Great headline.

Take away their candy bars. They LOVE candy!

Wow, Strasbourg.....borders Germany, and used to be a German city. I would like to see them cross into the German border...shot on sight!

We all know that enforcing a curfew is one of the first things a leader of a democratic country should do.

right?

Teutonic_Knight

No they wouldn't be shot. They wouldn't do anything really.

Germany isn't Nazi anymore you see...

Lets see, 5,000 or so cars burned and they decide to start a curfew? How about passing a law banning the burning of cars? that will teach em!

Why not just politely ask them to stop?

Oh wait, this isn't Canada.

BernardMarx

way to live up the name... but seriously a curfew would be a moderate response at this point.

Granted under NORMAL circumstances a curfew is undesirable... but there's rioting in the streets, this isn't using a curfew to stop some fringe group from protesting.

I mean they're burning thousands of cars...

Great headline.

Wouldn't surprise me either given what a twunt Chirac is.

OK, I don't think a "curfew" is going to stop this. stupid french, they fail to learn from our mistakes.

This is all the fault of those Americna Chopper guys. I saw them on TV last night in France. They were tormenting a mime and making americans look like jacksses in general!

If a mime throws a petrol bomb, and then catches itself on fire, does it make a sound?

OH SNAP!

You know what this thread needs? A photo of France burning with the caption PWN3D across it except make it PWN33 with an accent aigu across the final "3" to make it look French. I'd do it myself but am not situated for Photoshopping.

I heard that French people don't bath. We should kill them all.

They could always collaborate with the Germans and come up with a solution other than a measly curfew.

0lorin

I was not criticizing the curfew , I was criticizing all the people that wanted to enforce a curfew from day 3 , or send in the army.

Have any of the French started blaming the US for their problems yet? If they can manage to blame a HEAT WAVE on Americans, this should be a breeze.

Classic Title!!! I wish someone could Photoshop a copy of the book, with the cover in French!!

BernardMarx:

I was not criticizing the curfew , I was criticizing all the people that wanted to enforce a curfew from day 3 , or send in the army.

SO we are agreed. Big trouble in US, send in the military at once. Big trouble in France, let it mellow.

No wonder nobody is ever teh happy. :(

What they should do is give in to the demands of the rioting youth by expediting aid processes for african immigrants, muslims, and other disaffected portions of the population. They should show a willingness to incorporate them into society, build better housing projects, give them more money and other assistance. That would sure teach them violence isn't the way to get your problems solved.

Guess Chirac got tired of giving them hugs and telling them he forgave them all. Or his mouth just got too sore.

submittar the winnar

Hmmm, lessee .. there's been riots for nearly two weeks straight. I'm by no means a conservative, but I would have had curfews in by 4 or 5 days at the most. I've been on protests and demonstrations galore - this is nothing like that. There doesn't even seem to be any particular objective to it. So yeah, bring on the curfew I say. I know if I was living in France I would be wondering why it didn't happen a week ago.

Tirian

tehcaptainobvious

Why not just politely ask them to stop?

Oh wait, this isn't Canada.

The thing about Canada is that the Canadians would ask them nicely to stop, eh?... and they would!


Ewwww. A Curfew! That will teach those rioters. What they need to do is hold more talks! Talks always work for the Euros, look how well it is working with Iran.

When the Chriac is dead, Magua will eat his heart in a mornay sauce served in a Provencale manner with shallots and aubergines garnished with truffle pate, brandy and with a fried egg on top and spam.

Meh.

I just laugh at Frances complete inability to stop this.

Don't they have an army?

This has been going on for 12 days. The lack of a curfew or any effective response has caused it to spread and get worse.

The obvious next step is that it'll spread world wide and erupt into war and France will need the US to save their asses again.

Afterwards, they'll forget we helped while thousands and millions of them will espouse how they worked in the resistance.

What a bunch of professional world-class pussies.

sed 's/Chriac/Chirac/g'

Although, 'Chriac' is kind of cool, in an 'evil genius' sort of way...

Isn't it spelled "curfieux" in french?

PS submitter the loser. I submitted the same article yesterday under a different link as

Ze Fronch ev declared un curfieux. Viva la revolucion!

/Fark hates me.

vive les Musulmans libres!

This is Canadian for "Eat shiat, De Gaulle."

What we need to do, is nuke 'em!
Turn all of France into a big glass parking lot! Wooo!

Now what's all this about riots?

Hopefully the hot link works...

The problem with most of the western world at this point is the desire to appear 'civilized'. So every time there's an emergency, everyone stands around wringing their hands and whining. Evil reigns supreme when the good do nothing. The cops should have been kicking punk ass the first night that trouble started. If the cops can't handle it, bring in the military. But one way or the other, they must restore order.

And you hear Chirac yell:
"Go away, or I shall taunt you a second time!"

"Instead of fighting spam, we should be fighting the rioters, who are angry young people destroying property in France, a country in Europe"

/First Romero
//But it's a little different, right?

Urban renewal.

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Altough there are strong suspicions extremist islamic groups are fueling the fire, and providing assistance to some groups, I must point out that local muslim clerics and youth groups have been instrumental in preventing several clashes with police. These riots have (up to now) very little religious tones, if any at all.

Tirian
Instauring a curfew before the situation had REALLY gone bad would have been a political suicide. Plus it would just have added fuel to the fire, angering residents who would have stayed neutral otherwise. The law authorizing curfews was passed in 55, and has been used only ONCE since.

forcebender
Chirac is an asshole and a thief, who only got reelected because the leftists parties in France have become mostly irrelevant (a result of countless years of cronyism, incompetence, disloyalty and generally not-pulling-their-fingers-out-of-their-asses). He's chosen a government of imbeciles whose only virtue is to make him appear a genius by acting even dumber than he is.

And of course, let's not forget Nicolas Sarkozy, our oh-so-efficient Ministry of Interior, whose borderline racist comments and gung-ho attitude has all but created the current situation.

Two elections coming up in 2007 - parliamentary and presidential. Either things will change radically, or it won't be just cars burning. My bet ? Fire, baby, fire...

12 Days of that shait and now they try something.

/read where the police 'union' wanted the military brought in. (buy stock in 'depends')

Is the curfew being used, really, to curb violence or surendering (during non-business hours)?

Is it still the Official French National Defense 'Weapon' of choice to 'fart in their general direction' still advised with all those 'open flames'? and fires?

/can someone change their heritage? If so I claim, ah, mm, some other country. Maybe Greece. Or Transylvania. Or Kenya. Or Columbia.

From a blog that I read last night:

"France declares its first night of curfew. All police must be off the streets by dark."

Archui: The obvious next step is that it'll spread world wide and erupt into war and France will need the US to save their asses again. Afterwards, they'll forget we helped while thousands and millions of them will espouse how they worked in the resistance. What a bunch of professional world-class pussies.


I hope you stay in NYS, little boy. Americans don't need you spreading your faux tough-guy, uninformed, imitative nonsense around Europe as if you speak for any of the rest of us.

I think the French translation comes out to:
Pet My Goat

/

France's biggest Muslim fundamentalist organization, the Union for Islamic Organizations of France, issued a fatwa, or religious decree, that forbade all those "who seek divine grace from taking part in any action that blindly strikes private or public property or can harm others."

So apparently organized, deliberate destruction is ok, so long as you allow anyone who might be inside the vehicle/building to get out first.

Amazing. Could a fatwa be issued renouncing all violence? Or couldn't they find something in Koran that allows that?

fada

I expect the government of France to swing hard Right in 2007. Things will be messy for a while after that, but those buring things should be aware they they are only setting up the conditions by which things will be worse off, not better, in the end.

--h

Good Luck, France/People of France.

Bullshyte like this sucks, wherever it happens.

/never buy the arguement that society can keep hard workers down.

People need to look to themselves, instead of always blaming the dang gone government.

2005-11-08 08:39:54 AM Nolondil

The problem with most of the western world at this point is the desire to appear 'civilized'. So every time there's an emergency, everyone stands around wringing their hands and whining. Evil reigns supreme when the good do nothing. The cops should have been kicking punk ass the first night that trouble started. If the cops can't handle it, bring in the military. But one way or the other, they must restore order.

Can French citizens own firearms? If this happened in the US and it was handled as it was in France, would citizens be busting caps at rioters by now? Would it reduce the problem, or make it worse?

Can this situation be compared to the LA riots?

Not baiting, just wondering what everyone thinks.

Yes, because lawless youths who torch and firebomb cars will certainly heed the call to stay indoors after dark.... Good symbolic gesture there Chirac... just call in the troops, round em all up, send em to the guillotine or deport em back to where they belong

fada: Instauring a curfew before the situation had REALLY gone bad would have been a political suicide. Plus it would just have added fuel to the fire, angering residents who would have stayed neutral otherwise. The law authorizing curfews was passed in 55, and has been used only ONCE since.

/"Really gone bad.."? Wouldn't it then be too late? OK. How many lives or $$ constitutes bad?
/'political suicide? Better to look good and loose..?
/"angered neutral residents"? may be that wouldn't be so bad?
/"law used once since '55.."? I'm gonna cut-you-slack and not ask if it was used on some 'angry garbage collectors' or the Euro-Disney opening.

Your login is "Barricaded Gunman" and you call me a faux tough-guy, uninformed, little boy?!??!?!?

My only point was that unless you (France) show a little backbone and grow a pair, people will walk all over you... in droves... for 12+ days.

If you don't enforce the laws that are in place, you only encourage contempt for the law.

/you might also invest in a dictionary
//look up "humor", "joke", "irony" and "sarcasm"
///are you posting after your curfew?
////waves dismissively

I dunno. There's enough of the bleeding heart liberal in me that wants to applaud Chirac's efforts not to get mediaeval on their asses, however misguided.

Archui: //look up "humor", "joke", "irony" and "sarcasm"


Even if I charitably spot you the other three, can you point me to the "irony" in your post? Words are fun, and some of them mean specific things. When I "invest in a dictionary" would you like me to pick one up for you, too?


/The more you know...

GTStang

Yes, because lawless youths who torch and firebomb cars will certainly heed the call to stay indoors after dark.... Good symbolic gesture there Chirac...

Well, not exactly... The main purpose of a curfew is to give a general power of preventive arrest to the police. This way, if you see people in the streets when they are not supposed to, you don't ask question, you detain them, since surburbial parents have resigned their authority.

Now, I can see massively overcrowded prisons and prison riots, leading to global anarchy all over France. *praying for massive influenza to cleanse our country*

Personal : looking for a US citizen farkette willing to cope with a French guy for a green card, I can cook, I shower every day (and even each month with some soap)

Archui
If you don't enforce the laws that are in place, you only encourage contempt for the law.

I do totally agree with that. unfortunatly, it is not up to private citizens to kick-start our asshats governement ;-(

"My Pet Goat" will forever be synonymous with a politician waiting to long to start an emergency task.