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/you asked!

"What is Arabic for, "My bad"?

Uh, since they say it every time they fark something up, I'm gonna go with 'Death to America, Death to Isreal!'.

I don't believe him for two reasons:

1. He's the head of a murderous terror organization.

2. They won.

So for 2 soldiers, Israel kills over 1,000 Lebanese and destroys their infrastructure.

Israel should pay for the rebuilding, and NOT with U.S. taxpayer dollars.

winner winner chicken dinner

totalsecurity: I thought Israel had no money that wasn't from the US?

What the hell did he think was going to happen?

Israel had been planning this for about a year, and they were just looking for an excuse to hit the red button.

what is arabic for my bad??

"khata'ee"

Quality headline submitter!

/Says "my bad" way too much.
//DeadZone wins the thread for being a smart-ass

oh...well...THAT changes everything.

Israel had been planning this for about a year, and they were just looking for an excuse to hit the red button?

Arabds have been planning this since 622 AD.

Did they actually get the two soldiers back?

meanwhile, in 1944 Germany, Hitler declares "If I had known killing as many Jews as possible would lead to WWII, I'd have raised Elpacas instead!"

I'm betting Hallmark doesn't have a card for this.

"Because we stole your soldiers....

We're sorry."

"I hope we can still be friends. Death to America."

brewks: what is arabic for my bad??

"khata'ee"

That's Klingon, man.

All your rubble are belong to us.

Don't thread on me.

Whatever happened to the first soldier kidnapped by Hammas? That would have been a good reminder that they might come after Hezbollah.

Derka derka

totalsecurity: So for 2 soldiers, Israel kills over 1,000 Lebanese and destroys their infrastructure.

It isn't just for those 2 soldiers. If Israel had just allowed it, then kidnapping soldiers would have become a nice addition to their arsenal.

What is Arabic for, "My bad"?

Dirka dirka fatwa.

Doncha hate it when you lead a terrorist organization, squat in a country, and then you start some shiat, and that country gets laid to waste?

Heh, "my bad" indeed.

Not quite a good justification.
But a good deterrent.

But Hezbollah still won? Riiiiiiiiiight...

AP
The U.N. Interim Force in Lebanon, known as UNIFIL, is to expand to 15,000 soldiers as part of a deal to ensure fighting doesn't flare anew.

These AP guys break me up.

"I mean, sure, 20/20 hindsight, but you know..." - Emperor Hirohito when asked if he knew that bombing Pearl Harbor would lead to atom bombs being dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Donutmaker, you fail to realize Lebanon wants to eradicate Israel off the face of the planet, and acted upon it. I'd say that's good justification.

Donutmaker: 1000 kidnapped Israeli soldiers over the course of, let's say, 10 years, versus the tens of thousands of Arabs sure to be killed over situations like this in that same length of time? Not quite a good justification.

As their government, the Israeli government has more responsibility to their own people than to those in neighbouring countries. The welfare of the Israeli people is the Israeli government's priority.

If the Arab nations around Israel don't want their people getting killed, they're going to have to start trying to rein in Hezbollah and similar groups and stop them from poking at Israel repeatedly.

puffy999
What the hell did he think was going to happen?

A prisoner exchange, the same thing that has happened many times in the past when Israel has kidnapped Lebanese and Lebanon has kidnapped Israelis. That's how both sides have played the game in the past. Israel kidnaps Lebanese citizens, too, doncha know.

I could have sworn the only strategy Hezbollah had for this was to get a lot Lebanese civilians killed so world public opinion would turn on Israel.

KernLead
I could have sworn the only strategy Hezbollah had for this was to get a lot Lebanese civilians killed so world public opinion would turn on Israel.

That's got to be the most hilarious twisted logic I can imagine. You're actually finding a way to mentally blame Hezbollah for Israel's brutal reprisals against Lebanon's civilians. You should change your farktag to Kool-Aid Man or something.

I'm sorry, I meant Hezbollocks, not Lebanon (but I'm sure Lebanon silently agrees...)

Mugato: That's Klingon, man.

There is no Klingon word for "my bad."

/or is it "jolly" that they don't have a word for?

we_hates

It isn't just for those 2 soldiers. If Israel had just allowed it, then kidnapping soldiers would have become a nice addition to their arsenal.

And when DEA agents were kidnapped and killed in Mexico by Mexican police, did the U.S. kill thousands of Mexicans and destroy the infrastructure of Mexico? No? Hmmm. That's a war that is still going on.

I could cite other examples, but my point is clear: Israel overreacted. There is no excuse for what they did. None.

mrexcess
That's got to be the most hilarious twisted logic I can imagine.

If you believe for one second that Hezbollah had no idea what happened would happen, be sure to put out your Christmas stocking tonight so the easter bunny can leave you a quarter. If you're really good the Great Pumpkin might be your friend.

/don't bemoan civilian casualties when you deliberately fight amongst civilians

totalsecurity are you sympathetic with Hezballah? What is your stance on the issue. I'm not sure why you think Israel does not have the right to protect their existance.

Donutmaker: 1000 kidnapped Israeli soldiers over the course of, let's say, 10 years, versus the tens of thousands of Arabs sure to be killed over situations like this in that same length of time? Not quite a good justification.

That's something that can and will be debated for a long time. I'm not a huge fan of Israel, but I will point out that their response to the threat against their security was infinitely more reasoned than the US response typically has been.

KernLead
If you believe for one second that Hezbollah had no idea what happened would happen

"Either you believe my bizarre, unsupported by evidence, not terribly logically sound opinion, or you are gullible".

Riiiight.

As previously stated, both sides have many times in the past, including very recently, kidnapped people from the other side and offered them back in prisoner exchanges. It was reasonable to believe that would have happened again. Israel's reaction was a surprise to the entire planet, that much is obvious simply from the tone of the news coverage. Nobody expected this kind of an overreaction on Israel's part to the kidnapping of two soldiers. That kind of thing, kidnapping and prisoner exchanges, has been pretty common place among both sides.

don't bemoan civilian casualties when you deliberately fight amongst civilians

I agree, Israel should stop doing that.

pol_troop
I'm not sure why you think Israel does not have the right to protect their existance.

Could you please quote totalsecurity saying that Israel does not have the right to protect their existance? I'm having trouble finding where he said that.

totalsecurity: I could cite other examples, but my point is clear: Israel overreacted.

That may be, but you damn sure can't use the US as your example of reasoned response. Ask thirty thousand dead Iraqis.

Wow mrexcess I bet you think Jane Fonda deserves a Nobel Peace Prize, Clinton should win Husband of the Century, and Kim Jong Il deserves the Humanitarian of the year award.

totalsecurity: And when DEA agents were kidnapped and killed in Mexico by Mexican police, did the U.S. kill thousands of Mexicans and destroy the infrastructure of Mexico? No? Hmmm. That's a war that is still going on.

Hey now, that would have ROCKED!

/bet we would have fewer illegals.

mrexcess I asked him, not you.
Wait in line like a good boy.

tee hee

pol_troop
Wow mrexcess I bet you think Jane Fonda deserves a Nobel Peace Prize, Clinton should win Husband of the Century, and Kim Jong Il deserves the Humanitarian of the year award.

Ad hominem attacks for no reason at all. Gotta love it.

I asked him, not you.

And I asked you to show me where he said anything of the kind. Now put up or shut up.

Kim Jong Il deserves the Humanitarian of the year award.

O RRY?

Why would i have to put up to you, when i asked someone else what their stance was on the matter?
and add eminem, I was making a statement that makes the perception that you seem to go the other way on subjects, but, since this is one subject, i was throwing my feelers out to see what was biting. Nothing personal.

pol_troop
Why would i have to put up to you, when i asked someone else what their stance was on the matter?

Because you hope to maintain a shred of credibility? You didn't ask him whether or not he felt Israel had a right to protect its existence. You claimed he doesn't think they do:

I'm not sure why you think Israel does not have the right to protect their existance.

Now, I'm asking you to provide evidence to support your claim that totalsecurity does not believe Israel has a right to protect their existance.

This was a U.S. sponsored proxy war between the West and Iran, and once again because of our complete lack of understanding of the politics in the region we got our asses handed to us on a plate. 0-2. U.S. and Israel, forever linked at the hip.

Come see the softer side of Hizbollah?