Who is the dumbass? I would argue those that suspended the teacher, but I get the impression that subby meant the teacher was the dumbass.

Seriously, teachers did this when I was in elementary school and it worked. And it isn't like the teacher smacked the kid or something.

tandkquinn: I would argue those that suspended the teacher

I would agree. The teacher had nothing for which to apologize and certainly should not have been suspended.

the teacher didnt hit or harm the child, the child refused to listen to authority figure at the time. what does her mother do say okay, when the child doesnt do what she says?

The girl's mother, Julia Roberson of Fort Gaines, said her daughter suffers from attention deficit hypertension disorder.

so did I, but i never had a teacher put tape over my mouth, i shut up when i was told.. i guess its the teacher's fault she didnt use zero tolerance and suspend the kid for a week.

(sarcasm)right? better safe than sorry, i mean this is exactly the preliminary types of behaviors you'd expect from a future criminal (/sarcasm)

The whole over-analyzing childhood thing is just completely blown out of proportion, what with labeling adult psychoses and conditions on young kids.
My step son popped into our lives at 12 years old, and it was explained to me that he had ADD. From just a week of living with the boy I found he was more prone to being lazy and selfish than be ADD. A good kick in the ass, or several of them, were enough to get him motivated.

said her daughter suffers from attention deficit hypertension disorder

Sounds like a bunch of crap for not making a child take the blame for her own mouth. You teach them that they aren't responsible for their actions and they will grow up to be psychotic adults who have little concern for right and wrong.
In short, I say beat the kid with a rolled up newspaper, like a dog.

mathmatix: her daughter suffers from attention deficit hypertension disorder.

So the kid has behavioral problems AND high blood pressure??

Now, on the other hand, I've seen a boy in my son's Cub Scout troop that probably does need some medication or something.
From his behavior (yelling at his mom, choking her, calling her names, trying to punch her) I can see where there would be a mixture of bad parenting and something that can be truly diagnosed by a doctor. I wouldn't rule out a little bit of autism, since I have a nephew who is autistic and displays behavior similar to this boy.
I would guess that in all the cases of child psychologists labeling bad kids with adult psychoses, probably a small percentage might be true. Might.

lyledal

nice catch... i copied straight from the article....lol


/+1 for you

also do you think thats a typo or did the mother said that and the reporter put it in there to make the mother appear stupid?

If we found out about it, obviously the tape didn't hold.

mathmatix: i copied straight from the article....lol

I know. Pretty funny though.

The teacher should've brought the cops in to tase the little farker...

Teacher was rightly suspended.

She's just teaching the kid a lesson for the future when Bush destroys our economy and the kid has to go into bondage prostitution.

If parents did more to control their kids, teachers would have time to teach instead of dealing with that crap all day!

Teacher was rightly suspended.

Exactly, if the teacher wanted to do the RIGHT thing, she would have just thrown the student out of the class and had the principal suspend the kid for 7 days. Or she would have claimed the student said the word "gun" in class and had nothing to worry about in the future.

Back in my day... my teachers really did do this to kids. It also included taping students to chairs. God I miss the good old days.

Sometimes you just have to smack a kid. It's the one thing that works sometimes.

Where's the Hero tag?

Next time, use a staple gun.

While there are real cases, I think a majority of ADD and ADHD diagnoses are just a way try and excuse bad parenting.

said her daughter suffers from attention deficit hypertension disorder

a.k.a. "I didn't teach my child any control and she's an attention whore."

I'm sure if she had ADHD, the teacher would've been advised of it previously and appropriate steps (with the child's parent involved) would've been set up in advance to deal with the child's "bad days".

Some kids really do have ADHD... but most just need some discipline. I'm sick of parents blaming their lack of parenting skills on something/someone else.

I went to Catholic school for first grade, and the first day-- my first day of school ever, for that matter-- a nun did that to me.

After school, I had walked blocks away from the school before I took that tape off, fearing the hidden nun in the bushes ready to spring out if I freed my mouth.

"Have you tried staples?"

/a test of obsure Movie trivia

what the hell does this have to do with the superbowl?

daffy

If parents did more to control their kids, teachers would have time to teach instead of dealing with that crap all day!

Not sure how that's possible if the parent isn't there.

Given that we're talking about a ten year old here I think it's absurd to expect parents to prevent them from misbehaving in school in this way - talking. If the kid is running riot and clearly not well disciplined at home that's one thing but given the tone and content of the article it's fair to assume that the kid was doing what kids do - pushing boundaries to see what is and isn't acceptable.

Eponymous

"Have you tried staples?"

/a test of obsure Movie trivia

Scrooged is not obscure and the scene you refer to features a mouse.

Not a child.

Amazing how for generations, ADD and ADHD simply didn't exist. Kids that talked all the time did so willingly. Kids who couldn't focus were taught to focus. Parental and self-responsibility trumpted being pumped full of drugs.

My only exception to a kid talking in class would be if they had a certifiable case of Tourettes. And then only if they blurted out random shiat every now and then.

When I was in school the teacher would make you sit outside the classroom in a chair alone. Granted, I think this tape idea is nice.

A good friend of mine is a 7-8 grade teacher, and some of her stories can make blood run cold.

Kids are pussies. In my day we got taped and shiat thrown at us. Erasers, rulers, books. It was great, because the attention seekers got tons of attention, and the teacher got the silence they needed. You learned quick not to say stupid crap to the teacher if you knew what was good for you.

Not sure how that's possible if the parent isn't there.

I'm not around my dog all day; she stays obedient.

However, I agree. I don't expect my college students to sit for 50 minutes without at least two forms of presentation (pictures, videos, something) and a chance to discuss.

If someone made me sit all day listening to some teacher ramble on about history and benign math, when I have a video game at home, I'd be miserable. My mom went to a teaching conference (they force them to do that crap) and the TEACHERS were disciplined for talking too much. What the hell?

If you try to get some kid to sit all day, you are a bad teace and an idiot.

But the parent should be proactive and demand the teacher be held accountable for shiatty teaching methods (IF APPLICABLE HERE). Then again, the Teacher's Union hates accountability.

ZebZamboni

Amazing how for generations, ADD and ADHD simply didn't exist. Kids that talked all the time did so willingly. Kids who couldn't focus were taught to focus. Parental and self-responsibility trumpted being pumped full of drugs.

Not really. Even kids with ADHD would shut up when the cane hit their ass a few times. Now that corporal punishment is gone so is the fear (which didn't work anyway).

tonesskin

I'm not around my dog all day; she stays obedient.

Your troll-fu is weak padawan.

This is so ridiculous. I had some ADHD kid in my 7th grade class and the teacher taped his mouth shut in a big taped smiley face. It was hilarious and he was giggling a bit from under the tape.....but he shut up.....and his "poor precious self esteem" wasn't affected.

Parents? Quit spoiling your kids and start backing up the teacher. Your kids have waayyy too much underserved self-esteem.

If parents did more to control their kids, teachers would have time to teach instead of dealing with that crap all day!

I had a few high school TEACHERS in my day; lots in college. Otherwise, they were mostly babysitters. My father's first exam (as a college math professor teaching future teachers) in a math education course was the standardized test for 7TH GRADERS. The average was in the 60s. Students said the test was "unfair."

Your troll-fu is weak padawan.

Meekychuppet, I don't know how saying "my dog learns and generalizes to situations when I'm not around" is trolling. It's true. You are talking about discrimination (to use operant terms). Or mainly undergeneralization.

My point is that if a DOG can generalize, a child can. That's BASIC operant conditioning. Very basic.

Amazing how for generations, ADD and ADHD simply didn't exist.

Um, they always existed. Unless by "not existed" you mean "not clinically defined." In which case, I could says it's amazing how for generations cancer simply didn't exist.

Protecting a bad kid's self-esteem is a crock of shiat. The pussification of America continues. No wonder our education system pumps out unprepared young adults.

But hey... the world needs ditch diggers and fast food workers. It's time to stop coddling the can't-dos at the expense of the able.

tonesskin, you are right, teachers can be more proactive in getting students interested in the subject being discussed, just a lot of teachers don't give a crap. They teach interesting subjects but they make it boring. There are so many forms of media you can use and make that there is no reason for a history class to be boring. Anyways, I love history, but college history classes bore me to death, so I end up sleeping in them. Always pass them with As and Bs so oh well.

tonesskin

Meekychuppet, I don't know how saying "my dog learns and generalizes to situations when I'm not around" is trolling. It's true. You are talking about discrimination (to use operant terms). Or mainly undergeneralization.

The implication is that Pavlovian conditioning will work on kids. It will, for around ten seconds. It's a poor comparison.

No wonder our education system pumps out unprepared young adults.

Yeah, we have one of the most educated societies in the world; people here are FORCED to go to school (making most comparisons with other countries totally meaningless since not everyone goes to school); and I see some really bright college students.

It pumps out bored adults; but they are usually fairly prepared.

Although, I do think that in high school we should start figuring out who wants a blue collar job and give them better training.

angryred: , I had walked blocks away from the school before I took that tape off, fearing the hidden nun in the bushes ready to spring out if I freed my mouth.

But I bet you learned to keep you yap shut in class though, didn't ya?

Why are some of you so opposed to kids having good self esteem? Was your own schooling and childhood that bad?

meekychuppet

The implication is that Pavlovian conditioning will work on kids. It will, for around ten seconds. It's a poor comparison.

1) I was talking about operant conditioning, not Pavlovian.

2) Um, it does. Really well. Are you one of those people who think humans can't learn through conditioning?

Why do you stop at a red light? Why do you like Fark? Why do you drink alcohol (if you do)? Why don't you go naked to a funeral?

Saying that operant conditioning (or Pavlovian) is not applicable to children is basically admitting no knowledge of learning.

Great. Now they've empowered the smart-ass kid. This will make things better.

Why are some of you so opposed to kids having good self esteem?

Psst, self-esteem is learned through Pavlovian and operant conditioning...

/and don't give me that "social learning" crap. That's just vicarious and specialized operant and Pavlovian conditioning

tonesskin
Compare the US education system to that of other first-world countries, then get back to me. Where do we rank in science? In math?

meekychuppet
I'm not against self-esteem. I'm opposed to coddling kids who don't deserve or need to be coddled. There are plenty of ways for kids to gain self-esteem that don't involve pussification.

Exactly what I expected. A bunch of comments about how the kid had it coming. Because there is absolutely no way to get a child to be quiet without taping her mouth shut.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for discipline, but whatever happened to putting the chatty kid in the hallway, or in a corner? I was a good kid in school, and I remember the kids who talked too much and acted up. I also remember the teachers dealing with it in a professional manner. No one was ever put in a body sock or arrested or had their mouth taped shut.

But, whatever. This is Fark. I don't expect anyone to agree with me.

ZebZamboni

Compare the US education system to that of other first-world countries, then get back to me. Where do we rank in science? In math?

Wait, are we talking about college education or elementary education?

tonesskin

1) I was talking about operant conditioning, not Pavlovian.


You mentioned dogs - the Pavlov assumption was inevitable and I think you know that. You made no indication that you were talking about operant conditioning. Perhaps you could at least have mentioned Skinner.

2) Um, it does. Really well. Are you one of those people who think humans can't learn through conditioning?


I believe conditioning is one of the few ways we really do learn and you will have to read my post again because I didn't say it doesn't. I stated that Pavlov's methods are too simplistic for children. If they weren't then Skinner and Bandura are crying in to their research papers as we speak.

Why do you stop at a red light? Why do you like Fark? Why do you drink alcohol (if you do)? Why don't you go naked to a funeral?

Saying that operant conditioning (or Pavlovian) is not applicable to children is basically admitting no knowledge of learning.

Again, read what I posted.

The problem isn't kids having good self-esteem. The problem is that kids are so coddled that they didn't EARN the self-esteem that they have. It's this building up of kids, not through their own deeds or actions but through the parents implying that their darling is just the most wonderful thing on the planet just by existing.....and then "darling-poo" goes out in the real world with chip on his shoulder and thinks everyone else should think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread too.

and then, know what happens?

Sweet little darling kid is CRUSHED.....mentally crushed.

So, no, by having high expectations of good behavior, by having consistent consequences that WORK (not "Gee, Johnny, you get another 5 minute time out") THEN your kid feels worthy of that good self-esteem and won't be shattered the first time he hits hard times in the real world.

You love your kids? Sometimes you gotta kick some butt so that they will be happy adults.

/that's just my opinion. I could be wrong..

ZebZamboni

I'm not against self-esteem. I'm opposed to coddling kids who don't deserve or need to be coddled. There are plenty of ways for kids to gain self-esteem that don't involve pussification.

And assaulting them is obviously one of those ways. Treating them with respect is not coddling.

LadyAcidophillus

The problem isn't kids having good self-esteem. The problem is that kids are so coddled that they didn't EARN the self-esteem that they have. It's this building up of kids, not through their own deeds or actions but through the parents implying that their darling is just the most wonderful thing on the planet just by existing.....and then "darling-poo" goes out in the real world with chip on his shoulder and thinks everyone else should think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread too.

and then, know what happens?

Sweet little darling kid is CRUSHED.....mentally crushed.

So, no, by having high expectations of good behavior, by having consistent consequences that WORK (not "Gee, Johnny, you get another 5 minute time out") THEN your kid feels worthy of that good self-esteem and won't be shattered the first time he hits hard times in the real world.

You love your kids? Sometimes you gotta kick some butt so that they will be happy adults.

/that's just my opinion. I could be wrong..

This is emphatic nonsense.

How can you earn esteem from yourself?