HAHAHA! Classic pwnage.

...although I suppose it's no more hypocritical than decrying communism while wearing/owning anything made in China. I wish our press was that confrontational.

mediaho: ...although I suppose it's no more hypocritical than decrying communism while wearing/owning anything made in China. I wish our press was that confrontational.

In was going to come in here to post "bbbbut Bush" just to save everyone the trouble. Its unbelievable the speed of the moral equivalence goons.

filth: In was going to come in here to post "bbbbut Bush" just to save everyone the trouble. Its unbelievable the speed of the moral equivalence goons.

It was actually more of b-b-but Clinton, actually.

Umm....that's a bit of a stretch. Are these the same "reporters" who almost succeeded in getting a Democratically elected government overthrown?

Meh. Probably knock-offs.

But in a socialist Venezuela everyone will wear Gucci shoes & Louis Vuitton ties.

Maybe they were gifts?

Maybe they were actually "the people's" necktie and "the people's" shoes and the official was just wearing them before giving them to someone else?

Maybe the Venezuelans are confusing Capitalism with greed - which is very easy to do.

Nabb1: Meh. Probably knock-offs.

BobtheFascist: But in a socialist Venezuela everyone will wear Gucci shoes & Louis Vuitton ties.

You mean Guccii and Louis Vuiiton ties. Remember when in a commie country never buy ANYTHING dated the last week of the month. They are nothing but rush jobs so the workers will make the quote.

Just some helpful tips for when Hillary takes over

/yeah, i when there
//and yes i have the shirt

Louis Vuitton, made in France.
Gucci, made in Italy.

Suddenly, both countries become a beacon of capitalism, when they're not abeing scolded for their socialist health care.

Amerikkka, land of the self-righteous, holier-than-thou, and above all, world leader in hypocritical stupidity.

nictamer:
This thread is about Venezuela. You must be Venezualan.

With oil prices going through the roof, the middle class in oil-rich Venezuela have a dilemma: Should they enjoy the fruits of capitalism, or follow the lead of Hugo Chavez and embrace the austerity of hard-line socialism?

I stopped reading when I realized the author doesn't know the difference between a political system and an economic one.

nictamer: Louis Vuitton, made in France.
Gucci, made in Italy.

Suddenly, both countries become a beacon of capitalism, when they're not abeing scolded for their socialist health care.

Amerikkka, land of the self-righteous, holier-than-thou, and above all, world leader in hypocritical stupidity.

My brain cells are crying out in agony right now. I think I can hear them praying for death.

nictamer: Louis Vuitton, made in France.
Gucci, made in Italy.

Suddenly, both countries become a beacon of capitalism, when they're not abeing scolded for their socialist health care.

Amerikkka, land of the self-righteous, holier-than-thou, and above all, world leader in hypocritical stupidity.

I don't know about the rest of you, but when I think of socialist ideals, premium leather goods and status symbol handbags immediately come to mind.

Leftists must learn that capitalism is not colonialism.

If you make it difficult for investors to get their investments back out, people will not invest in your economic system, and it will make the cost of local money more expensive.

/duh

Did his tie have little pictures of the murderer Che Guava on it?


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Lord_Baull: I stopped reading when I realized the author doesn't know the difference between a political system and an economic one.

Yes technically you are right. But try to have a capitalist system with an socialist economic or vise versa. One will follow the other.

Paging Mr. Orwell. Napoleon is on the phone, calling from Venezuela.

/Some animals are more equal than others down south.

China isn't a communist country.

/economic liberalization FTW

Lord_Baull:

I stopped reading when I realized the author doesn't know the difference between a political system and an economic one.

Socialism

An economic system in which the production and distribution of goods are controlled substantially by the government rather than by private enterprise, and in which cooperation rather than competition guides economic activity.

communism

An economic and social system envisioned by the nineteenth-century German scholar Karl Marx. In theory, under communism, all means of production are owned in common, rather than by individual organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party.

Hey ruling elite deserve the nice ties, shoes and big fancy mansions as long as they let enough common folk know it'd wrong for them to.

Venezuelan Interior Minister: Capitalism is bad. Reporter: Uh, dude, you're wearing Gucci shoes and a Louis Vuitton tie

Subby forgot: "Secret Police: You have committed a thought crime against the government and must be reeducated"

Little did the reporter know everyone in Venezuela wears Gucci shoes and Louis Vuitton ties. He was sick the day they passed them out i guess

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filth and mediaho,

Did you guys really miss the point by that much? The issue here isn't that the clothes he was wearing were made in a capitalist society, the point is that he paid a lot of money to purchase a label! that is the epitome of capitalism! He could have easily purchased a no name pair of shoes and tie that would have looked just as good, but he didn't. His attempted cover-up is even more shameful, saying that if he could buy it in Venezuela he would ... you're trying to tell me that they don't make shoes and ties there?

Also it isn't a show of support for communism to purchase something made in China, it is a show of support to capitalism because you can buy whatever the fark you want (if you live in the US, and it isn't from an embargoed country - am I arguing against myself now?).

Socialism and capitalism are not mutually exclusive. In fact they work wonderfully well together. Germany is both socialist and capitalist. The latter makes the former possible, and comfortable for everyone. Not just the people at the top.

All nations have some degree of socialism. Roads, schools... anything that a company isn't doing for you and you aren't doing yourself are *social* programs (social + ism = ???). Some countries do more for their people than others. Some take it too far and we call that communism.

Redmid's post is misleadingly leaving out the whole picture.

Lord_Baull: With oil prices going through the roof, the middle class in oil-rich Venezuela have a dilemma: Should they enjoy the fruits of capitalism, or follow the lead of Hugo Chavez and embrace the austerity of hard-line socialism?

I stopped reading when I realized the author doesn't know the difference between a political system and an economic one.

No shiat. Chavez is a goon, but he is no more of a goon than the US goon.

bigmatty87: Also it isn't a show of support for communism to purchase something made in China, it is a show of support to capitalism because you can buy whatever the fark you want (if you live in the US, and it isn't from an embargoed country - am I arguing against myself now?).

I assume the second paragraph was for me and not the first. Maybe it would have been better to say "...it's no more hypocritical than decrying oppressive authoritarianism while wearing/owning anything made in China."

The socialist countries of Europe will be in an even bigger mess with their underfunded retirement programs than the U.S.

When these old timers retire, and with high taxes and no replacement workers, other than sub-saharans and gypses, the Euro currency will be in for an even greater shock then U.S. dollar.

7of7:
Umm....that's a bit of a stretch. Are these the same "reporters" who almost succeeded in getting a Democratically elected government overthrown?

It's not a legitimate election unless they elect OUR guy, silly.

bigmatty87:
The issue here isn't that the clothes he was wearing were made in a capitalist society, the point is that he paid a lot of money to purchase a label! that is the epitome of capitalism! He could have easily purchased a no name pair of shoes and tie that would have looked just as good, but he didn't.

THIS THIS THIS. Hypocrisy is not a socialist politician, who has to hobnob with other world leaders, dressing decently. Hypocrisy is that socialist politician dressing for costly vanity when their citizens are enduring a poor economy. He should have been wearing a pair of good-quality shoes made in Venezuela.

mediaho: ...although I suppose it's no more hypocritical than decrying communism while wearing/owning anything made in China. I wish our press was that confrontational.

Actually... buying products from China is capitalism. China makes grand claims of being communist, but they aren't. They're a totalitarian state, and have abandoned quite a bit of communism in regards to the international economy.

bigmatty87: filth and mediaho,

Did you guys really miss the point by that much? The issue here isn't that the clothes he was wearing were made in a capitalist society, the point is that he paid a lot of money to purchase a label! that is the epitome of capitalism! He could have easily purchased a no name pair of shoes and tie that would have looked just as good, but he didn't. His attempted cover-up is even more shameful, saying that if he could buy it in Venezuela he would ... you're trying to tell me that they don't make shoes and ties there?

Also it isn't a show of support for communism to purchase something made in China, it is a show of support to capitalism because you can buy whatever the fark you want (if you live in the US, and it isn't from an embargoed country - am I arguing against myself now?).

You need to turn your literalism knob down to about 3 and increase the gain on your satire antenna.

Shvetz: mediaho: ...although I suppose it's no more hypocritical than decrying communism while wearing/owning anything made in China. I wish our press was that confrontational.

Actually... buying products from China is capitalism. China makes grand claims of being communist, but they aren't. They're a totalitarian state, and have abandoned quite a bit of communism in regards to the international economy.

That's right, Submitter.

People under OTHER economic systems just wear fig leaves.

Shvetz: Actually... buying products from China is capitalism. China makes grand claims of being communist, but they aren't. They're a totalitarian state, and have abandoned quite a bit of communism in regards to the international economy.

Well, that then leads me to wonder - exactly what is it about Communism that (as a child in the 70s and 80s) was so vilified? I was under the impression that it was an economic system that discouraged innovation and hard work by removing the incentive to do better. I can't say that I completely understand China's economic system now (does anyone?!) but for the average Chinese citizen, is that not the case any more? No government handouts, work for your bread?

That reporter rocks. Of course, he now has the life span of a gnat. But he still rocks.

LewDux: *Tiananmen Square*

I'm not sure what Tiananmen Square has to do with communism or capitalism.

mediaho: LewDux: *Tiananmen Square*

I'm not sure what Tiananmen Square has to do with communism or capitalism.

'Cause you're a twat.

mediaho:
... exactly what is it about Communism that (as a child in the 70s and 80s) was so vilified? I was under the impression that it was an economic system that discouraged innovation and hard work by removing the incentive to do better.

I expect what was vilified was its aggressive, imperialistic, nuclear-armed stance in the world. Whether or not "imperialistic aggression is counter to Party doctrine" (quote I remember from a "GI Joe: Special Missions" comic believe it or not) was irrelevant - Party doctrine served imperialistic expansion at that point.

Of course, behind the scenes, what was disliked was Communism's challenge to corporate power in the Third World, since Soviet advisors generally paid lip service to local ideas about "self-determination" and "anti-colonialism".

that is some serious pwn. making fun of communists is so much fun.

mediaho: I wish our press was that confrontational.

QFT.

When you get caught trying to buy the election in Argentina with bagfuls of money, you want to look your best.

mediaho
In theory communism is good because everything belong to the people and people run everything. In practice everything belongs to Party. Party runs over everyone who disagree with tanks or kill them in other ways

Get your shiat together.

mediaho

Are you serious? Communism is responsible for more torture and death than any other philosophy in the history of Earth. Even, in the off chance, that the aparatchiks are benevolent, the rampaging starvation and environmental damage results in a horror show. Sparta, one of the earliest communist states, had probably the best record, and they kept 90% of the population enslaved and the remaining 10% in a communal nightmare.

Of course, that's large-scale communism. Small-scale, such as in clans and small religious groups (such as the Shakers and early Xians), it can be quite successful.

No Such Agency: Of course, behind the scenes, what was disliked was Communism's challenge to corporate power in the Third World, since Soviet advisors generally paid lip service to local ideas about "self-determination" and "anti-colonialism".

They had their way of getting naval and air bases and we had ours.

Wow. I'm not defending communism by any stretch. I think some people are confusing communism with totalitarianism and capitalism with representative democracy.

I just have a hard time understanding the people who defend China's system and decry our Democratic representatives as "communists."

But again, I can't say I really understand China's economic system since Clinton opened up trade with them.