as giuliani only has one "L" in it, you should really spell his name 9iu11ani.

You don't understand. 9/11 changed everything.

Another fark thread where ethno-centrist Americans talk about how they don't hate immigrants, just illegal immigrants. Ignoring the fact that it is the ridiculous (and possibly racist) immigration laws that define what is illegal.

Chuck Wagon: You don't understand. 9/11 changed everything.

Exactly. For example, many people changed their pants.

I really hope this guy is the republican nominee. If the election is between two north eastern liberals, people are sure to choose the genuine article over chronically fake Guiliani.

Rovian: I really hope this guy is the republican nominee.

No. Not that.

If he isn't the same person as he was in 2001 with respect to immigration, how can we be sure he isn't the same leader he was on 9/11?

Ignoring the fact that it is the ridiculous (and possibly racist) immigration laws that define what is illegal.

A nation has the right to dictate who comes in and who doesn't. If not, than it ceases to be a nation and just becomes a chunk of real estate.

Have you tried becoming a citizen of Japan?

There are reasons why it's important to limit the number of new folks coming into the country. As a society, we can only absorb so many at a time. Unless you want to become completely Balkanized and revert to tribal allegiances.

It's very easy to have the "no one's illegal" mindset when you disregard the entire concept of what a nation-state is all about.

skylabdown: It's very easy to have the "no one's illegal" mindset when you disregard the entire concept of what a nation-state is all about.

There are no borders aside from the ones you create for yourself. Limits mean nothing because you, as a human, have the power of choice. And don't let anyone or anything stand in your way. One life - live.

No hay fronteras verdaderas, solamente las que to te creas!

There are no borders aside from the ones you create for yourself.

Yes and no...

Regardless of that, there are many folks who do care about borders and limits. Try crossing into North Korea on your next free choice zen trip.

Also, ask the guards on Mexico's southern border if they agree with your last comment.

I'm pretty sure I didn't create the border between Mexico and the U.S. for myself. At least I don't remember creating it... maybe I was drunk.

When a man runs for the #1 office in the world, he has to lie. The system will destroy him if he does not.

/bring some of that Iraq democracy back to the states boys

bacccc: When a man runs for the #1 office in the world, he has to lie. The system will destroy him if he does not.

/bring some of that Iraq democracy back to the states boys

You don't understand. 9/11 changed everything.

skylabdown: Regardless of that, there are many folks who do care about borders and limits. Try crossing into North Korea on your next free choice zen trip.

Interesting; when the idea of draconian border laws comes up, you think of soem of the worst countries and corrupt governments on the face of the Earth. Why the argument that we should become more like them?

Shaggy_C: Interesting; when the idea of draconian border laws comes up, you think of soem of the worst countries and corrupt governments on the face of the Earth. Why the argument that we should become more like them?

When I think of borders, I don't think of the worst and most corrupt countries. I think of a situation where one nation is bordering another nation that is able to provide individuals with more opportunities.

I think that we shouldn't be terribly hard on immigrants, as the process to become a citizen is absurdly bureaucratic and takes far too long. The system needs to change to accommodate the number of individuals who want to move here. However, until that becomes a reality, we still need to respect the law. Even if I think a law is stupid and therefore choose not to obey it, I'm not surprised when I get punished for breaking that law.

bean_sips: The system needs to change to accommodate the number of individuals who want to move here. However, until that becomes a reality, we still need to respect the law. Even if I think a law is stupid and therefore choose not to obey it, I'm not surprised when I get punished for breaking that law.

I can understand this, but do you really want to elect a politician who says "I think the law is dumb but I promise to enforce it" or do you want to elect a guy who says "this law is crap, I am going to fight tooth and nail to repeal it and if that cannot work I am going to fight to the death to stop my opponents from enforcing their draconian laws"

Well, I want a politician to enforce the laws until they can get them changed. There are lots of stupid laws out there, but if we were able to just pick and choose the ones that we wanted to follow without regard to the consequences, what would be the point of having them in the first place?

Our immigration laws are focused too much on either repeatedly kicking violators out of our country or ignoring the problem altogether. Instead of focusing on punishment, we should take the time to see how we can help those who want to move here legally while focusing on integrating them into our nation.

This headline style was really funny yesterday, when it was original. Now it's already overused, Lamemitter.

uvadover: This headline style was really funny yesterday, when it was original. Now it's already overused, Lamemitter.

The headline was submitted with the word "Giuliani". The moderator changed it. Although, I mind it a lot less than you...unless it leads people to say my jokes are unoriginal when I didn't make a joke.

/still lame in other aspects, though, so I got no problem with that part

The Greatest American Frampton: Ghoulliani couldn't have gotten a job as dog catcher on 9/10. New Yorkers HATED him. Impressive revisionism there though.

Liberal New York snobs living in Manhattan hated him. He did a lot of good things for that city, and that's why he was re-elected. I know you have to instinctively hate all things Republican, but he wasn't that bad...

You're the jerk... jerk: Another fark thread where ethno-centrist Americans talk about how they don't hate immigrants, just illegal immigrants. Ignoring the fact that it is the ridiculous (and possibly racist) immigration laws that define what is illegal.

This is hilarious on so many levels....

First of all: "ethno-centrist Americans"? What a scream. America is the most ethnically diverse country in the entire world.

Next: "ridiculous laws...that define what is illegal". How else do you define what is illegal? With cellphones? With Hello Kitty purses? With gunfights?

Finally: I absolutely agree with you that our current immigration laws are "racist". Yes, they are heavily weighted in favor of Central Americans, and allow those immigrants to then turn around and qualify their extended family members to immigrate. We should definitely modify those laws to NOT favor such people.

Huggermugger: Finally: I absolutely agree with you that our current immigration laws are "racist". Yes, they are heavily weighted in favor of Central Americans, and allow those immigrants to then turn around and qualify their extended family members to immigrate. We should definitely modify those laws to NOT favor such people.

Agreed.

Huggermugger: Finally: I absolutely agree with you that our current immigration laws are "racist". Yes, they are heavily weighted in favor of Central Americans, and allow those immigrants to then turn around and qualify their extended family members to immigrate. We should definitely modify those laws to NOT favor such people.

Yes. America should only be open to those lucky enough to have parents born here. No one else should be allowed without our permission.

Shaggy_C: ...
Liberal New York snobs living in Manhattan hated him. He did a lot of good things for that city, and that's why he was re-elected. I know you have to instinctively hate all things Republican, but he wasn't that bad...

Nope, everybody hated him, but he was pretty good at his job (plus had some things go his way). That's the difference between NorthEast and the rest of the country, competency is usually the first factor then likability.

And on your earlier post about him being a social moderate, you are again way wrong. He's only a social moderate on three things abortion, gay rights and immigration. Everything else he's a flat out fascist, I'm not talking about some dirty stinking hippie calling somebody a fascist, but actual honest to God fascism. He wanted to keep power after his term was up for a few months. He's an unmitigated bigot. He's defended predatory priests and attacked art museums. When you actually get to know him, you'd realize that hes a total douchebag (don't forget the jumping on the Red Sox Bandwagon).

Komplex: And on your earlier post about him being a social moderate, you are again way wrong. He's only a social moderate on three things abortion, gay rights and immigration.

And if he gets the nomination expect him to swing to the right on those issues as well.

Shaggy_C: There are no borders aside from the ones you create for yourself.

No, there really are borders.

jgbrowning: No, there really are borders imaginary lines on a map.

FTFY

While you intellectuals squabble, we'll go ahead and take 1/5th of your Country.

Kthnxbai,

-The Mexicans

You're the jerk... jerk "Another fark thread where ethno-centrist Americans talk about how they don't hate immigrants, just illegal immigrants."

I probably wouldn't even notice or care that we're being overrun by Mexicans, if the damn Mexicans weren't so loud and obnoxious.

For all I know, some quite, clean, industrious ethnic group is overrunning the country, but they're doing it quietly and politely...

You're the jerk... jerk "Another fark thread where ethno-centrist Americans talk about how they don't hate immigrants, just illegal immigrants."

Like these ethno-centrist Americans?

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Suck it.