jee, and here I just thought girls were satisfied with a piece of man meat to suck, a wireless network to extend, and data to be backed up, kind like us guys just want a snatch to fark while they sit at home.

weird.

I hope my wife doesn't see this article.

So when men make more money than women it's not fair, but when women make more than men it's not fair?

I coulda been a stay-at-home dad. But then again, I have a pair

Why isn't there a "Duh" tag?

FTFA: "I just didn't want to be giving him spending money."

And for a second I thought we were all equal, regardless of our external or internal organs.

Turns out only women get to steal from their husbands.

I can imagine being a stay-at-home househusband. There's just one condition: no kids. I get to stay at home and play WoW all day while she brings home the bacon.

/Funny how it's acceptable for women to mooch off of their husbands but not the other way around
//One-way "equality" FTL

...lol...GIS...

FTA:"It's not as if these women ever expected their husbands to support them completely-at least a lot of them didn't. It's just that it never occurred to them that they might be the ones doing all the heavy lifting."

Because contrary to all the feminist bullshiat you were taught in the 1970's men and women have unique roles to play in a marriage.

Oh yeah and we don't view sex the same way as you do either.

/Now get me a beer and loose the bra.
//Just kiddin'...I hate beer

I can't wait to come back in the morning after the full-fledged flamewar has broken out. See you then Farkers!!

Ok, so if the woman stays home and raises the kids she's a failure because she doesn't have a job and is submissive to the husband, but if she makes more money and the husband stays home she's a failure because she's not feminine?

Damn that sucks.

FTA: It's just that it never occurred to them that they might be the ones doing all the heavy lifting.

Um, no. Apparently the author has never had to stay home with a baby, keep up with the housework (not even cleaning! just dishes and laundry and cooking and the diaper pail and picking up toys!), and run errands with the baby in tow. That's the heavy lifting.

I stayed home for two months of maternity leave. I'm posting this from work.

/husband wants to be a stay at home dad
//as soon as we have the money, it's on!

I earn less than my wife, for a while there, substantially less. She supported me to go back to university for a year. Three years later, there's only a small imbalance in our earnings.

Money has not been an issue. We split all the bills 50/50, it just means I have less spending money than she does after the bills are settled.

I cook (almost) all the meals, because I like cooking and she doesn't. We share the housework equally.

Marriage is a partnership. You should be willing to support each other. More importantly, the women in this article knew what they were getting into before they got married. If a condition of their marriage was that they shouldn't earn more that their husbands they are
1) Shallow in extremis
2) Chosing husbands with risky career paths. I only skimmed TFA, but composer and photographer are careers in which you have to be both very good and have a modicum of luck to succeed.

impotent, sponging parasites

Hey now, I'm not impotent.

And in other news, researchers recently discovered that outgoing people shouldn't marry lazy deadbeats.

Gee, that does suck (rolls eyes)

This just proves all women (or womyn) will pretty much find a reason to biatch about anything. Even when things are going good.

Women, can't live with 'em, can't shoot 'em.

FTFAFH: "My husband had a very strong identity and was successful in his life," Corcoran explains. Â"Thank God for that. There's no way I can control him. I wouldn't stay married to him if I felt I could. I can readily take my business personality into the home. But he forces me to be a partner rather than the boss. It's what keeps our marriage healthy. He won't give me an inch of satisfaction. He won't acknowledge my superiority."



This marriage is over in 5 years. Lady, I wouldn't marry you either. I'd hit you like tha happy hand of Barney the Dinosaur but that's all that'll ever happen. You want a trophy husband like some men want trophy wives. And when they don't put up the numbers you want, you recycle them.

Maybe you do have 40 points of IQ on him. You're -35 for marrying him and assuming things you pushy biatch. If you wanted an intelligent "man that has a couple" in your life, you should have picked such. Clearly you married too early in the relationship. If you wanted an artist for your lifestyle, you can go buy shiat. You just wanted it/him for cheap.

KidMojo - my husband has that book.

I especially like Emily's tale of woe.

"Mark," she adds, "was the best sex I ever had." But that was long ago. "We fight instead," she says. "We're embroiled in some weird combat. It's like Lysistrata. I tell him, 'Your business is going to have to get better faster.' Until then, I'm withholding."

When Emily comes home, she doesn't always want to be the boss. But she says her husband no longer has the authority to take over. "I want somebody to take that power role away from me," she explains.

I feel bad for Mark. Emily is gonna cheat on him within the year. If you are at the point of using sex as a barganing point, it's time for a divorce.

Sweet!

I can complain about gold-digging men now. Equality *is* on the march.

Welcome to the world of uncompensated work, fellas. You'll like it just as much as your grandma did.

I'd love to stay home and have the wife work. Except that I get paid almost three times as much. How cruel is life.

In NYC, it's harder to be a successful man that a successful woman after a certain point. I'm not sure why, but for people in the same age range women seem to make more than most men. At least that's how it seems in midtown.

Maybe if all we can think of all we can think of is double-bind negatives for both men and women in the situation going both ways, this institution's not working very well? Anyone want to consider that?

DuncanMhor: Chosing husbands with risky career paths. I only skimmed TFA, but composer and photographer are careers in which you have to be both very good and have a modicum of luck to succeed.

It doesn't have to be a "risky" career path as such, it can just be that an industry tanks.

I studied Computer Science in the 1990s. For a while there during the .com boom, it looked like I could be making six figures within a couple of years of graduation. So what happens? I graduate, the Tech Wreck destroys the software industry, several years later many jobs go to India, and now software engineering is far from the glamourous profession that it looked like it would be in the 1990s.

Now I'm lucky that my salary package is even over HALF-WAY to even hitting the six figure mark. Okay, that's not exactly as bad as being a starving artist, but my point is, sometimes solid-looking career paths can turn out not to be as great as they looked when you first took them. A similar sort of thing happened a while ago with Pharmacists, but now they're once again Gods. Some of it's cyclical, some of it historical/structural.

It's entirely possible that many of the men in these situations seemed like they would be far more successful when the women first married them, but then the profession/industry they were in took a downturn, and so they fell behind their wives in their level of success.

/Get your point
//Just like ranting about choosing a career path which crashes just as I graduated into the field

I love how we previously had a 'list or "20 things guys should be able to do" or something (subby a woman?).

Yeah, some of us wear a freaking suit to work, and don't know how to mix concrete, since we do that daily right, just to get us in the mood... Wheres the ladies list of 20 things?

hmm, lets see the 20 list for women:

1. suck cock
2. put out when asked
3. cook
4. clean
5. raise the kids
6. hold a part time job
7. anal
8. dont speak unless spoken too
9. know an Ayinger beer from a Tuchers
10. Dont cover ever inch of the body when walking to the shower
11. know what downey is and what it is used for
12. go stay with your mom during your period week, we dont care
13. learn what a bill is and how to pay it
14. Learn what a credit card is, and then shred them
15. take up no more than 90% of the bathroom with fruit-insensed moisturizers.

Now, I would be surprised if a woman could do ANY 2 of those.

Melgania: I studied Computer Science in the 1990s.

Software developer here. Understand you fully.

It struck me that the women in the article wanted the "angsty artist" type, but only if they're the "wildly successful earn-more-than-I-do angsty artist"

/I've had my cake, and now I'm going to eat it.

Publikwerks: I especially like Emily's tale of woe.

"Mark," she adds, "was the best sex I ever had." But that was long ago. "We fight instead," she says. "We're embroiled in some weird combat. It's like Lysistrata. I tell him, 'Your business is going to have to get better faster.' Until then, I'm withholding."

When Emily comes home, she doesn't always want to be the boss. But she says her husband no longer has the authority to take over. "I want somebody to take that power role away from me," she explains.

I feel bad for Mark. Emily is gonna cheat on him within the year. If you are at the point of using sex as a barganing point, it's time for a divorce.

She's already riding another horse. And probably wants someone else to controll too. She's cunning enough to cover her tracks and keep him in the dark. Poor guy. He's getting taken to the cleaners and he isn't even aware. But us Farkers are, lady. So are the readers of the article. When sex becomes a weapon, it's over.

White. Collar. Trash.

macker 2007-09-13 04:13:36 AM
I love how we previously had a 'list or "20 things guys should be able to do" or something (subby a woman?).

Yeah, some of us wear a freaking suit to work, and don't know how to mix concrete, since we do that daily right, just to get us in the mood... Wheres the ladies list of 20 things?

hmm, lets see the 20 list for women:

1. suck cock
2. put out when asked
3. cook
4. clean
5. raise the kids
6. hold a part time job
7. anal
8. dont speak unless spoken too
9. know an Ayinger beer from a Tuchers
10. Dont cover ever inch of the body when walking to the shower
11. know what downey is and what it is used for
12. go stay with your mom during your period week, we dont care
13. learn what a bill is and how to pay it
14. Learn what a credit card is, and then shred them
15. take up no more than 90% of the bathroom with fruit-insensed moisturizers.

Now, I would be surprised if a woman could do ANY 2 of those.

I'm pretty sure your mom could do 1, 2, and 7. But she apparently had problems with #5.

STFU and GBTW

Hook me up with a NY girl now. I'm a struggling archaeologist/ writer. Plus I can sail, skin a deer, and find water. Extra, I can deal with meth-heads, homeless, and newly freed felons.

I wouldn't mind an extra pay check.

Has NY become more Pussy then Orange County? God forbid they try to live in the Rust Belt.

FTA

"I didn't ask the right questions," she laments. " 'What have you done? Where have you come from, and how much have you made?'

Any woman asks me that, she reveals her personality instantly. I'd leave the table and leave her the bill.

FTA:
When Emily comes home, she doesn't always want to be the boss. But she says her husband no longer has the authority to take over. "I want somebody to take that power role away from me," she explains. "Ultimately, it gets down to pretty basic stuff. It's hard to be the power broker every day and then be the femme fatale. I'm not going to pay the bills-I feel like his mother-and then come home and suck his dick."

Wow, harsh. I'm sure most guys don't refuse to go down on women when they(the guys) are paying the bills.

AlabamaGirl: STFU and GBTW

OYKB

"Mark," she adds, "was the best sex I ever had." But that was long ago. "We fight instead," she says. "We're embroiled in some weird combat. It's like Lysistrata."

Wierd. Her marriage is like a metaphor for Greek disunity?

/220, 221, whatever it takes.

AlabamaGirl - STFU and GBTW

Yes Mistress.

macker

I know a few women that do 1,2 & 7 on your list, the rest not so much

Those women sound like *extremely* bitter man-hating biatches.

The battered husbands in those relationships have two options:
1. Run.
2. Destroy her career and her life, to bring her down a few pegs.

(Hell, do 'em both. First #2 and then #1.)

My money is "our" money. Her money is her money.
This is how it works 99% of the time.

I_Can't_Believe_it's_not_Boutros: "Mark," she adds, "was the best sex I ever had." But that was long ago. "We fight instead," she says. "We're embroiled in some weird combat. It's like Lysistrata."

Wierd. Her marriage is like a metaphor for Greek disunity?



Somehow I don't think withholding sex ever improves anything in a relationship. Lysistrata was supposed to be a comedy, not relationship advice I'm pretty sure.

Divorce the biatch and get a free meal ticket like they've been doing for decades.

Blech, I just had the misfortune of reading the article.

I think the real problem here is measuring your self-worth by your bank statement. That's almost always a f*cked up way to view the world, male or female.

Lots of bitter male asshats in the thread. Things ain't going to improve until both sides grow the fark up.

Women withdraw their primary loyalty from their chosen partners and families and pour the best of their time, energy, smiles, creativity, etc. into the service of an "artificial legal person" known as a corporation . . .

And they call this "liberation."

It's corporate slavery, ladies. It's sinking our democracy, eroding whatever scraps are left of a labor movement, and driving down the value of actual persons to medieval levels.

You're not gonna like the world you're creating. And you won't be able to shop for what we've lost once it's gone.

I'm currently working on my master's degree and traveling Europe while my husband is deployed. When we get back to the States and he's out of the Army, I plan on supporting him for a year or two while he goes to grad school or plays WoW or just sits at home and scratches.

When Emily comes home, she doesn't always want to be the boss. But she says her husband no longer has the authority to take over. "I want somebody to take that power role away from me," she explains. "Ultimately, it gets down to pretty basic stuff. It's hard to be the power broker every day and then be the femme fatale. I'm not going to pay the bills-I feel like his mother-and then come home and suck his dick."

Apparently she hasn't stopped sucking the life out of their marriage....

DuncanMhor - I earn less than my wife, for a while there, substantially less. She supported me to go back to university for a year. Three years later, there's only a small imbalance in our earnings.

Money has not been an issue. We split all the bills 50/50, it just means I have less spending money than she does after the bills are settled.


Then money IS an issue.

You just try that if you're ever making more than she is.

"Sorry honey... My money's my money, your money's your money... I'll let you know how the movie was!"

With women, it generally seems "our money" only exists when it's "your money."

It's the same with pre-nups. Hardly ever hear of a broke-ass chick who doesn't complain about how horribly unromantic pre-nups are and how it's just "planning for the marriage to fail," but give her more than two nickels to rub together and she's the first one on the phone to a lawyer.

Time to to boot 'em out of the workplace, the increased demand will increase men's salaries and put the money back in their hands... where they can better handle that power without turning into some mean-spirited selfish, shrieking harpy.

It's not like they bring all that much into the business world anyway... The ones that aren't histrionic nut-jobs rarely make up for the damage caused by the ones who are.

Bad guys on the job are typically incompetent but innocuous... Bad women in the workplace are typically vicious.

...and apparently in marriage too.

And yes, I AM feeling quite misogynistic at the moment... as my disgust for these horrible coonts wears off (who don't even have the basic decency to be ashamed of their horrendous attitudes and behavior), perhaps that feeling will fade as well... but only time will tell.

biatch! You have been out of the kitchen for two farking minutes and your already talking shiat? Wheres my motherfarking pie?

I_Can't_Believe_it's_not_Boutros: "Mark," she adds, "was the best sex I ever had." But that was long ago. "We fight instead," she says. "We're embroiled in some weird combat. It's like Lysistrata."

Wierd. Her marriage is like a metaphor for Greek disunity?

/220, 221, whatever it takes.

Yeah, I'm callin BS on that one. Lysistrata was about women uniting together and use their biggest power over their men in order to end a war (been a while since i've read it, but I think that's a good one sentence summary).

This broad just married a good lay and the flame died down so they replaced sex with fighting (a common thing to do).

She is bored in the sack and is more than likely cheating on her husband.

with me

A good thing to remember when you get married is you will always fight about sex and money.

And it's never because you have too much of either.

Once Anna sought a divorce-"You know what my lawyer called him? A parasite"-she, like many other women in her position, was in for a shock. Divorce lawyer Harriet Newman Cohen explains, "The law is supposed to be gender-blind. Therefore, when a marriage is breaking up at the insistence of either the breadwinning wife or the supported husband, the lawyer has to apprise the client that when a big-earner wife comes in, the court bends over backward to be gender-neutral, and it is possible the bum is going to be rewarded for sitting on his hands. You do a flip-flop and make believe she is a guy."


Uhm, yeah.....