Goddamn terrific, that's what this is.

To add a bit of weight to the situation. From Americablog: (below):

1. According to the Washington Post, "the plan, which would replace a military trial system ruled illegal by the Supreme Court in June, would also allow the secretary of defense to add crimes at will to those under the military court's jurisdiction." If that is correct, then the federal government could add ANY crime to the list, ANY crime. So any American suspected of ANYTHING could be picked up and sent to a military court and never heard from again because, oh yeah guess what, the new legislation says you basically get a Soviet gulag trial:

Under the proposed procedures, defendants would lack rights to confront accusers, exclude hearsay accusations, or bar evidence obtained through rough or coercive interrogations. They would not be guaranteed a public or speedy trial and would lack the right to choose their military counsel, who in turn would not be guaranteed equal access to evidence held by prosecutors. Detainees would also not be guaranteed the right to be present at their own trials, if their absence is deemed necessary to protect national security or individuals.

2. The part that could easily cover reporters, and political dissidents:

The military lawyers nonetheless supported extending the jurisdiction of the commissions to cover those accused of joining or associating with terrorist groups engaged in anti-U.S. hostilities, and of committing or aiding hostile acts by such groups, whether or not they are part of al-Qaeda, two U.S. officials said.

Aiding hostile acts? Who would that be? Well, according to the White House's own words over the past 5 years, every one of us who speaks out against the war, every newspaper who publishes articles about Bush's violating the law in his over-execution of the war on terror, is "aiding" the enemy. Remember, these are the White House's own words, folks. And now they want legislation that says that those of who "aid" the enemy can be basically tried in abstentia and never heard from again.

So, we defend freedom and liberty by abandoning them. That's the best these goddamned incompetent idiots can come up with.

*checks calendar*

Nope, not 1984... fark.

Some would say you're already screwed.

/Not me though...

Exxxxcellent

The U.S. official countered that a military judge "would look hard" at the origins of such evidence and that defendants would have to count on "the trustworthiness of the system."

Holy hell. Read the WaPo article. This isn't a farking joke, people. What's it gonna take?

And it goes red. Well, at least everyone can read about Mel Gibson and the Joos.

Begging, just begging for a revolution.

Even if congress passes this (and I hope they are not that idiotic) wouldn't it be just as unconstitutional andwha tit seeks to replace?

i'd LOVE to see someone try to defend this.

Right now it's a plan... but what a stupid plan.

Argh.. I guess the headline wasn't funny enough.

George W. Bush: Spreading democracy over there so he doesn't have to spread it over here

Cool. Soon, only celebrities will get public trials.

Last One Left: George W. Bush: Spreading democracy over there so he doesn't have to spread it over here

*golf clap*

Thanks for the summary MojoFraggle. This is really scary stuff. Worst part is if this starts happening, no one will even know it

I've been saying it for a while, but we really need to begin impeachment hearings. And any Democrat or Republican in Congress going along with this insanity must be voted out of office

The plan, which would replace a military trial system ruled illegal by the Supreme Court in June, would also allow the secretary of defense to add crimes at will to those under the military court's jurisdiction.

Suddenly all that talk I've seen and partaken in about overthrowing governments here on Fark doesn't sound all that crazy.

How much does it cost to sponsor a link?

mediaho: And it goes red. Well, at least everyone can read about Mel Gibson and the Joos.


And Hohan, and skiing babies... the important issues in our world.


/really mods, wtf

MojoFraggle: How much does it cost to sponsor a link?

Like real politics, let's try voting first and when that doesn't work, we go with a bribe.

antisocialite: *golf clap*

Thank you. It was either that or "America: Land of the Carefree, Home of the Knave"

Revolution II: Freedom Boogaloo

/coming soon to a "theater" near you.

mediaho: Like real politics, let's try voting first and when that doesn't work, we go with a bribe.

Really? I've never seen a highly voted upon link go from red to green.

mediaho: let's try voting first

Done.

Good. I didn't like the 4th or 5th amendments anyway. A little good ol' fashioned police state would do America some good.

What is it? $800.. $1000? What's a sponsored link going for these days? Anyone?

Come on modmins, 22 votes already, that's tied for second on the list of 50 most recent link votes.

I'm glad its not going green. The last we need is some lame-ass troll trying to defend this garbage.

Wow, I'm not sure if this more like Orwell or Kafka. I'm begining to think Kafka.

Can someone beg via a fark back?

Thing.

The last thing we need is a lame-ass troll.

Under the proposed procedures, defendants would lack rights to confront accusers, exclude hearsay accusations, or bar evidence obtained through rough or coercive interrogations. They would not be guaranteed a public or speedy trial and would lack the right to choose their military counsel, who in turn would not be guaranteed equal access to evidence held by prosecutors.

Detainees would also not be guaranteed the right to be present at their own trials, if their absence is deemed necessary to protect national security or individuals.



Oh come now, that's not that bad! If you think that's bad you obviously hate Amurica.

MojoFraggle: Really? I've never seen a highly voted upon link go from red to green.

I'll pitch in for a sponsored link.

Last One Left: Thank you. It was either that or "America: Land of the Carefree, Home of the Knave"

I would have gone for something like "George Bush's Law of the Conservation of Freedom: Freedom can neither be created nor destroyed, so we're giving up ours to give them theirs."

Which sucks. And is too sciency for this group of jackasses. So its good to have you around. :)

Sounds like that old saw about those not doing anything wrong won't have to worry can't be applied to this steaming pile of crap. They can just get informers to make shiat up.

The slope is starting to get greasy.

Crooow!: I'm glad its not going green. The last we need is some lame-ass troll trying to defend this garbage.

I'm really surprised it didn't green. A thread like this could easily reach top ten in no time. Oh and not to mention it's the worst idea I've seen from this country in a long, long time.

EvilEgg: I'm not sure if this more like Orwell or Kafka

Huxley.

Americans are too distracted to care.

If you folks havn't excercised your 2nd Amendment by now, you better get going on it.

antisocialite: So its good to have you around. :)

Much appreciated. Nevertheless, it's good to have all these other guys around lest this thread devolves into a marketing slogan deathmatch.

Just wow. You are rotting from the inside out, top down.

wow.


My god. is such a short span of time -- I hope that history marks that as Bush's tragic flaw -- too much too fast and that was what burned him.

Come on admins, use your power for good.

GaryPDX: If you folks havn't excercised your 2nd Amendment by now, you better get going on it.

No shiat. I'll say this about liberals, if they'd jump off their farking high horse and start snatching up guns, conservatives in this country would start thinking twice.

Croooow!: The last [thing] we need is some lame-ass troll trying to defend this garbage.

I could pretend to do that, then we can all ignore me in good conscience and avoid the distraction.

/how I'd go devils advocate on this, I have no idea...

GaryPDX: If you folks havn't excercised your 2nd Amendment by now, you better get going on it.

I'm a proud supporter of the NRA but I don't trust myself with a weapon.

I for one, pray nightly for Bush to be impeached before things have gone too far to be turned around.

peck: I could pretend to do that, then we can all ignore me in good conscience and avoid the distraction.

I was thinking of doing it, but I don't want to be known as that guy.

I just begged in a farkback.. Something I've never done. (hangs head low)

Domestic extraordinary rendition.

Lovely. The logic of empire.

antisocialite: No shiat. I'll say this about liberals, if they'd jump off their farking high horse and start snatching up guns, conservatives in this country would start thinking twice.

You've been brainwashed. Liberals own guns.

MojoFraggle: I just begged in a farkback.. Something I've never done. (hangs head low)

Your country thanks you for your sacrifice.