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I'm doing everything I can to support the troops: I have three yellow ribbon magnets on my car.

/Who doesn't support the troops? The people trying to bring them home or those who are extending their tours?

Postal Penguin: Who doesn't support the troops? The people trying to bring them home or those who are extending their tours?

this is the real question.

This guy might've offed himself eventually anyway.

"Suicide Squad.... ATTACK!!"

But according to the VA these suicides are tied to pre-existing conditions and not to 15 month multiple tours and under-armored equipment.

So they got that going for them...which is nice.

The VA is the most farked-up organization I've heard of in a long time.

Nestea Plunge: Bush doesn't care.

helchose: This guy might've offed himself eventually anyway.

Pot, meet kettle. Jerk.

Oh C'mon.

Surely President Farktard has to be wondering why these suicidal soldiers hate America.

helchose: This guy might've offed himself eventually anyway.

Wow...

I mean, it was funny but... wow.

See, if they'd stop recruiting from mental institutions they wouldn't be having this problem. "Normal" people love to be separated from their loved ones for 15 months at a time while killing people and watching their buddies be killed and wondering every minute of every day if your number is up.

So Army, you stop sending the suicidal to war!

/thus ends my sarcasm

yeah McCain, they are telling you that they like whats going on, they want the chance to 'finish' the war (which even White House branch people are now admitting is an endless war).

Bring our Troops home, Congressman Paul.

We're back on top!

USA!
USA!
USA!

USA! USA! USA!

/we're number 1

PirateKing: "Suicide Squad.... ATTACK!!"

"That'll show them!"

Nestea Plunge: Bush doesn't care is probably going to off himself after 2009 because he generally failed as a president and a human being, and the Republicans will probably link him to being a 'brave Army commander' simply because of that fact because these assholes would defend a child molester caught in the act if it would follow their half-assed interests.

Im so glad they decided not to lengthen the time the troops stay at home but extend the time they are on deployment.

U S of the A!1!!11!

kregh99: Surely President Farktard has to be wondering why these suicidal soldiers hate America.

The correct nomenclature is suiciders, dude.


/So sayeth the Great Decider.

You know, there IS a way to win this war but... Nobody really likes to consider it.

The Army continues to improve its suicide-prevention programs, spokesman Paul Boyce said Wednesday.

Apparently not, dickhead.

Could be because they get home and little cocksuckers like you don't even give a shiat?

You can expect the homeless rate, as well as the suicide rate, to go up as the war lingers on and more troops come home with physicial, emotional, and psychological damage that goes undertreated by government and often ignored by civilians. It happend after Vietnam and other wars. It will happen after this one because nobody gives a damn about these guys after they come.

If you're concerned about the mental health of our troops then you might want to stop calling them nazis and thugs, you might want to stop habitually accusing them of rape, murder and mayhem, and you might want to stop saying things like "terrorizing women and children in the dark of night" or "if your uneducated you end up in Iraq" or "air raiding villages" or calling a successful general a liar.

Doubtful, queerbait, go molest some more preschoolers, now, mmm,kay?

Thanks for proving my point!

Nice, chu2dogg. You guys ever think calling this war a lie, calling our troops 'murderers', and clamoring about how we've lost might, just maybe, have some effect upon the way they view themselves? That maybe all the negativity might start to make them question their service, and by extrapolation their entire career choice? Some of these guys wanted to go into the army and come back as heroes. Instead they come back to be spit upon. That'll mess you up.

Shaggy_C: You guys ever think calling this war a lie, calling our troops 'murderers', and clamoring about how we've lost might, just maybe, have some effect upon the way they view themselves?

Uh, I've not heard one person malign the troops or call them murderers. You must have just come from 1969. Welcome. I've got a DVD, erm, I mean a movie about the last 40 years you ought to see.

antidisestablishmentarianism 2007-12-13 01:56:30 PM Postal Penguin: Who doesn't support the troops? The people trying to bring them home or those who are extending their tours? this is the real question?


If you support the troops, you'd bring them home. Unfortunately, even dems won't even do that anymore. So... that leaves almost no one.

randomjsa: If you're concerned about the mental health of our troops then you might want to stop calling them nazis and thugs

Who is doing that?

you might want to stop habitually accusing them of rape, murder and mayhem,

Should rape, murder, and mayhem be ignored when committed by American troops?


you might want to stop saying things like "terrorizing women and children in the dark of night"

Should alternative views, in particular those of citizens that are our troops are interacting with, be considered when suggesting adjustments in troop tactics?


or "if your uneducated you end up in Iraq"


Not what was said -- Not what was implied (I assume you are talking about a quote from John Kerry).

"air raiding villages"

citation needed.

calling a successful general a liar.

citation needed.

Would it not be easier and better to provide missions to our troops that are:
1: lawful.
2: do-able
3: provided with a suitable amount of rest.

citation needed....
citation needed...
citation needed...
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Welcome to the internet. Enjoy your Stay :)

I suspect there will be US soldiers in Iraq for decades. Lack of social programs (veto) will insure enlistment is high.

The state of Kentucky alone probably keeps quotas near par.

Gregory F. Stuart: Hideously Gigantic Smurf: You know, there IS a way to win this war but... Nobody really likes to consider it.

Kill everything and everyone in the entire country?

/Some people have seriously suggested this as our next course of action.

Let me rephrase that...

No one who isn't a full-blown sociopath really likes to consider it.

As long as no rich white people are doing it, that is what is important here...

helchose,

After first reading his comment I thought surely he must be kidding. Certainly suicide and mental health are not something to joke about. No matter how you look at it, that kid was in a horrible situation, with what he viewed as no way out. Have some respect.

Sen. Patty Murray's carpet is a way different shade. Just sayin'

/somber once more

You know who else committed suicide?

If you went into the Military after Vietnam expecting to be thought of seriously as a hero you get a retard sticker.

If you went into the Military but didn't think you'd have to kill people or be in combat, but would get awesome benefits and college money, you get a retard sticker.

If you think the majority of the American populace gives more than 2 shiats about Iraqi vets more than saying thanks for your help and buying ribbon magnets, here's a retard sticker.

If you think we should stay cause of how much money and effort we spent so far, here's a retard sticker.

If you think Iraq had any ties to 9/11, here's a retard sticker.

The Iraq debacle isn't a war it is a sanitized 'conflict.' And will never be a war. It is a farking money grab and our generation is being hosed by the farking baby boomers.

Lots of good men and women are over there for no real reason, taking care of people that increasingly don't want them there doing a job their own country doesn't want them to do for a reason that never existed in the first place. Not to mention they have to play by rules the enemy doesn't, get paid less than the private forces they work alongside and have to stay for longer and longer deployments because of a back door draft policy.

IRAQ is a bullshiat situation. Our troops need to come home now. Period.

That we still have troops there is disgusting especially when New Orleans is still so farked up 2 years later.

We fought all of World War II in less time than the Iraq conflict.

WTF!

Submitter: Army...suicide...Commander-in-chief...

You are a rotten bastard, getting me all excited like that.

They signed up, they should have thought of their mental health before taking the paycheck and bene's. No pity.

This is shiatty, and 99% of the "support the troops" people will not pay attention to this because of the politics. We need to remove the stigma attached to talking to someone about the kinds of problems these people are facing over there.

Phil Moskowitz
They signed up, they should have thought of their mental health before taking the paycheck and bene's. No pity.

So if a cop has to shoot someone in the line of duty, no councilor for them either?

In either case, do you really think it's in the public's interest to have guys with guns and severe unresolved issues to be entrusted with our safety? Which cop do you want pulling you over, the guy who shot somebody and got some help for the mental stress that causes a normal mind, or the guy who didn't?

Phil Moskowitz: They signed up, they should have thought of their mental health before taking the paycheck and bene's. No pity.

You ever have to kill anyone?

I've seen a 6' 200lb. 30 year old man cry because of all the things he had to see.

Whatever happened to human compassion, dickwad?

You mean more people are taking the easy way out? Shame on religion for failing to do it's job and prevent these events from occuring!

Hell, people shoot up everyone and then kill themselves, we don't have any cold blooded killers anymore, just pansies who lack the self management to adjust their impulses.

Of course suicide records will be up, it's the acceptable way to escape from facing your actions/emotions.

Hideously Gigantic Smurf: Gregory F. Stuart: Hideously Gigantic Smurf: You know, there IS a way to win this war but... Nobody really likes to consider it.

Kill everything and everyone in the entire country?

/Some people have seriously suggested this as our next course of action.

Let me rephrase that...

No one who isn't a full-blown sociopath really likes to consider it.

You're assuming there isn't one in charge? Or calling the shots from VP?

I know I usually blame all problems on the Republicans, but is there a way NOT to in this case? Who put the soldiers there? Who kept redefining the reason for it? The Republican majority took place in 2003 and two months later we were in Iraq. To make matters worse, anybody who disobeyed the 'majority' was branded as a traitor and unpatriotic. Most of this came from the troops and family of the troops who have been mostly Republican since the '80s.

Then again, are the troops really defenseless in this? We have a volunteer army and any disagreements that are to be had is usually met with a sidestep argument that always turns into an ad hominem attack. Those who do not obey the military are always against the nation. And now they are effectively stuck: they have ruled the terms of the debate so much that the only ones who can get them out of the mess are the ones who they effectively castrated with their blind nationalistic bullshiat and evasive arguments that always ended with them being superior and more 'masculine.' I'm sorry, but as a left-leaning person with a few ex-military family members (mostly Vietnam), why the fark should I feel sorry? The only thing I know for certain is that if I help and extend myself to get people out of Iraq, we're going straight back to the Republican-dominated nationalistic argument in which all liberals are bad and traitors against this delusional ideal of America that is pro-military and pro-ignorance. The Republicans will simply worm their way back into the hearts of the military and the sacrifices that us liberals, us 'traitors to the great military-industrial machine,' will again get the shaft for all of our work.

This is never truly explained to me. And since we are now being asked to bring back the troops, I still fail to see why exactly we should if we're going to get screwed again. I'm tired of this whole cycle of Republican excess mixed with Democratic solutions that always come back to more excess. The Republicans have made a gold mine out of this cycle and honestly, why should we continue it? Why should I know be offered to open my heartstrings and play the fiddle of 'save the troops' when they put themselves into this only to get kicked in the balls a few years down the line when they oh-so-conveniently forget? Why the fark does the left-wing have to be the biatch over and over again for this pathetic recklessness?

Why should we be their savior when their votes put their leader into power to ruin the country and create their situation? Why don't they start making an organized effort to persuade or reject the authority of their little master now? It's getting quite hard to justify their position now and when I see people coming back in pieces both physically and mentally, why should it be my problem? They volunteered for this, they voted for the man who put them there, where's their farking responsibility? Yeah, they're human beings, but they're ones with a choice and they chose very very poorly and now they're screwed. Using their own logic, they should be left to rot. And honestly, to help them only to get slapped in the face yet again with more Republicanism and faux moral superiority...no, not again.

I'm sorry, but my patience with supporting the troops is gone. I simply no longer care about a subgroup of people who voted Republican now getting the shaft. Hello, welcome to reality circa the '80s up until farking now. The only way the military folks will learn about this is if we have more of this war. No guts, no glory, no pathetic little medals. The militarization of this country needs to stop, and since the people behind this are stupid enough not to realize that war is hell and not glory, then they need the world to correct their view. And if that takes their families coming back in body bags and horribly destroyed due to a pointless war that they helped create by putting their buddy Bush into power, then there's your reality check. And it's their fault, and they can try to revise that history all the fark they want and end up failing.

I'm sorry, but I've just had it. I've had it with all these phony flags on cars and yellow ribbons and I'm tired of the stupid censoring of real discussion. I'm tired of the waste and the nonsense and the application of ignorance in the fact of pure raw facts and figures. This American ignorance has got to stop, and the only thing that people who vote Republican/blindly follow Christianity/just don't farking think outside of their own shallow sphere understand is personal loss. Here it is. Maybe now they can feel the pain of being marginalized like I and a ton of other 'traitorous' Americans have.

It's their fault it's the only way they can understand.