Arg. In my haste to submit I completely butchered the headline. That should read: "Iran takes delivery of nuclear-capable missles from North Korea. Has sufficient range to hit Europe. But don't worry, they're only for peaceful civilian purposes."

Hey, Axis of Evil and all.

In all honesty, by ignoring Pakistan's conventional and nuclear black markets we've allowed this mess to not only continue but to also grow worse.

You don't like a nuclear Iran? Your problem is with Pakistan.

You don't like a nuclear North Korean? Your problem is with Pakistan.

You don't like North Korea having such great missle technology? Who do you think they got it from? I'll give you one guess.

Until someone decides to shut Pakistan's conventional and nuclear proliferation down, we'll only ever be going after the symptoms and never treating the disease.

H to the issle?

Occams_Electric_Razor: Your problem is with Pakistan.


You sure about that? Seems to be the other way around.

2wheeljunkie
H to the issle?

Fo sissle my issle

Axis of bad spelling and grammar?

OK, line up to call me anti-american.

Iran has a right to defend itself. Pakistan has nukes and for some reason we're OK with that, even though we sometimes accuse them of harboring terrorists.

Culturally, middle-eastern people have a tendency to overstate things, and to phrase things in the most agressive way possible. Sabre rattling is a required function of any government that wants to stay in power over there, and has been for thousands of years.

How arrogant are we that everything iran does now has to be about us?

Dancin_In_Anson: You sure about that? Seems to be the other way around.

Your second link is broken, but I do seem to recall a number of years ago that we were tracking a shipment of missles from Pakistan to North Korean by way of the UAE.

Their nuclear program definitely has a Made in Pakistan label on the side, however.

Either way, though, my wider point is that we've allowed these larger messes to compound while we've been distracted by lesser issues.

Europe? Who cares. They always fuss about the US being up in their business, so we chould butt out and let them deal with the mess.

Asa Phelps

I agree with you. Iran is going to do what Iran is going to do. Antagonizing them only makes it worse.

Let Iran become a nuclear power as Pakistan, India, China, Russia, and Israel (all Iran's neighbors) already are.

Next, the Saudis will want the bomb, then of course the Egyptians, etc...

I think that if Al-Queda or other terrorists could have or wanted to nuke us, they would have done so already.

So when do I get MY nukes? I have a Second Amendment right to nuclear weapons, damnit, and this government is denying me my constitutional perrogative.

Iran WILL get the bomb, and the Mullahs would LOVE to get hit by US and/or Israeli forces - then they'd have the whole country behind them, screaming for revenge. They'd be as popular as Bush was on 9/12. Try invading THAT.

Iran has a right to defend itself.

who is threatening Iran? they are the ones that threaten others. they warred with iraq. they took over our embassey. they harbored terrorists. they fund terrorists in iraq. they threaten israel with annihilation. they shouldn't have nukes

Pakistan has nukes and for some reason we're OK with that

because you can't make a blanket statement. some countries having nukes is worse than other countries having nukes.

Occams_Electric_Razor: Your second link is broken


Screen grab:



North Korea may have gotten nuc technology from Pakistan, (as well as USSR and China) but they have done their own homework in the delivery systems. Which they are selling around the world.

nuc technology

the nuc of death

Oh boy... just what I want to hear. The country whose president very recently said "We're going to wipe Israel off the map" now has nuclear-capable (m)issles. How long before the mushroom cloud is seen rising above Jerusalem?

UnstoppableDrew

Good luck on getting that fixed. They don't read the ones they're going to greenlight, not the mention the ones they already have.

I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

Good morning Dr. Falken.

Would you like to play a game of chess?



/ no one should have nukes
// we need Superman to throw them all into the sun
/// where have all the good men gone, and where are all the gods?
//// We need a Hero.

When Jeruselem , Paris, Berlin, Rome, and London are glass parking lots I don't want to hear jack shiat from the "they have a right to defend themselves" and "its for peaceful purposes" and "no blood for oil" crowds......

Actually issles are the new radar evading weapon they were talking about. It's the 'm' that caused most of the radar return, without it the energy waves just slide over the issle and you don't get a return.

Dancin_In_Anson: Screen grab:

Thanks for that, sir. I couldn't get it to open in either Firefox or IE, so I'm chaulking it up to the corporate firewall.

aaaaannnnd boom goes the dynomite.

Strange that the only sources for this info are the Israeli press and Mossad. No, not biased at all.

Missiles able to reach europe, sharing nuclear secrets with everyone

What a bunch of lovely fellows, these mullahs

Oldiron_79: When Jeruselem , Paris, Berlin, Rome, and London are glass parking lots I don't want to hear jack shiat from the "they have a right to defend themselves" and "its for peaceful purposes" and "no blood for oil" crowds.....

You forgot "Civil rights don't matter when you're dead."

Asa Phelps

OK, line up to call me anti-american.

Iran has a right to defend itself.

Maybe. Butnot with nuclear weapons. Iran is a signatory to the NPT. There are formal procedures for a country to back out. If they really feel they need nukes, let them do so publically. No more of this "yes we are, no we're not" BS. Declare to the world your intentions.

Pakistan has nukes and for some reason we're OK with that, even though we sometimes accuse them of harboring terrorists.

No, we're not really OK with that. It is, however, a different situation, calling for a different solution.

Dancin_In_Anson: North Korea may have gotten nuc technology from Pakistan, (as well as USSR and China) but they have done their own homework in the delivery systems. Which they are selling around the world.

one is selling delivery, the other sold nukes.

one is an enemy, the other an ally.

kinda hard to make any sense of our current foriegn policy, especially in relation to pakistan. 'enemy of our enemy is our friend' was shiatty policy....'the friends of our enemies is our friend' takes it to a whole new level.

Let's give all the wacky Arabs the bomb! Why not? What harm could it do? They are just trying to live their lives like humans do.

[/sarcasm]

This must be stopped.

tchamber: Strange that the only sources for this info are the Israeli press and Mossad. No, not biased at all.

omg itz the joooooooos!!!

So says the Israeli defense chief.

First scares over Iran's not-so-super "super torpedoes". Then intelligence from a nuclear-armed state that still prefers us to do their dirty work.

This smells awfully familiar.

Oldiron_79

When Jeruselem , Paris, Berlin, Rome, and London are glass parking lots

Thats not going to happen.

Dang. I thought Iran promised to only buy missiles from the USA.

Does this mean Reagan and Ollie North have to send the hostages back?

tchamber

If the story is factually true, then what difference does it make if the source is known to be biased or not?

Asa Phelps:

Iran has an ability to rain down hot atomic death on its neighbors already

a missle that could hit europe means Iran is trying to exert larger global influence

Robobagpiper: So says the Israeli defense chief.

It's not like Iran's been acting up or publicly said that's what they were doing

But don't worry, they're only for peaceful civillian purposes

It's about time someone took an honest, fair look at this issue. Thank you submitter for setting the record straight.

Tatsuma: sharing nuclear secrets with everyone

Hey, information wants to be free!

Oldiron_79: When Jeruselem , Paris, Berlin, Rome, and London are glass parking lots I don't want to hear jack shiat from the "they have a right to defend themselves" and "its for peaceful purposes" and "no blood for oil" crowds......


deal!

Robobagpiper
This smells awfully familiar.

I hear Iran has rape rooms.

LandOfChocolate: Hey, information wants to be free!

they'll give it for free as long as you pay the transportation fees of 30M euros

Action Replay Nick:Hey, Axis of Evil and all.

Cause or effect?

Marcus Aurelius

So when do I get MY nukes? I have a Second Amendment right to nuclear weapons, damnit, and this government is denying me my constitutional perrogative.

No, it isn't. You are using what is called "The Nuclear Strawman".

Iran WILL get the bomb, and the Mullahs would LOVE to get hit by US and/or Israeli forces - then they'd have the whole country behind them, screaming for revenge. They'd be as popular as Bush was on 9/12. Try invading THAT.

Why would invasion be necessary? All you really have to do is stop the program. Bomb the facilities, destroy the material, and fly home. The Isrealis did that to Iraq, and set their program back quite a number of years. They didn't need to invade.


As for worrying about what Iran will do, well Iran can't project power. We can. All we have to do is prevent oil shipments from Iran from reaching other countries, and we can shut down their economy. That would cause unrest in Iran eventually.

By the way, from all indications I have heard the younger generation of Iranians don't have the vitriolic hatred of the US that their fathers have, and in fact don't particularly care for their own government, either.

Can't reach America?

Let the Europeans deal with it. They've been armchair quarterbacking for long enough, let them out on the front lines. Maybe they'll all fold as easily as the Spanish did, electing the subway bombers out of fear of more attacks.

Marcus,

If Iran sends a nuclear warhead to Israel or anywhere else, we won't have to worry about invading--just moving our troops in Afghanistan out of prevailing wind patterns.

the other an ally.

Correction. Musharraf is an ally.

Pakistan's intelligence services are thick with not only Al-Quaida sympathizers, but the people who organized Al-Quaida and the Taliban in the first place.

And all it takes is one bullet and they're in power.

Occams_Electric_Razor is right. Pakistan is the real threat. All Iran does is make a lot of noise (and albo, they were invaded by Iraq, not the other way around).

Don't worry about the dog that always barks. Worry about the one that never barks.

control: I hear Iran has rape rooms.

are you making fun of the fact that there were no rape rooms in Iraq?

Because there were, we discovered plenty

No doubt there are torture and rape rooms in Teheran too. Just like most countries in the middle east who are not democracies and don't rhyme with "rael"

Tatsuman

Missiles able to reach europe, sharing nuclear secrets with everyone

What a bunch of lovely fellows, these mullahs

And all that from a . . .

a . . .

ZIONIST!

Shame on you and your high-fallutin' zionist self.

antifuse

Oh boy... just what I want to hear. The country whose president very recently said "We're going to wipe Israel off the map" now has nuclear-capable (m)issles. How long before the mushroom cloud is seen rising above Jerusalem?

About 15 minutes before the mushroom cloud over Tehran.

/Even Iranians aren't that stupid.

Let's just be calm here...continue and open dialogue...wait 'til a Democrat is in office...and then they'll have a missile that will hit the US.