Looks like the Right Wing psychos need to find another reason to justify their racism.

I bet that in 1860, southern farmers were worried that nobody would do a slave's job. The loss of cheap labor didn't ruin their economy, though.

/Sherman did!

Why is the U.S. picked on so much about immigration? Is there a single country in the world that will let a foreigner live there permanently with zero documentation whatsoever? What developed countries in the world depend on emigrants for its primary source of income?

And it has nothing to do with race. If Romanians on our borders behaving the same way, it would be treated the same way.

This is the same group that came up with the estimates for how many illegal aliens are in this country.

The last amnesty for one million turned into amnesty for three million.

And did nothing to stop the invasion.

2006-08-13 11:35:09 PMUnwonted
Why is the U.S. picked on so much about immigration? Is there a single country in the world that will let a foreigner live there permanently with zero documentation whatsoever? What developed countries in the world depend on emigrants for its primary source of income?

I don't think it is picked on more than other countries. I think it's just that the US press naturally picks on it more as it's more relevant to their readership.

Here in New Zealand, the papers are always going on about NZ immigration, not American immigration.

Look, we all see that there are too many Mexicans running around. It doesn't matter if they're taking our jobs or not, I don't like seeing my neighborhood over run with Mexicans.

I can get off this naked pile of men now?

Of course they aren't taking our jobs, they don't speak English and refuse to learn it. But that doesn't stop them from taking advantage of our welfare system, raising our taxes and burdening our communities.

jeeooorb

Maybe they're not taking OUR jobs.. but they are definitely lowering the average threshold for labor pay.

Minimum wage means nothing when it cannot be enforced.

Of course they aren't taking our jobs, they don't speak English and refuse to learn it. But that doesn't stop them from taking advantage of our welfare system, raising our taxes and burdening our communities.

I guess only a bullet can do that, hey Spark Plug?

Yes immigrants are obviously not stealing our jobs said the bought and paid lobbyists who happen to represent many foreign immigrants and their employers.

/impartiality surrenders.

The same paper printed an article a few months back stating that Washington State spends 40 to 50 million per year of Medicaid healthcare $$ on illegal aliens.


/Just sayin'
/Lives in Seattle.

takkeerr derr?

/great episode

I thought it was "jeyorb"?

Unless submitter's using a new slang term for 'gerbils'. Then they can have all they want. Me...I'm going into business selling duct tape.

/Armageddon!

That's because all the jobs moved to Mexico and China.

You want to come to this country? Great! Love to have you. But do it legally.
What? It's too hard/expensive? Too damn bad. You don't get a free pass. I don't...why should you?

I fully support making it easier for foreigners to come here legally. I also support stronger laws to punish them, and their employers, if they come here illegaly.

jay_vee: I don't think it is picked on more than other countries. I think it's just that the US press naturally picks on it more as it's more relevant to their readership.

Here in New Zealand, the papers are always going on about NZ immigration, not American immigration.


That's true. I guess the U.S. is picked on by its own :D

towatchoverme

¿No comprende? Hablas espanol.

Interesting. The Pew Hispanic Center says Mexicans don't take our jobs. Conflict of interest, anyone?

The Pew Hispanic Center did the research, that is like the KKK doing research saying blacks, jews, and hispanics are all retarded.

YouPeopleAreCrazy

You want to come to this country? Great! Love to have you. But do it legally.
What? It's too hard/expensive? Too damn bad. You don't get a free pass. I don't...why should you?

Were you born in the US or are you an immigrant? Not trying flame, just curious.

WaffenSS


The Pew Hispanic Center did the research, that is like the KKK doing research saying blacks, jews, and hispanics are all retarded.


That says it all.

Jabber, imagine me saying this slowly so you can understand.

It is not racism to expect people entering our country to obey the law

No one has a problem with LEGAL immigration

DIR DIR DIR
Check out websters.com sometime. Knowledge is your friend.

nitehawk929: Were you born in the US or are you an immigrant? Not trying flame, just curious.

Born here. Spouse is a foreigner. We had to go through all the crap/$$$ for her to be a resident alien/green card holder. She's still considering (2 decades later) whether to become a citizen.

What's really interesting are the stiff laws the MEXICANS have, and ENFORCE, for immigation into MEXICO. There are also lots of laws about foreigners owning land and other assets, etc., that are WAAAY more restrictive and punitive than ours are.

They mock us, openly.

The solution to illegal immigration is easy: pay illegals only in their home currency. It still lets them send money home, which is ostensibly why they came here. ... right? Then, a stiff federal and state surtax on currency conversion pays for the service burdens the illegals add.

Applies to all illegal immigrants; not racist.

Don't deport 'em.

Watch 'em all leave on their own.

Immigrants don't steal jobs. Illegal aliens do.

But Russian immigrants are definitely taking our girbs.

Jorbs. Geez.

I still liked the idea of renting airtime online for predator drones based near the border, to make the risks a little closer to what the Cubans have to go through.

/ok...arm em with tranq darts...that better?
//it'd make for great television

End NAFTA- poor farmers get their land back from the corporations; problem solved.

WaffenSS: The Pew Hispanic Center did the research, that is like the KKK doing research saying blacks, jews, and hispanics are all retarded.

Or someone whose FARK log-in is Waffen SS tlling us what to think about Hispanics.

YouPeopleAreCrazy What? It's too hard/expensive? Too damn bad. You don't get a free pass. I don't...why should you?


You didn't get a free pass? So...what exactly did you have to do to get your American citizenship?

/Just curious

Jabber: Looks like the Right Wing psychos need to find another reason to justify their racism.

So, in Jabber's simple little world only right wingers want immigration reform and anybody who makes a distinction between "legal" and "illegal" is racist.

Sweet! No thinking required...

RanDomino


End NAFTA- poor farmers get their land back from the corporations; problem solved.


Like that's gonna happen...they're already pushing for a North American Union.

WaffenSS and sir.steve.h

The Pew Hispanic Center says Mexicans don't take our jobs. Conflict of interest, anyone?

Not quite. Pew is a respected organization. The study that focuses on hispanics is done by the part of their organization that focuses on hispanics. Saying it's biased because of the fact that the subject area is its area of expertise is asinine. Leveling the charge that Pew is biased itself is a pretty big accusation, as it is their business to be impartial.

In order for ME to become an American, I had to spend nine months stuffed inside a woman's uterus, then suffer the ordeal of being shoved through that woman's hoo-hah. While I do love that woman dearly (thanks mom!) I have to say that overall, that is the MOST disgusting thing EVER.

I think the least these immigrants can do is fill out some damn paperwork.

/At least THEY had clothes on when they arrived in this country...
//And I can only assume the smell on the trip over wasn't all THAT bad...
///I keed. (Mostly)

Please...I'm begging you all...just don't paste that little black kid. The asian guy...well, that's ok.

"People coming over the border don't steal our jobs! What, do you want to deliver your own chinese food? And drive you ratty bike down broadway in the rain? Is that what you want to do?"

-Greg Giraldo

Alexandra
Like that's gonna happen...they're already pushing for a North American Union.

Problem solved! Send all the mexicans to Canada!

Doc Daneeka: You didn't get a free pass? So...what exactly did you have to do to get your American citizenship?

Free pass as far as following the laws of the land.

Ok...I was born here, that makes me a citizen.
But if your very first act on US soil is illegal, why should anyone expect you to follow any other laws?

Does any one have info on how long/hard/whatever the process is to become an American citizen? Any firsthand accounts?

nah, not taking the jobs, just lowballing as many as possible so that they pay is so low, no one would want to do them anyway.

once enough "undocumented" aliens move to flyover country, the jobs white trash folks do will be impacted.

just like the fast food joints in real states...used to be your local surly teenager slinging fries. now its your just-recently-local 30 year old who screws up your order.

of course, undercutting prices doesn't affect anything in the liberal mind... unless it's the local leftie "independent" bookstore put out of business by Barnes and Noble or Borders.

Or back in the day, when knee jerk conservatives hated Walmart for cheap chinese goods.... the local pickle barrel mom and pop was put out of business by evil walmart...oh noes!

Then walmart got attacked for being anti-union and they became the righties darling.

The thing is, immigrating LEGALLY to the US today is a ridiculously long and laborious process, and you may not even be accepted in the end. So people who want to get in legally can't do so, or at least not until years of paperwork is done, whereas illegals flood the place with a smile.

The system is truly broken.

Let me get this straight...

So if they didn't have anyone for the jobs that are not being taken then the wages would go up to attract people to those jobs. And more citizens would go into those types of jobs.

But since they are being worked by illegals the wages don't go up. they go down instead.

And if you are against this happening you are a racist.


ok...

YouPeopleAreCrazy

Yea, I can imagine. I've worked at an immigration attorney's office. Applying for lawful permanent residence is a pretty hectic process. It's not so bad if you apply based on marriage to US citizen, though it still takes a long time to get processed. Employee based immigration is even more complicated.

I don't know, it just doesn't seem right that someone born in Nogales, AZ should have a shiatload more rights than someone born a few miles south in Nogales, Mexico.

Unwonted: I bet that in 1860, southern farmers were worried that nobody would do a slave's job. The loss of cheap labor didn't ruin their economy, though.

Well, that and the fact that machines that could do the work of slaves but required less maintenance (just making sure the machine was in working order, fueled, etc, vs. housing, feeding, and treating for a slave) were becoming more and more popular by the end of the Civil War.

Aww, dang ol' messikins stole mah job!

Get over it. Illegal immigration has always been a part of America, it always will be. We have an outstanding need for cheap labor to sustain our lifestyle. Whatever abstract numbers say, unemployed accountants and software engineers are not about to go down to the day labor center to dig ditches or roof houses for minimum wage.

They're here, they work hard, they pay taxes, either through social security they never receive, through sales taxes and property taxes, and they get to support their families.

Our economy NEEDS cheap labor, and as long as the demand is there, the supply will meet it, the same as in the drug war, or during prohibition. Building a fence, beefing up the border patrol, even shooting everyone who comes in illegally, none of it will do any good. The only real solution is the same as the one for prohibition, and the drug war, though politicians will never admit it: document it and regulate it the best you can, tax it, get whatever benefit you can out of it, cause it's never going away.

One thing is for sure, white middle-class Americans need to quit crying so hard about it, because they only benefit from it.