Stop flip-flopping. Is it a forgery or not?

I must be missing the point.

huh?

Wait! I thought sucking was good.

And proportional spacing has What to do with superscript "th" ?

Um...... BONG!

I'm going to bed. Wake me when the election is over.

wow, talk about turnaround.....
thats one of the quickest followups i have ever seen....

Funny how the pendulum swings.

Swift Boat Veterans for Truth come out, demolish Kerry, get discredited, bad feelings about Kerry remain.

Texans for Truth come out, demolish Bush, (maybe?) get discredited, bad feeling about Bush (might) remain.

I was listening to the right-wing nutjob Laura Ingraham this morning and she was going ballistic about how horrible it is for these people to lie about Bush's record... but she propped up the Swift Boat Vets controversy like it was the golden truth and still maintains her belief in it.

Main Entry: obfuscate
Pronunciation: 'b-f&-"skAt; b-'f&s-"kAt, &b-
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): -cated; -cating
Etymology: Late Latin obfuscatus, past participle of obfuscare, from Latin ob- in the way + fuscus dark brown -- more at OB-, DUSK
1 a : DARKEN b : to make obscure

So here we are talking about typewriters when the fact that Bush skipped out on cushy Guard duty is buried under confusion and distraction.

If Bush wants to make 9/11 (an even that happened on his watch) his campaign foundation, he better be prepared to have his fitness as our Commander in Chief questioned. Especially since he has made our country less safe by enraging the Arab world against us more than ever with the excursion in Iraq.

Bush=Chicken Hawk.

what about the th?

So... what you're saying is, this was yet another baseless accusation by the right, that the democrats are issuing conspiracies and manipulating the press. Yet, the only false articles (and poorly researched ones at that) that seem to make it to the press are accusations by the far right, accusing the democrats of conspiring with media.

Time for a change. Vote Bush out.

This is crazy, this follows up on a link 3 topics below it. This is almost like a flamewar, except on the main Fark page.




And I think it's wicked cool.

Umm... anyone have a link to the actual memo in question? I wanna see a picture.

Repeating crazy_gaijin's statement:

What does proportional spacing have to do with a superscripted "th" in a document from a 1972 National Guard unit?

Can you say, FORGERY?

I knew you could.

Now I'm going to put on my sneakers and we'll say hello to Mr. McFeeley!

I have been a professional typist for 33 years - I still am and I make very big bucks. I spent several years typing on an IBM Executive Proportional Spacing typewriter (the hardest to learn typewriter ever invented). It worked like this - each character had a number of "spaces" assigned to it - an m had 5, and i had one. If you made an error on an m, you had to backspace 5 times, insert your white out, and restrike, etc.). There was a "superscript" key on that typewriter, I remember it well, because I was typing ICC Trucking Transportation Tariffs at the time (you talk about a biatch of of job).

It was a typewriter that placed a very high premium on accuracy.

This MUST be fark.com, 'cause it's certainly not news.

If Bush wants to make 9/11 (an even that happened on his watch) his campaign foundation, he better be prepared to have his fitness as our Commander in Chief questioned.

9/11 = Vietnam?

If you are going to question 9/11... question 9/11.

/real issues folks...think of the REAL issues.

Superscript not invented until 2008, Bush screwed

We're only having this debate because Bush executed Standard Form 180 and authorized the release of ALL his military records. Kerry refuses to do likewise - why? What is he hiding? I only wonder because his military service seems to be his entire platform.

It's clear that those commie leftist dems have no business doing propaganda - since 1930 this has been patented by the Right Wing, may their empire last for a Thousand Years.

/me is looking for a backup planet.

all they keep talking about is the swift boat crap and his purple hearts. i say "AT LEAST HE WAS FKN THERE" and not being a lil puss at home in the national guard and still not even do crap there.

are pdf documents in question scans of the actual original docs? or are they retyped and photoshopped to make them look old for tv broadcast?

i did the latter for a newspaper ad once.

So...the charge that Kerry turned on his brothers in arms and testified before Congress was proved false??? I must have missed that one. I must have also missed the fact that Kerry said he committed atrocities as well during those hearings, when no one else can corroborate them?

Remember, 10 out of 10 terrorists want anyone but Bush! Are you a terroriest?

When you come to understand it doesn't matter who you vote for, you'll be able to move on with yer life.

This whole thing is crap.

The Bush Campaign has REPEATEDLY said, "Here's everything we have," yet there's always more they haven't released.

After the 60 Minutes segment last night, the White House released its own copies of the memos in question, basically proving (again) that they've been covering up his record for years. They'd just said "This is all we have," yet ... they release more when they get caught. Pathetic.

How many more times are they going to "find" some extra docs to release that have been "lost" for years? How many more times before someone in the national media gets suspicious? How many more times will Bartlett (and others) change stories? How many times has he "misspoke" that we don't know about yet?

At any rate, in this case the forgery idea is bogus. You'll have to find another way to defend Glorious Leader from the evil facts.

I seem to recall using a typewriter with a superscript "th". Can't remember where or when it was made though.

Seems a little fishy regardless. I mean if there's a superscript "th" then there'd have to be a superscript "st", a superscript "nd" and a superscript "rd". That seems like a lot of extra crap to pile onto a typewriter. But hey, I'm not much of a typewriter enthusiast so I don't know for sure.

johnny_q:

Holy cow elchip. Does that coin have two sides!

"proportional width typewriters", so typewriters that go on the Atkins diet? hahahaha!!1111111....
/nuthin

Typewriters...Vietnam...purple hearts...forgery...whatever.

We all just want someone who's going to 'fix everything' and that's not going to happen. Of course, a lot of the stuff is 'broken' because of our current leader... so it's always a 'lesser of two evils' situation. Kerry's not perfect, but here's hoping he will fark things up LESS than Bush did.

Obviously this web page was forged! :)

"I was listening to the right-wing nutjob Laura Ingraham this morning and she was going ballistic about how horrible it is for these people to lie about Bush's record... but she propped up the Swift Boat Vets controversy like it was the golden truth and still maintains her belief in it."

Who cares, she's hot.

IBM huh? Well they supplied the Nazis! It must be that they are covering up for the head Nazi!

/Have I sucessfully Godwin'ed this nonsense threads?

the site didnt mention the money ibm made from the nazis

My mom had one of those IBM Executive typewriters in the seventies, and I, too, remember what a bear it was to correct on. Proportional spacing without any thought to helping with correction, all mechanical. A true wonder, rapidly obsoleted by the Personal Computer.

As to superscripts - guess y'all are too young to remember typewriters. The [blanking on typewriter terminology!] rollie thing had two detents per line. Move one up, superscript. Move one down, subscript. Move back and resume typing..

oops...bolded the wrong word....damn you html skills!!!

This is exactly what is going to sway my vote. I hope typewriter history is covered in the dabates.

/voting Kerry unless he kills a hooker before Nov. 2

Given the fact that this whole thing was birthed from the bowels of a known right-wing rag, I'm suprised it's getting the attention that it is.

Sadly to say, FreeRepublic is headquartered in my town and I get to see those people demonstrating with their unbelivably crass signs every friday.

One sign had, I kid you not. (Peace sign = Swaztika)

In another demonstration they drug the UN flag through the gutter and stomped on it. They are truely the loons of the right.

For anyone to give them this much credit is mindboggling.

/me remarks that IBM's proportional-spaced typewriters (and I owned at least one of these) never printed in Palatino.

I don't think the memos could have been written in 1973.

basscheez

ARGH!

Kerry's Military records have been released for months!

I can understand not knowing something, but constantly repeating it without bothering to check? What's wrong with you people??

tangent warining..

what ever happened to the "cents" symbol????

It's on typwriters, but not computer keyboards

Yeah, but what about the red squiggly lines and the smart tag?

Joseph Smith, this page looks like it was specifically created to address this question.

is IBM in Bush's pocket?

At this point, I'd prefer being told that SPACE ALIENS ALTERED THE DOCUMENTS , rather than be insulted by this continual bullsh*t.

who giveth a thit?

Did I understand that somewhere in these memos you can find the so-called 'smart quotes' that point in different directions, like what would be produced by a modern computerized word-processing program? If so, I don't think any typewriter had that capability.