So we're outsourcing meth now?

Maybe it is a good thing that I have to carry a card that says Nyquil in order to purchase it at Target.

/Glad to help America
//drtfa

I decided to read the article. It appears the Mexican variety is cheaper and stronger. I still support the toting the card. It seems like a minor triviality if it helps stop local labs. Sounds like we need to devise a gameplan on the Mexican supply side, though.

Good, let them poison and blow up their own neighborhoods.

Mexico is looking more and more like...not our friend. Mexican military crossing out borders, this and countless other things.

"The state asks how the decrease in meth labs has reduced danger to citizens, and it has, as far as potential explosions. But we've had a lot of burglaries where the occupants are home at the time, and that's probably more of a risk. So it's kind of evening out."

How many people have ever been injured by a potential explosion? That's the dumbest thing I've read today.

Having tried the law-enforcement route, some state lawmakers are now looking to demand reduction as a way to fight their meth problem. "We've increased penalties, we've increased prison time, we're still not getting in front of it," said Iowa state Representative Clel Baudler.

You mean the same tactics that have failed to reduce demand of cocaine, heroin, marijuana, and every other street drug also failed to reduce demand for speed? That's curious.

hey garypdx, what the fark do you have against capitalism?

this *IS* the free market, if you want socialism move back to russia.

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I don't think you know me very well.

it's not that hard, there's a market demand for meth, they are the suppliers.

we have a demand for illegal farm workers, they are the suppliers.

post after post you come here and biatch and moan for the government to rescue you without realizing that the market demands exactly this.

2006-01-23 06:35:17 PM sgt.baker [TotalFark]

it's not that hard, there's a market demand for meth, they are the suppliers.

we have a demand for illegal farm workers, they are the suppliers.

post after post you come here and biatch and moan for the government to rescue you without realizing that the market demands exactly this.

Drug trade and shooting at our border agents is capitalism? Ummm, you really aren't making any sense.

GaryPDX,

Drug trade and shooting at our border agents is capitalism?

The drug trade is a perfect example of capitalism.

There is a strong demand for drugs.

Drug manufacturers produce drugs.

Drug manufacturers sell drugs, at a profit, to people that want drugs.

i give up. i obliged in providing you with reasons, i am not obligated to explain them to you.

stay there, keep holding your hand out, maybe bush will give you a handout and solve your problems.

5000_gallons_of_toothpaste: Good, let them poison and blow up their own neighborhoods.


Can I get an AMEN?!

Actually, I'd prefer it was legal but that's for another time

How about legalizing Meth? Make safe labs, guarantee purity, tax the crap out of it, use tax money to treat people who can't take drugs responsibly. Problems (mostly) solved. It'd be better than locking up tons of people and supporting drug smugglers.

Why is it that people generally seem to include "taxing the crap/hell/shiat" out of drugs as one of the prerequisites for legalization?

Why not just put the normal sales tax on it and be done with it?

GaryPDX: I don't think you know me very well.

Congratulations, you've just been trolled.



/Danger: troll crossing!

SchlingFo Why is it that people generally seem to include "taxing the crap/hell/shiat" out of drugs as one of the prerequisites for legalization?

Why not just put the normal sales tax on it and be done with it?

OMFG. We're just saying we would be willing to put up with that ridiculousness over the current state of ridiculousness. If only drugs were less harmful than toxic dumping, fossil fuels, politicians--why God, why must you make the things I do like so destructive?? You right wing wing nut. (That last is an aside to Allah, not part of my response.)

Oh, and for the record. I don't like meth. Man made.

SchlingFo: Why is it that people generally seem to include "taxing the crap/hell/shiat" out of drugs as one of the prerequisites for legalization?


Because it pleases those who frown on recreational drugs and would thus create support for the program. Actually if the tax is too high, then you would again encourage smuggling, so I should probably have just added "tax modestly to support addiction programs"

2006-01-23 06:49:40 PM SchlingFo [TotalFark]

Why is it that people generally seem to include "taxing the crap/hell/shiat" out of drugs as one of the prerequisites for legalization?

Why not just put the normal sales tax on it and be done with it?

It's one of those contriband categories like alcohol and tobacco. They can charge more.

Scrophuous Barking Duck,

Compromise:

We legalize drugs

They put a higher tax on drugs and lower our income taxes since we don't have to pay for any more military incursions by the DEA.

Barfly420: You mean the same tactics that have failed to reduce demand of cocaine, heroin, marijuana, and every other street drug also failed to reduce demand for speed? That's curious.

That just made me laugh so hard I almost hurled.

I've always been a big fan of the idea of tainting meth somehow so that it turns the user blue. This way we can easily identify approaching tweekers and take proper corrective action.

GaryPDX

2006-01-23 06:49:40 PM SchlingFo [TotalFark]

Why is it that people generally seem to include "taxing the crap/hell/shiat" out of drugs as one of the prerequisites for legalization?

Why not just put the normal sales tax on it and be done with it?

It's one of those contriband categories like alcohol and tobacco. They can charge more.

I wouldn't have a problem with an increased tax on drugs. Not a ridiculous tax that would make black market drugs look like a good alternative, but something reasonable; if they wanted to charge, say, double the normal sales tax to help funnel some money into social programs that could help educate the public about responsible drug use, or help people with addiction problem that want to quit, that sounds like a good idea to me.

But for God's sake, legalize and regulate them so we can end this asinine drug war.

abdul

They're already dyeing them pink.

So Americans can blame Mexicans for the inflow of meth, and Colombians for cocaine. Does this give Canadians the right to blame Americans for the inflow of illegal guns here?

/jus' wonderin' s'all

soze: Nice! Thanks for the info. It's so great so see a plan come together.

um.. *to see. Yeah.

sermon

Hi there. I was in my prime doper days in the 70s and I took a lot of weird shiat. But even in the heart of the druggy cult, there were two things that even the stupidest doper knew not to take: heroin and meth.

/end sermon

I think I'll do some bong hits before commenting on this thread.

the 909 production slowed down?

I was talking to a former cop Saturday night, and telling him I didn't understand why we didn't legalize drugs. When I said it would give the gangs less to fight about, he said, the gangs will still be there, because we'd make the drugs a controlled substance, and right now, there's a black market for controlled substances (like Ritalin).

So, I guess I'm for removing those controls.

I suspect that if we legalized drugs, demand would spike for a couple months, as people went to town, and then level down to normal.

Then we could stop wasting our money on imprisoning people -- my friends who work at a research institute said the percentage of our population in prison has skyrocketed the last few years. It can't be that suddenly, more of us are evil than in previous generations.

What the bloody hell!? Drugs are so common in the US you can't scratch your ass in a club without comming away with some blow, but I still can't get me my opium fix! Boo, Mexican Drug Lords, Booo! Call me when you get me more than a poppy seed bagel.

GaryPDX: I don't think you know me very well.


That doesn't answer the point. Why is it that so many self-described conservatives praise free markets, and the natural and inevitable results of the laws of supply and demand-- but have a curious blank spot when it comes to illegal drugs and those same laws?

It seems like a lot of people who advocate legalizing meth have never tried the stuff, much less been addicted to it.

Better hire more cops, STAT!

Dancin_In_Anson: Can I get an AMEN?!


You hear that giant sucking sound? That's a bunch of American money being siphoned into the pockets of Mexican drug lords.

Whoa whoa whoa, so you're saying somebody in Mexico can do something twice as good as we can here in the good ol' USA?

/maybe they should try that with Fender guitars

In my white trash town a guy was running a meth lab in the back of his truck under a tarp. It ended up exploding at the local sonic, taking out like a 1/4th of the roof covering the cars on that side. He starts driving off with his truck on fire and wrecks it then ran. Jailarity...

Well, finally we can all agree with something: We hate drug lords.

/bet it mexican, colombian, brazilian, german, japanese, etc.

I have never tried meth and I really have no desire to. That being said, the thing I hate most about meth is that now I cannot go to the store and buy a box of Primatene tablets for my asthma without explaining to the retard running the cash register exactly why I am buying it. I should not have to explain my purchace, take the money and shut the fark up, biatch.

Taxing the hell out of drugs would pretty much eliminate one of the many benefits of legalizing them, which is to put mafioso types out of business.

What's the world come to, even the drug lords are outsourcing.

See what OSHA and NAFTA have done, see?

The honest drug makers have been driven out of business.

Let's just see if you get the same quality of meth from anywhere else.

yep, bong hit for me too, then off to bed. I better hit it soon too. This stuff stinks so much my dog is eyeing me with envy.

The Mexican meth is driving up demand in part because it is purer than the homegrown drug.

Knowing the effects of drinking water (outside of the resorts) in Mexico, I'd be skeptical of it being purer.

GratuityIncluded

I have a plan for you. MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS.

And don't tell me it destroys ppls lives or whatever, I bet more ppl still have problems with alcahol still destroys more.

/never done meth
//dont know anyone who does
///wouldnt care if they did

sgt. baker
post after post you come here and biatch and moan for the government to rescue you without realizing that the market demands exactly this.

Just because the market demands something, doesn't mean it's a good idea, or that the market should get its way. The market demands a lot of things that aren't good for the purchasers. The market, for some strange reason, demanded the Ford Pinto. That doesn't mean someone shouldn't have stepped in and told Ford to stop making trick exploding cars.

That said, I think I see where you're coming from - the "war on drugs" is unwinnable and stupid. And I agree with you. I'd go further and say if someone wants to destroy themselves by taking drugs, I really don't care. It's only when your negative actions can hurt OTHER people that I get annoyed.

That's why I feel cocaine should be legal because it doesn't hurt anyone but the guy sniffing it, but cigarettes should be illegal because they hurt everyone near the guy smoking them.

It's also pretty illogical that a highly addictive, mind altering drug that has severe and lasting health effects (tobacco) is legal, but a highly addictive, mind altering drug that has severe and lasting health effects (meth) is not.

Pam EL has it.

"Speed kills." has nothing to do with highway miles-per-hour. When did this get unlearned, anyway?

Meth is some bad shiat, totally farks people up. But it should be legal because people should be free to do what they want to themselves. Didn't the SCOTUS just rule that Oregon's suicide law is legal? That means people can kill themselves if they want to. By the same logic I should be able to do meth if I want to. And no, I don't want to.