Well, for that conference it makes sense.

/"Paging Mr. O'Bligatory...."

The fifth year is to teach them what XII means.

I guess that would just confirm that "college" football players aren't really there to go to college. College lasts for four years. Why should they be able to play for five?

its actually pretty rare for someone to finish a "four year degree" in four years. i have no problem with elegability for a fifth year, considering that the average college student takes more than 4 years to complete their degree.

/5 1/2 for me - went full time the whole time, just changed my major once, and transfered schools

raanne: i have no problem with elegability for a fifth year,

Yeah, you could learn to spell in that crucial fifth year.

skankboy: Yeah, you could learn to spell in that crucial fifth year.


ha

i've been out of college for more than that, and i've never learned how to spell

I was going to laugh at the Big 12 university educations too, but their proposal actually makes sense.


It's stupid to have a scholarship limit AND a redshirt rule.

Perhaps colleges should worry about education rather than getting their big lugs to be able to more college football...

Take a look at your school's roster, off the top of my head I'd say that at most schools a minimum of 60% of the players redshirt. Don't think of it as an extra year of eligibility, think of it as an opportunity for kids to play a little early on and get some experience. Now coaches won't have to worry about eligibility when sending a kid into a blowout (on either side) so the kid can get some experience for later on when he is a starter or is really in the rotation at his position. Also, if a player or two above the freshman on the depth chart gets injured late in the season the coach won't have to worry about blowing a year of eligibility on just a game or two. Five years of eligibility, injuries and what have you be damned. Most athletes (non-athletes as well) take five years anyways, all this would do would be to simplify the process.

Plus, Jason White could probably have found a way to stretch it into seventeen seasons which would have been pretty cool.

LordPistachio: College lasts for four years.

Not for everyone. Many, many students are taking more time, often due to working too much to take 15+hrs/semester.

Bluto Blutarsky nods approvingly

/or he's getting ready to pass out

JC

Blues_X

Seconded. Students that finish in four years are statistically the minority.

Dear Big XII:

We're sorry that you slid into irrelevance last year as your best team got beaten by a school that, a dozen years ago, wasn't even a Div I-A school, in a bowl game.

We're also sorry that not only did you lose in the Fiesta Bowl, but you also lost in the Cotton Bowl, the Holiday Bowl, the Sun Bowl, and the Texas Bowl.

We did screw up that call in Oregon, but you showed a lot of class by having your president demand that the game be stricken from the record.

Given all of this, go f*ck yourselves. I'm sure that none of your "student" athletes graduate in four years, but guess what? Everyone else manages to deal with the rules.

By the way, we're also an organization who will refuse to allow people to play football because they happen to be professional skiers who require sponsorships to be able to ski. We don't allow "student" athletes to make money, even if it's about $10 randomly handed to them, while we make millions off of whoring them out.

So, again, go eat a bag of hell. Anyone worth playing for five years would leave early anyway for the draft.

Sincerely,

The NCAA

IAmRight
Where did you get a copy of the NCAA's form letter to anyone who asks for fair treatment of the student athletes?

IAmRight: Anyone worth playing for five years would leave early anyway for the draft.

Experience and chemistry can beat overall better talent. I don't know the numbers off the top of my head but take last year's Wake Forest for example, I remember reading that they had a ton of fifth year seniors on that team. By their standards they had a very good season because of that experience and chemistry.

Take the over.

CrotchBeard: Well, for that conference it makes sense.

Vince Young says suck a nut.


FTA...A top Nebraska official is helping push for the major change.

When the former SWC teams (most notably the University of Texas) came into the conference, UT wanted the NCAA's stricter standards for eligibility. Big 12 North schools like Nebraska and Oklahoma wanted to accept students with lower grades.
This looks like another effort to pad the roster, since their recruiting classes can't keep up with the Longhorns.

So this would free up more money for other sports as they would need less football players... is this a title IX thread yet?

Maud Dib

Vince Young says suck a nut.

Tell him I said he'll have to "wonderlic" someone else.

CrotchBeard: Tell him I said he'll have to "wonderlic" someone else.

I'll take the test of Vince Young leading his team to a college championship over some lame test on a piece of paper.

WoodyHayes: I'll take the test of Vince Young leading his team to a college championship over some lame test on a piece of paper.

CrotchBeard initially insulted the intelligence of the Big XII "student" athletes...So yeah, Vince Young wasn't exactly the best example of a student athlete to come up with.

Have you heard him talk? I'm surprised he was able to read the Wonderlic.

/of course, general studies intelligence doesn't really matter at all in football

Maud Dib

University of Nebraska: NCAA Record 235 Academic All Americans
2nd place Notre Dame, 178

IAmRight

We're sorry that you slid into irrelevance last year as your best team got beaten by a school that, a dozen years ago, wasn't even a Div I-A school, in a bowl game.

Amazing how a conference's best team can go from winning a national championship against an team everyone was calling 'the best ever', and if they have a rebuilding year the next year they are irrelevant.

Especially coming from a Pac-10 team, since the University of Southern Cocksmokers are the only team worth a damn in the Pac-10 year after year - and the Condoms dont even have to play a conference championship.

Vince Young wasn't exactly the best example of a student athlete to come up with.

I work for WoodyHayes, and I'm getting a real kick out of these replies.

/Actually, I really did used to work for Charlie Bauman.

Before I even saw the link name, I knew it was going to be from Nebraska. Anything to keep the damned mythos of their failed football program alive.

Go fark yourself Nebraska.

That having been said, I had the dubious privilege of being a tutor for 'student athletes' at UT..

Yeah, we ought to just call them fundraisers and skip the formality of wasting class space for people with the capacity for rational thought. But then again, the dumb football players bring in the revenue that allows people who want to learn but play sports you and I don't care about to reap some rewards..

lilplatinum: and the Condoms dont even have to play a conference championship.

I'm sorry you kids can't have a round-robin schedule, but since every Pac-10 team plays every other Pac-10 team, a conference championship is pointless.

Amazing how a conference's best team can go from winning a national championship against an team everyone was calling 'the best ever', and if they have a rebuilding year the next year they are irrelevant.

It was a one year wonder thanks to Vince Young. I seem to remember a lot of people calling for Mack Brown to be fired because his teams always underperformed. Then Vince Young saved the day that year and now he's suddenly absolved of all that.

I seem to recall the Pac-10 beating the Big XII in their matchups last year (Oregon State vs Missouri, Cal vs Texas Tech)

Yeah, we ought to just call them fundraisers and skip the formality of wasting class space for people with the capacity for rational thought.

and I still win in the end. most of them are pretty damn dumb.

/not that the Pac-10's are necessarily smarter (but I bet Stanford's are, at least)

CrotchBeard: /Actually, I really did used to work for Charlie Bauman.

Last I heard a few years ago he was living in Ohio of all places.

I'm sorry you kids can't have a round-robin schedule, but since every Pac-10 team plays every other Pac-10 team, a conference championship is pointless.

Its still crap that some conferences have to play an additional game and some don't. But I suppose as far as college football injustices go its pretty small.


It was a one year wonder thanks to Vince Young. I seem to remember a lot of people calling for Mack Brown to be fired because his teams always underperformed. Then Vince Young saved the day that year and now he's suddenly absolved of all that.

More than one year, I seem to remember annoying the pac-10/big-10 rose bowl purists 2 years in a row.

Yes, Vince brought us there, but there was a supporting cast, and I love it when people try to invalidate victories because you have 1 superstar - you still won it.

Most of us in Texas stand by our conviction that Mack is a phenomenal recruiter, and a mediocre coach. Our offensive coordinater blows, and most of the real Texas fans I know have been calling for his head since the Applewhite/Simms debate. The fact that we had a player who could turn broken plays into touchdown made us forget that. But people call for a coaches head anytime a program is underperforming, has nothing to do with being Big XII - see Joe Torre.

I seem to recall the Pac-10 beating the Big XII in their matchups last year (Oregon State vs Missouri, Cal vs Texas Tech)

I never said it wasnt a down year for the Big XII, but you said a slide to irrelevance. For 4 of the past 6 years a big xii team has been in the NC game. I would hardly say a year where we are mediocre means irrelevance, although the sporting world does have a pretty short memory.

For 4 of the past 6 years a big xii team has been in the NC game.

5 of the past 7 I meant..

IAmRight

Have you heard him talk? I'm surprised he was able to read the Wonderlic.

Tell me...How exactly can you be sure he read the Wonderlic. Pretty sure he could have just filled in the bubbles in a pattern and gotten his score.

(Assuming it is multiple guess...)

For 4 of the past 6 years a big xii team has been in the NC game.

Yeah, but come on, in at least one of those years, a Big XII school went to the NC game without deserving it after getting throttled in their Conference Championship game by a team that was later throttled in the Fiesta Bowl by a Pac 10 team that should have been given the right to lose to Miami.

IAmRight: It was a one year wonder thanks to Vince Young.

I'm sure Michigan would beg to differ.

srhp29


Yeah, but come on, in at least one of those years, a Big XII school went to the NC game without deserving it after getting throttled in their Conference Championship game by a team that was later throttled in the Fiesta Bowl by a Pac 10 team that should have been given the right to lose to Miami.

I'm torn between maintaining my point and maintaining my utter despisal of OU.

Goes back to the Conference Championship game and the voters.. As for the team that beat you getting throttled by someone else, that doesn't mean shiat, its not the same matchup.

God, I think that year was the first time I ever rooted for a Pac-10 team. OU sucks.

Anyways, even discounting that, 4 of the past 7. Pac-10 has had, what, 2 of the last 7? Even if we said USC should have gone instead of OU, Big 12 still has placed in there more. And we both have 2 NCs.

lilplatinum

I was not sure from your response that we were talking about the same year as OU had nothing to do with it.

Oregon beat Colorado in the Fiesta Bowl the year Colorado destroyed Nebraska in the CCG. Nebraska did not belong in the NC Game. Only a Nebraska fan could argue they did.

Oregon was far superior to Colorado that year, and yes, they were a much better team than Nebraska as well.

lilplatinum

I forgot entirely about the year OU went instead of SC. Again, the Big XII getting a less deserving team to the title game than the Pac 10. That is two of the five of seven. Flip them around and the Pac 10 has 4 of 7 while the Big XII has 3 of 7.

srhp29

My bad thought you were referring to the USC/OU controversy.

lilplatinum

Not a problem. Like I said, I forgot that the same type of situation came about twice. I think the Oregon scenario was even more of a miscarriage than the SC one though. Of course, I am bias.

Im out, oh well, this year Colt will show IAmRIght about our relevance again.

Or get hurt against a schmuck team with my luck..

Either way, hook'em.

Oops

5 Years? If Greg Oden stayed in school. he could be eligible for social security!

IT'S DIVISION ONE FOOTBALL!!!!

IT'S THE BIG TWELVE!!!

THIS AIN'T INTER-MURALS!

lilplatinum: More than one year, I seem to remember annoying the pac-10/big-10 rose bowl purists 2 years in a row.

well the first time was because Brown lobbied to get voted in ahead of Cal, which had better rankings the whole season. Besides, the Trojans slaughtered the Sooners in the Orange Bowl that year anyway, so our Pac-10 team was missing because they were out winning the national title.

Yes, Vince brought us there, but there was a supporting cast, and I love it when people try to invalidate victories because you have 1 superstar - you still won it.

my comment was that Texas' recent championship was more of a result of happening to hit the lottery with one player, and that finishing where they did last year is a more common occurrence for Mack Brown's Longhorns.

I never said it wasnt a down year for the Big XII, but you said a slide to irrelevance. For 4 of the past 6 years a big xii team has been in the NC game. I would hardly say a year where we are mediocre means irrelevance, although the sporting world does have a pretty short memory.

well, Oklahoma was overrated for years after their one national title...

srhp29: I forgot entirely about the year OU went instead of SC. Again, the Big XII getting a less deserving team to the title game than the Pac 10. That is two of the five of seven. Flip them around and the Pac 10 has 4 of 7 while the Big XII has 3 of 7.

...like this. Sorry everyone discounts all the Pac-10 teams because no one from the East stays up to watch the night games.

lilplatinum: Im out, oh well, this year Colt will show IAmRIght about our relevance again.

It's tough for me because I hate Young, so I want them to succeed without him to prove that he was overrated...but I hate Texas so I want them to fail.

/at least they're better than Oklahoma, although at least Oklahoma wound up on the proper side of the new best college football game of all time
//yes, Young had support, the Texas defense was about a billion times better than the USC defense that year.

WoodyHayes: I'll take the test of Vince Young leading his team to a college championship over some lame test on a piece of paper.

That comment right there almost got you sponsored.

IAmRight: Young had support, the Texas defense was about a billion times better than the USC defense that year.

The defense was the only reason they beat Ohio State that year. Of course, if they didn't have the D...Vince would have just scored fourteen TDs in the last minute and a half.

/Can they make a rule for him to come back?

PseudoNic: The defense was the only reason they beat Ohio State that year.

Not to mention the real reason they won, stopping LenDale White on 4th and 2. And holding that offense to 38 points was actually pretty good. (not that a certain Bush didn't help them out with that one wtf? fumble/lateral)

Too bad this wasn't a few years ago. I would have loved seeing another year of Sproles.

IAmRight

Not to mention the real reason they won, stopping LenDale White on 4th and 2. And holding that offense to 38 points was actually pretty good. (not that a certain Bush didn't help them out with that one wtf? fumble/lateral)

They should have stripped him of his heisman when he did that.

Not that I didnt appreciate it.

lilplatinum: They should have stripped him of his heisman when he did that.

like the Heisman even counts for anything in life.

/Eric Crouch
//Andre Ware
///Charlie Ward
//Frazier...Tommy?
/Troy Smith (future)