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(Hal Turner) Scary China to attack U.S. with biological weapons in near future, according to their defense minister   (halturnershow.com) divider line 312
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XXIV_Corps 2005-08-20 09:08:51 AM  
From his main page:
" Today, The Hal Turner Show has learned China has replaced Chi Haotian with General Cao Gangchuan of the People's Liberation Army (PLA)

While it presently cannot be confirmed that Chi Haotian was replaced for revealing China's secret war plans, it is clear he has been replaced.
"

Oooops.

 
ignoranceisnotblissworld 2005-08-20 09:09:31 AM  
WTF? Is this guy like Art Bell?

 
Dusk-You-n-Me [TotalFark] 2005-08-20 09:14:18 AM  
Well this just kills my decade.

 
Fredster [TotalFark] 2005-08-20 09:15:44 AM  
Also from Hal Turner's front page:

REMINDER: I WILL BE AT "ARYANFEST"
IN PORTLAND, OREGON THIS WEEKEND!
Stop by to say hello and enjoy this gathering of regular, law-abiding white people, celebrating our White, Western European heritage!!

 
Heroic Poser 2005-08-20 09:19:34 AM  
Great! Now we're gonna have to pronounce it Nukree-er.

 
slobarnuts 2005-08-20 09:19:43 AM  
Check out what wikipedia has to say

and why is it that he is the only one reporting it?

 
mediaho 2005-08-20 09:20:25 AM  
I haven't finished RingTFA yet but damn. Any other sources?

 
slobarnuts 2005-08-20 09:20:53 AM  
* about hal turner.

Afterward, Turner had a reported "epiphany," deciding the political system was rigged against white men and abandoning all ties to the mainstream.

 
flappusmaximus 2005-08-20 09:22:55 AM  
That sounds scary.

 
ookdalibrarian 2005-08-20 09:24:55 AM  
This is what happens when your tinfoil is wrapped too tight around the head. The hats SHOULD be loose people.

0ok

 
Flyinglemur [TotalFark] 2005-08-20 09:25:04 AM  
Fredster,

I had copied the same thing. If this doesn't speak to his jounalistic integrity, I don't know what can.

 
slobarnuts 2005-08-20 09:26:24 AM  
http://news.google.com.au/news?q=Chi%20Haotian&svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&sa= N&tab=in

The only other people reporting anything about it are the Epoch Times, which in the end is about as ideologically driven as the chinese government paper.

 
heap 2005-08-20 09:29:54 AM  
hmmm

i don't know anything about the 'epoch times', but it is a little odd when there's not only no other corroborating stories...but only one other site even has mention of the central players name.

is this one of those things where we're trolling to see if anybody picks fark headlines and runs with them like they're real news?

 
Fredster [TotalFark] 2005-08-20 09:29:58 AM  
Flyinglemur: If this doesn't speak to his jounalistic integrity, I don't know what can.

I'm doubly embarrassed, because I'm the submitter. I submitted it after following a link, reading the speech, and then not looking around his site. I figured he was a tinfoiler, but didn't expect the rabid racism / anti-Semitism. I reported the thread to the modmins, so it may vanish.

 
heap 2005-08-20 09:30:35 AM  
so...yah, what slobarnuts said.

 
slayer199 [TotalFark] 2005-08-20 09:30:41 AM  
Seems like they'd be cutting off their nose to spite their face. The Western World keeps China's communist government afloat (because Communism is not self-sustaining).

 
SpinStopper [TotalFark] 2005-08-20 09:30:44 AM  
We the descendents of the Chinese nation are entitled to the possession of the land!

Sorry yellow man, but me part red man. Me say you go f*ck yourself. And here's your goddamned eggroll back.

 
TheChaz 2005-08-20 09:32:26 AM  
This is the same guy who was advocating killing the pinellas county sheriffs a few months ago during the Schiavo drama. The FBI & Pinellas County got calls from a number of Farkers the night that article hit TF.

 
mediaho 2005-08-20 09:39:30 AM  
Hoo boy. This Hal Turner fellow is quite a piece of work. As a white person, let me just say that there is no one at "Aryanfest" that represents me. Then again, I'm a monkey-faced Irishman so they probably wouldn't like me either.

 
Flyinglemur [TotalFark] 2005-08-20 09:39:33 AM  
I hope this doesn't disappear...I think it is important to see that there are still morans out there that would advertise "For whites only" web hosting. Seriously, I understand that if you are a racist you are a total and complete asshat, but whites only webhosting? WTF?????

 
Fredster [TotalFark] 2005-08-20 09:42:15 AM  
You should read the comments his readers leave. Sad that people still think this way.

/lives in Alabama, knows all about people thinking this way

 
slobarnuts 2005-08-20 09:43:32 AM  
from the main page:

Read our news coverage, our BRUTAL Commentary and rich Satire below, then listen by clicking the LISTEN LIVE logo at the top right of this page. Get your FREE "Winamp" Media Player Here:


So this would be the satire then right?


ughh, i feel dirty just looking that site.

 
keylock71 2005-08-20 09:50:53 AM  
From the wikipedia link above:

In 2000, Turner sought the local Republican nomination for election in his local assembly district but lost to a Hispanic.

Well, that must have put his tighty whiteys in a bunch...

 
Weaps [TotalFark] 2005-08-20 09:57:18 AM  
Hmm, I don't buy that a Chinese politician would admit all that stuff to the people. Stuff like "This is the excellent fruition of our Partys work in propaganda and education over the past few decades." He was denouncing the European propaganda in the first few paragraphs. No politician would ever admit that what they are practicing is propaganda, and certainly not in the same speech. And that's just a tiny little example from skimming the text.

Looks like a whole new level of bullshiat.

 
mediaho 2005-08-20 10:01:02 AM  
Weaps: No politician would ever admit that what they are practicing is propaganda

Oh yea? ;-)

Fredster: You should read the comments his readers leave.

These are just amazing. What farking century is this again?

 
Weaps [TotalFark] 2005-08-20 10:07:48 AM  
mediaho: Oh yea? ;-)


Oh, sorry, I meant no smart politician would admit all that.

 
JamesBong 2005-08-20 10:20:41 AM  
Ok, white male speaking here.

Why are we giving this racist asshat a podium?

 
AttackBeta 2005-08-20 10:24:49 AM  
Can anyone here translate the chinese at the bottom of the pager or gain a source on this?

 
logistic 2005-08-20 10:28:15 AM  
If a racist says the sky is blue, does that make it a falsehood?

You guys seriously think this is completely falsified? You all truly think China could not/does not consider the US to be it's prime enemy?

I hate war, hate warmongering, hate all of it, but even I know that China will not sit and collapse without a fight....

 
slobarnuts 2005-08-20 10:32:46 AM  
You guys seriously think this is completely falsified? You all truly think China could not/does not consider the US to be it's prime enemy?

I know this, but i know they arent this stupid. This would be a collosal PR blunder.

 
cunning_linguist_dc [TotalFark] 2005-08-20 10:35:29 AM  
i am working my way through the chinese transcript, but am doing so only for practice -- not because i give any credence to the article. that is all.

 
Dansker 2005-08-20 10:39:10 AM  
AttackBeta:

Can anyone here translate the chinese at the bottom of the pager or gain a source on this?

Here's what Babelfish gets out of the first few lines:
Author: Time three person of lines
[ great era on August 1 news ] to returns to consciousness just before dying, the Chinese Communist Party concealed one's abilities it prepares the way which many years weekend crazy gambling plan spoke to upcast in the Internet. This speech "is walking by the war to us" (sees one of appendices), "the war is not far to us, it is the Chinese century midwife" (sees second appendix) to compose, echoes as well as in the subject logic continuity from the context may determine two Wen Quexi sisters. Two spoke the comprehensive system exhaustively to narrate Chinese Communist Party in the recent 20 years, to withered the severe winter from the dreary rope autumn wind, it with had no alternative to death destiny being afraid of, as well as unwillingly perished with the life-and-death resistance. Specially, two speeches leans from the aspiration sues to the secret room, nakedly gives a straightforward account takes in everything at a glance, regarding the common people clearly understood the canned food Chinese Communist Party is evil , is a rare evil spirit . Read this , the Chinese Communist Party thought thinks and the every word and deed hole if ! In brief, two speeches is worth the author as soon as commenting, the reader as soon as reads. First, a steel hoodlum bets the world Earth villagers like to be worthless


Babelfish is more amusing than helpful here, but after having translated a few random bits from the chinese text, it doesn't seem to be the speach quoted by Hal Turner, but a critical article about the Chinese communist party.

 
Flyinglemur [TotalFark] 2005-08-20 10:40:32 AM  
logistic,
If a racist says the sky is blue, does that make it a falsehood?

No, a racist would say "The sky used to be red before the Jews made it blue. As soon as we get all the Spics out of the country and send the Coloreds back to Africa we can finish up 'The Plan' and get the sky back to Red, the way God made it for all of us Perfect White Folks."

 
Dansker 2005-08-20 10:45:59 AM  
...and maybe I should just wait for cunning_linguist_dc to do his thing before talking out of my ass.

 
Riche [TotalFark] 2005-08-20 10:46:53 AM  



Silly article. If the Chineese wanted to fark over the United States, they would simply dump their dollar reserves and U.S. T-Bills onto the world market.

Such an action would do FAR more damage then just about any bioattack.

They won't do it, though. The Chineese government may be heartless, but they are rational. Such an action would hurt their country even worse than it would ours.

As for Tiawan, though... If they tried to invade (after building up their ability to move troops over to the island, of course) There's an increasing chance the U.S. won't do anything about it-- our econmies are just too intertwined.

Unless...I wonder if it's possible to be in armed conflict with a country while continuing to do massive amounts of trade with it? I somehow doubt that, but if it's at all possible, such a conflict would happen between China and the U.S.

Now that would be an interesting conflict to read about in the history books.

 
Flyinglemur [TotalFark] 2005-08-20 10:53:55 AM  
Unless...I wonder if it's possible to be in armed conflict with a country while continuing to do massive amounts of trade with it? I somehow doubt that, but if it's at all possible, such a conflict would happen between China and the U.S.

It would be interesting to see how Walmart handled that.

 
Weaps [TotalFark] 2005-08-20 11:02:42 AM  
Riche: Now that would be an interesting conflict to read about in the history books.


Naw, after losing the battle and the formation of the Alliance I'd just get myself a small cargo ship, hire a crew, and spend too much time cruising around the outer systems to be readin' any history books.

 
Zenken13 [TotalFark] 2005-08-20 11:11:15 AM  
Flyinglemur: It would be interesting to see how Walmart handled that.


"Uh, hi. Mexico? Cool...this is Walmart. Can we chat? What's that? Brazil is there too? biatchin'. Put me on speaker."

 
brap [TotalFark] 2005-08-20 11:20:02 AM  
Um, forgetting the word "former" before "Defense Minister" just eroded the guys credibility a wee little bit. Looking through his site just a bit and you'll notice he's one of those fat microphallused whack jobs that stirs the pot of shiat so he can get likeminded jack-offs riled up. Unless you've been asleep for the last decade you know, it's all the rage in talk radio. That and the look at the lesbos roll around on my couch, which also makes for great radio there Einstein. Of course the Aryan circle-jerk that the guy will be attending is the frosting on the delicious nut-cake that this tool is serving up.

This is the equivalent of someone posting Reagan's "The bombing starts in five minutes" on the internet and saying it's "U.S. policy" and using it as justification for pre-emptively turning the U.S. into a glass parking lot. Fear mongering.

Somebody needs to send this guy the script to "Red Dawn" so he can sound the alarm and spread the news. Get Swayze and the kids to pop out of the ground and save us all pronto!

I haven't been this ashamed to be a farker since, well, yesterday's Mexican Turtle Egg misogy-fest.

This speech has been flying around on the fringes of the internet for a while now. The Chinese also realize that their fringe nut-jobs can play an important role in the propaganda wars.

Oh, but forward this message to everyone you know and win a free I-pod.

 
Dansker 2005-08-20 11:20:34 AM  

For what it's worth, here is Chi Haotian's official statements on Chinese military policy, from a speach in Japan in 1998:

China is committed to safeguarding world peace and promoting the progress of mankind. China does not pursue hegemony, invasion, or expansion; does not form military alliance with any other country; and does not garrison troops or build military bases abroad. We oppose arms race, and advocate effective disarmament and arms control in accordance with a principle that is fair, rational, comprehensive, and balanced.

China's defense building is not directed at any other countries nor will it pose any threat to them. China will never become a superpower and will never seek hegemony. Defending the national independence, sovereignty, unity and security, promoting the reform and opening-up and the development of the national economy, and safeguarding peace and stability in the neighboring region and the rest of the world constitute the core and substance of China's national defense policy.

As of today, China is the only nation that has solemnly undertaken not to be the first to use nuclear weapons at any time and in any circumstance and unconditionally not to use or threaten to use nuclear weapons against non-nuclear-weapons states or nuclear-weapon-free zones. China has consistently advocated the complete prohibition and thorough destruction of nuclear weapons and stands for realizing comprehensive banning of nuclear tests in the process of reaching this goal. China has suspended nuclear testing effective 30 July 1996.

China made this decision in response to the legitimate demands of the vast number of nuclear-free nations and it also constitutes a concrete action on China's part to advance nuclear disarmament. The Chinese government and people will, together with governments and peoples around the world, work for the early realization of the lofty goal of building a world free from nuclear weapons and she will do all she can to safeguard worldwide, long-lasting peace and universal security.

 
strangeguitar 2005-08-20 11:23:10 AM  
China attacked me with bio-weapons last weekend at "Magic Panda Garden". That Kung Pao Beef is frickin' harsh.

 
uncletrout 2005-08-20 11:36:26 AM  

 
AttackBeta 2005-08-20 11:40:00 AM  
No, a racist would say "The sky used to be red before the Jews made it blue. As soon as we get all the Spics out of the country and send the Coloreds back to Africa we can finish up 'The Plan' and get the sky back to Red, the way God made it for all of us Perfect White Folks

Just a point here. Racists aren't just white.

 
Flyinglemur [TotalFark] 2005-08-20 11:45:18 AM  
AttackBeta,

I understand that, its just that as a white male I usually only hear from the white Racists. Its amzing how most of them think that just because I am white I was inbred as well and they just start spewing out their crap, ending with "Am I right?"

 
AttackBeta 2005-08-20 11:48:08 AM  
Flyinglemur

No kidding. A moment of silent, cold-staring, followed by a "No, you're an idiot." Usually does the trick in sending them into an apoplectic rage.

 
heap 2005-08-20 12:22:19 PM  
Flyinglemur: Its amzing how most of them think that just because I am white I was inbred as well and they just start spewing out their crap, ending with "Am I right?"

indeed...what floors me about that situation is...i can't stifle the facial expression one iota while someone is off on a tangent like this....and they invariably end it exactly as you mentioned. 'am i right'? it's as if they expect a 'haaalllejuh, amen, preaaaach it brother!' chorus to follow their every idiotic statement.

you'd think me making the 'dog being taught algebra' face would be enough to kill the conversation, but it usually isn't.

i did get to return the favor (of the facial expression) once, tho. a coworker of my father's went off on a jew-jew-jew-i-hate-the-jew-jew-jew verbal masturbation tangent during a company picnic many moons ago. i'd earlier noticed a big honkin' silver cross hanging on his neck... i couldn't resist.

'you do know jesus was a jew, right?'

it was like that simple fact had never even occurred to him prior. not to say that's the only time i've ever taken the wind out of somebody's sail, but i think that's the only time i've ripped the sail down, wiped my ass on it, and shoved it down somebody's throat.

 
Flyinglemur [TotalFark] 2005-08-20 12:33:08 PM  
heap

I love the "Jesus was a liberal Jew" tshirt from tshirt hell (I think).

 
Snarfangel [TotalFark] 2005-08-20 12:33:53 PM  
Hey, China --

Russia's closer -- adjacent, in fact. If you really want lebensraum, it would be easier to move west than it would east.

That, plus the fact that we spent half a century trying to figure out every nightmare scenario involving the Soviets that we could think of, I'm pretty sure that any attack by an enemy with a definite home address would meet with swift retaliation, no matter how you tried to disguise it.

Of course, the Russians did the same thing, so perhaps the best thing for you to do if you want to secure the future for China is set your sights on space rather than trying to take over real estate here on Earth.

 
slobarnuts 2005-08-20 01:01:32 PM  
I think i found the source.



Anyone else who did the translation is that what you found as well?

When i did bablesfish translations i found basically the exact same transcript.

Three google results come up pretty consistently.


It seems they all lifted it from Epoch Times.

And here is the Article from the Epoch Times


Author: Three Person of Lines. wtf?

How did he link it to this guy?

Quick Translation of the text on the website from the headline:


Author: Time three person of lines ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- [ great era on August 1 news ] to returns to consciousness just before dying, the Chinese Communist Party concealed one's abilities it prepares the way which many years weekend crazy gambling plan spoke to upcast in the Internet. This speech "is walking by the war to us" (sees one of appendices), "the war is not far to us, it is the Chinese century midwife" (sees second appendix) to compose, echoes as well as in the subject logic continuity from the context may determine two Wen Quexi sisters.




Also here is another

how did he attribute it to the chinese minister guy?

I cant find any full and actual and i mean LITERAL translation whatsoever with google.

Which leaves his translation suspect.

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%22caters+to+the+Chinese+Comm unist+Party+%22&meta=

Nothing

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%22Jiang+Zemin+caters+to+the+ Chinese+Communist+Party+%22&meta=

nothing

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%22comments+the+rank+smell%22 &meta=

nothing

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%22Person+of+three+lines%22&m eta=

nothing on topic.

So to me, his attributions and translations are suspect at the moment, unless i am missing something.

 
slobarnuts 2005-08-20 01:09:57 PM  
Woops, linked wrong for the Google Results

 
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