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Good for Tina. Just because someone's is no longer alive, in no makes them meritorious of forgiveness.

The widow needs to STFU and go back to mourning, or whatever she does besides stir up old family wounds.

Check out the NPR Fresh Air website for a terrific interview with him from about 10 years ago (rebroadcast yesterday) Whether you believe his explanation for the beatings and other stuff is up to you but give it a listen.

/Tina's wise. The dude's dead, it is time to move on

The link to Ike interview podcast in question.

Of course she should forgive him! If she doesn't, Satan won't let Ike play basketball in hell. He'll only be allowed to play horseshoes.

But there's something called forgiveness and I know Ike really forgave himself, which is really hard to do."

well, I don't think he beat himself, so that's kind of null and void.

We produced one of the first concerts that she did without Ike, 1973, somewhere down in Florida. She called us late in the afternoon (the show was at 8) and said "Ike's all coked up, and drunk on top of that. He can't walk, much less play". We told her to come on without him, and bring her singers with her. I'll never forget that night - I was out in the van with my son (he was 2 months old) changing his clothes and whatnot. It was warm and foggy, and a limo pulled up to the backstage door, which had one of those big lights hanging over it with a kind of foggy halo around it. Tina got out, stood there for a minute, readjusted her clothes and fur, took a deep breath and threw her head back, and walked in the door. She reeked of resolve and class. I got him dressed and ran back inside, where she put on a show of epic proportion.

I know Ike did a lot of things, but "helping Tina" wasn't one of them. She did it all on her own.

Who marries a man best known for beating his wife?

Fenis-Wolf: Who marries a man best known for beating his wife?

The same types that send love letters to serial killers

I think we can all speak for Tina with this:

FARK YOU.

If Ike was so concerned about forgiveness, he had enough freaking time to make amends. Since he's dead, that's his cross to bear.

I will forgive him. (Does that help?)

I don't know if the headline was a Calvin & Hobbes reference, but that's what I got out of it.

Kevin Nealon would have forgiven him.

People who don't forgive will forever remain emotionally stunted.

Fenis-Wolf: Who marries a man best known for beating his wife?

A woman who only knew abuse her entire life.

Or, one who's looking to stay hitched just long enough to get a healthy divorce settlement.

/cynical?
//mayhaps

Guntram Shatterhand: I think we can all speak for Tina with this:

FARK YOU.

If Ike was so concerned about forgiveness, he had enough freaking time to make amends. Since he's dead, that's his cross to bear.

Yeah but back then beating women wasnt exclusive to one man, now add alcohol/drugs in the mix and it only gets worse.

Still, he was a musical genius and tina wouldnt be known if it wasnt for him.

/still hates them for killing a good CCR song
//that should never be played again

Maybe she has forgiven him, but doesn't feel like it's any of the widow's or public's gotdam business. Really, that's between her and him.

So generous of him to "forgive himself".

Good for Tina - she probably already forgave him but he doesn't deserve any postmortem positive PR.

It has always been sad that the thing Ike Turner is known for, is for beating up on Tina Turner. I wish Ike had got to kick Laurence Fishburne's ass before Ike died.

Do some reading. Ike Turner is/was an important man in the history of rock and roll. The Ike and Tina shows were some of the best ever, too.

steamingpile:

Still, he was a musical genius and tina wouldnt be known if it wasnt for him.

"GO ON IKE HIT ME AGAIN...and this time PUT SOME STANK ON IT !"

/Jim Carey

/still hates them for killing a good CCR song
//that should never be played again


You don't really mean Proud Mary do you?? I thought CCR liked her version better

barneyfifesbullet: It has always been sad that the thing Ike Turner is known for, is for beating up on Tina Turner. I wish Ike had got to kick Laurence Fishburne's ass before Ike died.



"I'm not going to lie to you Neo, every single man or woman that has stood their ground, anyone that has fought an agent Ike Turner has died."

Epossumondas: Maybe she has forgiven him, but doesn't feel like it's any of the widow's or public's gotdam business. Really, that's between her and him.

Amen.

Jeanette Turner said: " I know that she was hurt. But there's something called forgiveness and I know Ike really forgave himself, which is really hard to do."

There there, Ike, don't beat yourself up over it...

/low-hanging fruit

Good for Tina. fark Ike Turner, he's dead!

Ike and his temendous ego forgave himself- wow, where's his Humanitarian of the Century award? Damn glad he's dead.

7th Son of a 7th Son: I don't know if the headline was a Calvin & Hobbes reference, but that's what I got out of it.

Aye, me as well. When you think about it, Calvin & Susie's relationship was about as healthy as Ike & Tina's....

People who don't forgive will forever remain emotionally stunted.

There are those of us who have tried for years (or longer perhaps) to forgive the monsters we knew. Sometimes it's impossible.

/Moral of the story: please don't become a monster.

minoridiot: People who don't forgive will forever remain emotionally stunted.

Not really. Some things you just can't. I remember in high school one of the few Auschwitz survivors spoke at our school. She said to this very day she still cannot forgive the Germans. And that pissed off alot of the kids in our school because their parents were German (military town). Too bad, I said. She got tortured and a whole country turned away their eye. I think she's allowed to be angry.

theurge14: minoridiot: People who don't forgive will forever remain emotionally stunted.

Not really. Some things you just can't. I remember in high school one of the few Auschwitz survivors spoke at our school. She said to this very day she still cannot forgive the Germans. And that pissed off alot of the kids in our school because their parents were German (military town). Too bad, I said. She got tortured and a whole country turned away their eye. I think she's allowed to be angry.

And on top of that, what right does Ike's wife have to demand forgiveness? That's like me telling that Auschwitz survivor to forgive just because I said so, being born in 1978. It's a form of concern trolling that marginalizes the incident(s) in order to have some pathetic form of false reality in which Ike can be honored without anybody mentioning what a complete bastard he was at the expense of Tina. Is that fair to Tina? And if this was paramount in Ike's mind, why the hell didn't he make amends and if so, he's simply not in the position to make that call. He was not the one affected and as a result he has no real right to request that call. His wife has an even less reason to do so, and should shut the fark up.

Also, you ever notice that people who request this kind of forgiveness are usually the biggest assholes who put this salt on top of a wound anyway? Real classy. Burn in hell, Ike.

huchipapa: People who don't forgive will forever remain emotionally stunted.

There are those of us who have tried for years (or longer perhaps) to forgive the monsters we knew. Sometimes it's impossible.

/Moral of the story: please don't become a monster.

I didn't say it was easy, but until you do forgive, you continue to allow that monster to control your feelings, life, and relationships with others. I was involved in a relationship with an abusive spouse who use to beat the hell out of me (and then blame me for her outbursts). It might have been easier for me to forgive her because I've never been the type of person who depends on others for my own happiness. Which is what I suppose it all boils down to: only you can make yourself happy.

Jeanette Turner said: " I know that she was hurt. But there's something called forgiveness and I know Ike really forgave himself, which is really hard to do."

She has got to be kidding. I think Tina's statement summed it up nicely: "There will be no further comment."

One Bad Apple: You don't really mean Proud Mary do you?? I thought CCR liked her version better

Politically correct thing to say at the time for them, that song farking sucks and is farking tainted because most younger people think its an Ike and Tina song that CCR covered.

Pegasus_CAG: Jeanette Turner said: " I know that she was hurt. But there's something called forgiveness and I know Ike really forgave himself, which is really hard to do."

She has got to be kidding. I think Tina's statement summed it up nicely: "There will be no further comment."

Yep. Thx.