Apparently after being around dangerous animals she got kind of cockney, subby.

Sir Roderick Glossop: Apparently after being around dangerous animals she got kind of cocky, subby.

Heh, sorry.

Sam?

CygnusDarius: Sir Roderick Glossop: Apparently after being around dangerous animals she got kind of cocky, subby.

Heh, sorry.

Sad pet irritates?

Send the dog to PETA.

Bad dog Carl.

I'll tell you, those Rottweilers really are the 'dog breed of peace'.


//I'd say 4/10.

Glass parking lot.

Dog in question?

That's not fair, Dr.DTHP! A Pomeranian could have done the same thing! It's not the breed!

/sarcasm, because I have seen people claim that.

kiyote: That's not fair, Dr.DTHP! A Pomeranian could have done the same thing! It's not the breed!

/sarcasm, because I have seen people claim that.

Youre fulla crap.

/Have to be a Pomeranian with a raging antibiotic resistant staph mouth infection

Devil Cat would've kicked that Rott's ass.

Well played, Subby, well played.

kiyote: That's not fair, Dr.DTHP! A Pomeranian could have done the same thing! It's not the breed!

/sarcasm, because I have seen people claim that.



People who claim a Pom could have done the same damage are idiots. However, Poms can be just as aggressive, if not more so.

But people are much less likely to report an attack from a vicious small dog because they do less damage (oh, it's just a little flesh wound), even if they are MORE likely to bite. Some people even expect small dogs to be nippy and whacked out, so they just attribute it to their nature.

Yes, because having both arms amputated 2 weeks before christmas should be a constant source of amusement for everyone else.

My sides..

Dog of Peace

Stantz: Yes, because having both arms amputated 2 weeks before christmas should be a constant source of amusement for everyone else.

Are you new here?

Embden.Meyerhof:

And the talking points begin.

Get a big dog if you can handle it. If you can't get a small dog. If you can't handle that don't get a dog.

It's that simple. Dogs are pack animals. If you do not display yourself as leading the pack and do not strongly discourage them to nipping visitors they will act accordingly. That said, you also need to be prepared to injure your dog should the time come. I don't understand why people are so opposed to injuring dogs. When it comes to big dogs, you're better off being rough with them while playing and rough with them while not, and you certainly should not ever get a dog you don't honestly feel you could take if it came down to teeth-n-fists.

Stantz: Yes, because having both arms amputated 2 weeks before christmas should be a constant source of amusement for everyone else.

My sides..

Obviously not. Its only amusing at Christmas time.

Baron Von Bullshiat: Dog of Peace
should have been
/approves

Stantz: Yes, because having both arms amputated 2 weeks before christmas should be a constant source of amusement for everyone else.

Come on, I thought you Brits were used to being unarmed.

ScottHimself: Embden.Meyerhof:

And the talking points begin.

Get a big dog if you can handle it. If you can't get a small dog. If you can't handle that don't get a dog.

It's that simple. Dogs are pack animals. If you do not display yourself as leading the pack and do not strongly discourage them to nipping visitors they will act accordingly. That said, you also need to be prepared to injure your dog should the time come. I don't understand why people are so opposed to injuring dogs. When it comes to big dogs, you're better off being rough with them while playing and rough with them while not, and you certainly should not ever get a dog you don't honestly feel you could take if it came down to teeth-n-fists.


Yeah. They really hate it when youre wrestling with em and you bite em on the leg. COnfused my dog to no end. Made him stop nipping too. WEll, by nipping i mean grabbing my wrists with his teeth.

/Never got more then minor scrapes from a dog who ive seen chew though a 2x4.

Lame headline.

I just want to say one thing: when it comes to dog attacks, it's the killing and the maiming that are important, not the biting.

/hates the "small dogs are more likely to bite than big dogs, so why doesn't anyone talk about banning them" argument.

ScottHimself: Embden.Meyerhof:

And the talking points begin.

Get a big dog if you can handle it. If you can't get a small dog. If you can't handle that don't get a dog.

It's that simple. Dogs are pack animals. If you do not display yourself as leading the pack and do not strongly discourage them to nipping visitors they will act accordingly. That said, you also need to be prepared to injure your dog should the time come. I don't understand why people are so opposed to injuring dogs. When it comes to big dogs, you're better off being rough with them while playing and rough with them while not, and you certainly should not ever get a dog you don't honestly feel you could take if it came down to teeth-n-fists.



I totally agree, however if you are a good owner who understands how to raise a dog you shouldn't have to injure them.

Unknown_Poltroon:

Biting your dog is usually the best method to stop him from biting.

Ears work especially well.

As much as people like to think you can be nice with all dogs, you can't. Everything with a more aggressive dog is about dominance. Everything. You start with a leg up because when they come into your life they're usually young and have a submissive demeanor and outlook.

Biting a dog shows them that you're not worried about returning aggression, even while playing, and will keep them from taking playing to fighting.

True, you can't pull the "Oo's a widdle puppy wuppy?" with an aggressive, dominant dog. I've seen people do this and they can't figure out why Thor the Doberman wants to bite their nose off when they've been oh so nice and kind to the sweet doggy.

Embden.Meyerhof:

With some dogs you can accidentally let it slip through your body langauge (THIS IS EVERYTHING!) that you're in a weakened or submissive state. Anyone can do this, because it doesn't even have to be directed at the canine for it to pick up the weakness.

Dogs are more docile wolves. That's all they are. Don't treat them as any less and you'll be fine.

/has 2 Dobermans
//have initiated real fights with both of them
///make sure you can win before you do - they really will kill you
//once you win you're good for at least a few years and they'll be the best dogs you can have
/slashies for Bebop and Rocksteady!

Time to take up arms against these foul beasts!!!

/let's join hands and get something done about this unchecked savagery aimed at kennel workers!!

ScottHimself:
/has 2 Dobermans
//have initiated real fights with both of them
///make sure you can win before you do - they really will kill you

Darwin, meet ScottHimself. ScotHimself, Darwin.

/be seein' ya soon!

ScottHimself: Dogs are more docile wolves.

Unless you have a Basset Hound. Then you have yourself a more docile sandbag, although possibly not as intelligent.

/my dog, good for blocking drafts from under the door

Enry Iggins unavailable for comment.

ScottHimself:


Biting your dog is usually the best method to stop him from biting.


That depends on the motivation for the biting. Agression? Well, you could escalate it. Best move: tip them over and pin them on their back by the neck; be firm and calm. Playing? Well, then they'll keep playing until you change the game.


Everything with a more aggressive all dogs is about dominance. Everything. You start with a leg up because when they come into your life they're usually young and have a submissive demeanor and outlook.


Not all puppies are submissive. Even in the litter there are alphas and omegas. The alphas aren't alphas because they are aggressive, they are alphas because they are dominant. There is a difference.


Biting a dog shows them that you're not worried about returning aggression, even while playing, and will keep them from taking playing to fighting.

See above.

ScottHimself: As much as people like to think you can be nice with all dogs, you can't.

True, understanding dog nature is important. They are pack animals, and have their own rules. If YOU are not capable of being the alpha male/pack leader, then they WILL.
If your dog is trying to assert dominance, a good tactic is to grab his front legs/shoulders, flip him, pin him on his back and growl LOUDLY in his face.
This is how they EXPECT to be put in their place.

+1 subby

Stantz: Yes, because having both arms amputated 2 weeks before christmas should be a constant source of amusement for everyone else.

This stuff amuses me at any time of year. I'm kind of an asshole that way.

/ subby

Embden.Meyerhof:

If a dog is biting you in an attempt to communicate that he wants to challenge your dominance you've already gotten yourself in deep. Grab a stick. If they're playing then you can allow it as long as you're okay with it, but once it gets past the point you're comfortable with you can initiate a more aggressive, dominant bite to show that the game's done, and anything further will cause a tussle. Dogs understand this and, assuming you have been a good owner, will back down from you.

The reason I isolated big dogs is because, to be honest, keeping dominance over a small dog is really, really easy. They pose no danger to you, so you can pretty much allow the aggression to build until you kick the SOB for biting you and it'll stop. Dogs challenge for the alpha position, for territory, or for game. That's pretty much all they know. They learn to share your territory with you from birth, should consider you their pack leader, and you should be providing food obviously.

It sounds over-the-top, but being a complete hardass with a dog is the only way to ensure safety for you and those around you. Cruelty, however, is a whole 'nother animal.

To cerberus9, Darwin is more of the CAUSE for that kind of behavior. Darwin will kill you for NOT displaying dominance and showing it clearly before you go to sleep with an open throat.

HowlingFrog:

Simply showing teeth should be, if you do it right, enough to assert dominance. Also, NEVER lose when you play-fight. Never.

40below:
/ subby

Shocked. Shocked and Awed.

She was right, though. Dogs have four legs and are armless.

/The teeth are what's the proble

ScottHimself, dogs aren't more docile wolves. They are the more docile descendants of the more aggressive wolves, that were kept because they would guard things instead of running away, and which would attack healthy large prey animals capable of killing them, but vulnerable to a human-thrown spear when briefly stopped.

Tame pet wolves and pet dogs were pretty much the same thing when they could roam literally as they wished, before chains and fences and other domesticated animals existed. They could stay relatively sane and alpha-oriented wolves could simply leave to form their own packs, unlike trying to keep a pet wolf nowdays.

The dog distinction simply appeared when the ones living with people came into conflict with untamed packs of wolves, as the more useful animals were crappier at surviving in the wild. What dogs we have now are the descendants of selected guard wolves.

SwiftFox:

Norse mythology isn't a good source of history, friend.

Dogs are a different species of canine from wolves. They aren't descendants anymore than humans are descendants of gorillas.

Pet wolves are possible to keep and can be good pets, but you'd pretty much have to take everything I've said so far and do it daily to deal with how much aggression and pack instinct they have, and also because they are much more capable of killing than your average dog, meaning they view you as less of an alpha from a biological standpoint than a dog would.

That said, any full grown man should be capable of "taking" a full grown dog, and should at least be able to put up a fight against a wolf. The weakness of our species is perceived - we aren't that useless yet.

Embden.Meyerhof: kiyote: That's not fair, Dr.DTHP! A Pomeranian could have done the same thing! It's not the breed!

/sarcasm, because I have seen people claim that.

People who claim a Pom could have done the same damage are idiots. However, Poms can be just as aggressive, if not more so.

But people are much less likely to report an attack from a vicious small dog because they do less damage (oh, it's just a little flesh wound), even if they are MORE likely to bite. Some people even expect small dogs to be nippy and whacked out, so they just attribute it to their nature.

THIS

I'm a kennel worker and the only breed I have encountered that seems to have any predisposition towards aggressiveness is dachshunds. Those little farkers are mean. For every sweet gentle one, there's 10 more that act like they wanna take your finger off.

There are some breed specific personality traits, and they are mostly just huge generalizations but just from personal experience, I've had more trouble with smaller breeds. I've been bitten 4 times, two dachshunds, a mini poodle, and a husky. Of course the husky did the most damage, but I've never had any trouble with the breeds that are commonly thought of a vicious. If the pit or rottweiler bite ever comes though, I will probably end up in the hospital. And on the news.

JmBa:

Aggression is pack instinct/being territorial. All dogs exhibit these traits, whether by being docile or by being "aggressive". Dogs fall in the role you place them.

Just sayin'

Why don't they put the dogs down beforehand? It would be safer?

Updated to Mostly 'armless.

HowlingFrog:
If your dog is trying to assert dominance, a good tactic is to grab his front legs/shoulders, flip him, pin him on his back and growl LOUDLY in his face.
This is how they EXPECT to be put in their place.

I don't know what kind of dogs you've been around, but that's a great way to lose half your face. Try it with an aggressive 100+ lb GSD, and let me know how that goes.

There are far safer ways to educate dominant dogs. I have no sympathy for anyone who tries the above and needs medical attention.

See, this is why I prefer sharing living space with an animal that can't kill me if it becomes so inclined.

ScottHimself: JmBa:

Aggression is pack instinct/being territorial. All dogs exhibit these traits, whether by being docile or by being "aggressive". Dogs fall in the role you place them.

Just sayin'

Yes, I am well-versed in alpha techniques, we work to discourage most territorial or alpha dog behavior. Some of our employees have direct interaction with the dogs during walks and play, so this is very important. But for sheer initial overtly aggressive behavior, I've found dachshunds to be a particularly difficult breed. I personally think breed has little to do with a dog's behavior, but just wanted to counter anyone who claims breeds like rotts and pits are inherently more vicious than others which is usually the main topic in threads like this.

You're very right, an awareness of body language (both the dog's and your own) is vital to the interaction. Show them you are the alpha and avoid submissive actions and stances. I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw an employee fall to the floor in our "daycare" room (15+ dogs) Two seconds on the ground and she was swarmed by dogs. NEVER get below a dog's level.

Perhaps the owner should have looked at the kennel and its' personnel a bit more closely before choosing to board her Rottie there. I know I tend to trot stuff like this out in every vicious dog thread, but, meh, it's what I do: best friend owned a Rottweiller for nearly 10 years before the dog passed away. Good dog, gentle with known children, invited guests, etc, but simply could not be boarded as she would gladly attack any and all strangers who could not or would not execute a release command. Territorial, kinda scary doggie. I dog-sat for my buddy on several occasions and while her pup would obey me, she was never too happy about it. I for one, would not leave our Akita in the care of any kennel, not only because she's a super-protective guard dog, but the icky dog diseases that float around there, vaccines or no.

/would be happy to entrust Puppy's care to either Mr. PooperScooper (who is one of Puppy's best friends since she sees him every week) or to her Dog-Ma and Dog-Pa who know exactly how to handle her and ain't shy about the shock collar
//no, Puppy has never bitten anyone, other than me and even then it was one occasion
///really feels for the lady in this article. Pretty different than having a dog attack an intruder in a back yard. Hope she recovers well and that the dog is evaluated, heavily