Ummm...no. Every one of those are in the history books. I knew about all of them. You just don't pay attention.

People seem unaware of how PC history books have to be over the last 20 years or so.

GaryPDX: Ummm...no. Every one of those are in the history books.

Maybe if you ditched the history book they gave you for class and wandered around the history section of your local public library.

Great stuff...we need to know these kind of events happened. Never forget.

Halfmast Trousers: People seem unaware of how PC history books have to be over the last 20 years or so.

The victors write history. Besides, back then seemed like the right thing to do. Hindsight makes it ugly. What we needs is a new stealth weapon, 20/20 foresight. We'd be golden.

GaryPDX: back then seemed like the right thing to do. Hindsight makes it ugly

Sure it did. To the bad guys, the hypocrites that called themselves "Christians."

The purpose of hindsight is to attempt to not make the same mistakes they did.

whidbey: GaryPDX: back then seemed like the right thing to do. Hindsight makes it ugly

Sure it did. To the bad guys, the hypocrites that called themselves "Christians."

The purpose of hindsight is to attempt to not make the same mistakes they did.

Dude, that merry go round has been spinning throughout time. The beauty of history repeating itself boils down to interpretation. It's inescapable. It's only a matter of when and where.

GaryPDX: Dude, that merry go round has been spinning throughout time. The beauty of history repeating itself boils down to interpretation. It's inescapable. It's only a matter of when and where.

The fact is that we've never been at a better place in history to make up for past indescretions. There's never been a country like this one where ordinary people are citizens alongside the elite.

We are at a point where we could really change things, and justifying previous bad behaviors as "oh well, they thought it was the right thing to do" is a cop-out.

Keep in mind that there were people then as now speaking out against injustice, prejudice and imperialism.

Remember, if white, cultured people kill someone, it's evil and they should be punished for all eternity.

If barbaric terrorists like bin Laden kill someone, it's their poor oppressed culture. Either that or it's whitey's fault.

Gee that was so poignant I just forgot it, smooshie...

whidbey: GaryPDX: Ummm...no. Every one of those are in the history books.

Maybe if you ditched the history book they gave you for class and wandered around the history section of your local public library.

Nope. I hated history, so there was not a chance I'd do anything of the sort. I knew about these.

Every one of those are in the history books, just with a somewhat less ridiculous spin.

I knew all of this stuff. Jeebus, they're missing things.

A lot of these actions were started with faked enemy attacks, which aren't mentioned.

That's a pattern to watch.

/Yes, Roosevelt too for you Tighty-Righties.

Digeratus: Every one of those are in the history books, just with a somewhat less ridiculous spin.

I disagree. Not every one of them, and not in the books I read.

I learned most of them from reading Howard Zinn, much recently.

Perhaps this would be a good point to rethink the Prop-em-Up, Arm-em, Tear-em Down Rinse/Repeat Doctrine?

whidbey: The fact is that we've never been at a better place in history to make up for past indescretions. There's never been a country like this one where ordinary people are citizens alongside the elite.

We are at a point where we could really change things, and justifying previous bad behaviors as "oh well, they thought it was the right thing to do" is a cop-out.

Keep in mind that there were people then as now speaking out against injustice, prejudice and imperialism.

And then I look over there and people are chopping other peoples heads off. I don't think we're as civilized as you think we are.

I want to believe, though.

whidbey, did you notice yesterday about Mexico? They are about to go full on Fascist State (new window).

I'd hate to be a Mexican Policeman, Can you imagine? Busting down doors every night, all night?

GaryPDX: They are about to go full on Fascist State (new window).

*shrugs* They were headed down that road when they adopted the concept of "federal police."

Afternoon_Delight: There's no hate like liberal hateTM.

Pipe down, you.

whidbey: GaryPDX: They are about to go full on Fascist State (new window).

*shrugs* They were headed down that road when they adopted the concept of "federal police."

Afternoon_Delight: There's no hate like liberal hateTM.

Pipe down, you.

Dude, I don't think you grasp the gravity of this Judicial change in Mexico. This could spark a revolt down there. Try to imagine where millions of refugees will go to get out of the way of the shooting. One guess...just one.

We're talking Exodus proportions of population displacement. This is not good at all.

GaryPDX: Dude, I don't think you grasp the gravity of this Judicial change in Mexico. This could spark a revolt down there. Try to imagine where millions of refugees will go to get out of the way of the shooting. One guess...just one.

Mexico, of all the countries in this part of the world, is ripe for such a revolt.

And if they come here, maybe it'll spur some needed debate, if not outright indignation...

Afternoon_Delight

My collection of platitude bumper stickers, let me show them to you.

Hey Afternoon_Delight, in your little world view, who exactly gets the blame for the US foreign policy that stamps out populist regimes, often called socialist, for tyrannical dictators that won't say anything bad about the US, as long as they can abuse their people.

I'll give you a hint. This happened a lot during the years of Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan, and Bush I and II.

I bet you won't respond to this at all.

eqtworld: I am still pissed about the emancipation proclamation.

Damn skippy. And what's up with the 19th Amendment?

I graduated high school 2 years ago, and almost all of these were covered in my history classes.

North Korea is described as "progressive forces"

Viet Nam is described as an attempted de-colonization from the French, with the later Communist genocide blamed on the U.S.

Rwanda is blamed on the U.S. as a sin of omission, claiming the U.S. blocked action

"Che Guevera is captured by CIA and U.S.-trained Bolivian Rangers on October 8 and executed the next day"
No mention that he was a paid executioner for Castro and was captured invading, and inciting armed rebellion against, a sovereign democratic nation.

Claims that in 2002 a US-backed coup failed against Chavez in Venezuela. First I have heard that it was US backed from anyone but Chavez.


Whatever truth is listed in this abortion of a site, such as the annexation of Hawaii or the massacres at Wounded Knee, etc, it is discredited by the ignorant, pro-totalitarian, crap mixed in with it.

tomWright:

Total threadjack.

Not THE Tom Wright of the formerly Midwestern (Four letter word for a town) Wrights?

- Just curious and you didn't have an e-mail in your profile.

yeah yeah. America = teh evil. We get it.


/not a single circle in Europe. Shocking

Hang On Voltaire: yeah yeah. America = teh evil. We get it.


/not a single circle in Europe. Shocking

That's cause they were too busy screwing with their selves.

Gladio

Afternoon_Delight:

Suddenly you like your events current?

Once upon a time there once was a man named Saddam Hussein and during the Iran/Iraq War, the American government decided...

Afternoon_Delight: The liberal will tell you

Like "the jew", I take it?

PC LOAD LETTER: Like "the jew", I take it?

Liberals have bigger claws.

Donald_McRonald: PC LOAD LETTER: Like "the jew", I take it?

Liberals have bigger claws.

This proves that liberals are in league with America's #1 enemy:Bears

Afternoon_Delight: eqtworld: What is and is not liberal does change.


You've got that right...



Word to the mothership.

Well, Afternoon_Delight you did such a good job responding to my post.

Nah, I'm just kidding, you completely ignored my points, made a strawman and then beat it down on the logical fallacies that you gave it. You cannot respond to my points because it would destroy your world view. It worries me that people will think you made a good point.

eqtworld: I'll spell this out like I am talking to a 5 year old:

That's generous. Fark is really the inverse crucible. You end up with all the dross staying right here. I can't even remember when a thread like this didn't leave me gobsmacked at the stupidity. If I spent any longer than a few minutes in the political threads I'd come away convinced 2+2 being 5. GaryPDX is a farking marvel to me. He comes away with his axiom being Everyone is doomed to repeat the past so fark it. What a farking Einstein.

eqtworld:

Noam? is that you?


I just assumed this was a Howard Zinn thread. Looks like we're both wrong: it's an Afternoon Delight thread. Pity that...

Yes, all of that bad stuff happened in the past. It's not like America currently supports brutal dictators or sponsors terrorism.

[Uzbekistan, PKK, MEK, Jundullah]

Interesting map with a mixture of truth, lies, and propaganda to really confuse the uninformed. Definitely a far-left leaning website.

Good thing I'm an informed liberal. You right-wing, Bushass-kissing Republicans would probably think I embraced this kind of crap.

/Ignore Afternoon_Delight.
//It's a troll that has outlived its brief existence on Fark.

Afghanistan borders the Indian Ocean?

This whole thing in a leftist view of the world and should never have 'History' on their page.
Bull malarkey.

AirForceVet: /Ignore Afternoon_Delight.
//It's a troll that has outlived its brief existence on Fark.

Are you kidding? Tommy has the best job in the world. He just gets to shill all day about how libruls suck and hate. When he gets banned he just makes an increasingly gayer (NTTAWWT) alt.

I wish someone would pay me to do what he does. I would be 1,000 more effective than he would. So if you're reading this, tgot's supervisor, my gmail's in profile. Contact me!

Jon Snow: Yes, all of that bad stuff happened in the past. It's not like America currently supports brutal dictators or sponsors terrorism.

[Uzbekistan, PKK, MEK, Jundullah]

have you an ounce of understanding of geopolitical strategy you would know that forming "alliances" with enemies of your enemy is very good strategery. how quickly you forget US & Stalin, US & Saddam...hell, its a big reason why we won our independence from those filthy brits. I'm sure the french regret it to this day.

Jon Snow: So if you're reading this, tgot's supervisor

That ain't tgot.

Donald_McRonald: Jon Snow: So if you're reading this, tgot's supervisor

That ain't tgot.

No? He responds to it.

I blame america, specifically the american people who continually elect incompetant and foul-intentioned leaders who implement mutually harmful policies with fists of ham.

Jon Snow: Donald_McRonald: Jon Snow: So if you're reading this, tgot's supervisor

That ain't tgot.

No? He responds to it.

He's tgot, he's Hellbent_for_Leather too.

HellbentForLeather, Mighty_Dog, and Afternoon_Delight.

Afternoon_Delight: You mean you're not getting paid to be here 24/7?

It's Friday night at 11:30PM. Most of my friends are out of town and my girlfriend isn't going to be home for another hour. I could go and drink at a bar and drink and listen to idiots defend state-sponsored terrorism and support for dictators, but it's cheaper and funnier just to stay in tonight and watch you do it.

By the way, while you're busy championing "America", our foreign policy, and our fight against terrorism- what exactly are you doing for our troops? I'd mentioned in another thread that I am collecting donations of books, CDs, console games, DVDs, etc. to donate to Walter Reed the next time I visit. I'll even send you prepaid shipping material if you'd like to actually help out beyond fellating the Republican party. Gmail me if you're interested. Maybe you can cough up a few of your "hard-earned" bucks for someone that actually walks what you talk.

Afternoon_Delight:

Careful stud or your e-cleenis may grow to nibbleable proportions.

tomWright: North Korea is described as "progressive forces"

Viet Nam is described as an attempted de-colonization from the French, with the later Communist genocide blamed on the U.S.

Rwanda is blamed on the U.S. as a sin of omission, claiming the U.S. blocked action

"Che Guevera is captured by CIA and U.S.-trained Bolivian Rangers on October 8 and executed the next day"
No mention that he was a paid executioner for Castro and was captured invading, and inciting armed rebellion against, a sovereign democratic nation.

Claims that in 2002 a US-backed coup failed against Chavez in Venezuela. First I have heard that it was US backed from anyone but Chavez.


Whatever truth is listed in this abortion of a site, such as the annexation of Hawaii or the massacres at Wounded Knee, etc, it is discredited by the ignorant, pro-totalitarian, crap mixed in with it.

This

/and slashies
//First time. Am I doing it right?

GaryPDX: The victors write history. Besides, back then seemed like the right profitable thing to do. Hindsight makes it ugly. What we needs is a new stealth weapon, 20/20 foresight. We'd be golden.

FTFY

014789: have you an ounce of understanding of geopolitical strategy you would know that forming "alliances" with enemies of your enemy is very good strategery. how quickly you forget US & Stalin, US & Saddam...hell, its a big reason why we won our independence from those filthy brits. I'm sure the french regret it to this day.

Subtle. Well-played.

Farkers Afternoon_delight is undercover ghey (well at least that's the vibe I got off him),he lives in New Jersey not Vegas, he's about 19 and white, he emailed (my email addy is in my profile) me once trying to strike up some "friendly" conversation

//I got all this by putting in his email addy in to myspace search