Don't forget, also there's a magical invisible man in the sky who, unless you do exactly what he wants, will banish you to eternal torture and suffering.

But, he loves you.

"cars run on magic"

Comedy gold.

Native Americans come from Israel

Hey, it's in the Book of Mormon.

Le sigh..........


silly new earth theory.

I submitted this with a...much less funny headline. Good stuff.

You forgot "Speed of light is infinite".

Im from Israel?

Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb.

/South Park

I was eating lunch with some paleontologists one day and one of those super-christian, bible-thumping guys came up to us and started telling us how the earth is only 5,000 years old, and how God greated fossils and placed them in the ground for us to find. When we asked him about carbon dating and other methods of determining how the age of materials is analyzed, he said God greated the carbon atoms partly decayed so that the fossils only appeared to be old. But basically everything was created in 6 days about 5,000 years ago. What an asshat.

This is simply an irrelevant topic.

I'd really like to know how the method of creation of the Grand Canyon is really relevant to any of our lives. We've seen these threads a hundred times, and each of them turns into Christian-bashing flamewars.

How is it relevant to your life whether the canyon was carved by one big flood recently or many floods over a long period of time? How does it affect you if some Christians choose to enjoy it as a sign of God's glory? And for that matter, how does it affect THEM negatively in any way?

As far as the Bush administration supporting one viewpoint over the other, I'm sure the all-knowing bloggers of the Internet will give them what they deserve -- criticism.

If the flood waters covered the entire Earth, wouldn't the entire planet have similar canyons carved out by the receding waters of the flood?

Come to think of it, do fundies even study fluid dynamics? If they don't. then it's probably pointless to argue with them.

Otherwise, I pretty much agree with what ThatDevGuy said.

hey christians - if you keep your religion out of our science, we'll stop using our science to disprove your religion.

How does it affect you if some Christians choose to enjoy it as a sign of God's glory?

Because it's simply wrong?

Remember kids, give Jesus his props or he'll torture you in hell for eternity!

Oh, I dunno. People who are attached to a little concept called "truth" tend to get kind of bothered by silly people who take things like proven, undoubted, verifiable scientific knowledge and dismiss it out of hand with fallacious arguments and dishonest research, and the fall to the ground and scream "help, help, I'm bein' repressed!" when the honest people of the world take offense and do their best to discredit them. It's just principle. Well, that, and the fact that the last time the world took churches seriously in the realm of scientific knowledge, the world was flat and people who disagreed were tied to logs and set on fire.

I have no problem with people believing that the world is a month old and that dinosaurs were walking around a week ago. What bugs me is why those people then try to use bogus science to convince others. If you want to convert people to your metaphysical dogma, good on you. But leave science out of it.

Um, it is relevant to your life because if it turns out the fundies are right, as unlikely as that is, you have that whole eternal life thing to worry about. Unless of course you want to be burning in hell. All the cool people are there anyway.

i just had to say, thats a great headline.

What does it mean if you read the title as "Grand Theft Canyon..."?

whiskeyinthejar, no, we won't ever stop disproving religion.

it's soo easy

That crazy God, he's so moody.

I really wanted to believe this was fake news.

The whole thing reeks of a really good Monty Python sketch...I'm too lazy to write it now, but in my head...comedy gold!

Do they sell bibles in most bookstores? If so, theyd be under the FICTION section, right?

Devout religious people are rather saddening to me; they're so blind...

God is a joke.

Um, it is relevant to your life because if it turns out the fundies are right, as unlikely as that is, you have that whole eternal life thing to worry about. Unless of course you want to be burning in hell. All the cool people are there anyway.

that's called pascal's wager. it's a crock, because there's nine million other religions out there threatening to send you to hell if you don't believe in them (choose carefully, folks!). it's also the most weasely, spineless reason to believe in a god there is.

2004-10-19 11:52:25 PM ThatDevGuy

This is simply an irrelevant topic.

I'd really like to know how the method of creation of the Grand Canyon is really relevant to any of our lives. We've seen these threads a hundred times, and each of them turns into Christian-bashing flamewars.

How is it relevant to your life whether the canyon was carved by one big flood recently or many floods over a long period of time? How does it affect you if some Christians choose to enjoy it as a sign of God's glory? And for that matter, how does it affect THEM negatively in any way?

As far as the Bush administration supporting one viewpoint over the other, I'm sure the all-knowing bloggers of the Internet will give them what they deserve -- criticism.


Because our government should be furthering the cause of truth, not the cause of religious fundamentalists with an agenda.

The absurdity of this book's claim and the fact that government officials didn't laugh its publisher right out of their offices is sad - and the public should probably know about it before casting their votes in November.

I can't believe people still believe in God.

Is death that scary to you?

I never said it was a good reason.

GuruSarx

What does it mean if you read the title as "Grand Theft Canyon..."?

Probably that you've been spending too much time playing video games and are unsafe behind the wheel.

/Remembers the first time driving after playing GTA3... Mmm, handbrake.

this has to be a joke right?

chakalakasp

What is proven, undoubted, verified, scientific knowledge?

Just asking as, a physics major. Because I was under the impression that Phyics, like most sciences, wasn't necessarily 'the truth' but a framework we constructed to explain the universe in terms we understand. It is not necessarily "the truth". It is a working model . And while it is silly to believe that the grand canyon was carved out by Noah's Flood (although it is interesting that many religions have a flood story), it is also rather silly to claim that science is the One True Truth.

How does it affect you if some Christians choose to enjoy it as a sign of God's glory?

Because eventually a school board in Kansas will want to teach it as the truth.

Bloody difficult being agnostic these days...

Jesus is my mechanic. I swear. I tipped him 5 bucks last X-Mas. He does a mean oil and lube. He also stated his momma weren't no virgin.

© He's prolly never even been to the Grand Canyon, either

erosstip: Don't forget, also there's a magical invisible man in the sky who, unless you do exactly what he wants, will banish you to eternal torture and suffering.

But, he loves you.

That is an excellent way of putting it.

/I only hurt you cause I love you, baby...

//agnostic

How is it relevant to your life whether the canyon was carved by one big flood recently or many floods over a long period of time?

Because I'm curious about the world around me? I'm an environmental scientist, after all.

ThatDevGuy

How is it relevant to your life whether the canyon was carved by one big flood recently or many floods over a long period of time? How does it affect you if some Christians choose to enjoy it as a sign of God's glory?

It doesn't. People can believe whatever crazy things they want.

It does matter when the National Parks Service is using public resources to distribute fundamentalist Christian literature.

Sigh - Here's hoping that soon enough we'll have a President who understands the principle of separation of church and state, and why it's such a good idea. (I'm not saying this story is directly Bush's doing, before I get flamed. But this blurring of the line has been the M.O. of his whole administration).

I refuse to read the article or this thread.

Just Ignorant

Why is God partial to screaming women?

The Bush Administration has decided that it will stand by its approval for a book claiming the Grand Canyon was created by Noahs flood rather than by geologic forces, according to internal documents released today by Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility (PEER).

I'm trying as hard as I can to be unbiased here. Its not working.

Hey, I'm an Episcopalian and if our Priest came up to me and tried to say this with a straight face I think I'd loose it. Years of conditioning would just explode right there in public. Yup. And then would come the taunting...

Eternity in paradise or a mortal lifetime as a sucker...?
Unless Creationists can bring more proof to the table than "the Bible says" or "God told me" I'm going with the theory of Evolution.

M4X0
Devout religious people are rather saddening to me; they're so blind...

Unlike atheists such as yourself, right?

"
I'd really like to know how the method of creation of the Grand Canyon is really relevant to any of our lives"

-How relevant is the idea that the Earth is the center of the Universe and all the stars and planets revolve around it? There are fundies who think that too. How relevant is the TRUTH you ask!? There was a time when people thought the world was flat and the sky was a crystal sphere and the sun was burning coal and truthfully, it didn't affect the average person's life very much. But there were always those few who strived to understand things, that desire separated them from the crowd and it's THEY who push civilization forward. I personally don't want to go back to the freaking Dark Ages even if you do.

And while it is silly to believe that the grand canyon was carved out by Noah's Flood (although it is interesting that many religions have a flood story), it is also rather silly to claim that science is the One True Truth.

on the other hand, science doesn't claim to be the truth. the first thing we learned in my high school science classes was how any theory that was presented could easily be proven wrong at any future point. the history of science is the history of proving itself wrong, and creating a better model in the process. no one who knows anything about science claims that it has all the answers.

religion, on the other hand...

If the earth is only 5000 years old, and the great flood viped everything but a boatload of critters and a few people from the face of our beloved globe, do you know what this mean?
We are all brothers and sisters, or atleast cousins. And o-boy they did a lot of farking after that storm. And humans had multiple families. Think about the animals that there were only two of. And how did he fit the dinosours onto that float of his, they are fricking huge!
I dont want say that creationists are a gang of farking retards, but they are. So I did.

Puto4Life, holy crap.. it must be

A girl that finds perl a turn on? Wow i just got a bulge in my shorts

"The Grand Canyon was carved by Noah's flood..."

Not only that, all the canyon debris and rock floated into space, because this is before the earth had a gravitational field, and them rocks formed the moon. The moon was iron red back then, no pancake bunny on it either. One night the moon got dusted by Ishtar's sugar donut and it's been talcum ever since.

I sure hope not Puto

God is love, baby, god is love.

I have to ask both sides of the issue here:

Does it take more faith to

A. Believe God created the earth in six days and/or a flood carved up the earth

B. The earth formed over billions of years, while single-celled life filled the earth and evolved into all the life we see

/honest question

yet another reason to vote bush out of office. this country is becoming a laughingstock. if you like jesus or whatever fairy tale thats fine, but keep it to yourself. if i want to be a filthy heathen who enjoys his life and believes in rational thinking then please let me.