I believe Hillary is the real-world equivalent of Cutthroat biatch. She's just doing this because it wasn't well received.

/House fans will back me up

I apologize for bringing up OBAMA'S DRUG USE. I will no longer mention OBAMA'S DRUG USE. I won't talk about OBAMA USING COCAINE. I will not allow my campaign to mention OBAMA USING MARIJUANA.

My campaign advisor suggesting that OBAMA SOLD DRUGS is just plain wrong. So is his question as to OBAMA'S RECENT DRUG USE.

In fact, if anyone else brings up OBAMA'S DRUG USE, I'll tell them not to talk about OBAMA'S DRUG USE ever again.

COCAINE! I mean thank you.

+1

scottso: I apologize for bringing up OBAMA'S DRUG USE. I will no longer mention OBAMA'S DRUG USE. I won't talk about OBAMA USING COCAINE. I will not allow my campaign to mention OBAMA USING MARIJUANA.

My campaign advisor suggesting that OBAMA SOLD DRUGS is just plain wrong. So is his question as to OBAMA'S RECENT DRUG USE.

In fact, if anyone else brings up OBAMA'S DRUG USE, I'll tell them not to talk about OBAMA'S DRUG USE ever again.

COCAINE! I mean thank you.

Winnar.

Maybe it's just me, but I like folks more when they admit to past youthful indescretions such as this.

I'm not saying I'd vote for Obama over this, but geez -- who didn't do a little pot in their youth?

I bet Hillary shared a bong hit or three with Bill back in the day.

George Washington made whiskey.

Both he and Thomas Jefferson grew marijuana (though they didn't smoke it. It was hemp)

John F. Kennedy was on a variety of prescription drugs.


/and I'm pretty sure Benjamin Harrison was a coke head.

b..buh...but Benjamin Harrison!

submitter: Hillary apologizes to Obama for trying to use his former drug use against him. Bill exhales inhales

FTFY

/puff puff pass
//A dark-skinned man dealing drugs? Perish the thought!

Well ... we all know that Hillary hasn't done any pole smoking or Bill wouldn't have been using the alternative cigar box.

Because as we all know, America does not do drugs since the War on Them did oh so f*cking wonderfully well.

If Hillary were sincere she'd remove Bill Shaheen from her campaign. This was a huge strategic blunder at this point in time. No wonder Bill is getting apopleptic over her campaign.

Just more of the Clinton's politics of personal destruction.

It was a bad strategy to begin with. He's made no secret of this...I mean, honestly, he wrote about it in his own farking book.

Diogenes: If Hillary were sincere she'd remove Bill Shaheen from her campaign. This was a huge strategic blunder at this point in time. No wonder Bill is getting apopleptic over her campaign.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html

he just "resigned"

which is a nice way of saying bill had him come in for a "little chat"

Afternoon_Delight hit the nail on the head yesterday:

This wasn't the Clintons saying this, it was an 'advisor'. I get it now. It couldn't be the Clintons because they're above 'the politics of personal destruction'.

In fact, I'll bet Hillary 'doesn't even know anything it', 'is as surprised as everyone else', 'heard about it through the media' and will ask the advisor 'to resign'...

Good call buddy.

If you are under 60 and claim to have never, ever, smoked marijuana - not even one puff - you are either:
a) Lying
b) A socially inept pariah
c) A Mormon
d) All of the above

loved the headline over at abc news: hillary chair quits over obama coke diss.

damn liberal media!

Shaggy_C: Afternoon_Delight hit the nail on the head yesterday:

This wasn't the Clintons saying this, it was an 'advisor'. I get it now. It couldn't be the Clintons because they're above 'the politics of personal destruction'.

In fact, I'll bet Hillary 'doesn't even know anything it', 'is as surprised as everyone else', 'heard about it through the media' and will ask the advisor 'to resign'...

Good call buddy.

I don't buy that. And not because I think Hillary's above it - quite the opposite actually. She's super calculating and controlling. Bringing up the drug thing at this time, given that Obama's already been completely open about it, will only hurt her (especially in Iowa). She must have been banging her head against the wall when she heard this.

Diogenes: If Hillary were sincere

Well, then she wouldn't really BE Hillary then, would she?

Wasn't there something last month about planting a campaigner in the crowd at a rally to ask a question. Of course Hillary had no idea that was being done either. So am I to understand she doesn't know dick errr..ummm..anything going on with her campaign?

BravadoGT: Diogenes: If Hillary were sincere

Well, then she wouldn't really BE Hillary then, would she?

I hate to admit it, but you got me there.

trippdogg: If you are under 60 and claim to have never, ever, smoked marijuana - not even one puff - you are either:
a) Lying
b) A socially inept pariah
c) A Mormon
d) All of the above

Winner!

vernonFL: /and I'm pretty sure Benjamin Harrison was a coke head.

Silent Cal used to do speed. Wouldn't shut up.

Diogenes: If Hillary were sincere she'd remove Bill Shaheen from her campaign. This was a huge strategic blunder at this point in time. No wonder Bill is getting apopleptic over her campaign.

I don't think Hillary understands what "sincere" means. Which is, of course, her major problem.

Somebody was trying to tell me yesterday how Hillary had a vastly superior organization, filled with wise old vets who really knew what they were doing. Right now they look like a team of rookies trying to hump a doorknob.

mrjared: Somebody was trying to tell me yesterday how Hillary had a vastly superior organization, filled with wise old vets who really knew what they were doing. Right now they look like a team of rookies trying to hump a doorknob.

After the inevitability thing wore off, her organization went completely insane. Obama's old kindergarten essays, Obama was a coke dealer in high school...

Her campaign, basically, has no idea what to do now that Clinton's either tied or behind. They all signed up for the sweet White House positions once Hillary stomped to the nomination and the presidency, and now that it's not a lock, they're clueless.

mrjared: Somebody was trying to tell me yesterday how Hillary had a vastly superior organization, filled with wise old vets who really knew what they were doing. Right now they look like a team of rookies trying to hump a doorknob.

She is without a doubt the worst campaigner in that field.

SusanIvanova: I don't think Hillary understands what "sincere" means. Which is, of course, her major problem.

And her downfall. I used to think she could brute her way to the nomination, but anymore it seems to me the nomination is Obama's to lose. And, I doubt he will.

Femme_Politik: scottso: I apologize for bringing up OBAMA'S DRUG USE. I will no longer mention OBAMA'S DRUG USE. I won't talk about OBAMA USING COCAINE. I will not allow my campaign to mention OBAMA USING MARIJUANA.

My campaign advisor suggesting that OBAMA SOLD DRUGS is just plain wrong. So is his question as to OBAMA'S RECENT DRUG USE.

In fact, if anyone else brings up OBAMA'S DRUG USE, I'll tell them not to talk about OBAMA'S DRUG USE ever again.

COCAINE! I mean thank you.

Winnar.

Maybe it's just me, but I like folks more when they admit to past youthful indescretions such as this.

I'm not saying I'd vote for Obama over this, but geez -- who didn't do a little pot in their youth?

I bet Hillary shared a bong hit or three with Bill back in the day.

I really appreciated George Bush admitting he had a DUI conviction one week before the national election. It might have made a difference in those two Texas gubernatorial elections had he disclosed the conviction, as required by Texas law.

Fredo did a good job of hiding that conviction.

mrjared: Somebody was trying to tell me yesterday how Hillary had a vastly superior organization, filled with wise old vets who really knew what they were doing. Right now they look like a team of rookies trying to hump a doorknob.

I think I can paint an appropriate, Fark-friendly picture to illustrate this phenomena:

Think Planet of the Apes. Hillary's camp is made up of orangutans and gorillas, and their current target (Obama) is a chimp.

All Obama has to do at this point is sit there and be his own likable self, while every other candidate attacks each other or self-destructs. Or both.

Raise your hand if you think Rudy G won't do/say something retarded and shoot himself in the foot between now and November '08.

/go ahead, raise it
//i farking dare you

I've never taken a puff, and I'm not lying. But I do think it should be legal. Different strokes for different folks.

In another article, I read that the aide wanted to imply that people don't know much about Obamma's past and it'd be better for any problems, if they exist, to surface now than in the summer when the GOP swiftboats him (assuming Obamma's the nominee).

While I see his point, if that was the case, it's pretty sad that we automatically assume anyone who runs for President has serious skeletons in his closet.

The Clinton campaign didn't just bring up Obama's drug use, but among the questions they suggested "Republicans" might ask is whether Obama ever sold drugs.

I didn't realize how big of a mistake this was at first, but to insinuate that the only black candidate in the race may have been a drug dealer may cost quite a few votes in the black community. I've read that this has been a big topic of discussion on black community radio stations. I mean, every candidate gets grilled on their past drug use, but I've never heard one asked if he/she was a dealer. It may have been unintentional, but it was a big mistake for the Hillary campaign.

Whatsleft: I've never taken a puff, and I'm not lying. But I do think it should be legal. Different strokes for different folks.

This here's cocaine we're talking about, not weed.

On the issue of HRC's culpability, I think this probably was a case of a campaign worker shooting his mouth off. The really well-financed campaigns (Hillary, Mittens, etc.) have hundreds (in Mitty's case, thousands) of consultants and fixers working for them, and it's inevitable that some of them are going to stray off message.

I say this not because I think Hillary is above negative attacks, but because she has a vested interest in fighting this campaign on the issues (where she has an edge) rather than on personal appeal (where she lags behind Obama and Edwards).

In other words, she has the most to loose from a nasty campaign, so she probably is genuinely pissed at the guy who made these comments. True, she cynically waited to see how they were going to play before making a serious apology, but Obama is just as cynically milking this for all its worth. Remember, the guy didn't accuse Obama of being a child molestor, he just stated (correctly) that the GOP would use Obama's past cocaine use against him. Is that really so outrageous? Or is this just a case of Obama's team playing the game better than Hillary's?

A good question to ask her would be "If you can't control your campaign how can anyone expect you to run the country?"

BravadoGT: (Obama) is a chimp.

That's racist!!!!

damageddude:
While I see his point, if that was the case, it's pretty sad that we automatically assume anyone who runs for President has serious skeletons in his closet.

Most PEOPLE have skeletons in their closet. Have you ever cheated on a test? Ever lied on your resume or in an interview? Ever committed even a minor act of vandalism? Ever downloaded, and masturbated to, something "weird"? Ever taken sex photos with a partner? Ever posted inflammatory crap to an internet message board?

I could go on, with more serious stuff, some legal, some not, that "most people" have done. All of it stuff that political opponents could use against them if they ran for office.

No Such Agency: Ever taken sex photos with a partner? Ever posted inflammatory crap to an internet message board?

No, and fark you for insinuating that.

Dammit I didn't mean to keep that first question in there.

I'd rather vote for someone having admitted his drug use than say he "didn't inhale." What a crock of bull.

well someones got to kiss ass... I smell running mate

Car_Ramrod: BravadoGT: (Obama) is a chimp.

That's racist!!!!

how?

In any case, Gore not running due to being convinced that Hillary was inevitable and he couldn't possibly beat her looks really dumb now.

014789: Car_Ramrod: BravadoGT: (Obama) is a chimp.

That's racist!!!!

how?

See page 23 of Al Sharpton's book, "Race Pimping for Dummies."

"...any analogy linking a black person and a simian creature is racist, regardless of context, and should be loudly declared as such."

robsul82: In any case, Gore not running due to being convinced that Hillary was inevitable and he couldn't possibly beat her looks really dumb now.

Well, a door closes, and a window opens. He's making a pretty good living, flying around the world in private jets and blaming the world's problems on the USA. Today's stop: Bali! Link (new window)

hankhorsey: On the issue of HRC's culpability, I think this probably was a case of a campaign worker shooting his mouth off. The really well-financed campaigns (Hillary, Mittens, etc.) have hundreds (in Mitty's case, thousands) of consultants and fixers working for them, and it's inevitable that some of them are going to stray off message.

Uhhh this wasn't like some volunteer at a phone bank shooting his mouth off. Shaheen was the co-chair of Clinton's national and New Hampshire campaigns. Someone in that position doesn't stray off message; they're the ones that help make the message.

scottso:

Thread over on post number 2 really

/filter?

Femme_Politik
I bet Hillary shared a bong hit or three with Bill back in the day.

The difference is that, if she had, she would never ever *EVER* admit it in public. Some people believe in the truth, some don't.

I'm not voting for anyone that claims to have never dabbled in drug use...

I sick of this pseudo-puritanical b.s. that takes place during these elections.

kingflower: I'm not voting for anyone that claims to have never dabbled in drug use...

I sick of this pseudo-puritanical b.s. that takes place during these elections.

Amen. When are we going to grow up and admit this is a country of drug users? In fact, I'm going to go to my favorite drug den later tonight. It's called a bar. They serve a drug called alcohol. I like it, a lot. Let's see these goddam Puritans running for president come out for alcohol prohibition.

FuriousGeorge945:

Uhhh this wasn't like some volunteer at a phone bank shooting his mouth off. Shaheen was the co-chair of Clinton's national and New Hampshire campaigns. Someone in that position doesn't stray off message; they're the ones that help make the message.

But am I wrong, or is there a co-chair in every state? That's a lot of people to babysit.

Hillary fired him (he "resigned"), she apologized, and she distanced herself from the remarks. He insists (even after stepping down) that the remarks weren't authorized. So sure, it's possible that HRC is Machiavellian enough to have planned this mess, but isn't it at least as possible that she didn't?

Come to think of it, isn't firing the guy actually a little extreme considering he didn't lie, didn't exaggerate, really didn't do anything that campaigns aren't supposed to do except point out his opponent's weaknesses. Let's all remember that Obama really did cocaine, and that really is going to be an issue in the generals, whether it should be or not. I don't condone the remarks, but on the sleaze scale, this is small potatoes. If this is what passes for swiftboating in the Democratic party, they're doing it wrong.