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(Guardian.com) Unlikely Ron Paul pays to bring critics of Mike Huckabee to Iowa because the signals beamed into his head from the planet Wackjob told him this would be an effective campaign strategy   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 158
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GaryPDX [TotalFark] 2007-12-13 08:56:32 PM  
Planet Wackjob?

 
Capitalist1 [TotalFark] 2007-12-13 08:57:45 PM  
So, Smitty, are you a paid troll for Huckabee or one of his sibling/cousins?

 
SkorzenyNinja 2007-12-13 09:15:41 PM  
Alright everyone, calm down. Can't we just agree that both Huckabee and Paul are crazy?

 
Capitalist1 [TotalFark] 2007-12-13 09:21:28 PM  
SkorzenyNinja:

No.

 
MisterTweak 2007-12-13 09:21:45 PM  
SkorzenyNinja: Alright everyone, calm down. Can't we just agree that both Huckabee and Paul are crazy?

"So a sociopath and a psychpath went to a bar..."

 
Guy Innagorillasuit [TotalFark] 2007-12-13 11:11:54 PM  
The more I learn about Huckabee, the more I think that he's the craziest Republican in the race.

 
Churchill2004 [TotalFark] 2007-12-13 11:14:25 PM  
Smitty: Ron Paul pays to bring critics of Mike Huckabee to Arkansas

TFA: Paul Brings Huckabee Critics to Iowa

www.lafferty.ca

 
Nemo's Brother 2007-12-14 12:21:37 AM  
Sounds like a Clinton move.

 
Shaggy_C 2007-12-14 12:24:58 AM  
Wow, Ron Paul is a jerk, too?

 
HowlingFrog [TotalFark] 2007-12-14 12:26:19 AM  
Who would Thomas Jefferson vote for?

 
GoDawgs! [TotalFark] 2007-12-14 12:28:58 AM  
HowlingFrog: Who would Thomas Jefferson vote for?

The candidate with the most braaaaaaaaains?

 
Jon Snow [TotalFark] 2007-12-14 12:31:04 AM  
HowlingFrog: Who would Thomas Jefferson vote for?

Kucinich.

 
deevo 2007-12-14 12:32:06 AM  
The difference is, Ron Paul is the only candidate who did not import his critics on a private jet.

 
Whatsleft 2007-12-14 12:33:00 AM  
I'd rather know who James Madison would vote for personally.

 
Paedophile_Deluxe 2007-12-14 12:34:46 AM  
OMG TEH ADMINS ARE BIASED JUST LIKE THE MSM!!

 
Churchill2004 [TotalFark] 2007-12-14 12:38:52 AM  
Shaggy_C: Wow, Ron Paul is a jerk, too?

Nothing particularly jerkish about pointing out actual, legitimate contradictions in an opponent's rhetoric and their past actions.

Paedophile_Deluxe: OMG TEH ADMINS ARE BIASED JUST LIKE THE MSM!!

I love it when the anti-Paul whiners mock something that only happened in their head. For example, all the crap about "spam" when there's maybe a dozen Ron Paul headlines submitted per day, which are just about evenly split positive-negative.

 
captainktainer 2007-12-14 12:39:29 AM  
Shaggy_C: Wow, Ron Paul is a jerk, too?

You mean the guy whose campaign is based on vandalizing public and private property and annoying the shiat out of everyone is a jerk? NOOOOOOOOO. Say it isn't so!

He can't actually build support in Iowa based on his record, or his stunning legislative successes, or his principled stand against government waste in the shrimp industry, or his respect for the 1st, 9th, and 14th Amendments and an independent judiciary, so he has to bring in paid shills (who won't even support him) to attack the other guy.

 
rppp01a 2007-12-14 12:41:36 AM  
Ron Paul

 
Fart_Machine 2007-12-14 12:41:40 AM  
Did he fly them in on his blimp?

 
Arjibuh 2007-12-14 12:41:53 AM  
Ron Paul is the shiniest terd in the toilet.

 
Blacklight 2007-12-14 12:44:05 AM  
I have to admit that the admins have been laming it up lately. I do believe there has been a "Ron Paul is crazy" post each day for the past week.

I declare, as I always do: Those who think Ron Paul is "crazy" are either intellectually lazy or stupid.

It's ok to disagree with him on issues, but calling him crazy just means you repeat what you hear from others.

 
Shaggy_C 2007-12-14 12:45:20 AM  
Churchill2004: Nothing particularly jerkish about pointing out actual, legitimate contradictions in an opponent's rhetoric and their past actions.

It's fine if you do it yourself, but it's something completely different to fly in shills. Seriously, you'd think nothing of it if Giuliani paid to fly in some of the shrimpers?

 
Aeonic_Blue 2007-12-14 12:46:40 AM  
Blacklight: I have to admit that the admins have been laming it up lately. I do believe there has been a "Ron Paul is crazy" post each day for the past week.

I declare, as I always do: Those who think Ron Paul is "crazy" are either intellectually lazy or stupid.

It's ok to disagree with him on issues, but calling him crazy just means you repeat what you hear from others.


Crazy-ass people are always the most certain of their sanity.

Nutjob.

 
Blacklight 2007-12-14 12:47:53 AM  
Shaggy_C: Churchill2004: Nothing particularly jerkish about pointing out actual, legitimate contradictions in an opponent's rhetoric and their past actions.

It's fine if you do it yourself, but it's something completely different to fly in shills. Seriously, you'd think nothing of it if Giuliani paid to fly in some of the shrimpers?


If the worst someone has on Paul is his "shrimp earmarks" for his district, that he voted against, I'd be fine with that.

I'd dislike Giuliani for just about anything he'd do. For any reason.

 
brandoj 2007-12-14 12:49:06 AM  
Huckabee's record on immigration and taxes != his talk on immigration and taxes.

 
captainktainer 2007-12-14 12:49:30 AM  
Blacklight: I have to admit that the admins have been laming it up lately. I do believe there has been a "Ron Paul is crazy" post each day for the past week.

I declare, as I always do: Those who think Ron Paul is "crazy" are either intellectually lazy or stupid.

It's ok to disagree with him on issues, but calling him crazy just means you repeat what you hear from others.


A guy who is willing to rant about conspiracies - even a "conspiracy of ideas" - involving the Trilateral Commission as well as the North American Union (new window) in front of cameras, while trying to be taken as a serious candidate, is certifiably crazy. Sorry. Feel free to continue making your declarations in every Ron Paul thread, but people can come to the conclusion that he's crazy by looking at what he's said, and tried to do, over his political career.

 
Shaggy_C 2007-12-14 12:51:47 AM  
Blacklight: If the worst someone has on Paul is his "shrimp earmarks" for his district, that he voted against, I'd be fine with that.

I'd dislike Giuliani for just about anything he'd do. For any reason.


Actually, it's worse than that; these people aren't experts or even associated with Huckabee at all. They're just anti-Huckabee Republicans from the Huckster's home state. What if Tom Delay were flown in to talk about how Ron Paul isn't really a Republican?

 
Prospero424 [TotalFark] 2007-12-14 12:52:31 AM  
Shaggy_C: It's fine if you do it yourself, but it's something completely different to fly in shills. Seriously, you'd think nothing of it if Giuliani paid to fly in some of the shrimpers?

It was my understanding that every candidate with enough money did this kind of thing: fly in particularly energetic supporters to be the campaign "shock troops" in specific battlegrounds close to elections or nominations; the more credible, the better.

Yeah, it's kinda scummy in certain contexts, but this really isn't the first time it's been done, and it certainly won't be the last even for this particular primary.

 
Blacklight 2007-12-14 12:54:25 AM  
Aeonic_Blue: Blacklight: I have to admit that the admins have been laming it up lately. I do believe there has been a "Ron Paul is crazy" post each day for the past week.

I declare, as I always do: Those who think Ron Paul is "crazy" are either intellectually lazy or stupid.

It's ok to disagree with him on issues, but calling him crazy just means you repeat what you hear from others.

Crazy-ass people are always the most certain of their sanity.

Nutjob.


Please lay out your case for Paul being "nutjob". Not issues that you can't wrap your brain around, not things that you disagree with, but those that illustrate that he is off his rocker, even a little will do. Please do not bring up economics if you do not know who Keynes, Mises, or Hayek are.

 
Prospero424 [TotalFark] 2007-12-14 12:55:06 AM  
Shaggy_C: What if Tom Delay were flown in to talk about how Ron Paul isn't really a Republican?

Or, say, a Republican campaigning for President found a bunch of very Republican, anti-Democratic activists who happened to have served on the same kind of boat in a previous conflict...

Nah, that's just silly ;)

 
I Said [TotalFark] 2007-12-14 12:55:10 AM  
What is wrong with this tactic? Both of the people who he is paying to come in held public office, so it's not like these are random critics.

Also, every candidate does this. They bring in supporters and pay critics of their rivals to speak up.

I really don't understand how this makes news, but if it gets the guy more publicity, good.

 
iawai 2007-12-14 12:56:44 AM  
captainktainer: Shaggy_C: Wow, Ron Paul is a jerk, too?

You mean the guy whose campaign is based on vandalizing public and private property and annoying the shiat out of everyone is a jerk? NOOOOOOOOO. Say it isn't so!

He can't actually build support in Iowa based on his record, or his stunning legislative successes, or his principled stand against government waste in the shrimp industry, or his respect for the 1st, 9th, and 14th Amendments and an independent judiciary, so he has to bring in paid shills (who won't even support him) to attack the other guy.


Who pays you?

His campaign is in no way liable for illegally placed signs. And that doesn't reflect on the candidate.

He has support in Iowa, and he is bringing in an effective counter to Huckabee.

 
Churchill2004 [TotalFark] 2007-12-14 12:57:14 AM  
Shaggy_C: Churchill2004: Nothing particularly jerkish about pointing out actual, legitimate contradictions in an opponent's rhetoric and their past actions.

It's fine if you do it yourself, but it's something completely different to fly in shills. Seriously, you'd think nothing of it if Giuliani paid to fly in some of the shrimpers?


It's not like Paul just pulled these people out of thin air- they've been speaking out against Huckabee on their own.

Shaggy_C: Actually, it's worse than that; these people aren't experts or even associated with Huckabee at all. They're just anti-Huckabee Republicans from the Huckster's home state

Eh, kinda sorta. They were both state legislators during Huckabee's administration and have had their own political battles with him. They were two of the people he was addressing when he practically begged for a tax increase from the General Assembly. So it's not like they're just random Arkansas Republicans.

 
Krymore 2007-12-14 12:57:15 AM  
Submitter clearly has no idea what he's talking about if he's calling Ron Paul crazy in a headline containing Mike Huckabee.

 
Shaggy_C 2007-12-14 12:57:38 AM  
Prospero424: It was my understanding that every candidate with enough money did this kind of thing: fly in particularly energetic supporters to be the campaign "shock troops" in specific battlegrounds close to elections or nominations; the more credible, the better.

Yeah, it's kinda scummy in certain contexts, but this really isn't the first time it's been done, and it certainly won't be the last even for this particular primary.


It's one thing to bring in people to provide you support and get your name out (see Oprah or Chuck Norris). It's quite another to bring in attack dogs with the hopes of dashing another candidate's support.

 
Prospero424 [TotalFark] 2007-12-14 12:59:02 AM  
Shaggy_C: It's one thing to bring in people to provide you support and get your name out (see Oprah or Chuck Norris). It's quite another to bring in attack dogs with the hopes of dashing another candidate's support.

Oh, I agree. I'm just saying it's certainly not unusual, not that it's a nice thing to do.

 
Aeonic_Blue 2007-12-14 12:59:17 AM  
Blacklight: Aeonic_Blue: Blacklight: I have to admit that the admins have been laming it up lately. I do believe there has been a "Ron Paul is crazy" post each day for the past week.

I declare, as I always do: Those who think Ron Paul is "crazy" are either intellectually lazy or stupid.

It's ok to disagree with him on issues, but calling him crazy just means you repeat what you hear from others.

Crazy-ass people are always the most certain of their sanity.

Nutjob.

Please lay out your case for Paul being "nutjob". Not issues that you can't wrap your brain around, not things that you disagree with, but those that illustrate that he is off his rocker, even a little will do. Please do not bring up economics if you do not know who Keynes, Mises, or Hayek are.


No no no, I'm afraid you misunderstood. I was calling you a nutjob.

Although, to be fair, Paul is crazier then a shiathouse rat... but seeing as we more likely to see President Carrot Top before we see President Ron Paul, I don't much care.

 
Paedophile_Deluxe 2007-12-14 12:59:53 AM  
Churchill2004: I love it when the anti-Paul whiners mock something that only happened in their head. For example, all the crap about "spam" when there's maybe a dozen Ron Paul headlines submitted per day, which are just about evenly split positive-negative.

Um, in pretty much any thread with a headline that makes fun of RP, some variation of what I posted shows up.

 
Shaggy_C 2007-12-14 01:00:11 AM  
Prospero424: Oh, I agree. I'm just saying it's certainly not unusual, not that it's a nice thing to do.

Alright well then I stand by my original comment.

What a jerk!

 
I Said [TotalFark] 2007-12-14 01:00:48 AM  
Shaggy_C: It's one thing to bring in people to provide you support and get your name out (see Oprah or Chuck Norris). It's quite another to bring in attack dogs with the hopes of dashing another candidate's support.

Chuck Norris was brought in to intimidate others, and that's ok!?

 
Churchill2004 [TotalFark] 2007-12-14 01:00:53 AM  
Shaggy_C: It's quite another to bring in attack dogs with the hopes of dashing another candidate's support.

Why?

I don't really understand how "negativity" is bad thing in campaigns. If it strays into dishonesty, that's one thing, but the whole point of a campaign is to show how you're better than the other guys running. Part of that is pointing out your own record, and part of it is attacking your opponents'. I'd rather have the attacks against other candidates be made out in the open rather than in whisper campaigns and selected "leaks" or "suggestions" to friendly reporters, a la Hillary.

 
Churchill2004 [TotalFark] 2007-12-14 01:02:19 AM  
Paedophile_Deluxe:

Um, in pretty much any thread with a headline that makes fun of RP, some variation of what I posted shows up.


Yeah, when you posted it.

 
Blacklight 2007-12-14 01:02:44 AM  
captainktainer: Blacklight: I have to admit that the admins have been laming it up lately. I do believe there has been a "Ron Paul is crazy" post each day for the past week.

I declare, as I always do: Those who think Ron Paul is "crazy" are either intellectually lazy or stupid.

It's ok to disagree with him on issues, but calling him crazy just means you repeat what you hear from others.

A guy who is willing to rant about conspiracies - even a "conspiracy of ideas" - involving the Trilateral Commission as well as the North American Union (new window) in front of cameras, while trying to be taken as a serious candidate, is certifiably crazy. Sorry. Feel free to continue making your declarations in every Ron Paul thread, but people can come to the conclusion that he's crazy by looking at what he's said, and tried to do, over his political career.


Did you just quote the CNN debate as proof of "crazy"? Do you accept CNN as a source we can quote now?

How about Lou Dobbs?

You might also want to check with This guy (new window)

And whatever you do, don't check out anything on the SPP

Or any news on the Amero

I could literally go on for a while here. What did I say about lazy?

 
Fart_Machine 2007-12-14 01:02:45 AM  
I Said: Shaggy_C: It's one thing to bring in people to provide you support and get your name out (see Oprah or Chuck Norris). It's quite another to bring in attack dogs with the hopes of dashing another candidate's support.

Chuck Norris was brought in to intimidate others, and that's ok!?


Are you farking kidding me?

 
Shaggy_C 2007-12-14 01:03:38 AM  
Churchill2004: I don't really understand how "negativity" is bad thing in campaigns.

www.politicsonline.com
Agrees whole-heartedly.

 
Blacklight 2007-12-14 01:03:39 AM  
Aeonic_Blue:
No no no, I'm afraid you misunderstood. I was calling you a nutjob.

Although, to be fair, Paul is crazier then a shiathouse rat... but seeing as we more likely to see President Carrot Top before we see President Ron Paul, I don't much care.


Ah, so you're just stupid. At least that's cleared up then.

 
iawai 2007-12-14 01:03:57 AM  
This thread reminds me of Rolling Stone magazine a couple weeks ago. On the cover: "The GOP's biggest nut-job", and I thought, oh great, more Ron Paul is 'crazy'. I opened to find they were ripping apart Huckabee, and much more to my delight, actually presented a fair picture of Paul in a half-page.

Lesson: Even the Leftiest can read Republican's enough to tell that Huckabee's the crazy one.

 
Fart_Machine 2007-12-14 01:04:31 AM  
Blacklight: captainktainer: Blacklight: I have to admit that the admins have been laming it up lately. I do believe there has been a "Ron Paul is crazy" post each day for the past week.

I declare, as I always do: Those who think Ron Paul is "crazy" are either intellectually lazy or stupid.

It's ok to disagree with him on issues, but calling him crazy just means you repeat what you hear from others.

A guy who is willing to rant about conspiracies - even a "conspiracy of ideas" - involving the Trilateral Commission as well as the North American Union (new window) in front of cameras, while trying to be taken as a serious candidate, is certifiably crazy. Sorry. Feel free to continue making your declarations in every Ron Paul thread, but people can come to the conclusion that he's crazy by looking at what he's said, and tried to do, over his political career.

Did you just quote the CNN debate as proof of "crazy"? Do you accept CNN as a source we can quote now?

How about Lou Dobbs?


Lou Dobbs isn't a very good example either.

 
Aeonic_Blue 2007-12-14 01:05:38 AM  
Blacklight: Aeonic_Blue:
No no no, I'm afraid you misunderstood. I was calling you a nutjob.

Although, to be fair, Paul is crazier then a shiathouse rat... but seeing as we more likely to see President Carrot Top before we see President Ron Paul, I don't much care.

Ah, so you're just stupid. At least that's cleared up then.


People with glass assholes shouldn't shiat stones.

No, you can't have a non-existant libertarian paradise.

Not yours.

 
One F Jef 2007-12-14 01:07:01 AM  
The battlecry of the under represented persecuted closet gay christian republican:

"MSM, RON PAUL, LIBS, LIBS, LIBS!!!!"

 
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