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Discussion of Fark's moderating system - Part I. How Fark is different and exactly what are the goals in moderating? 
Posted by Drew at 2008-10-07 3:53:14 PM (2271 comments) | Permalink
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I do a lot of thinking when I'm driving around, mainly because when I'm not on the net I don't have to react to randomly-occurring issues needing my attention. At some point on a long drive it occurred to me that a huge majority of issues people have with Fark's moderating process are due to the fact that people don't actually know what we're doing. Fark operates very differently than any other website I can think of, and there's no indication of this in our FAQ or anywhere else. We don't have a discussion of Internet Community Theory anywhere. So in a bid to cut down on a bunch of the false positives we've been getting, here's the first of a multi-part discussion of what we're doing on our end and how it's different from other sites.

Here's our list of discussion topics, we're going to do the first two today. I suspect more issues will pop up later, I'll hit those too. If any questions you may have fall under the other topics, hold them until then.

Do not post questions about the status of individual banned Farkers, either post a hypothetical or email me. Also be aware that hypotheticals don't exist in a vacuum - individuals who claim to have been banned from Fark for no reason either rewrote history or omitted something. For example there's at least one person banned currently with over 50 various infractions who claims to have no idea why they were banned. I believe them too (that they have no idea). That doesn't change the fact that incidents occurred, they were notified at the time, claimed to have understood at the time, then later wiped them from their memory. Some people are like that. In a community of over 4.3 million individuals we see just about every possible combination of personality traits, that's one of them. So it goes.

What kind of community Fark isn't
Our goal in moderating
Internal checks and balances against bad moderating
How to get banned permanently from Fark
Popular misconceptions about Fark that impact moderating
Problems with the current system

I'll begin by explaining what kind of community Fark isn't.

Most online communities (and by most I mean everyone other than us) attempt to be variations of real life societies. Many claim to be some kind of utopian hippie commune where every voice is "important".

Most espouse some kind of anti-censorship bent. In reality this isn't the case at all. Most methods of not-censoring posts involve making sure that while comments won't ever be deleted, no one ever sees them (via voting comments down or 'unpublishing' them). If no one can ever see a comment it might as well be deleted This is silly, just call it what it is. What these other sites do is only technically anti-censorship, in reality it's the same thing as deleting comments but with a different name.

A lot of other communities, mainly news aggregators, try to adopt the democratic model of posting stories and links. This works great until you factor spammers into the equation, then everything goes to hell. You also run into issues with something I like to call "tyranny by well-organized minorities". Note how Ron Paul supporters were able to effectively dominate social news websites during the primary election season.

Fark takes a different approach altogether. Fark isn't attempting to emulate any real world society. Fark is a house party. Everyone's welcome to come and I certainly hope they have fun at the party and enjoy themselves. People who complain that the food sucks, the decor is bad, and the people at the party are jerks will eventually get shown the door. Sometimes people get thrown out of the party, try to get back in and claim that it was perfectly fine because the front door was unlocked.

We run things a little tighter than most people would probably expect given how lax other sites are. Fark is a website though, not a government. I am very much anti-censorship in the real world, but in my own house things are different. Anyone who comes to a party at my place who causes trouble gets shown the door. Anyone who wants to argue that Ron Paul is awesome or that Ralph Nader is great can keep right on arguing that, or any other conservative or liberal ideology they might believe - provided that they really do believe it. We censor, but there is no political motivation behind it. The goal is to allow everyone to have as much fun as possible, and when necessary remove people from the house party who are preventing that from happening.

You'll note that regarding political discussions I said "provided that they really do believe it." How do we know? We don't. We're guessing. And we're not afraid to be wrong because of our next discussion topic...

Our moderating mantra: anything can be undone.
This isn't the real world, we're not sending people to jail or executing them. It's a discussion board. In the event that our moderators can't decide if someone's done something wrong or not, we tell them to pull the trigger anyhow. We'll sort it out during internal discussion and fix it during the review process when necessary. When we're wrong we apologize. The assumption that mistakes will be made is built-in to our strategy.

Our goal: identify troublemakers and remove them from the party
Some people just cause trouble. Some intentionally, some unintentionally. Our entire moderating system is built around identifying people who cause the most work for the mods and dispensing with them. We're not attempting to punish or rehabilitate repeat offenders. Luckily most of the time we can work with folks and get individual issues sorted out quickly via the Farkback form.

Our objective in moderating is the main cause of the misconception that timeouts and bans are handed out inconsistently. People assume that a given infraction has a given penalty no matter how many times you commit it. In the real world, this is more or less how it works. On Fark, the bans and timeouts are assessed on a sliding scale. Repeat infractions for the same thing, even minor ones, earn longer and longer timeouts. Significantly longer timeouts. In the event that someone continues to do the same thing over and over again, eventually the call is made to issue an open-ended ban. There's a series of drop-down boxes on our end to ensure that the sliding scale is consist. An infraction is committed, the mod looks in the individual's history to see if it has happened before, if so, then the next higher penalty level is assessed. This stuff is already hardcoded into the system.

The amount of time that passes between infractions is taken into account as well. Anyone can accidentally threadjack, for example. People go online drunk and do stupid stuff. It happens. If it's a one-off thing, the moderators generally don't worry about it. If it's a frequent thing, such as multiple infractions in the space of days, steps are taken to remove that person from the community. We also take into account how long ago the last infraction was. Fark's been around for almost 10 years now. We have several community members that were constantly being banned from Fark five years ago, but not today. Your outlook on life when you're 20 is vastly different from where you end up at 25. And so on.

We work under the assumption that in the larger world of the Internet, there is a certain small percentage of people who exist solely to sow chaos and disorder, either intentionally or unintentionally. It doesn't take many individuals like this to take down an entire community. Some of you have probably witnessed this firsthand on other sites. Part of the reason that Fark's community works so well is that we take steps to remove these people from it.

Along these lines, the general TotalFark community appears to have two veins of thought on moderating. One segment is happy with how things are currently, the other segment wants to be recognized as consenting adults and generally left alone.

My personal sentiments lie with the consenting adults crowd, but the problem with leaving things completely alone is they tend to drift toward the darker side regardless of people's best intentions. Some have suggested that we create a darker section of Fark and just leave it alone altogether (with warnings when you were about to cross over). I personally have no problem with something like that existing - elsewhere. For example, I don't mind going to the occasional strip club but I don't want to run or own one. Same goes for that kind of community, I have no problem with it existing per se somewhere out there on the Internet, but there are some not-so-good ramifications of it existing inside Fark that I'd rather avoid. So for the consenting adults crowd, I get it, but we can't do it.

I'll be hanging out in the thread for a bit but I'm doing 100 other things atm so some responses may be slow.
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Well I use Mac/Linux... 2008-10-07 03:55:08 PM  
Epic Bel-Air.

 
Cyberluddite [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 03:55:51 PM  
I submitted this yesterday with a better headline.

 
Massa Damnata 2008-10-07 03:55:55 PM  
Reading hurts.


/first

 
nicoffeine 2008-10-07 03:56:24 PM  
I do a lot of thinking when I'm driving around, mainly because when I'm not on the net I don't have to react to randomly-occurring issues needing my attention.

Oh, you mean, like ONCOMING TRAFFIC?

 
m1ke 2008-10-07 03:56:26 PM  
Moderation FTW!

 
wpmulligan 2008-10-07 03:56:28 PM  
Fark moderating: we'll get over it.

 
GoGoGo [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 03:56:41 PM  
Fark isn't attempting to emulate any real world society.

This.

 
panzerfaustbob 2008-10-07 03:56:53 PM  
Ass to ass!

 
Doctor Funkenstein [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 03:56:58 PM  
If you hotlink a pic, Jeff will come touch you while you sleep.

All kidding aside, your site, your rules, Drew. You guys do a good job of it.

 
soakitincider 2008-10-07 03:57:04 PM  
self-importance

 
Oldiron_79 2008-10-07 03:57:10 PM  
As much stupid shiat as I say that gets me a 24 hr time out just because I'm trolling at the time I'm surprised I'm not permanently banned yet.

I guess the mods are smart enough to know I was just trolling at the time.

 
unremarkable asterisk [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 03:57:11 PM  
Bullet points, please.

 
Smellvin 2008-10-07 03:57:52 PM  
I only have one suggestion: BRING BACK THE BOOBIES

/Also, please stop killing poop threads.
//If users don't like them, then they can avoid them themselves.

 
albo [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 03:57:55 PM  
who do i have to blow to become a mod?

/the iron fist would crush

 
Rabid Bunnies 2008-10-07 03:57:58 PM  
Can we get this sticked in TFD for a while? I think there are a lot of people who don't often venture outside of there.

 
Whamdangler 2008-10-07 03:57:59 PM  
tl;dr

 
The Grinch 2008-10-07 03:58:02 PM  
...okay then. I didn't realize that so many people had issues with the mods that there was a need for clarification of this magnitude. Actually, that read a lot like the FArQ; maybe it should be copied over and appended to the end of it, so people have a better idea of what's expected of them right up front.

 
markie_farkie [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 03:58:13 PM  
I'm all for anything that doesn't prevent me from proving that I'm a complete moron at times!

 
hipsellipsis 2008-10-07 03:58:14 PM  
Fark was better when the links were in the middle.
I guess I got over it, though, cause I'm still here.

Also, it sucks that I only have one approved greenlight in three years. I demand green redistribution. Who needs 100 greens?

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 03:58:47 PM  
Oldiron_79: As much stupid shiat as I say that gets me a 24 hr time out just because I'm trolling at the time I'm surprised I'm not permanently banned yet.

I guess the mods are smart enough to know I was just trolling at the time.


It takes a lot to get knocked out permanently. That's our next discussion

 
thatvoiceguy 2008-10-07 03:58:48 PM  
FARK is the Chuck E. Cheese ball pit of the Internet.

But hey, it's fun.


/ewww, germs

 
Atomic Spunk 2008-10-07 03:58:54 PM  
I read Fark threads because I like to hear the point of view of others. Unless they don't agree with me.

 
RanDomino 2008-10-07 03:58:54 PM  
1. Approve All Flamebait
2. ???
3. $5 a month makes me special

and now I'll rtfa!

 
Howie Spankowitz [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 03:58:56 PM  
I'm not reading all of that, so I'll just respond to it with righteous indignation sprinkled with a sense of entitlement and condescension.

 
Hiymenator 2008-10-07 03:59:06 PM  
So Fark is a house party?

Time to put the lampshade on and dance inappropriately with a married woman while her husband rounds up a posse to beat my ass out back.

 
PAPASandBEER 2008-10-07 03:59:07 PM  
You'll get over it.

 
moops 2008-10-07 03:59:10 PM  
Post Quaker Guy early, post Quaker Guy often.

 
Noah's Arcade 2008-10-07 03:59:10 PM  
Your mod wants totalitarian power.

 
southaustin [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 03:59:17 PM  
Wow. This is a lot of thinking for a site that I sometimes pay $10 a month for, sometimes not. I realize it's your life, Drew, but... wow. Count me as one of those people that sometimes subscribes, sometimes doesn't, and likes it just the way it is. It's your house, make whatever rules make ya happy.

 
dabbletech 2008-10-07 03:59:20 PM  
Moderation as a goal? Puleeze.

 
Tin Foil Milliner [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 03:59:30 PM  
Drew: Fark is a house party.

*wears lampshade and molests family dog*

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 03:59:43 PM  
Rabid Bunnies: Can we get this sticked in TFD for a while? I think there are a lot of people who don't often venture outside of there.

I'm going to take whatever the final version is and make a big ass FAQ out of it

 
Barakku [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 03:59:48 PM  
I'd like some better moderation of political trolling in non-political threads, it's gotten really bad and really lame lately, with the election comming up...

 
GoGoGo [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 03:59:57 PM  
i take issue with the concept of 'thread-jacking'

discussion is meant to be alive...
if people choose to respond to any post....let them.
if they dont, then fine.
people shouldnt have to justify a relation to a topic.
perhaps the idea or basis of the post was simply inspired by the 'topic' but is distant in terms of relevance.

big deal.
let the thread jackers jack

 
DeathByGeekSquad 2008-10-07 04:00:09 PM  
That was pretty informative, thank you!

 
Howie Spankowitz [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:00:09 PM  
Drew: Oldiron_79: As much stupid shiat as I say that gets me a 24 hr time out just because I'm trolling at the time I'm surprised I'm not permanently banned yet.

I guess the mods are smart enough to know I was just trolling at the time.

It takes a lot to get knocked out permanently. That's our next discussion


Me and my ginormous wang plan on testing this theory in the next TorD thread.

 
Frank N Stein [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:00:16 PM  
tl;dr

 
EL_FABREZ 2008-10-07 04:00:18 PM  
As long as there's never any emoticons, automatic signatures where people can leave quotes at the end of a post, or stupid pics next to their name, I'll be happy.

 
smerfnablin 2008-10-07 04:00:25 PM  
the fark community moderates itself...

i think its the people who keep the stupidity in check and help to diminish the stupidity

on a side note, STOP CENSORING GIRLS IN SHORT SKIRTS!

Why your mods go off about girls dressed like skanks is beyond me... not like they are nekid!

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:00:25 PM  
The Grinch: ...okay then. I didn't realize that so many people had issues with the mods that there was a need for clarification of this magnitude. Actually, that read a lot like the FArQ; maybe it should be copied over and appended to the end of it, so people have a better idea of what's expected of them right up front.

There aren't, but clarification never hurts. I think the main problem is no one knows this stuff and there's no good way to find it out

 
cyber_slacker 2008-10-07 04:00:51 PM  
I posted this with a funnier headline.

 
jbc [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:00:53 PM  
Someone needs to tell Drew about Subby's TotalBlogging.

Wait, what?

 
AgentOrangeDrink 2008-10-07 04:00:55 PM  
It's a house party with no cursing! Except for ass, asshole, bastard, fag, and any other completely arbitrarily decided upon words!

 
lemortede 2008-10-07 04:00:59 PM  
I miss the old Fark.
Trolls and all.
Now everything is modded.
People are not as open or free with what they say.
Most of all I miss the Boobie threads.

 
SiON42X 2008-10-07 04:01:07 PM  
Drew: It takes a lot to get knocked out permanently. That's our next discussion

Usually when owners or moderators of sites have to post 'discussions' there's a major change or bad news coming.

C'mon, tell us, we can take it. Unless you're being bought out by Fox, then we'll all implode.

 
Texaco Saves 2008-10-07 04:01:07 PM  
I'm suffering from the shingles and all you can talk about is moderating!
How insensitive!

 
Tin Foil Milliner [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:01:16 PM  
Hiymenator: So Fark is a house party?

Time to put the lampshade on and dance inappropriately with a married woman while her husband rounds up a posse to beat my ass out back.


GIVE ME BACK THAT LAMPSHADE!

*staggers*

 
mephyt 2008-10-07 04:01:22 PM  
Moderation seems to be pretty transparent, honestly. The way it should be, imho.

 
CygnusDarius [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:01:36 PM  
Is it me or did the html tags died?.

Oh, they're back on.

 
Whamdangler 2008-10-07 04:01:37 PM  
southaustin: This is a lot of thinking for a site that I sometimes pay $10 a month for, sometimes not.

You get the "friends and family" rate, then?

 
absoluteparanoia 2008-10-07 04:01:43 PM  
Drew: I'm going to take whatever the final version is and make a big ass FAQ out of it

Could you please make an ADD version of this?

 
ObscureNameHere 2008-10-07 04:01:54 PM  
"I know this won't apply to 99% of you, but we've had some problems with blog owners posting too many rationales in some of the threads...."

 
robsul82 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:01:56 PM  
Barakku: I'd like some better moderation of political trolling in non-political threads, it's gotten really bad and really lame lately, with the election comming up...

This.

 
albo [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:02:22 PM  
hipsellipsis: Also, it sucks that I only have one approved greenlight in three years. I demand green redistribution. Who needs 100 greens

i don't, that's for sure. but i hear from others that success comes from submitting a lot and being funny and not whining

 
rikdanger [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:02:29 PM  
I don't get it.

 
Shostie [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:02:32 PM  
Atomic Spunk: I read Fark threads because I like to hear the point of view of others. Unless they don't agree with me.

I feel the exact opposite as you.

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:02:43 PM  
GoGoGo: i take issue with the concept of 'thread-jacking'

discussion is meant to be alive...
if people choose to respond to any post....let them.
if they dont, then fine.
people shouldnt have to justify a relation to a topic.
perhaps the idea or basis of the post was simply inspired by the 'topic' but is distant in terms of relevance.

big deal.
let the thread jackers jack


if it was limitted to the flow of normal conversation, your suggestion would work. The rules are built around the issue of dealing with people who intentionally attempt to derail the normal flow of conversation.

 
unremarkable asterisk [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:02:44 PM  
"Some have suggested that we create a darker section of Fark and just leave it alone altogether (with warnings when you were about to cross over)."

Hey, that was my idea! Drew, since you're not going to use it, can I go ahead and trademark DarkFark and start my website?

 
PowerSlacker 2008-10-07 04:02:46 PM  
Hi all...

 
thenateman 2008-10-07 04:02:51 PM  
House party at Drew's -- everyone's coming !

 
pwhp_67 2008-10-07 04:02:55 PM  
Is this required reading? Because I'm kind of busy trying to find a good poop thread...

 
Slick Dick Lick 2008-10-07 04:03:00 PM  
My dick can't get hard.

I see Blue. He looks glorious!

 
Merltech 2008-10-07 04:03:01 PM  
lemortede: I miss the old Fark.
Trolls and all.
Now everything is modded.
People are not as open or free with what they say.
Most of all I miss the Boobie threads.


I especially miss the Boobies threads...

 
robsul82 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:03:05 PM  
robsul82: Barakku: I'd like some better moderation of political trolling in non-political threads, it's gotten really bad and really lame lately, with the election comming up...

This.


Oh, and trolling in the actual political threads. As fun as the Wild West was, eventually we stopped it, you know?

 
Diogenes [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:03:22 PM  
Drew: It takes a lot to get knocked out permanently. That's our next discussion

I haven't been in time out for some time. But the few times I was, I wish there were a more consistent appeals process.

That said, I can see why there isn't much of one. Too much whining and excuses as to why "b-b-but that's not what I meant!"

 
PanicAttack [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:03:22 PM  
You're all being glib.

 
Shadow Blasko [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:03:31 PM  
You lost my $5 a month when I got my wrist slapped for posting a pic (of an absinthe bottle) and got a timeout for posting competitor ads. (In a keystone light "sponsored thread")

In your letter you said there was "over zealous moderation".


Besides missing the boobies, and missing the old school days (2002) I really hate the whole ambiguity of moderation.

Hope this whole thread helps clear that up.

/Not sure what my point was, but thanks for this convo being here so some things get cleared up.

 
Stratigus64 2008-10-07 04:03:31 PM  
fark.aeonblue.net
img74.imageshack.us

//Moderator thread?

 
MorteDiem [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:03:37 PM  
At this theoretical house party, what type of alcohol would theoretically be served?

 
Obdicut 2008-10-07 04:03:48 PM  
GoGoGo: i take issue with the concept of 'thread-jacking'

discussion is meant to be alive...
if people choose to respond to any post....let them.
if they dont, then fine.
people shouldnt have to justify a relation to a topic.
perhaps the idea or basis of the post was simply inspired by the 'topic' but is distant in terms of relevance.

big deal.
let the thread jackers jack



That's not what he's talking about.

 
Slackfumasta [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:03:50 PM  
FASCIST!

/i kid, i kid

I got a 24 hour timeout once for mentioning a certain girl...She Who Shall Not Be Named!

 
whereisian 2008-10-07 04:04:04 PM  
My only comments.

1. Crack down on alts. Without naming names, there are a few really funny trolls which add colour and stimulate discussion. But more often than not, they simply disrupt. The ignore list is not sufficient.

2. Stop greenlighting trolly headlines that completely misrepresent the story. The 'hero' tag abuse is particularly worrisome.

I don't think any expects fark to be a bastion of truth, but it has always, IMHO, been honest. Like my favorite trolls. Overall, the mods are successful, but there is room for improvement.

And of course, a huge thanks to Drew, because the internet would suck without fark.

 
Sumpinlikedat 2008-10-07 04:04:07 PM  
Personally, I've never had an issue with the moderation of the site. I've been banned before, for varying periods of time, and I've always known I deserved it. I have never once been banned and gone "OMG SUCH BULLSHIAT".

I think some people play much more innocent than they actually know they are.

 
rikdanger [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:04:07 PM  
PanicAttack: You're all being glib.

I find your comment shallow and pedantic.

 
queezyweezel [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:04:08 PM  
Good explanation Drew. I still haven't gotten over the new look though ;-)


In all fairness, most of you pussies need to quit whining. I get a time out every month or so, and you know what? I deserved every one of them (except for the traffic cone incident).

For a while there were WAAAAYYYYY too many threads being deleted for piddly reasons, but that seems to have subsided. By and large this community (mods and admins included) is one of the best on the net. It's like Cheers with tits.

 
drnugget [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:04:14 PM  
My mother moderated me once. Once.

 
John Nash [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:04:28 PM  
Can we get this cross-posted to TFD? A lot of those folks don't venture out to the main page...

 
Chastain86 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:04:38 PM  
Gosh, Drew... I guess the question I have for you is, "What prompted this action?" What sorts of issues have you run afoul of lately that made this kind of disclosure more necessary?

I guess I haven't seen firsthand that there are a lot more jerks around these days than there ever has been. It's cyclical.

Of course, none of this says anything about why I can't seem to buy a greenlight on the weekends and never have. Guess I'm not funny enough on Saturdays and Sundays. ;)

 
wpmulligan 2008-10-07 04:04:39 PM  
img294.imageshack.us


What a shame that a few bad apples have to spoil a good time for everyone by breaking the rules.

 
albo [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:04:43 PM  
MorteDiem: At this theoretical house party, what type of alcohol would theoretically be served?

midori and dr. pepper

 
Texaco Saves 2008-10-07 04:04:47 PM  
Totalfark makes House Party 2 look like House Party 3!!

 
Bonkthat_Again [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:04:56 PM  
1)Can you give us a screenshot (or an MSPaint rendition) of a mod's screen? (just curious)

2) How 'bout calling out the assholes (repeat offenders) before booting them? Wouldn't that curb asshatism? (and give the rest of us a chuckle too)

 
crypticsatellite [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:05:07 PM  
I applaud the transparency and think it will help in getting people to understand.

One thing that might be helpful would be to allow folks to see their timeout history and reasons for the timeout(s), perhaps even allowing them to flag events for moderator discussion/explanation. Of course, that might generate a lot of mod/admin work.

Hypothetically speaking, sometimes someone may truly not understand why a timeout went into effect and Farkbacks are not always answered. Hypothetically speaking, of course.

 
exi 2008-10-07 04:05:08 PM  
thatvoiceguy: FARK is the Chuck E. Cheese ball pit of the Internet.

But hey, it's fun.


/ewww, germs


But without the pee smell.

/at least for most of us

 
Balder333 2008-10-07 04:05:18 PM  
I was eating it up until I got to the Rick Roll.

 
Vman [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:05:23 PM  
I just read the "100 other things atm part"... just is not the same sentence after Clerks two. I guess in the heat of 100 moments it is okay. I am drunk and this is a one time thing if you are offended Drew.

 
Drakin020 2008-10-07 04:05:27 PM  
Gives us back our boobies.

/Still bitter.

 
Frank N Stein [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:05:27 PM  
It would be hilarious if Drew just started posting gay porn and saying "I HOPE YOU GET FIRED!"

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:05:31 PM  
SiON42X: Drew: It takes a lot to get knocked out permanently. That's our next discussion

Usually when owners or moderators of sites have to post 'discussions' there's a major change or bad news coming.

C'mon, tell us, we can take it. Unless you're being bought out by Fox, then we'll all implode.


nope this has just been a long time coming, nothing's on deck

 
The Black Spy 2008-10-07 04:05:32 PM  
Hello? I have something to say about this.

j-walkblog.com
Bad hotlinking kittah. Bad.

 
stappawho 2008-10-07 04:05:34 PM  
There is a severe lack of cleavage in this thread.

 
Yeah_Right 2008-10-07 04:05:36 PM  
Drew - "Anyone can accidentally threadjack, for example. People go online drunk and do stupid stuff. It happens. If it's a one-off thing, the moderators generally don't worry about it. If it's a frequent thing, such as multiple infractions in the space of days, steps are taken to remove that person from the community."

Discussions drift... like as in real life. Expecting people to stay completely on one topic - is a bit naive.

/ lighten up, Francis

 
Office Ninja 2008-10-07 04:05:42 PM  
FTA - "We censor, but there is no political motivation behind it."

B....S....!
I've returned to find may posts mysteriously deleted that were nothing more than discussions of facts that were obviously not leaning towards the general political sentiment of many other postings.

I don't blame you specifically, Drew, but you absolutely do have some mods out there who abuse their power for their own political beliefs.

 
dabbletech 2008-10-07 04:05:54 PM  
absoluteparanoia: Drew: I'm going to take whatever the final version is and make a big ass FAQ out of it

Could you please make an ADD version of this?


Thissssszzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 
uzeial1986 2008-10-07 04:05:59 PM  
whereisian: 2. Stop greenlighting trolly headlines that completely misrepresent the story. The 'hero' tag abuse is particularly worrisome.

THANK YOU.

 
maddogdelta [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:06:03 PM  
Our moderating mantra: anything can be undone.

[bad joke coming]
Oh yeah? Well, some things seen, cannot be unseen...
"provided that they really do believe it."

I believe I'll have a drink...

[ok, that was 2 bad jokes..']

 
EdJofJupiter 2008-10-07 04:06:14 PM  
TTIUWoP!

 
sparky1013 2008-10-07 04:06:23 PM  
about the wrong and apologizing part..
HA! nice laugh...

 
SexOnTV 2008-10-07 04:06:27 PM  
I've been reading fark for over a year now, mostly the politics tab, and I have to say that to me even the so called "troublemakers" are a part of the community. I've laughed uncontrollably on more than one occassion when an ideology-troll gets caught posting on an alt.

I noticed the site now breaks up epic large threads into much more easily loaded pages now which is a huge improvement!

/just read your book
//write more!!

 
CrispFlows 2008-10-07 04:06:28 PM  
So, Trolling IS against the rules? I'd love to see that enforced more.

 
R.A.Danny [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:06:34 PM  
I've been banned a few times, and after A) figuring out what I farked up, and 2) apologizing for farking up, I have been let back early. I can't say there was anything unfair about how it was handled, nor were mod/mins ever unavailable to hear my side. You really have to try to get in real trouble here. Thanks Drew

 
Beatle_Matt [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:06:35 PM  
Great party, Drew! So....when can I set the drapes on fire?

:)

 
towatchoverme 2008-10-07 04:06:39 PM  
Drew:

That's a lot of text, Tolstoy. In future, please make your points using pictures of cats with funny captions, or with animated gifs.

Also, i would like to find a way to eliminate alts.

Not all alts ... Carol Alt would be welcome anytime. But alts built for the sole purpose of trolling confuse and anger me.

 
barjockey 2008-10-07 04:06:46 PM  
southaustin: Wow. This is a lot of thinking for a site that I sometimes pay $10 a month for

wha...?

 
followmeinfantry 2008-10-07 04:06:50 PM  
I think the mods do a pretty damn good job most of the time, I posted something stupid one night that was against posting rules while drinking and got sent to the time out corner, but I deserved it. Im a dumbass, so it happens.

 
maddogdelta [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:06:51 PM  
I think we'll get over it.

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:06:59 PM  
absoluteparanoia: Drew: I'm going to take whatever the final version is and make a big ass FAQ out of it

Could you please make an ADD version of this?


ADD people can skip this (and probably will). It's more for the OCDers

 
Bob Balaban 2008-10-07 04:07:03 PM  
So here's what I don't get: Why did Peter need to get Sylar's power to save the future?

 
I_C_Weener [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:07:09 PM  
"One segment is happy with how things are currently, the other segment wants to be recognized as consenting adults and generally left alone."

I'm of the opinion that I would not want to leave my house, my pets, or my children in the hands of any of these consenting adults. Not sure if that helps the moderating discussion though.

 
Shadow Blasko [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:07:10 PM  
Diogenes: I haven't been in time out for some time. But the few times I was, I wish there were a more consistent appeals process.

Yeah. I got one time out in 7 years, and I have danced the line a few times. (Usually in [what was] the Night Crew threads, so I think my naughtiness was often overlooked)

It really did irritate me to find that after so many years of "walking the line" it was something totally PG, but "you pissed off an advertiser" that actually got me punished.

 
sarty [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:07:11 PM  
Howie Spankowitz: Drew: Oldiron_79: As much stupid shiat as I say that gets me a 24 hr time out just because I'm trolling at the time I'm surprised I'm not permanently banned yet.

I guess the mods are smart enough to know I was just trolling at the time.

It takes a lot to get knocked out permanently. That's our next discussion

Me and my ginormous wang plan on testing this theory in the next TorD thread.


Are we allowed to Pre-report a thread to an admin? ;)

 
glenlivid 2008-10-07 04:07:13 PM  
I was once banned for about 6 months, "back in the day". They literally banned me, and forgot about me. I had to keep emailing Drew, who was like, "yeah, we just haven't gotten around to unbanning you yet...", while he was picking potato chips out of his lap.

Those were dark days.

 
SiON42X 2008-10-07 04:07:26 PM  
unremarkable asterisk: can I go ahead and trademark DarkFark and start my website?

That's racist.

 
SweetDickens 2008-10-07 04:07:28 PM  
As been said before: No Boobies....= FAIL.

 
PeriRies [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:07:29 PM  
At this theoretical house party, can I theoretically have a three way with a couple of my favorite farkettes?

/not naming names, yet

 
tweekster [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:07:29 PM  
At some point on a long drive it occurred to me that a huge majority of issues people have with Fark's moderating process are due to the fact that people don't actually know what we're doing

That's okay, the mods don't either.

Two examples being the attention whores in many threads and the total lack of moderation in the political discussions, the trolling is simply astounding there. I do recall one thread where the moderator finally stepped in, not about the actual trolling, but rather for everyone else calling out an alt.

 
Random Guy 2008-10-07 04:07:30 PM  
Smellvin: I only have one suggestion: BRING BACK THE BOOBIES

/Also, please stop killing poop threads.
//If users don't like them, then they can avoid them themselves.


Hehe I read that as "void themselves"

 
helix400 2008-10-07 04:07:39 PM  
"If no one can ever see a comment it might as well be deleted This is silly, just call it what it is. What these other sites do is only technically anti-censorship, in reality it's the same thing as deleting comments but with a different name."

Nailed it. Voting moderation promotes censorship, plain and simple.

It's why I like Fark. I'm in the minority on most things, but the majority can't shut me up. And I can't shut them up. That's how it should be.

 
LineNoise [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:07:39 PM  
Drew, quick question, will you be posting something along these lines in regards to how TF works?

 
Joker you diabolical... 2008-10-07 04:07:40 PM  
If I get banned I want a copy of the FARK rules, to bring order to the sweeping desert that is the rest of the internet, like in 'Judge Dredd'.

 
Sumpinlikedat 2008-10-07 04:07:41 PM  
R.A.Danny: I've been banned a few times, and after A) figuring out what I farked up, and 2) apologizing for farking up, I have been let back early. I can't say there was anything unfair about how it was handled, nor were mod/mins ever unavailable to hear my side. You really have to try to get in real trouble here. Thanks Drew

Yep. There are a bunch of people with some really sour grapes, though, and I'm not really sure why that is.

 
oldfarthenry [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:07:47 PM  
I let my teenage kid do some `mods' on my Tempo. What a mistake!
I felt like a total douche - driving a car with painted flames and a noisy muffler!

 
melopene [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:07:58 PM  
absoluteparanoia: Drew: I'm going to take whatever the final version is and make a big ass FAQ out of it

Could you please make an ADD version of this?


Yeah seriously... what's with the Tolstoy, Drew? Don't you know we TFers don't read DIT more than a few lines long?!

 
ihatedumbpeople 2008-10-07 04:08:00 PM  
Stop messing with Boobies threads...keep pics active=happy Farkers.

 
McStinky 2008-10-07 04:08:04 PM  
I read FARK to hear the viewpoints of others most of the time. Except when I blather on about my own view, since I'm so awesome (ducks).

/FARK, I can't quitchee!

 
Uchiha_Cycliste 2008-10-07 04:08:04 PM  
FARK makes me happy.
nuff said.

 
malibupetey 2008-10-07 04:08:09 PM  
Short answer: we censor capriciously and you still send us money.

 
rvagirl81 2008-10-07 04:08:14 PM  
Heh. The only threadjacks I ever notice are the TFers trolling the "liter" threads with a new meme. Otherwise, you guys are great about stopping the random crazies. :)

 
followmeinfantry 2008-10-07 04:08:27 PM  
MorteDiem: At this theoretical house party, what type of alcohol would theoretically be served?

/Jack, straight up.

 
barjockey 2008-10-07 04:08:35 PM  
That was a hell of a lot of text - my head hurts. Maybe some imagery will help:

www.anthem-creative.com

 
PAPASandBEER 2008-10-07 04:08:37 PM  
If Fark is a house party, what is a Fark Party?

 
Barnacles! [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:08:39 PM  
Hai guize wats going on here in dis thred?

 
unremarkable asterisk [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:08:44 PM  
Can we have an "Out the Subby" button, please?

 
GoGoGo [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:08:46 PM  
Obdicut: GoGoGo: i take issue with the concept of 'thread-jacking'

discussion is meant to be alive...
if people choose to respond to any post....let them.
if they dont, then fine.
people shouldnt have to justify a relation to a topic.
perhaps the idea or basis of the post was simply inspired by the 'topic' but is distant in terms of relevance.

big deal.
let the thread jackers jack


That's not what he's talking about.


i've noticed posts where people feel the need to justify their post lest they be labeled a 'troll'

...and i'm sure others have resisted posting because it wasn't 'on topic' enough.

it's not one conversation going on in any thread. there are always many. people pick and choose what they respond too. it's more of a web than a thread. let the trollers run free.

 
NASAM 2008-10-07 04:08:47 PM  
GoGoGo: i take issue with the concept of 'thread-jacking'

discussion is meant to be alive...
if people choose to respond to any post....let them.
if they dont, then fine.
people shouldnt have to justify a relation to a topic.
perhaps the idea or basis of the post was simply inspired by the 'topic' but is distant in terms of relevance.

big deal.
let the thread jackers jack


Amen.
Threads should move at their own volition.

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:08:52 PM  
robsul82: Barakku: I'd like some better moderation of political trolling in non-political threads, it's gotten really bad and really lame lately, with the election comming up...

This.


Believe me, I agree. It's an absolute nightmare all around. Politics are now roughly one third of all link submissions. I can not wait until it's over.

The core problem with politics is it's about winning, as opposed to being right.

 
Gift 2008-10-07 04:08:52 PM  
Is this party BYOB?

and about that strip club...

 
joeycolby 2008-10-07 04:08:55 PM  
Drew: There's a series of drop-down boxes on our end to ensure that the sliding scale is consist. An infraction is committed, the mod looks in the individual's history to see if it has happened before, if so, then the next higher penalty level is assessed. This stuff is already hardcoded into the system.

Any chance we could get a list of the steps in that sliding scale?

 
xalres 2008-10-07 04:08:56 PM  
I've had my PS entries deleted because I put a link to my own site, which I host my images off of, below the image. Yet it's okay to post links to imageshack with "Take the dumb test" on the bottom. One of the reasons I haven't gone TF yet.

 
cyber_slacker 2008-10-07 04:08:58 PM  
I'm not too worried. No mod would ever DARE ban a totalf

 
smooshie 2008-10-07 04:09:07 PM  
The problem for me is that it seems moderation has become stricter over time. The Kroger poop thread, the ballsack conundrum, the fart-in-the-office threads were epic, became known as legends. If they were posted now, they'd probably be deleted. Same with boobies pics. Farkers (including me) like to be immature, this isn't Slashdot ;) We're adults, let us discuss adult topics.

 
nicoffeine 2008-10-07 04:09:17 PM  
TFD:Fark's been around for almost 10 years now. We have several community members that were constantly being banned from Fark five years ago, but not today.

Can we mention their names, now? The story of a certain boy with love for gelatin desserts, perhaps?

 
Clarence Potter 2008-10-07 04:09:19 PM  
robsul82: Barakku: I'd like some better moderation of political trolling in non-political threads, it's gotten really bad and really lame lately, with the election comming up...

This.


Yeah. I have the politics tab marked, but browse the others. I really don't want to have to think about or wade through comments about Governor Palin when the thread is discussing Rose McGowan.

Here's one thing: Can we have something on the header of the thread that indicates the tab? For when something appears under Sports and Business, etc.

 
absoluteparanoia 2008-10-07 04:09:23 PM  
Drew, although you claim that "anything can be undone", I have never once heard any of my concerns address when I've had timeouts. Which means that if they happen again you're telling me that the punishment will be more severe.

This is a piss poor model for moderating. It means that you (a) don't redress anyone's complaint (b) increase the punishment for each infraction.

It's like playing the game Mao, or the more well known game from Big Daddy--"I win!"

 
Sumpinlikedat 2008-10-07 04:09:25 PM  
Barnacles!: Hai guize wats going on here in dis thred?

ZOMG PITCHER POSTAH... wait, what?

 
Single White Male 2008-10-07 04:09:25 PM  
smerfnablin: on a side note, STOP CENSORING GIRLS IN SHORT SKIRTS!

Why your mods go off about girls dressed like skanks is beyond me... not like they are nekid!


Not too long ago I posted a picture of a completely clothed (but big-breasted) woman, only to have my post get deleted for "Nudity".

Why do the mods hate big boobs?

 
wage0048 2008-10-07 04:09:26 PM  
Drew: SiON42X: Drew: It takes a lot to get knocked out permanently. That's our next discussion

Usually when owners or moderators of sites have to post 'discussions' there's a major change or bad news coming.

C'mon, tell us, we can take it. Unless you're being bought out by Fox, then we'll all implode.

nope this has just been a long time coming, nothing's on deck


Along with the "How to get banned," could you also discuss the guidelines you use to determine how long a ban is for various infractions? I'm not asking you to pin yourself down to a specific, "Threadjacking is 24 hrs for a first offense" or anything like that, but just give us an idea of what goes into that decision and some general guidelines?

 
Korangulation 2008-10-07 04:09:39 PM  
Why are trolls that do nothing but consistently flame and spam articles allowed to stay on Fark?

That one always baffled me.

 
onecanshort [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:09:40 PM  
Bonkthat_Again:

2) How 'bout calling out the assholes (repeat offenders) before booting them? Wouldn't that curb asshatism? (and give the rest of us a chuckle too)


I second that notion, I can't remember the last time a submitter was outed for something. I'm curious if this is a result of less repeat offenders in the submission queue abuse pool, or if it's just not encouraged to out people. Personally I would think outing people, even if not repeate offenders, would cut down on a lot of that crap. Then again, it could cause a backlash like when they put out those Top Ten Most Wanted Gang Member lists.

 
Mouren 2008-10-07 04:09:43 PM  
lemortede: I miss the old Fark.
Trolls and all.
Now everything is modded.
People are not as open or free with what they say.
Most of all I miss the Boobie threads.


I thought that was what Foobies was for >>

 
aniktwo 2008-10-07 04:09:45 PM  
I haven't had a chance to read through everything here (yet) but I just wanted to chime in and say how excited I am that this conversation is happening!

 
Howie Spankowitz [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:09:47 PM  
sarty: Howie Spankowitz: Drew: Oldiron_79: As much stupid shiat as I say that gets me a 24 hr time out just because I'm trolling at the time I'm surprised I'm not permanently banned yet.

I guess the mods are smart enough to know I was just trolling at the time.

It takes a lot to get knocked out permanently. That's our next discussion

Me and my ginormous wang plan on testing this theory in the next TorD thread.

Are we allowed to Pre-report a thread to an admin? ;)


Drew...sarty's trolling me!

 
Speedofdarkness 2008-10-07 04:09:48 PM  
If I would have known it was going to be that kind of party, I'd have stuck my dick in the mash potatoes.

 
Kitwilly [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:09:53 PM  
My ears are burning!

 
Matadero25 2008-10-07 04:09:55 PM  
This thread is worthless withou... wait, I think I clicked on the wrong link.

 
noneyourbase [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:09:55 PM  
So Drew, honest question:

What is the criteria for greenlighting a thread? I usually threads greenlit with several TF replies attached -- so I assumed that if a thread was popular enough in TF, it stood a better chance of going green. But recently I've seen a number of threads go green with no replies. How do the mods decide which of the (0) threads make it to one of the farkLite tabs?

 
NASAM 2008-10-07 04:10:12 PM  
Why can't we discuss banned Farkers?

 
unremarkable asterisk [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:10:13 PM  
SiON42X: unremarkable asterisk: can I go ahead and trademark DarkFark and start my website?

That's racist.


I'm looking to celebrate the darker side.
Embrace it.

 
TheKnownUniverse 2008-10-07 04:10:15 PM  
Drew: People go online drunk and do stupid stuff.

WUT?

 
pwhp_67 2008-10-07 04:10:18 PM  
We work under the assumption that in the larger world of the Internet, there is a certain small percentage of people who exist solely to sow chaos and disorder...


i37.photobucket.com

 
sparky1013 2008-10-07 04:10:19 PM  
the moderation is at best spotty, one day you can call someone fat and no big deal, the next day you make the same comment and you get banned...

 
ThirdGenerationImbecile 2008-10-07 04:10:24 PM  
wpmulligan: Fark moderating: we'll get over it.

Exactly.

It's the semi-annual Fark pretense to holding some level of democratic (note the little "d") values by wanting "our input."

We can't get too annoyed because, like Drew's hypothetical example above, I think they really DO cluelessly believe what they say.....

Of course, you know WHO ELSE believed what they said....

 
earth 2008-10-07 04:10:25 PM  
Don't green light anything I submit.
Oh never mind, you don't anyhow ......



///fark sucks and I love it.

 
mrapropos [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:10:27 PM  
...we're not sending people to jail or executing them.

i was sorely disappointed to learn that 'banning' wasn't a euphemism for jail or execution. basically, you're telling us those jerks who got 'banned' are still out there?!

why have you been misleading us?

 
TraeHova 2008-10-07 04:10:40 PM  
I thought Drew was supposed to be a drunk who couldn't string two sentences together?

Drew is a sandbagger.

 
EsteeFlwrPot [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:10:43 PM  
Hi Drew!

 
Burst_R8 2008-10-07 04:10:47 PM  
As a hardcore lurker with 0 greenlights in over 6 years (Out of maybe 1 submission).. well I guess that isn't really going to go anywhere.

I miss: -Boobies
-Angry calls from my friend because I hosted another photoshop on his cable connection ...
-Boobies
-You'll get over it.

I guess my point is that I haven't been banned for posting or anything because I pretty much never post, but a "Smut"(or whatever) tag with relaxed moderation of posted content would rule (Consenting Adults yada yada)

 
jgilb 2008-10-07 04:10:48 PM  
Drew,

You should write speeches for Sarah Palin. That read about as well as she speaks.

 
organizm 2008-10-07 04:10:51 PM  
This is bad news... for Obama.

 
DragoonBoy 2008-10-07 04:11:01 PM  
If someone has 43 separate logged incidents (as cited in the initial post) against them, is there any way for that person to see what they did wrong and when? Would that even be constructive for people?

 
whereisian 2008-10-07 04:11:08 PM  
Chastain86: Gosh, Drew... I guess the question I have for you is, "What prompted this action?" What sorts of issues have you run afoul of lately that made this kind of disclosure more necessary?

Good question. Response?

 
robsul82 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:11:08 PM  
Actually enforcing the rules against the trolls in the Politics threads would be cool too.

 
R.A.Danny [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:11:10 PM  
xalres: I've had my PS entries deleted because I put a link to my own site, which I host my images off of, below the image. Yet it's okay to post links to imageshack with "Take the dumb test" on the bottom. One of the reasons I haven't gone TF yet.

Have you used Farkback to try and resolve the problem? There is a system for this, and I personally have always had my questions answered.

 
namegoeshere 2008-10-07 04:11:17 PM  
Meh, it's fine the way it is.

 
austinosphere 2008-10-07 04:11:24 PM  
Even where Fark is moderated, some speech is controlled, while other speech is not. Hate speech, for example, is very frowned upon when it comes to race, or perhaps even sexual preference. As it should be. Of course, reasonabe adults can disagree with how far is too far - some things might be gentle teases, without real malicious intent. It's difficult for a moderator or Farker to know every time I guess. Sometimes it's blatant and a moderator will take action.

But although the government prohibits discrimination against race, religion, age, disability, (and should include sexual orientation) - most moderators only think along the lines of racial hate speech.

Maybe that's the only kind of hate speech that matters - because society doesn't care if you make fun of X or Y groups.

But I'm a member of Y group, and there's an image that's shared from time to time on here, that is really sacred, and for my group, it's as offensive as being called a really really bad racial slur. But that's never going to get moderated out around here.

I don't know how many groups are protected by moderation, but in their interest, I'd vote to keep the moderation how it is.

Where's the niche that needs filling of having a dark corner of Fark?

 
moosen 2008-10-07 04:11:41 PM  
Drew

on the topic of photoshop contests:

I understand that the whole point of TF is allow privilege to those who want to pay a little for it. Back when Total Fark was a smaller circle, us liters had a decent shot of getting our foot in the door for the Photoshop contests, to have some relevant input and get noticed. TF has gotten so big, though, that by the time we even see the PS contests these days, they're already 50+ submissions deep. Photoshop contests are what got me hooked on Fark to begin with, but now it's kindof a Total-Farker-only party that we get to spectate.

I know people are going to tell me that i'm biatching or that's the point of TF. It would just be nice if the handicap (time-wise) was about as even as it used to be.

 
Vman [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:11:44 PM  
jgilb: Drew,

You should write speeches for Sarah Palin. That read about as well as she speaks.


Pot; kettle on line two.

 
CrispFlows 2008-10-07 04:11:54 PM  
unremarkable asterisk: Can we have an "Out the Subby" button, please?

THIS!

With so many trolling headlines, it would be nice to either out the subby or vote option to ban submitter

 
helix400 2008-10-07 04:11:55 PM  
Office Ninja: B....S....!
I've returned to find may posts mysteriously deleted that were nothing more than discussions of facts that were obviously not leaning towards the general political sentiment of many other postings.


Nah, it's not BS. If it was your post, just ask them why it was deleted.

A while back, a post of mine was deleted. At first I thought it was something about the politics in it. Nope. I asked, and Drew quickly replied that a moderator was trying to cleanup a threadjacked thread, and did something along the lines of deleting all posts that contained a threadjacking word. My post happened to innocently contain that word (but I wasn't threadjacking), and so the deletion was accidental.

 
queezyweezel [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:11:56 PM  
For those of you trying to understand this in LOL cat terms:

icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com

 
GungFu 2008-10-07 04:11:58 PM  
It's not news
It's FARK's Moderating rules or summat.



/ I can haz vialayshuns?

 
Farkwell Smart 2008-10-07 04:11:59 PM  
if i knew it was a house party i would have brought some mashed potatoes to put my dick in.

 
H_is_for_Heretic 2008-10-07 04:12:07 PM  
followmeinfantry: MorteDiem: At this theoretical house party, what type of alcohol would theoretically be served?

/Jack, straight up.


With biters

 
2sense 2008-10-07 04:12:12 PM  
drew.. what is farks stance on the bridge to nowhere?

for it?

or thanks but no thanks?

 
Clarence Potter 2008-10-07 04:12:17 PM  
DragoonBoy: If someone has 43 separate logged incidents (as cited in the initial post) against them, is there any way for that person to see what they did wrong and when? Would that even be constructive for people?

It would be moreso to know if or (probably) when our actions are noted sans any moderator action.

 
TheMega 2008-10-07 04:12:17 PM  
I submitted this the day before yesterday with an even better headline.

/that one guy said 'poop'!
//slashies make Fark happy
///wearing a lampshade and molesting the family dog makes family dog unhappy.. tin foil needs more wrinkles

 
bob_ross [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:12:20 PM  
Can we pay $100 + Subscription fees to get our history wiped? :D

/what?

 
Tony_Pepperoni 2008-10-07 04:12:23 PM  
i34.tinypic.com

 
AgentOrangeDrink 2008-10-07 04:12:23 PM  
Just let me swear. I won't make every other word a swear word, but just let me do it. I'm not a child, and neither are the rest of us. Or at least most of us.

 
Shadow Blasko [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:12:28 PM  
namegoeshere: Meh, it's fine the way it is.

Account Created 2007-09-11 20:27:00


Get off my lawn.

 
notmtwain [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:12:31 PM  
There are some difficulties I have experienced when trying to submit a link. For example, posting New York Times threads seems to be difficult and I note it isn't even listed as a "Source". Yet people do post New York Times articles sometimes. Could you explain why some major sources aren't listed? (I can't imagine the Times is the only one.) The posting difficulty probably just reflects the unusual way the Times links to its articles.

 
Bonkthat_Again [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:12:32 PM  
unremarkable asterisk: Can we have an "Out the Subby" button, please?

This.
This.
This.

I know we've been asking for it for years, but can you give us an indication why you won't do it?
(even if you set an almost impossible threshold where it happens only 2 or 3 times a year?) ...or better yet...You can only click "out the submitter" vote once a month.

 
mrapier [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:12:38 PM  
boring

 
Barnacles! [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:12:41 PM  
Drew thanks for posting this. I have one question.....why do birds suddenly appear....every time....you are near?

 
AnnoyingKidNextDoor 2008-10-07 04:12:42 PM  
Drew: Oldiron_79: As much stupid shiat as I say that gets me a 24 hr time out just because I'm trolling at the time I'm surprised I'm not permanently banned yet.

I guess the mods are smart enough to know I was just trolling at the time.

It takes a lot to get knocked out permanently. That's our next discussion


Does highlighting your posts in Pink count? If so, I might as well pack up my bags and round up the girls I brought.

/Seriously, how else could I make your posts stand out?

 
CitizenTed [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:12:45 PM  
As a Usenet vet, I can attest that the "freedom reigns!" attitude can kill a forum. Kill it quick. I think Fark has done an exemplary job straddling the barbed wire fence between a free and active interchange vs a Draconian totalitarianism. I have seen a few irritating mosquitoes here, just enough to keep it peppy. These mosquitoes are usually squashed before they do any real harm.

I confess I visit Fark during work hours, so I am 100% behind the current SFW requirements. It keeps Fark on the nicey-nice side of our firewall. You want boobies? Go to boobies.com. It ain't complicated. If Drew let this place descend into soft-core pr0n, he'd lose me and thousands of other regular consumers of advertising space. Fark would die. Drew would be forced into selling cell phones at the mall. No one wants that.

Drew: keep up the current mod approach. It isn't really broke. Don't fix it. Stay vigilant, stay as consistent as you can given circumstances. Things are good. People are happy. The fundamentals of the economy are strong, etc etc. (J/K on that last one).

 
unremarkable asterisk [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:12:49 PM  
Drew: The core problem with politics is it's about winning, as opposed to being right.

It's about winning and NOT being right.
The left shall rise again!

 
sparky1013 2008-10-07 04:12:51 PM  
R.A.Danny: Have you used Farkback to try and resolve the problem? There is a system for this, and I personally have always had my questions answered.

sure they are answered, but when have you ever gotten a ban overturned because the banning itself was totally ridiculous?

there's no appeal process...

 
Pxtl 2008-10-07 04:12:53 PM  
robsul82: Oh, and trolling in the actual political threads. As fun as the Wild West was, eventually we stopped it, you know?

I'm always of mixed emotion about the trolls - when nobody feeds them and they keep saying zany shiat, it becomes a weird, hilarious form of performance art. Sunny Ray, Whoopty, and Darconix are great for a laugh if nobody takes them seriously... but inevitably they hook somebody and you get 10 posts of giant wall-of-text responses that completely derail the thread.

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:12:58 PM  
Shadow Blasko: You lost my $5 a month when I got my wrist slapped for posting a pic (of an absinthe bottle) and got a timeout for posting competitor ads. (In a keystone light "sponsored thread")

In your letter you said there was "over zealous moderation".



A great example of what I'm talking about - when we're wrong, we back it out.

Besides missing the boobies, and missing the old school days (2002) I really hate the whole ambiguity of moderation.

Boobies issues are coming up in the misconceptions section

 
ThurmanMerman 2008-10-07 04:13:08 PM  
I only got banned once, and I still can't figure out why. The message said I had threadjacked, when I was talking about the article. It hurt my feelings and made me cry.

/Hey Drew, we're out of beer over here

 
FootInMouthDisease 2008-10-07 04:13:09 PM  
Drew: The Grinch: ...okay then. I didn't realize that so many people had issues with the mods that there was a need for clarification of this magnitude. Actually, that read a lot like the FArQ; maybe it should be copied over and appended to the end of it, so people have a better idea of what's expected of them right up front.

There aren't, but clarification never hurts. I think the main problem is no one knows this stuff and there's no good way to find it out


Or if you are like me, you had to find out the hard way lol

uh... sorry?

keep up the good work Drew!

/i think i got a vacation for posting that hairy guy in his underwear playing with all his guns...

 
at80eighty 2008-10-07 04:13:11 PM  
In a community of over 4.3 million individuals

the hell? visits a day?

 
HaroldTheScarecrow 2008-10-07 04:13:13 PM  
EL_FABREZ: As long as there's never any emoticons, automatic signatures where people can leave quotes at the end of a post, or stupid pics next to their name, I'll be happy.

Oh so much THIS. AWing is for the profile pages...

 
mrtron 2008-10-07 04:13:21 PM  
Dear Drew...

Your carefully written 'blog' post has been ignored by everyone in here because of your blatant disproval of breasts. You have gone full gay.

Best wishes,

Someone who fornicated your mother.

 
lunchinlewis 2008-10-07 04:13:25 PM  
stappawho: There is a severe lack of cleavage in this thread.

He said he is dealing with the permaban people in the next blog.

 
Dancin_In_Anson [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:13:26 PM  
I love Fark and have spent wasted over five years of my employers time here and have made a lot of friends (and enemies but that's irrelevant) and I rarely get into trouble that I know of. That being said, I really have a problem with a certain type of ban that gets handed out now and again. I don't know how prevalent it is but it's mere existence really bothers me.

And that's all I've got to say about that.

 
Barakku [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:13:39 PM  
AgentOrangeDrink: It's a house party with no cursing! Except for ass, asshole, bastard, fag, and any other completely arbitrarily decided upon words!

I wondered abut this: what's the point in the filter? I assume to keep it work safe or civil?

 
Frank N Stein [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:13:42 PM  
Drew: I do a lot of thinking when I'm driving around, mainly because when I'm not on the net I don't have to react to randomly-occurring issues needing my attention. At some point on a long drive it occurred to me that a huge majority of issues people have with Fark's moderating process are due to the fact that people don't actually know what we're doing. Fark operates very differently than any other website I can think of, and there's no indication of this in our FAQ or anywhere else. We don't have a discussion of Internet Community Theory anywhere. So in a bid to cut down on a bunch of the false positives we've been getting, here's the first of a multi-part discussion of what we're doing on our end and how it's different from other sites.

6/10

 
RoyBatty 2008-10-07 04:13:52 PM  
Of all the changes I've seen in FARK, the one I can't stand was not initiated by management.

I hate all the callings of "troll" and "concern troll" that have come to FARK from idiotic political sites.

There certainly are trolls, and sometimes they are laugh out loud funny and sometimes not.

But calling people troll and concern troll as if that were some sort of legitimate argument is just bullshiat. Concern troll, especially, basically means "someone I disagree with who I can't rebut."

So if I were a mod, I'd timeout anyone who uses the word "concern troll"

The rest of FARK is basically okay, though it needs more boobies.

 
YouWinAgainGravity 2008-10-07 04:13:59 PM  
Do you have any kinds of "shifts" for moderators or people that handle Farkbacks, or is it all on a volunteer basis? I realize you guys probably get very busy with the queue at times, and I'm sure there are people that abuse the feedback options that are available, but it would be nice to know what kind of turnaround time there is when we click the Notify Admins or Moderators link, or send a farkback.

 
San-LC 2008-10-07 04:14:25 PM  
Holy crap! I had no idea Drew was a TotalFarker. That blows my mind!

 
lordargent 2008-10-07 04:14:25 PM  
Drew: Fark is a house party.

nickdrewe.com

/had to be done
/play is a mod?

 
aniktwo 2008-10-07 04:14:30 PM  
IdahoPrime: Oh, and this place used to be a lot cooler before lolcats.

How can we go from CranberryZero to chuckleheads thinking that dumb text on cat pics is cool?
The days of Fark being awesome are long gone, sorry.


No, lolcats make this place funnier. Sorry.

 
TheKnownUniverse 2008-10-07 04:14:31 PM  
I'd like to go on record as saying that an "out the submitter" button would suck. I'm probably alone in that thought, though.

 
Philip J. Fry 2008-10-07 04:14:33 PM  
Are there posts we may have been tagged for making, but not notified or punished for? If I've crossed a line and the moderators are noting it and it eventually gets me in a trouble I'd rather just avoid it from the start.

Like some sort of infraction log like:
9/11/2008 - "Philip J. Fry sacrificed a puppy!"
10/1/2008 - "Philip J. Fry sacrificed another three puppies. Two more and he gets a timeout."
10/7/2008 - "Philip J. Fry, What's this kid's problem with puppies? 1 Month Ban."

That's something I'd like to know sooner rather than later.

 
phlegmmo [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:14:35 PM  
There's a series of drop-down boxes on our end to ensure that the sliding scale is consist.

Who writes this stuff?

 
pwhp_67 2008-10-07 04:14:40 PM  
sparky1013: the moderation is at best spotty, one day you can call someone fat and no big deal, the next day you make the same comment and you get banned...


I understand that they can't see everything and that they miss things but I think for the small stuff, delete the post and send them an email. A slap on the wrist for the petty stuff. Or a one hour time out if they want to make sure you noticed it...

 
LeftCoast_eh 2008-10-07 04:14:44 PM  
Fark is modded? Who knew?

I mean, if a post disappears how would you know? It's not like there is a marker showing where it was or anything.

Maybe there should be a marker along with the reason:

LeftCoast_eh - Post removed because of boobies!

 
nicoffeine 2008-10-07 04:14:45 PM  
Shadow Blasko: namegoeshere: Meh, it's fine the way it is.

Account Created 2007-09-11 20:27:00


Get off my lawn.


I agree with namegoeshere.

Account number pissing contest! WEEEEEE!

 
2wolves [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:14:47 PM  
Your sandbox, I just bring my Tonkas in to play.

People will vote with their clicks if they believe it's gotten oppressive.

/one vacation notch on my belt

 
palexc 2008-10-07 04:14:47 PM  
The mods do a pretty good job as far as I can tell, and it's always been blatantly systematic, not random.

The deserve a round of applause for herding the scum loudmouths of the internet.

 
R.A.Danny [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:14:59 PM  
sparky1013: but when have you ever gotten a ban overturned because the banning itself was totally ridiculous?

there's no appeal process...


I got a ban overturned when I was completely in the wrong.

 
The Black Spy 2008-10-07 04:15:04 PM  
Who is Drew?

 
aniktwo 2008-10-07 04:15:06 PM  
TheKnownUniverse: I'd like to go on record as saying that an "out the submitter" button would suck. I'm probably alone in that thought, though.

No, I totally agree with you. It would get used every farking time, and that kind of kills the fun.

 
smooshie 2008-10-07 04:15:11 PM  
notmtwain: There are some difficulties I have experienced when trying to submit a link. For example, posting New York Times threads seems to be difficult and I note it isn't even listed as a "Source". Yet people do post New York Times articles sometimes. Could you explain why some major sources aren't listed? (I can't imagine the Times is the only one.) The posting difficulty probably just reflects the unusual way the Times links to its articles.

IIRC, the idiots at the NYT redirect the link in a weird way that confuses the Fark submission button.

 
robsul82 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:15:17 PM  
Pxtl: robsul82: Oh, and trolling in the actual political threads. As fun as the Wild West was, eventually we stopped it, you know?

I'm always of mixed emotion about the trolls - when nobody feeds them and they keep saying zany shiat, it becomes a weird, hilarious form of performance art. Sunny Ray, Whoopty, and Darconix are great for a laugh if nobody takes them seriously... but inevitably they hook somebody and you get 10 posts of giant wall-of-text responses that completely derail the thread.


Exactly. The Farkers who do nothing but post stupid cartoons, same thing. The rules clearly state that all of those Farkers, and the various other names that I won't mention but Politics regulars will know of whom I speak...they shouldn't be here, but they're allowed day after day to derail threads and hijack conversations. That shouldn't happen.

 
Stratigus64 2008-10-07 04:15:21 PM  
Tony_Pepperoni
[Ha Ha Guy]

That's the spirit!!

//No Rly tho...

 
sparky1013 2008-10-07 04:15:36 PM  
what about shadowbans?

are you still denying that they exist?


/not really pissing on you Drew, just bringing up things that need to be addressed...

 
Clarence Potter 2008-10-07 04:15:51 PM  
TheKnownUniverse: I'd like to go on record as saying that an "out the submitter" button would suck. I'm probably alone in that thought, though.

Nope, no you are not... The discussion should be (IMHO) about the article, not the headline. Yeah, I comment about them too, but usually that is more a snickering aside than as a serious point of discussion.

 
Fano [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:15:52 PM  
EL_FABREZ: As long as there's never any emoticons, automatic signatures where people can leave quotes at the end of a post, or stupid pics next to their name, I'll be happy.

Seconded. I hate forums that do that because there are about 3 posts per page with only like two words per post, the rest taken up by sigs and photos. I like reading when a thread has hit over a hundred posts. I do not like recursive posts where you have to click on each post to see the next one. Good jorb!

 
DrKillPatient [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:15:55 PM  
Sorry, no complaints. I personally appreciate that the mods keep somewhat tighter control than other sites.

 
The Icelander [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:16:00 PM  
Fark: A house party for people who can't get their parents out of the house.

 
whereisian 2008-10-07 04:16:02 PM  
Drew: The core problem with politics is it's about winning, as opposed to being right.

I disagree. There are plenty of liberal and conservative farkers that try and make their points and discuss, joke and lulz. Right now, more than ever, honest political discussion should be encouraged and not just turned into a football game. I think farkers deserve more credit or you are more cynical than you admit.

 
melopene [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:16:07 PM  
Moderator: Rabid Bunnies: Can we get this sticked in TFD for a while? I think there are a lot of people who don't often venture outside of there.

I made a thread about it, so it's there now with comments closed.


Why is it that I often see you quoted from threads, but can never find your actual comment? It's irritating.

noneyourbase: So Drew, honest question:

What is the criteria for greenlighting a thread? I usually threads greenlit with several TF replies attached -- so I assumed that if a thread was popular enough in TF, it stood a better chance of going green. But recently I've seen a number of threads go green with no replies. How do the mods decide which of the (0) threads make it to one of the farkLite tabs?


Admins pick the greens, and TFers can see greenlit links that aren't posted to literland yet. Usually they get commented on, sometimes they don't.

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:16:10 PM  
whereisian: My only comments.

1. Crack down on alts. Without naming names, there are a few really funny trolls which add colour and stimulate discussion. But more often than not, they simply disrupt. The ignore list is not sufficient.


FWIW creating an alt draws moderator attention, in a bad way. We pretty much assume trolling is what they're for

2. Stop greenlighting trolly headlines that completely misrepresent the story. The 'hero' tag abuse is particularly worrisome.

A lot of these instances fall into the political realm where some people, sometimes a minority, would argue it's warranted.

I don't think any expects fark to be a bastion of truth, but it has always, IMHO, been honest. Like my favorite trolls. Overall, the mods are successful, but there is room for improvement.

I agree completely, there is always room for improvement.

 
tiggerfan [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:16:31 PM  
absoluteparanoia: Drew: I'm going to take whatever the final version is and make a big ass FAQ out of it

Could you please make an ADD version of this?


1. Don't do anything here you wouldn't do in front of your parents or your priest.
2. If you are going to violate rule #1, do it less then once every 6 months, unless it is a spectacular violation, then do it less then once a year.

 
omega male [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:16:32 PM  
I think the moderators do a damn good job. I have been a product of their actions before and I have learned from those actions. They do a damn good job about keeping the riffraff out.

/ side note... I dont think the day the NYSE crashes a CRAP load would have been the day i would have sprung this on the public. You might get a few investors venting about that and taking it out on Fark®

 
sparky1013 2008-10-07 04:16:35 PM  
R.A.Danny: I got a ban overturned when I was completely in the wrong.

how long did it take? my experience is days, sometimes even weeks..

 
lima beans [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:16:39 PM  
sparky1013: the moderation is at best spotty, one day you can call someone fat and no big deal, the next day you make the same comment and you get banned...

DID YOU CALL ME FAT??????

 
the biggest redneck here [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:16:44 PM  
I've been an asshole here for years and have never received so much as a warning (I may be wrong, but if I have I was drunk and don't remember). Fu*king moderators must realize that some posters just know better than to take it TOO far... or something.

/biatches
//ain't shiat

 
Sumpinlikedat 2008-10-07 04:16:46 PM  
Drew: Boobies issues are coming up in the misconceptions section

Issues with boobies could be a whole other Freudian discussion.

 
the_pgoat [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:16:46 PM  
The folks who are saying insane things they don't believe just to get a rise out someone...?

Yeah, that someone is always me. I think it regulates itself, though. There's always someone in the thread who lets me know I've been duped. *shrug*

 
redoctober65 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:16:48 PM  
Not a question Drew, I just wanted to know if you'd grant me the power to smite

/oh... how I would smite
//and those smote would stay smote
///yes, like you over there, you know who you are. Don't for a second think there wouldn't be a smiting with your name on it
////Mmmmmmmmmmmmuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaa!

 
St00pidN00b [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:16:49 PM  
Would this be where I make snarky comments about submitter?

 
Shadow Blasko [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:16:50 PM  
Drew: A great example of what I'm talking about - when we're wrong, we back it out.

Besides missing the boobies, and missing the old school days (2002) I really hate the whole ambiguity of moderation.

Boobies issues are coming up in the misconceptions section


Thank you sir, gentleman and a scholar. etc...

Misconceptions Section would be an awesome band name.

 
Shiat talking Mushrooms 2008-10-07 04:16:52 PM  
Drew:I do a lot of thinking

LOL SHENANIGANS

 
FarkinHostile 2008-10-07 04:16:54 PM  
We have several community members that were constantly being banned from Fark five years ago, but not today.


Ha ha! Drew mentioned me!

 
albo [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:16:56 PM  
RoyBatty: But calling people troll and concern troll as if that were some sort of legitimate argument is just bullshiat. Concern troll, especially, basically means "someone I disagree with who I can't rebut

i agree. i also support the modding of TFers who vote down a link because the headline pokes fun at their guy, even though the headline may be funny and the link good.

 
jgilb 2008-10-07 04:16:57 PM  
Vman: jgilb: Drew,

You should write speeches for Sarah Palin. That read about as well as she speaks.

Pot; kettle on line two.



Touche. Ya betcha.

 
RabidDog [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:17:01 PM  
Can I have my record wiped?
I'm good now, honest.

 
Gunny Highway 2008-10-07 04:17:05 PM  
Fark takes a different approach altogether. Fark isn't attempting to emulate any real world society. Fark is a house party. Everyone's welcome to come and I certainly hope they have fun at the party and enjoy themselves. People who complain that the food sucks, the decor is bad, and the people at the party are jerks will eventually get shown the door. Sometimes people get thrown out of the party, try to get back in and claim that it was perfectly fine because the front door was unlocked.

I like that

 
RanDomino 2008-10-07 04:17:21 PM  
yeah, chaos. There's two things that suck ass in the world: Order, and Entropy, and also your mother so I guess that makes three things.

Order is a state of everything being identical in a perfect state of thermodynamic... um, order. Entropy is a state of everything being identical in a perfect state of dissipated energy. A perfectly geometrical, infinitely dense universe is an example of the former; an empty universe is an example of the latter.

I refer to Chaos as the transition between the two. Chaos is where the good times happen. Under Order, nothing happens. Under Entropy, nothing can happen. So that's why assholes have to run around yelling and knocking stuff over every once in a while, but why they need to be thrown into the nearest available moat if they stop being disruptive and start just being destructive.

So, hail to those who poop on threads, in the name of Eris.

 
TheDumbBlonde [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:17:25 PM  
Well I have NEVER gotten a time out. So there.

 
Outtaphase [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:17:26 PM  
Bonkthat_Again: 1)Can you give us a screenshot (or an MSPaint rendition) of a mod's screen? (just curious)

I second this, it would be pretty cool to see how everything seems to get handled so efficiently. I know the modmins talk about the NDA and all, but if the top secret stuff were blacked out it would still be cool to look at.

 
vudukungfu 2008-10-07 04:17:32 PM  
So, DREW, is it true?
Did you get hitched?

 
lima beans [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:17:33 PM  
Drew: whereisian: My only comments.

1. Crack down on alts. Without naming names, there are a few really funny trolls which add colour and stimulate discussion. But more often than not, they simply disrupt. The ignore list is not sufficient.

FWIW creating an alt draws moderator attention, in a bad way. We pretty much assume trolling is what they're for

2. Stop greenlighting trolly headlines that completely misrepresent the story. The 'hero' tag abuse is particularly worrisome.

A lot of these instances fall into the political realm where some people, sometimes a minority, would argue it's warranted.

I don't think any expects fark to be a bastion of truth, but it has always, IMHO, been honest. Like my favorite trolls. Overall, the mods are successful, but there is room for improvement.

I agree completely, there is always room for improvement.


I am the first bean

 
aniktwo 2008-10-07 04:17:38 PM  
DrKillPatient: Sorry, no complaints. I personally appreciate that the mods keep somewhat tighter control than other sites.

Yeah, I really don't mind the moderation. I prefer it to sites that just get bombed by spam. Newsgroups anyone?

 
Overfiend 2008-10-07 04:17:40 PM  
I like pie.

But seriously, I do understand these rules. I know that the mods and admins are doing there best. I also think Drew is the coolest guy I've ever not met.

/Really!

 
elvisbloom 2008-10-07 04:17:41 PM  
robsul82: Pxtl: robsul82: Oh, and trolling in the actual political threads. As fun as the Wild West was, eventually we stopped it, you know?


Exactly. The Farkers who do nothing but post stupid cartoons, same thing. The rules clearly state that all of those Farkers, and the various other names that I won't mention but Politics regulars will know of whom I speak...they shouldn't be here, but they're allowed day after day to derail threads and hijack conversations. That shouldn't happen.


Will naming names get someone banned? Cause I could list a few too.

 
moistD 2008-10-07 04:17:44 PM  
I enjoy the way things work right now. although when you submit a headline and it doesn't get through, but TFers still post on it. The submitter should be able to see what was written on it. Even if they are not TFers

 
Sumpinlikedat 2008-10-07 04:17:51 PM  
TheKnownUniverse: I'd like to go on record as saying that an "out the submitter" button would suck. I'm probably alone in that thought, though.

You're not alone. I agree. Especially since a certain anonymizing submission site went away.

 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:17:51 PM  
Question (more from curiosity rather than fear):

I submitted a headline once and got a 24-hour ban for "Parody Thread" (if memory serves). I didn't (and still don't) have any idea what that means and figured an admin misunderstood my headline,* or that my headline unintentionally mimicked something else that was troublesome.

So I shrugged my shoulders and thought "Oh well. I can live without posting any headlines till tomorrow; it's hardly worth complaining or appealing."

Having read your post, though, I'm wondering if I should have. I'd hate for an honest mistake to contribute to that sliding scale you mentioned.

Thoughts?

* I even remember the subject and headline: There was a false rumor running around that day that Will Ferrell had died. I linked to a news.google.com item about it with the headline "No More Cowbell" and the Sad tag. I didn't worry when it got redlighted, but later I went to submit something else and found out I was banned for posting a "Parody Thread."

I'm not an eidetiker; I just remember because I was scratching my head and thinking "What the hell was that all about?"

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:17:52 PM  
Chastain86: Gosh, Drew... I guess the question I have for you is, "What prompted this action?" What sorts of issues have you run afoul of lately that made this kind of disclosure more necessary?

I guess I haven't seen firsthand that there are a lot more jerks around these days than there ever has been. It's cyclical.

Of course, none of this says anything about why I can't seem to buy a greenlight on the weekends and never have. Guess I'm not funny enough on Saturdays and Sundays. ;)


No reason in particular, it's just needed doing. And I said I would about two months ago, just now getting around to it.

 
Cyberluddite [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:18:07 PM  
TheKnownUniverse: I'd like to go on record as saying that an "out the submitter" button would suck. I'm probably alone in that thought, though.

Yeah, the only way it would not suck is if it required very extreme circumstances for the submitter to be outed. Otherwise there would be a small but vocal (and rotating) collection of douchebags clamoring for an outing in just about every thread.

 
Dancin_In_Anson [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:18:10 PM  
sparky1013: when have you ever gotten a ban overturned because the banning itself was totally ridiculous?

I have...It took a couple of hours but it all worked out in the long run. I don't know that it was 'ridiculous' but there was a lot of misunderstanding on the part of many people...

That was a loooong couple of hours too.

 
sparky1013 2008-10-07 04:18:10 PM  
lima beans: DID YOU CALL ME FAT??????

well you ARE! i can't help it if i speak the truth...

 
Chronomorte 2008-10-07 04:18:17 PM  
I would like to chime in as well regarding the political trolls - I say 1 warning then ban them.

 
Solid State Vittles [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:18:25 PM  
Can someone give me the Cliff's Notes version of this thread? I'm scared and need a hug.

 
towatchoverme 2008-10-07 04:18:25 PM  
As a means of flushing out the trolls, i humbly request one Global Warming and one Awful-Tragedy-Involving-Children thread to be greenlighted each week.

I find those threads very useful for populating my ignore list.

Trolls don't bother me.

Alts are much trickier. On the one hand, an alt in a politics thread will often argue a position far better than its actual supporter ... but on the other hand, if the point is to have an actual discussion between lots of people and not a piece of performance art designed by a few people, alts get in the way.

What i'm really saying is i hate more than half of you most of the time, and i like less than half of you half as much as you deserve.

 
ShereKhan 2008-10-07 04:18:25 PM  
This thread is useless without pictures

 
skankboy [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:18:26 PM  
I, for one support our existing overlords.

 
make me some tea [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:18:31 PM  
The biggest complaint I hear about Fark bans is the lack of/vague/assholish response when the bannee Farkbacks asking where he/she went wrong.

I would guess it's very difficult to know what you've done that brought on the ban if there is no response given. People are left to guess what happened, and their imaginations start running wild. Better communication is probably the key to doing this successfully.

 
jimpapa 2008-10-07 04:18:37 PM  
And now Fark is trying to become like all other forums with the "first page, next , last page" crap. C'mon:(

 
at80eighty 2008-10-07 04:18:40 PM  
also Drew , my take & experience is - ive gotten bans & timeouts for deserved reasons. ive also had them for some fairly stupid ones too. i agree with sparky the moderation is anything from consistent. & frankly getting even a reply sometimes is...well...

i'd like to ask you why a certain religion farker gets to violate the FarQ for YEARS & nothing ever happens. feel free to ask me his login & the part he violates

 
Five Tails of Fury 2008-10-07 04:18:41 PM  
noneyourbase: So Drew, honest question:

What is the criteria for greenlighting a thread? I usually threads greenlit with several TF replies attached -- so I assumed that if a thread was popular enough in TF, it stood a better chance of going green. But recently I've seen a number of threads go green with no replies. How do the mods decide which of the (0) threads make it to one of the farkLite tabs?


THIS


/figures it's anti-liter sentiment that's shot down his brilliant submissions

 
bob_ross [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:18:42 PM  
Outtaphase: Bonkthat_Again: 1)Can you give us a screenshot (or an MSPaint rendition) of a mod's screen? (just curious)

I second this, it would be pretty cool to see how everything seems to get handled so efficiently. I know the modmins talk about the NDA and all, but if the top secret stuff were blacked out it would still be cool to look at.


Photoshop contest?

 
Mayostard [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:18:44 PM  
I received a 24 hour ban for posting a picture of a girl showing 2 inches of her thong, the rest covered by jeans, while others were posting almost full-blown tits in threads surrounding it, yet mine was yanked, and the ban instituted. No warning, just a ban.

Drew was great at answering my initial email to him (really appreciated...seriously), but Farkback was useless, as expected. Not many presidents/owners/CEOs/founders/etc. would do that for a "customer". However, that one left a sour taste.

Pretty lousy moderating by whoever handled that one. IMO

 
the biggest redneck here [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:18:45 PM  
D'OH!! No, wait, I just remembered- I got banninated for like 24 hours back in the day for posting pics of a dead cat (who knew?)and once more for a semi-poo-style thread that must've gone too far.

 
pwhp_67 2008-10-07 04:18:48 PM  
tiggerfan: 1. Don't do anything here you wouldn't do in front of your parents or your priest.


Can't you find a Mormon discussion board or something?

That's the most anti-FARK statement I think I have ever heard...

 
Dread Pirate Slasher [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:18:51 PM  
I think you guys do a decent job of moderating. I've taken one time out, but I knew I probably would when I posted the parroty thread. The time out gave me time to reflect on what a dumbass I was ;)

 
JeffTL 2008-10-07 04:19:03 PM  
Well said, Drew. The reason I keep sticking around Fark is that the moderation philosophy is successful -- people can say what they like as long as they aren't too disruptive.

Compare this one message board I go to where threads in the off topic section disappear when anyone says anything remotely critical of John McCain...

 
melopene [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:19:03 PM  
Drew: FWIW creating an alt draws moderator attention, in a bad way. We pretty much assume trolling is what they're for

But when we've logged into TF from another person's computer and they later decide to create an account, they can't, and the system tells them that they've got 'too many logins already'.

My best friend can't create a stupid login for this very reason, and I never got any reply from my farkback explaining that no, I wasn't creating an alt, but neither of us could get an account created for her.

 
MalloreeH 2008-10-07 04:19:03 PM  
i guess you've got to be a complete troll for most of that to concern you...

 
lily25 2008-10-07 04:19:06 PM  
CrispFlows: unremarkable asterisk: Can we have an "Out the Subby" button, please?

THIS!

With so many trolling headlines, it would be nice to either out the subby or vote option to ban submitter


Ohh good idea. I concur!

 
oldfarthenry [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:19:15 PM  
Remember those `Ask a mod/admin' sessions we used to have - where we would ask question after question and the thread would dumb-down to a insulting retarded level and Jeff would freak all over us?
I miss those.

 
emocomputerjock 2008-10-07 04:19:16 PM  
albo: RoyBatty: But calling people troll and concern troll as if that were some sort of legitimate argument is just bullshiat. Concern troll, especially, basically means "someone I disagree with who I can't rebut

i agree. i also support the modding of TFers who vote down a link because the headline pokes fun at their guy, even though the headline may be funny and the link good.


This sort of behavior is exactly why I don't even bother with the Politics tab anymore.

 
R.A.Danny [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:19:16 PM  
sparky1013: how long did it take? my experience is days, sometimes even weeks..

45 minutes. I asked what I did wrong, was told, apologized and promised to pay more attention to the asshat I portray in real life, and was unbanned.

 
hd2003fatboy 2008-10-07 04:19:18 PM  
All sounds good to me. It is your house and I appreciate being invited to the party. No objections to your running the show, at your house, exactly as you see fit.

Good work.

 
HunterNIU 2008-10-07 04:19:20 PM  
I'm moderating your comments right now, and I'm getting a kick out of these replies...



/well i should be anyway.

 
merlotguy [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:19:20 PM  
wow, that must have been a long ride.

I have been here for a while, and have been banned before. I knew why and when and when I could come back.

After a short time I realized TotalFark to really be a community, and that IS what I like about it. Do I care if someone tells me to EABOD's every now and then, no. Do I want to come to a site where everyone is told that regardless of a post in a thread, no. But it seems that immature behavior has been dealt with and cleaned up.

Anyway, I like the strip club analogy. I have visited 4, and sometimes pop in to see what is going on, but have NO interest in hanging out as a regular.

What was your question?

 
Udontknowme 2008-10-07 04:19:30 PM  
Hey, I've been at this theoretical house party for 3 years and haven't found the theoretical keg yet.

Also haven't been greenlit....and let me tell you, the stuff I submitted made me laugh my arse off..you guys would've loved 'em.

This is a great site. Thanks for the Mod Blog.

Seriously Drew...what makes me laugh the most is when I hear some talking head TV or radio type doing a "lighter" story which has obviously been posted on and stolen from Fark....because I read it VERBATIM the day before. It's actually a weekly occurence here. The FM afternoon DJ's are the absolute worst.

 
Rev.K [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:19:31 PM  
Hi Drew

I bought your book, does this mean I can do whatever I want on the site?

 
The Fonz [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:19:34 PM  
I'm a news junkie too, so I'm really getting a kick out of these comments.

 
Bob Ondeeznuts 2008-10-07 04:19:35 PM  
farm3.static.flickr.com

OMFG DREW IS IN THIS THREAD!!!!

 
lima beans [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:19:36 PM  
TheDumbBlonde: Well I have NEVER gotten a time out. So there.

sparky1013: lima beans: DID YOU CALL ME FAT??????

well you ARE! i can't help it if i speak the truth...


dammit

 
aniktwo 2008-10-07 04:19:37 PM  
thepensivepoet: FarkinHostile: We have several community members that were constantly being banned from Fark five years ago, but not today.


Ha ha! Drew mentioned me!

litersayswhat?

OOHHHHHHHHHHHHHH


www.crapfilter.net

Oops pow surprise!

 
Tin Foil Milliner [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:19:41 PM  
Don't taze the poop threads, bro!

 
MissFeasance [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:19:43 PM  
LineNoise: Drew, quick question, will you be posting something along these lines in regards to how TF works?

I agree. The rules seem to be a bit different over there and clarification is never a bad thing.

 
Solid State Vittles [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:19:46 PM  
Somehow I think this all might be my fault. I'm very sorry.

:(

 
Dirtball [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:19:47 PM  
TheKnownUniverse: I'd like to go on record as saying that an "out the submitter" button would suck. I'm probably alone in that thought, though.

No, it would suck. The people who call for it are all wannabe mods who think it'll help this site, when in fact, some of the best threads out there have been ridiculous submissions that turned into trainwrecks.

 
trojan372 2008-10-07 04:19:55 PM  
I mostly lurk, but one thing I notice is that some TFamous people get away with things that would get any "normal" poster a timeout. Sometimes there doesn't seem to be a ton of consistency.

 
VonKraut 2008-10-07 04:19:59 PM  
man fark is taking itself way too seriously recently.

 
robsul82 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:20:02 PM  
elvisbloom: robsul82: Pxtl: robsul82: Oh, and trolling in the actual political threads. As fun as the Wild West was, eventually we stopped it, you know?


Exactly. The Farkers who do nothing but post stupid cartoons, same thing. The rules clearly state that all of those Farkers, and the various other names that I won't mention but Politics regulars will know of whom I speak...they shouldn't be here, but they're allowed day after day to derail threads and hijack conversations. That shouldn't happen.

Will naming names get someone banned? Cause I could list a few too.


I'm operating on the idea that naming names is frowned upon by Drew and the mods. But like I said, the Politics regulars know who they are, and the rules don't ever seem to be enforced against them. I don't give a shiat about how cute their cartoons are, or how divorced from reality they can be. I give a shiat that perfectly good threads, with intelligent adults of all political leanings, get derailed day after day because those rotten apples just go along without consequence.

 
stargazer101 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:20:05 PM  
Will the political bents of moderators and their ensuing biases towards greenlighting vs. redlighting be discussed? I hope so.

 
woodyerik [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:20:06 PM  
I think the house party and strip club analogies are incredibly accurate and, for me at least, helped me understand where you were coming from with this.

While I am in the "happy with the way things are" crowd, I appreciate you addressing this. I look forward to part two where my "issues" will hopefully be raised...

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:20:06 PM  
Bonkthat_Again: 1)Can you give us a screenshot (or an MSPaint rendition) of a mod's screen? (just curious)

it's not particularly interesting. Just a bunch of extra flagging options.

2) How 'bout calling out the assholes (repeat offenders) before booting them? Wouldn't that curb asshatism? (and give the rest of us a chuckle too)

We're trying to avoid making extra work for ourselves

 
Barnacles! [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:20:11 PM  
ShereKhan: This thread is useless without pictures

img522.imageshack.us

 
mrapier [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:20:14 PM  
strip clubs? thumbs down dude

 
Bob Balaban 2008-10-07 04:20:15 PM  
Here are the fark boobies:

Foobies (new window)

 
littlett's [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:20:16 PM  
Shiat talking Mushrooms: Drew:I do a lot of thinking

LOL SHENANIGANS


Just play along with him StM.

 
at80eighty 2008-10-07 04:20:16 PM  
melopene: Why is it that I often see you quoted from threads, but can never find your actual comment? It's irritating.

LOLOLOLOLOLLOLOL

 
apackagefromted 2008-10-07 04:20:17 PM  
I'll be hanging out in the thread for a bit but I'm doing 100 other things atm so some responses may be slow.

img353.imageshack.us

 
DeanMoriarty 2008-10-07 04:20:20 PM  
let me double the call for clearer more consistent feedback mechanisms.

 
aniktwo 2008-10-07 04:20:24 PM  
Tin Foil Milliner: Don't taze the poop threads, bro!

I am glad that poop threads get yanked. They're grossssss!

 
seveword 2008-10-07 04:20:27 PM  
I don't care how many big words you use, I'm not giving you five bucks.

 
lima beans [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:20:27 PM  
Bob Ondeeznuts: HIS THREAD!!!!

bobobobobobobobob!
HI!!!!

 
mrtron 2008-10-07 04:20:29 PM  
Let me add one more thought - the more boobies the better.

Evidence below.

www.drunkenbearhuntingclub.com

 
I_C_Weener [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:20:34 PM  
The Black Spy: Who is Drew?

Obviously some busybody submitter who got a few greenlights and thinks he can dictate terms to us. But ohhhhh no. I'm on to you "Mr. High Falutin I can post a thread about the Mods". You can't tell us what to do. You aren't the boss of me.

I say we all report this yahoo to the Mods. The button is right there at the bottom of the page. Report this Drew guy for abuse of the queue!

 
maudibjr 2008-10-07 04:20:34 PM  
I have never had a problem with the moderation.

I would like to see more boobies threads.

 
onecanshort [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:20:35 PM  
jimpapa: And now Fark is trying to become like all other forums with the "first page, next , last page" crap. C'mon:(

Hell no, that shiat is a lifesaver when you try to load up 2000 posts in Firefox and shiat crashes.

Other forums do that because they have sigs, avatars, allow all kinds of stupid fluff on top of posts and what turns into a 20 page thread is really 2 pages of actual text.

 
EsteeFlwrPot [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:20:39 PM  
Farkwell Smart: if i knew it was a house party i would have brought some mashed potatoes to put my dick in.

I lol'd

You never answered my hello, Drew. I thought we had something special. You told me you loved me...

*cries*

 
Pxtl 2008-10-07 04:20:47 PM  
whereisian: 2. Stop greenlighting trolly headlines that completely misrepresent the story. The 'hero' tag abuse is particularly worrisome.

This. Troll headlines suck.

The whole "look, we greenlit three piles of utterly-stupid right-wing flamebait, now let's greenlight an utterly stupid left-wing flamebait post" irritates me too. Hard to complain about feeding the trolls on Fark while Fark feeds the trolls in the news world.

 
Mayostard [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:20:49 PM  
Eh... this probably wasn't the place to bring it up.

 
Suflig 2008-10-07 04:20:51 PM  
No apologies for the Tolstoy?

 
GregoryD 2008-10-07 04:20:51 PM  
I've been here a long time and I appreciate how fark admins run things. They are the fairest set of levelheaded people you will ever come across.

 
towatchoverme 2008-10-07 04:20:52 PM  
RoyBatty: So if I were a mod, I'd timeout anyone who uses the word "concern troll"

You sound ... as though you have a vested interest in the subject at hand.

 
andyofne [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:20:55 PM  
I'm not reading all that!

Can't you find your ENTER key?!@#!@#!@

 
IncubatorJones 2008-10-07 04:20:55 PM  
houseparty? i have to confess: i wiped my ass on the drapes. i felt bad about that so i jerked off on the dog.

 
dimoko [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:21:00 PM  
can there be a TFark version of this thread? one without the silly images?

 
barefoot in the head [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:21:02 PM  
Fark is the only place I visit daily, without fail. Thanks.

Why is two lines of text, a picture of nothing much and a foot of whitespace considered an "article" worth greenlighting?

The language arbitration is a bit hard to fathom, as well. Degrees of obscene?

 
drew46n2 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:21:07 PM  
My name is also Drew, so im really getting a kick out of these posts.

 
MisterTweak 2008-10-07 04:21:08 PM  
I think you're on to something. The difference between the NY Times and Digg is an editor; someone who realizes 50 pages of near-identical stories, while each good, doesn't make for an interesting read.

I've been disappointed when one of my genius submissions doesn't get greenlit, but, most of the time I can see it just wasn't funny enough, or a little too obscure, or there was one like it a day earlier.

Two changes I would like: I've occasionally tried to submit a link only to be told it was submitted well over a year ago. I know there are the fanatics who can point out every repeat, but, it's clearly possible to make a good, fresh headline out of old information (and sometimes, it's possible to make WONDERFUL headlines about it, if the schadenfreude factor is high enough).

Second, some headlines are just dripping with nastiness, or are linkspam. How 'bout a feature to allow users to ignore headlines by a submitter? (and if there's already a way to do this, I stand by my argument that just because something was published, doesn't mean everyone's heard it)

*cough*and less visual clutter on the TF mainpage. Raise the price a buck if you have to.

 
vernterv [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:21:15 PM  
Drew. Can I be a mod? I'm bored.

 
bob_ross [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:21:26 PM  
and just to get this out of the way...

img386.imageshack.us

 
littlett's [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:21:30 PM  
Solid State Vittles: Somehow I think this all might be my fault. I'm very sorry.

:(


Naw, Fife ruind TF. So I'm sure he ruined this too.

 
Seacop 2008-10-07 04:21:35 PM  
Bob Ondeeznuts: OMFG DREW IS IN THIS THREAD!!!!

Where's WIL??????

 
Mirrorz 2008-10-07 04:21:41 PM  
Anyone want to buy me a beer or possibly sponsor me for a month? My Totalfark account ran out again. Doh!!

 
le_mous 2008-10-07 04:21:47 PM  
I think it's fine the way it is.

 
pwhp_67 2008-10-07 04:21:47 PM  
Bob Ondeeznuts: OMFG DREW IS IN THIS THREAD!!!!


Run!

 
Shadow Blasko [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:21:48 PM  
TheKnownUniverse: I'd like to go on record as saying that an "out the submitter" button would suck. I'm probably alone in that thought, though.

No, I agree completely

 
BoySchwen 2008-10-07 04:21:57 PM  
I've been a farker for ten years and have no problems with the moderation, nor do I have any infractions; I'm getting a kick out of this blog post and these replies.

 
Cordwainer Deathbird [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:22:02 PM  
Drew: Believe me, I agree. It's an absolute nightmare all around. Politics are now roughly one third of all link submissions. I can not wait until it's over.

I've noticed my own submissions trending like that (not to mention becoming really obnoxious in the bargain) and I've actively been trying to cut back and submit more varied headlines. I figure you guys could use the break. I know I can.

 
tiggerfan [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:22:03 PM  
LineNoise: Drew, quick question, will you be posting something along these lines in regards to how TF works?

In terms of TF, I fully expect the moderation to be handled much more hands off then Lite. And I've seen that too. I've watched liters get banned for things that TF'ers haven't. Of course a lot of TF threads simply become back and forths between a few people. The less people that actually see a thread means less people to worry about it's contents. And frankly, the party analogy for TF works just as well. Except it is a smaller party. And the door is locked. You still can have random people wander in on your discussion, but they all know what they bought into. There are still standards though.

 
FredaDeStilleto [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:22:05 PM  
notmtwain: There are some difficulties I have experienced when trying to submit a link.

Lately, I've tried to submit stories and had the link thrown back because it was already submitted and had not been reviewed - in 2002.

I swear, my links really have been timely.

 
cyber_slacker 2008-10-07 04:22:11 PM  
Dang, I was positive Fark was a pvp server

 
Barakku [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:22:13 PM  
Drew: 2. Stop greenlighting trolly headlines that completely misrepresent the story. The 'hero' tag abuse is particularly worrisome.

A lot of these instances fall into the political realm where some people, sometimes a minority, would argue it's warranted.


Can we not have these end up on the main page though? Or limit them in some way? I NEVER go to the damn politics tab, but I hate having trolls all over the main page, and ESPECIALLY the geek/business tabs. Trolling about Apple/MS in Geek I expect, or about businesses in business, but I don't need to see "OMG lol this candidate fails lawlz" all over every tab. I know some stories are important enough to be in main or relevant to geek/business, but couldn't we get at least a toned down headline?

I like my biatching about apple and my biatching about palin separate, please.

 
paygun 2008-10-07 04:22:14 PM  
I had no idea that people had any complaints about moderation here. I'm not sure what that implies.

 
queezyweezel [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:22:17 PM  
oldfarthenry: Remember those `Ask a mod/admin' sessions we used to have - where we would ask question after question and the thread would dumb-down to a insulting retarded level and Jeff would freak all over us?
I miss those.


Me too! It's like Fark is a loving but seriously dysfunctional family and those are our thanksgiving dinners.

 
idrow 2008-10-07 04:22:26 PM  
Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

 
aniktwo 2008-10-07 04:22:29 PM  
BoySchwen: I've been a farker for ten years and have no problems with the moderation, nor do I have any infractions; I'm getting a kick out of this blog post and these replies.



Whut?

 
Yeah_Right 2008-10-07 04:22:32 PM  
EsteeFlwrPot: Farkwell Smart: if i knew it was a house party i would have brought some mashed potatoes to put my dick in.

I lol'd

You never answered my hello, Drew. I thought we had something special. You told me you loved me...

*cries*


He does that wih everyone who hands him $5

 
bulldg4life 2008-10-07 04:22:35 PM  
If there's one thing that should be removed, it is ALTs.

They serve no purpose other than to intentionally deceive the community and/or to troll political threads.

There are no redeeming qualities and they add nothing to the discussion.

Overall, I understand why the site is modded how it is. I've been perma-banned so to speak from Fark for more than 6 months before. I can see why it was done at the time. And, after it was overturned, I even got an explanation and some kind words from the moderators and admins that were involved.

Drew along with several others have always been open for conversation and, although there is some inconsistency due to multiple individuals, the overall flow of the community is pretty darn good.

I miss the outting of a submitter, if only because it helped keep people in check through public humiliation. It kept people from being intentionally stupid with no repercussions. (This is also why I think alts are pointless, because it allows ridiculous comments when people know their "actual identity" is protected).

I have seen the people complain about heavy-handed moderating. And, sadly, there have been one or two people that have been caught up in it. However, for the most part, the people that claim innocence in moderation issues are not innocent. There's another story that goes along with it and there is usually repeated action that adds to the story.

Also, when passing along the story, people twist the story with their own re-telling and it suddenly gets painted as bias or unfair when compared to someone else then 3 months later...someone is blamed when it is really just the original user's fault.

In the end, the site is run better than I could do. And, I'll still be donating my $5 because I enjoy it for the most part.

 
absoluteparanoia 2008-10-07 04:22:41 PM  
gspazg: /like Fark only with boobies

And no image posts... and since most of the site doesn't see them they get--what 7 comments at their highest?

Back in the hayday a good boobies link would have generated hundreds of responses.

And it was pretty easy to avoid. They had a bouncing GIF logo f'christ sakes.

 
vernterv [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:22:45 PM  
GregoryD: I've been here a long time and I appreciate how fark admins run things. They are the fairest set of levelheaded people you will ever come across.

Why don't you just buy them something from their wishlists?

 
xanadian [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:22:50 PM  
Drew:

i249.photobucket.com

But seriously. I get into the shenanigans as much as any guy. Sometimes I go overboard. The FArQ is pretty clear about 90% of things, but oftentimes one forgets and does go overboard; or there's something in that 10% not explicitly covered that needs to be dealt with. It's why I don't envy what the modmins have to do.

Doctor Funkenstein: All kidding aside, your site, your rules, Drew. You guys do a good job of it.

Pretty much, this.

 
JoeCowboy 2008-10-07 04:22:54 PM  
TheKnownUniverse: I'd like to go on record as saying that an "out the submitter" button would suck. I'm probably alone in that thought, though.

So it's you, then

*squinty eyes*

JC

 
CatJumpJohn 2008-10-07 04:22:59 PM  
Drew: Boobies issues are coming up in the misconceptions section

I shall bring prepared remarks, and enough breasts to feed every baby girl in a Chinese rice field.

 
aniktwo 2008-10-07 04:23:04 PM  
queezyweezel: oldfarthenry: Remember those `Ask a mod/admin' sessions we used to have - where we would ask question after question and the thread would dumb-down to a insulting retarded level and Jeff would freak all over us?
I miss those.

Me too! It's like Fark is a loving but seriously dysfunctional family and those are our thanksgiving dinners.




I wasn't even around for Jeff threads and I miss them.

 
Wanebo [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:23:10 PM  
The best advice I can give you submitter is to masturbate furiously.

 
Tin Foil Milliner [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:23:14 PM  
Dancin_In_Anson: I really have a problem with a certain type of ban that gets handed out now and again.

Wut? Shadow Ban?

 
bored-parts-guy 2008-10-07 04:23:15 PM  
the political implications in every thread gets old. but it should subside after the election. NOTRE DAME !!
/see my point poli-trolls ?

 
VonKraut 2008-10-07 04:23:15 PM  
This site used to be about a squirrel with big balls. Look what hass happened to it now. I say we ban all politics.

 
Lutwidge [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:23:16 PM  
I'm guessing this has already been pointed out, but the constant deluge of obviously sponsored SBB sports headlines is sort of embarrassing, much like when ads in disreputable newspapers are designed to appear as actual articles. Can't you guys make money some other way?

 
melopene [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:23:18 PM  
at80eighty: melopene: Why is it that I often see you quoted from threads, but can never find your actual comment? It's irritating.

LOLOLOLOLOLLOLOL


Hush you. It's not from people quoting moderator comments in other threads - the comments are always in context of the thread itself. THIS MAKES NO SENSE.

Also, nice simulpost, MalloreeH.

 
FarkinHostile 2008-10-07 04:23:24 PM  
There's a series of drop-down boxes on our end to ensure that the sliding scale is consist. An infraction is committed, the mod looks in the individual's history to see if it has happened before, if so, then the next higher penalty level is assessed.


I WANT TO SEE MY FILE!

 
ToxicMunkee [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:23:25 PM  
I was accidentally banned once. I crapped my pants for about a day until it was all sorted out. I never want to be banned again. What a horrible feeling.

 
Weaver95 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:23:46 PM  
Ok, if you REALLY want to have this discussion then I'll chime in on my experiences.

For the most part, i've found the moderation system to be fairly good. It works pretty well for most of the major discussions that i've seen (kudos for whomever got stuck with watching the recent stock market threads btw - that had to suck).

However....on the rare occasions when it DOES go wrong, it goes horribly, terribly, wrong on an epic scale. I've seen instances of vindictive asshattery from anon moderators. I've seen grudges. I've seen nepotism, favoritism and every other sort of 'ism' you can imagine. Censorship, heavy handed and more benign, as well.

Like I said though, incidents such as that really have been rare. I can only remember 2 in the past year that i've seen (one of which lasted approx a week before it was resolved).

Mind you, i've often wondered what MY 'fark file' dossier looks like. I'm sure it's got biohazard signs all over it.

 
overlord_mike 2008-10-07 04:23:49 PM  
Drew:

2) How 'bout calling out the assholes (repeat offenders) before booting them? Wouldn't that curb asshatism? (and give the rest of us a chuckle too)

We're trying to avoid making extra work for ourselves


there in lies the problem, if someone is abnned and don't know why how do you expect them to stop their behavior?

 
PYROY 2008-10-07 04:23:56 PM  
Can't wait until chapter 2 when we discover that Maggie is pregnant, and Billy may or may not be the father.

 
FriarReb98 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:23:57 PM  
Okay, Drew, kind of a related question about things, it's come up lately in random TFD threads. Without getting too Tolstoy, I understand you have mods (& admins for that matter) working on the site, but it seems like at certain times that nothing happens for a while, things start snowballing out of control and then BOOM! Mod action. Are there dedicated mods on a schedule or some such thing, or is it more of a volunteer basis-i.e., if a mod's here, they catch it, if not, someone will eventually? Just curious, never actually seen an answer to this question....

 
HunterNIU 2008-10-07 04:23:57 PM  
I was completely serious.

/do it
//you know i would be awesome

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:24:03 PM  
As someone who is frequently *ahem* moderated, I totally get it. I've never been reprimanded for something I didn't do.

I've never been *ahem* moderated for the same thing twice, so I guess that makes me the kid that always finds a way around the rules.

That being said, I promise I'll be good from now on and I'll link all my dirty dirty stuff with a warning.

 
dimoko [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:24:09 PM  
i think i finally found the purpose of this image...and it is in this thread.

i65.photobucket.com

//not my work, just passing it along

 
Seacop 2008-10-07 04:24:12 PM  
EsteeFlwrPot: Farkwell Smart: if i knew it was a house party i would have brought some mashed potatoes to put my dick in.

I lol'd

You never answered my hello, Drew. I thought we had something special. You told me you loved me...

*cries*


Oj jesus christ.......

www.spurgin.net

 
R.A.Danny [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:24:21 PM  
I gotta say, the shadow ban.... we can do without that.

I am a Fark fan though, despite my heavy use of RIP.

 
queezyweezel [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:24:36 PM  
robsul82: I'm operating on the idea that naming names is frowned upon by Drew and the mods. But like I said, the Politics regulars know who they are, and the rules don't ever seem to be enforced against them. I don't give a shiat about how cute their cartoons are, or how divorced from reality they can be. I give a shiat that perfectly good threads, with intelligent adults of all political leanings, get derailed day after day because those rotten apples just go along without consequence.

It's a tough tightrope to walk though. If you start banning people, then fark appears to be censoring political discussions (like hillaryis44.org). I hate those assholes too, but it's our own damn fault for acknowledging them. If we ignored the trolls, they'd move on.

 
davesplanet 2008-10-07 04:24:39 PM  
nicoffeine: I do a lot of thinking when I'm driving around, mainly because when I'm not on the net I don't have to react to randomly-occurring issues needing my attention.

Oh, you mean, like ONCOMING TRAFFIC?


Are you kidding? Drew typed that on his Blackberry WHILE driving!

 
Dirtball [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:24:44 PM  
melopene: Hush you. It's not from people quoting moderator comments in other threads - the comments are always in context of the thread itself. THIS MAKES NO SENSE

This is the one of the very few times I will laugh along with at80 on this site, oh man.

 
at80eighty 2008-10-07 04:24:50 PM  
also Drew , whats your favourite song & emoticon? and while im at it , whats your opinion about British spelling & extra 'u's?

 
bobbette 2008-10-07 04:24:57 PM  
I haven't noticed a huge difference between Fark moderation five years ago and now, other than not having been banned in several years. Maybe half of this is because moderation seems somewhat invisible? Once a comment or a thread is gone it disappears, unless you already had a window open on TFD and the thread is canned, at which point you get your usual humourous "Fark is not your personal erotica site" or "Shenanigans" type message.

My point of view on Fark Moderation.
- there should be a little less moderation of TFD; I think there are too many insane, and entertaining, threads being deleted. If they're too much for regular TFD, maybe there should be a spinoff tab of TFD where people are allowed to be stupider and more outrageous than regular TFD, and the understanding is that anything (short of rampantly NSFW content, maybe?) goes. TFD: Miami, if you will. Where people wear multiple pairs of sunglasses and get into gun battles with sharks.

- Fark moderation is working fairly well overall. There's a good balance on Fark between not censoring everything to maintain an impossibly high standard of reasoned discourse (thank GOD) and not allowing the worst of Youtube-commenter idiocy. The balance is overall, pretty good, and I think to an extent it self-polices because posters don't hesitate to call other posters on BS. Then again, I could be missing some things because I have a half-dozen of the usual suspects on ignore.

- I think some moderation issues are related to the current election and will be greatly diminished soon. However, the Politics tab commie vs. fascist approval system is obviously stoking flamewars even more than you'd expect during an election season. I'm sure these are profitable in terms of pageviews and the hundreds of comments they get, but I suspect people are going to click and comment on any politics story anyhow (it's that kind of year) and trolls might be less encouraged to post if they didn't see obvious trolling in greenlit headlines. I like the attempt at balance, but some of the Politics headlines read like Youtube comments.

 
Solid State Vittles [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:25:02 PM  
littlett's: Solid State Vittles: Somehow I think this all might be my fault. I'm very sorry.

:(

Naw, Fife ruind TF. So I'm sure he ruined this too.


But was it me that pushed him into behaving in this manner? I think the answer is almost certainly yes since the world revolves around me.

 
pwhp_67 2008-10-07 04:25:04 PM  
overlord_mike: there in lies the problem, if someone is abnned and don't know why how do you expect them to stop their behavior?


I thought if you got banned or a time out the reason why showed up when you tried to post?

 
Kona_Bean 2008-10-07 04:25:12 PM  
I've stopped commenting at all, for the most part, as close to 100% of my posts end up being deleted at some point.

Sometimes they're useless, sometimes they're comical, sometimes they're genuinely imploring. Most times, they're all gone.

TFA does not make the 'why' of that any clearer. Not that I'm upset of course. Fark is still one of the best damn communities out here.

 
JuanSchwartz 2008-10-07 04:25:13 PM  
Hey Drew,

My cousin Sara was telling me a story about you taking her to a strip club and getting booted because she was underage. You should open your own underage strip club.

 
tallguywithglasseson [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:25:21 PM  
Solid State Vittles: Can someone give me the Cliff's Notes version of this thread? I'm scared and need a hug.

Here you go:
If you don't want to be banned, just stop being such an asshole all the time.
At least that's my best interpretation.

 
RubyRed [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:25:21 PM  
TheDumbBlonde: Well I have NEVER gotten a time out. So there.

Neither have I. Hmm...

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:25:28 PM  
Yeah_Right: Drew - "Anyone can accidentally threadjack, for example. People go online drunk and do stupid stuff. It happens. If it's a one-off thing, the moderators generally don't worry about it. If it's a frequent thing, such as multiple infractions in the space of days, steps are taken to remove that person from the community."

Discussions drift... like as in real life. Expecting people to stay completely on one topic - is a bit naive.

/ lighten up, Francis


See my previous response in this thread

 
RanDomino 2008-10-07 04:25:34 PM  
Frank N Stein
6/10

Gentle-sir or -madam I awards you one (1) internets
you have successfully humorous'd for great justice.

 
lordargent 2008-10-07 04:25:35 PM  
sparky1013: the moderation is at best spotty, one day you can call someone fat and no big deal, the next day you make the same comment and you get banned...

That, one of the few times I've had any issue with moderation was several years ago when I jokingly posted the old cliched phrase "if there's grass on the field, play" in a thread and got a tempban (24 hours IIRC) for it (with a comment stating something like 'fark does not condone pedophillia' or something like that).

I sent in a complaint about the ban (and the comment), but by the time I got a response, the ban had expired.

/fastforward to today, when Chris Hansen shows up in several threads each day.

/another tempban was from posting a spam e-mail message in a thread that was talking about spam e-mail messages, go figure :P

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:25:38 PM  
Drew: 2) How 'bout calling out the assholes (repeat offenders) before booting them? Wouldn't that curb asshatism? (and give the rest of us a chuckle too)

We're trying to avoid making extra work for ourselves


Too bad, because sometimes, a calling out is in order. Like maybe once every few months.

 
Sid Vicious' Corpse 2008-10-07 04:25:47 PM  
DREW:

If we going to get all "good citizeny" around here, how about setting up a Fark Image site so we're not all hotlinking and stealing bandwidth....

/hates the "hotlinked' thing almost as much as slashies.
//uh.....

 
Barakku [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:25:50 PM  
jimpapa: And now Fark is trying to become like all other forums with the "first page, next , last page" crap. C'mon:(

Oh please for the love of fark no...I read this on a tablet PC, I love the ability to just scroll to see all comments...

 
tiggerfan [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:25:50 PM  
pwhp_67: tiggerfan: 1. Don't do anything here you wouldn't do in front of your parents or your priest.


Can't you find a Mormon discussion board or something?

That's the most anti-FARK statement I think I have ever heard...


It was the ADD version. If your not going to read all the rules and abide by them, just go to the extreme safe side of things.

 
CoolBeans [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:25:50 PM  
Weaver95: However....on the rare occasions when it DOES go wrong, it goes horribly, terribly, wrong on an epic scale.

...sort of like that 12 year old who created a TF account a few weeks ago.

 
Bob Ondeeznuts 2008-10-07 04:25:52 PM  
lima beans: bobobobobobobobob!
HI!!!!


www.gatorboosters.org

OMFG LIMA BEANS IN IS THIS THREAD!!!

/Hello, hope all is well

 
Solid State Vittles [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:26:03 PM  
thepensivepoet: God knows I try sometimes.

This is very true just on attention whoring your band alone. I think it's funny.

 
WaltzingMathilda [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:26:05 PM  
Drew: Believe me, I agree. It's an absolute nightmare all around. Politics are now roughly one third of all link submissions. I can not wait until it's over.

The core problem with politics is it's about winning, as opposed to being right.


It's no different than the real world during the election. Typical conversation is 1/3 politics, headlines in newspapers are 1/3 politics, etc. It's a cycle and it wears down and you have to weather it in real life every 4 years, so weather it here, you know?

Anyway, I had a short time-out because I twice responded to posts in PS threads without either (i) shopping something myself, or (ii) commenting on a specific shop. I had no idea there was a PS Forum at the time so I had no idea it was against the rules, but it was all resolved quickly, etc., and whoever I dealt with on Farkback was really cool about it. I guess I share this story because even if you read the entire FarQ, you're not going to remember every rule. PS Threads could avoid some timeouts just by making clear that they are threads that are not really meant for discussion, period. It's easy to get used to firing off responses to anything you're looking at without reading the FAQ before every post.

 
Clorox Man 2008-10-07 04:26:06 PM  
I haven't noticed any issue. I always thought that this place was running just fine. Even the trolls here induce conversation and cause people to do extra research to be able to troll back. Hell, half the political stuff I have picked up is because of Politics forum trolls.

In short, I'm a happy camper. I love coming to this house party. It is a great mix of all types of people. I wouldn't change a thing.

 
HunterNIU 2008-10-07 04:26:11 PM  
www.newgrounds.com

 
Tat'dGreaser [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:26:17 PM  
Well my biggest beef is when obvious trolling headlines that are made to piss off or intimidate one group of people are greenlighted. Mods have done a pretty good job at keeping that to a minimum or redlighting them, so thats good. Oh yea, if I get a timeout I probably deserved it. Sorry for giving you mods shiat.

I'm still wondering when I'll get the hammer for taking on Wil though.....

 
Flying Undead Sheep 2008-10-07 04:26:19 PM  
Hey Drew! HEY DREW!
*waves frantically*
ACKNOWLEDGE ME!

 
barjockey 2008-10-07 04:26:21 PM  
Drew

I have to know - I really do. Is there a certain "weight" put on certain Farkers' "greenlight-ability" that happen to be in good graces with Fark when they submit an article to be greenlighted? Is it really the completely random act of chance that it's made out to be? Or are some Farkers permanently banned to the greenlight shiatlist? C'mon - give me the dirty truth. I can handle it.

www.anthem-creative.com

 
miltonbabbitt 2008-10-07 04:26:25 PM  
The only issue I've had that I've never brought up, is the fact that there are some websites whose URL is always the same even when the content changes.

I can't remember which site I recently had an issue with when trying to submit a link, but I think it was either a NOAA or USGS page. When I tried to submit the link, I got the "this link was already submitted" message even though the last submission was several years ago and the info on the page was completely different.

Not a complaint, just something I've meant to point out. I love this place!

 
This 2008-10-07 04:26:33 PM  
bulldg4life: If there's one thing that should be removed, it is ALTs.

Never underestimate the importance of comparative anonymity when venting about one's spouse. Alts serve other purposes than trolling.

 
Barnacles! [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:26:39 PM  
Weaver95: I've seen nepotism, favoritism and every other sort of 'ism' you can imagine.

PRIAPISM too?

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:26:41 PM  
Office Ninja: FTA - "We censor, but there is no political motivation behind it."

B....S....!
I've returned to find may posts mysteriously deleted that were nothing more than discussions of facts that were obviously not leaning towards the general political sentiment of many other postings.

I don't blame you specifically, Drew, but you absolutely do have some mods out there who abuse their power for their own political beliefs.


If so they're risking their moderator status, because if they get caught they're gone. They're well aware of this.

 
overlord_mike 2008-10-07 04:26:43 PM  
overlord_mike: Drew:

2) How 'bout calling out the assholes (repeat offenders) before booting them? Wouldn't that curb asshatism? (and give the rest of us a chuckle too)

We're trying to avoid making extra work for ourselves

there in lies the problem, if someone is abnned and don't know why how do you expect them to stop their behavior?


wow, that was poorly written

drew=
there in lies the problem, if someone is banned and they are not told why they were banned, how do you expect them to stop their behavior?

 
The Crepes of Wrath 2008-10-07 04:26:48 PM  
Dancin_In_Anson: And that's all I've got to say about that.

You're jumping at shadows again.

 
larrycot [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:26:50 PM  
Drew,

Thanks for the explanation. The site is great.

Folks, If you can't read a couple hundred words without losing focus, you have issues.

 
dhambrick [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:26:52 PM  
thepensivepoet: Let it be known that if *I* can manage to exist here without being permanently banned you would have to be seriously committed to being an asshat to get the permaboot.

God knows I try sometimes.


Pretty much this.

CoolBeans: Weaver95: However....on the rare occasions when it DOES go wrong, it goes horribly, terribly, wrong on an epic scale.

...sort of like that 12 year old who created a TF account a few weeks ago.


And this

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:26:54 PM  
at80eighty: also Drew , whats your favourite song & emoticon? and while im at it , whats your opinion about British spelling & extra 'u's?

You forgot to ask whether he was for McCain or Obama.

 
Shiat talking Mushrooms 2008-10-07 04:26:58 PM  
drew, i apologize for my previous comment. the problem is that i feel powerless about this troll infestation. i know the type: bored at work, little power both there and at home, generally unattractive, possibly overweight. these guys are easy to spot, but tough to deal with. that's why i'm asking you to deputize me as a moderator, and i will solve the problem for you. this WAR ON TROLLING won't be won quickly. i won't be won nicely. it'll be won by people you never see, using methods that you don't ever want to hear about.

let me set up my anti-troll unit, drew, and let me get to work.

 
R.A.Danny [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:26:58 PM  
Does Duke still suck or did we get over it?

 
Dancin_In_Anson [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:27:00 PM  
bulldg4life: I miss the outting of a submitter, if only because it helped keep people in check through public humiliation.

There have been some funny ones, no?

Tin Foil Milliner: Wut?

It seems to have been mentioned already but not addressed.

 
sparky1013 2008-10-07 04:27:04 PM  
CoolBeans: ...sort of like that 12 year old who created a TF account a few weeks ago.

*cough* streetlight *cough*

 
Shadow Blasko [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:27:12 PM  
bulldg4life: If there's one thing that should be removed, it is ALTs.

Yeah.

Problem is, its about freaking impossible.

Even with the best tech, you get situations where you end up handling it mostly on an IP level.

Then when you suddenly whack one guy posting from Afghanistan with proximatron, you just banned every person in the service who was also using it to get to Fark.

Its a nightmare that many people who have been admins of message boards have faced.

I agree that it needs to be done, but it is still either a shotgun, where you end up punishing many who are doing nothing wrong, or a very labor intensive sniper rifle. (Which is what I used to have to man on Empornium)

 
aniktwo 2008-10-07 04:27:13 PM  
Barakku: jimpapa: And now Fark is trying to become like all other forums with the "first page, next , last page" crap. C'mon:(

Oh please for the love of fark no...I read this on a tablet PC, I love the ability to just scroll to see all comments...


You can still have that option. It just lets us choose in case you get one of thsoe threads that goes into the 1000s.

 
TheDumbBlonde [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:27:16 PM  
RubyRed: TheDumbBlonde: Well I have NEVER gotten a time out. So there.

Neither have I. Hmm...


Who did you blow?

 
Solid State Vittles [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:27:27 PM  
tallguywithglasseson: Solid State Vittles: Can someone give me the Cliff's Notes version of this thread? I'm scared and need a hug.

Here you go:If you don't want to be banned, just stop being such an asshole all the time.At least that's my best interpretation.


That's going to be bad news for a lot of people.

 
queezyweezel [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:27:50 PM  
VonKraut: This site used to be about a squirrel with big balls. Look what hass happened to it now. I say we ban all politics.

If only they could take all the Politics threads, and put them in their own tab so people could ignore them if they wanted to.....Oh Wait....

 
Dread Pirate Slasher [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:27:50 PM  
WTF is a shadow ban?

 
GregoryD 2008-10-07 04:27:51 PM  
vernterv: Why don't you just buy them something from their wishlists?

The mods aren't as attractive as GM.

 
Barnacles! [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:28:03 PM  
Another call for removing all ALT accounts. Each user should only be able to have ONE userid.

 
robsul82 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:28:06 PM  
queezyweezel: robsul82: I'm operating on the idea that naming names is frowned upon by Drew and the mods. But like I said, the Politics regulars know who they are, and the rules don't ever seem to be enforced against them. I don't give a shiat about how cute their cartoons are, or how divorced from reality they can be. I give a shiat that perfectly good threads, with intelligent adults of all political leanings, get derailed day after day because those rotten apples just go along without consequence.

It's a tough tightrope to walk though. If you start banning people, then fark appears to be censoring political discussions (like hillaryis44.org). I hate those assholes too, but it's our own damn fault for acknowledging them. If we ignored the trolls, they'd move on.


The mods have by and large ignored the trolls, and where has that put us? You've got to drop the hammer on these jokes and tell them that THAT particular house party is over.

 
Barakku [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:28:12 PM  
Triple similpost :)

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:28:14 PM  
OH GIVE IT UP FOLKS, EVERY ONE OF YOU KNOW WHY YOU WERE BANNED OR TIMED OUT.

 
emocomputerjock 2008-10-07 04:28:14 PM  
frenchcheesemuseum: Drew: 2) How 'bout calling out the assholes (repeat offenders) before booting them? Wouldn't that curb asshatism? (and give the rest of us a chuckle too)

We're trying to avoid making extra work for ourselves

Too bad, because sometimes, a calling out is in order. Like maybe once every few months.


Calling out folks will only end with open mods v. us mentality.

 
10.0.0.1 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:28:20 PM  
lima beans: I am the first bean

No doubt. NO MORE BEANS PEOPLE.

 
NewportBarGuy [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:28:22 PM  
Can I haz immunity idol?

 
hipcheckgrl [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:28:28 PM  
Drew: Could you please make an ADD version of this?

ADD people can skip this (and probably will). It's more for the OCDers


Can I get a combo rate, please?

 
littlett's [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:28:34 PM  
Solid State Vittles: But was it me that pushed him into behaving in this manner? I think the answer is almost certainly yes since the world revolves around me.

Well since he created me, did you cause me to behave this way too?

So you are where I go the AW genes from.

Just to veer back to being on topic. I would also vote for an "Out the submitter" feature.

 
FarkinHostile 2008-10-07 04:28:39 PM  
thepensivepoet

Ha ha! Drew mentioned me!

litersayswhat?

OOHHHHHHHHHHHHHH


thepensivepoet
Fark account number: 294515
Account created: 2006-07-14 11:49:53


Excuse me, Newbie? 2006? And you are bragging about paying for this? I'd bet I've had more sponsored, free TF that you have paid for.

This is my third account, BTW. Been here since 2001.

 
Nothing To See Here 2008-10-07 04:28:39 PM  
Does this have to do with fb ?

 
Barnacles! [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:28:39 PM  
Dread Pirate Slasher: WTF is a shadow ban?

It's like Shadow Dancin', but with less Andy Gibb.

 
This Is Bold Text [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:28:42 PM  
In a nutshell: Don't be a douche.

 
Flying Undead Sheep 2008-10-07 04:28:44 PM  
Also, can we see a listing of the Recently Banned, with a short, yet entertaining story of why they were kicked out? Only those users who have been active for the last...I dunno...3 months or so can get a story.

 
Weaver95 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:28:49 PM  
RubyRed: TheDumbBlonde: Well I have NEVER gotten a time out. So there.

Neither have I. Hmm...


Oh, I've gotten a few. Most of which I earned fair and square. The one i'm MOST proud of was the time I went through every post in the 'greenlit links' forum and put 'f*rst post' in each and every thread. Granted, it got me a 3 day ban but I couldn't stop giggling for days afterwards. Um, don't do that btw.

it's the simple things in life that amuse me the most.

 
smooshie 2008-10-07 04:28:52 PM  
bobbette: - there should be a little less moderation of TFD; I think there are too many insane, and entertaining, threads being deleted. If they're too much for regular TFD, maybe there should be a spinoff tab of TFD where people are allowed to be stupider and more outrageous than regular TFD, and the understanding is that anything (short of rampantly NSFW content, maybe?) goes. TFD: Miami, if you will. Where people wear multiple pairs of sunglasses and get into gun battles with sharks.

THIS!

 
starzman2003 2008-10-07 04:28:54 PM  
Drew, you have a good site which is a staple in today's crazy life.

Mods aren't really an issue, until they make pictures in thread not possible. That's my #1 beef. Pictures in fark threads MAKE the thread.

/light moderation man....

 
AntiNorm [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:29:01 PM  
My theory as a Fark user on the moderation system is that it's just a web site. Like I was discussing with one of the modmins a month or so ago at the Indianapolis Fark party, if you as a user get all worked up over a ban, that's a pretty good sign that you need to turn the computer off and go outside. I've been banned exactly one time (for posting something inline I didn't know was considered NSFW)...but rather than waste time and energy griping about it, that ban made me actually leave the house that evening and do something else. What a thought.

 
Bob Ondeeznuts 2008-10-07 04:29:01 PM  
larrycot: Drew,

Thanks for the explanation. The site is great.

Folks, If you can't read a couple hundred words without losing focus, you have issues.


I lost you after "folks".

 
Genevieve Marie [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:29:06 PM  
I think the goals are understandable and admirable but agree with those who say moderation is really inconsistent, and occasionally bans are given out for really stupid reasons.

Feel free to ask me what I said once that was considered "trolling."

 
hockeyfarker 2008-10-07 04:29:07 PM  
yeah, it seems like sometimes there's a weird moderator working on a certain day or something. I guess that's not really an issue in the grand scheme of things.

I for one am against an outting the submitter button. I like snarking some anonymous douchebag. Whenever I start snarking some specific douchebag I feel like I'm poking a retard with a stick. It's fun, but kinda beneath me.

 
naturalselection 2008-10-07 04:29:08 PM  
CitizenTed: I confess I visit Fark during work hours, so I am 100% behind the current SFW requirements.

This.

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:29:14 PM  
Shiat talking Mushrooms: i apologize for my previous comment. the problem is that i feel powerless about this troll infestation. i know the type: bored at work, little power both there and at home, generally unattractive, possibly overweight. these guys are easy to spot, but tough to deal with. that's why i'm asking you to deputize me as a moderator, and i will solve the problem for you. this WAR ON TROLLING won't be won quickly. i won't be won nicely. it'll be won by people you never see, using methods that you don't ever want to hear about.

Stop trying to hang me StM.

 
Frank N Stein [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:29:17 PM  
Drew:

For submitting a political news article, you guys recently added that "Commie, Neutral, Fascist" selection. Was that just for shiats and giggles, or do you guys actually look at that when decided whether or not to green light something?

 
TheKnownUniverse 2008-10-07 04:29:17 PM  
hahaha FCM is on the rag today

 
AliasUndercover 2008-10-07 04:29:18 PM  
Filthy Hippies.

 
whereisian 2008-10-07 04:29:30 PM  
Drew: A lot of these instances fall into the political realm where some people, sometimes a minority, would argue it's warranted.

See, this is where I think more editorial control needs to come in. There are plenty of legit stories that the vocal minorities should have greenlit. Take Obama's fundraising controversies. I don't see much wrong with them, but I completely understand other people wanting to make a deal of it - it's based in fact.

Fark has always been about the MSM. Serving extremist blogs on both the left and right that circulate rumour and innuendo as fact does not serve the community. I always appreciated that fark brings together people of opposite bents, but it's getting out of control. Catering to the 5% on each side, day after day, cheapens discussions and does not result in good lulz.

Thanks for responding Oh Benevolent Dictator.

 
aniktwo 2008-10-07 04:29:31 PM  
littlett's:

Just to veer back to being on topic. I would also vote for an "Out the submitter" feature.


Noooo! It would get used for every single thread, which sort of ruins the point. Either make it so the submitter is visible, or not. Voting out the submitter just seems to be against the "spirit" of TF.

 
el_dudarino [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:29:37 PM  
Drew,

I can see why singling out trouble makers is necessary in moderation of the site. However, a problem that I have run into is this: At times, some do not realize they are on notice. I know you addressed this, said that they were notified and then wiped it from their memory. Sometimes, however, it is not entirely clear what is happening.

Perhaps a notification that we are being watched more closely, a system message, or tag only that user can see, would be helpful.

Like:

el_dudarino img.fark.netWe're Watching You

 
MalloreeH 2008-10-07 04:29:38 PM  
gahh... there are liters everywhere. I'm going back to TFD where I'm safe...

 
TheDumbBlonde [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:29:42 PM  
barjockey: Drew

I have to know - I really do. Is there a certain "weight" put on certain Farkers' "greenlight-ability" that happen to be in good graces with Fark when they submit an article to be greenlighted? Is it really the completely random act of chance that it's made out to be? Or are some Farkers permanently banned to the greenlight shiatlist? C'mon - give me the dirty truth. I can handle it.


barjockey!, you cock! Where the hell have YOU been??

 
xanadian [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:29:45 PM  
Drew: 2) How 'bout calling out the assholes (repeat offenders) before booting them? Wouldn't that curb asshatism? (and give the rest of us a chuckle too)

We're trying to avoid making extra work for ourselves


I fear that may also help give CERTAIN troublemakers the attention they so desire and are trying to get.

 
andyofne [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:29:46 PM  
bulldg4life: If there's one thing that should be removed, it is ALTs.

Good idea. Everyone should be identified by their first and last names.

 
oldfarthenry [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:29:49 PM  
i149.photobucket.com
Nnyesss - is tolerance allowed to those of us with `split personality' disorder and it's compulsion to post of photoclip of the `persona de la minute', as it were?

 
basemetal [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:29:55 PM  
This is about me posting cleavage pics in the political threads posted in TFD isn't it Drew?

 
daas_boot [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:29:59 PM  
*pokes head in.

 
Bob Ondeeznuts 2008-10-07 04:30:10 PM  
frenchcheesemuseum: EVERY ONE OF YOU KNOW WHY YOU WERE BANNED OR TIMED OUT.

1. Rick Rolling/threadjack
2. Rick Rolling/threadjack
3. Rick Rolling/threadjack
4. Nudity-Partial Nudity-NSFW picture
5. Now, for talking about it.....

 
Howie Spankowitz [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:30:10 PM  
In all seriousness, I've been banned a few times. I deserved a couple of them and it was worth it to get a couple of purely ad hominem attacks in on my foe.

But, there were a couple of instances where it was just bewildering. Here's the good part, though. Each of those times, I went to farkback and Drew was very responsive, even one time letting me know that the moderator was clearly in the wrong and he apologized.

I appreciated that. The upshot is that my experience has been that whatever system is in place is working pretty well. Good job, Drew.

 
Barnacles! [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:30:13 PM  
Flying Undead Sheep: Also, can we see a listing of the Recently Banned, with a short, yet entertaining story of why they were kicked out? Only those users who have been active for the last...I dunno...3 months or so can get a story.

This actually is a good idea. It will help users know what NOT to do, and help us learn where the "line" is (and to not cross that line).

 
Dirtball [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:30:14 PM  
smooshie: bobbette: - there should be a little less moderation of TFD; I think there are too many insane, and entertaining, threads being deleted. If they're too much for regular TFD, maybe there should be a spinoff tab of TFD where people are allowed to be stupider and more outrageous than regular TFD, and the understanding is that anything (short of rampantly NSFW content, maybe?) goes. TFD: Miami, if you will. Where people wear multiple pairs of sunglasses and get into gun battles with sharks.

Yeah, but then this site becomes 4chan

 
One F Jef 2008-10-07 04:30:16 PM  
Who cares about moderating.


Let's talk about headline submitting, admins, and the greenlight/redlight system.

Admin Rules:


Greenlight articles which contain the following:

Lies about democrats.

Lies about liberalism.

Slander against democrats.

The following criteria must be present in the headline:

Bad spelling.

Lies about the content of the article.

Editorial suggestions about how bad democrats, liberals, and anyone who isn't a conservative republican.

Horrible grammar.

More lies.

Misrepresentation of facts (AKA Lies)

The following are what admins will not allow in a headline:

The truth.

The truth, particularly if it is negative towards republicans/conservatives.

Anything negative about republicans or conservatives.

Any headline which does not in some way denegrate Barack Obama.

Any headline which does not make fun of Ron Paul.

Any headline which does not contain lies.

The following websites are garaunteed a greenlight on fark:


Michelle Malkins blog.

John McCain campaign website.

Bill O'Reilly editorials.

The New Republic.

Little Green Footballs.

The Conservative Voice.

Focus on the Family blog.

Any website which caters to conservatives and discusses how liberalism and democrats are destroying America.

The following is how Fark pretends to be balanced or moderate:


Articles written on the Daily KOS which are poorly written or make democrats and liberals look like idiots shall be greenlit.

Articles written about Obama which make democrats look like drooling kool-aid drinkers shall be greenlit.

Articles which contain information which is already known due to the story being picked up by major news outlets and cannot be ignored or supressed, even if it contains negative information about Republicans, shall be reluctantly greenlit after trying very hard to suppress it.

Any article written from a democratic perspective that makes democrats look dumb shall be greenlit and Conservative farkers may then point to that article and discuss how incredibly balanced fark is.

Again, who cares about moderating, let's talk about how blatantly conservative fark is in the aggregating process.

 
Dread Pirate Slasher [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:30:27 PM  
Barnacles!: Dread Pirate Slasher: WTF is a shadow ban?

It's like Shadow Dancin', but with less Andy Gibb.


Thanks, Prof, you are a beacon of knowledge.

 
Flying Undead Sheep 2008-10-07 04:30:28 PM  
littlett's: Solid State Vittles: But was it me that pushed him into behaving in this manner? I think the answer is almost certainly yes since the world revolves around me.

Well since he created me, did you cause me to behave this way too?

So you are where I go the AW genes from.

Just to veer back to being on topic. I would also vote for an "Out the submitter" feature.


+1 for "Summon Submitter" button

 
GregoryD 2008-10-07 04:30:32 PM  
bobbette: - there should be a little less moderation of TFD; I think there are too many insane, and entertaining, threads being deleted. If they're too much for regular TFD, maybe there should be a spinoff tab of TFD where people are allowed to be stupider and more outrageous than regular TFD, and the understanding is that anything (short of rampantly NSFW content, maybe?) goes. TFD: Miami, if you will. Where people wear multiple pairs of sunglasses and get into gun battles with sharks.

I totally agree with you. But the problem is that this would turn into a 4chan overnight and that is clearly what the fark admins would want to avoid. (I don't blame em one bit)

 
tallguywithglasseson [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:30:33 PM  
Solid State Vittles: That's going to be bad news for a lot of people.

LOL

I guess I need to work on my Cliff's Notes, because you really can act like an asshole if you want, just not... that kind of asshole.

 
thepersonalgoddess [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:30:36 PM  
Can I be a moderator yet?

 
MissFeasance [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:30:37 PM  
miltonbabbitt: The only issue I've had that I've never brought up, is the fact that there are some websites whose URL is always the same even when the content changes.

I can't remember which site I recently had an issue with when trying to submit a link, but I think it was either a NOAA or USGS page. When I tried to submit the link, I got the "this link was already submitted" message even though the last submission was several years ago and the info on the page was completely different.


You can get around that. Just put a question mark after the URL and type in something meaningless. The rest of the URL gets thrown away. Example:

"www.fark.com?omgwtfbbqmoderationthread" would take you straight to the main page without tripping the duplicate sensor.

 
Pxtl 2008-10-07 04:30:39 PM  
Drew:
if it was limitted to the flow of normal conversation, your suggestion would work. The rules are built around the issue of dealing with people who intentionally attempt to derail the normal flow of conversation.


I presume you're referring to the Friday-night sex-chat threads that reached some pretty epic scales (and, iirc, often involved some pictures and comments that brought down many a banhammer)?

'cause those were awesome.

 
lima beans [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:30:40 PM  
Oh I can't wait to hear!
*gets comfy*

 
vernterv [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:30:41 PM  
I guess this would be a bad time to post with one of my alts.

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:30:42 PM  
emocomputerjock: Calling out folks will only end with open mods v. us mentality.

Really, you wouldn't want to know who submitted the beastiality thread from today?

Liar.

 
Barakku [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:30:46 PM  
Shiat talking Mushrooms: drew, i apologize for my previous comment. the problem is that i feel powerless about this troll infestation. i know the type: bored at work, little power both there and at home, generally unattractive, possibly overweight. these guys are easy to spot, but tough to deal with. that's why i'm asking you to deputize me as a moderator, and i will solve the problem for you. this WAR ON TROLLING won't be won quickly. i won't be won nicely. it'll be won by people you never see, using methods that you don't ever want to hear about.

let me set up my anti-troll unit, drew, and let me get to work.


Did you just troll about trolling?

aniktwo: Barakku: jimpapa: And now Fark is trying to become like all other forums with the "first page, next , last page" crap. C'mon:(

Oh please for the love of fark no...I read this on a tablet PC, I love the ability to just scroll to see all comments...

You can still have that option. It just lets us choose in case you get one of thsoe threads that goes into the 1000s.


Oh, sounds good for me for an option-when on "power saver" my tablet doesn't like caturday/image heavy posts.

 
ElleDriver 2008-10-07 04:30:52 PM  
I agree with the folks that want ALTs banned, they are trolls most of the time.

 
Weaver95 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:30:56 PM  
Barnacles!: Another call for removing all ALT accounts. Each user should only be able to have ONE userid.

I agree with this. If nothing else, that would make moderating the Politics tab discussions MUCH easier for whomever gets stuck with that craptastic job.

 
Spanky_McFarksalot [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:30:59 PM  
Being more even handed politically would help in getting more farkers with different views involved in the discussion. The discussion threads aren't balanced because the greenlights have been so overwhelming one sided lately.

 
daas_boot [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:31:00 PM  
daas_boot: *pokes head in.

that right there is the kind of comment that always gets me in trouble.

 
adamgreeney 2008-10-07 04:31:00 PM  
Drew: whereisian: My only comments.

1. Crack down on alts. Without naming names, there are a few really funny trolls which add colour and stimulate discussion. But more often than not, they simply disrupt. The ignore list is not sufficient.

FWIW creating an alt draws moderator attention, in a bad way. We pretty much assume trolling is what they're for


I'm calling BS on this. There are people that are out there that openly admit to trolling or do it to such a degree that threads become dedicated to that one troll and nothing is done about, yet perfectly level comments or rebuttals are deleted. You are either going to crack down on trolls or let them run rampant, and right now we are stock to the brim of free range trolls. Is it ok to troll if we admit we're alts? What's the acceptable amount of vitriol we can spew before banning?

 
Shabash [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:31:02 PM  
bookmarked, cuz i can't figure out how to make it a favorite

 
serpent_sky [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:31:03 PM  
towatchoverme: Drew:

That's a lot of text, Tolstoy. In future, please make your points using pictures of cats with funny captions, or with animated gifs.

Also, i would like to find a way to eliminate alts.

Not all alts ... Carol Alt would be welcome anytime. But alts built for the sole purpose of trolling confuse and anger me.


I don't get the whole alt thing, anyway. Just be yourself. If you can't even stand behind your chosen Internet name, well... that's sad.

And "trolling" is too ambiguous. I mean, I've seen many people [myself included] accused of "trolling," when in fact, it was just a heated discussion with wildly diverse opinions -- some way outside of the norm.

People have to learn the difference between an alt spewing INTENTIONAL trolls and someone who just isn't playing the popular opinion game/has a strong view. Most of the people in the latter category are fairly known for their views on certain subjects [summoned to threads, etc] but aren't trolls... they just like debating things and it tends to get crazy.

That's how I see it, anyway.

 
I_C_Weener [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:31:04 PM  
img83.imageshack.us

"You see Sherman, it only takes a few bad apples to ruin the whole bunch."

"Gee Mr. Drew, you sure know your stuff."

Drew, I suggest that if enough people get out of control, we set-up a thread for the sole purpose of letting off steam. A no holds barred verbal joust to the end. Maybe some kind of Insult-a-Thon.

 
testosteronephobe 2008-10-07 04:31:05 PM  
Like I'm going to read all that, submitter. Come back when you can condense it all a little, k?

Oh.

Uh oh.

Never mind.

 
YouWinAgainGravity 2008-10-07 04:31:07 PM  
I'm all for more moderation of the AWs in tfd.

 
azmoviez [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:31:08 PM  
Speaking of opposition to voting down comments, what exactly is the point of the "Link votes" at the top of each thread?

There was an excellent headline a few weeks back that garnered 200+ votes but was not chosen. There was no reason given. I understand that this isn't Digg, but what's the point of "Link voting" if the results are meaningless?

 
15secondman 2008-10-07 04:31:12 PM  
This thread is growing remarkably quick. Also

Drew: Our goal: identify troublemakers and remove them from the party after we've had our fun with them.

FTFY

 
towatchoverme 2008-10-07 04:31:13 PM  
Here's a category to consider fodder for bannination:

Impersonating a member of the armed forces.

That should earn you a lifetime ban right there.

I say this as a proud member of the Women's Auxillary Balloon Corps.

\No, srsly ... it should

 
dimoko [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:31:20 PM  
Genevieve Marie: I think the goals are understandable and admirable but agree with those who say moderation is really inconsistent, and occasionally bans are given out for really stupid reasons.

Feel free to ask me what I said once that was considered "trolling."


i look for any excuse i can find to talk to you!

 
pwhp_67 2008-10-07 04:31:21 PM  
Barnacles!:
Weaver95: I've seen nepotism, favoritism and every other sort of 'ism' you can imagine.

PRIAPISM too?



Bagism, Shagism, Dragism, Madism,
Ragism, Tagism
This-ism, That-ism, is-m, is-m, is-m


i37.photobucket.com

 
This Is Bold Text [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:31:23 PM  
One F Jef: Who cares about moderating.

OH MY GOD WE'RE ALL BEING PERSECUTED!

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:31:27 PM  
TheKnownUniverse: hahaha FCM is on the rag today

HAH, I'm this nice everyday.

 
Seacop 2008-10-07 04:31:27 PM  
Barnacles!: Another call for removing all ALT accounts. Each user should only be able to have ONE userid.

QFT

 
LaRoach [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:31:36 PM  
Some have suggested that we create a darker section of Fark and just leave it alone altogether

Fark After Dark?

 
Bob Ondeeznuts 2008-10-07 04:31:47 PM  
Dirtball: Yeah, but then this site becomes 4chan

MOAR!!!

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:31:52 PM  
LineNoise: Drew, quick question, will you be posting something along these lines in regards to how TF works?

As far as TF works from a moderating standpoint? There's a bit on that coming up, pt 3 or 4

 
Shiat talking Mushrooms 2008-10-07 04:31:55 PM  
oh sure, it's easy to hunt down a visible, high-value target like the dumb blonde, but how many of you even realized that the known universe is a well-connected shadow operative? most of you think she's just got those cat pics to be funny. THOSE PICS ARE A SUBTLE INSULT AIMED AT YOUR MOTHER

 
Biggs [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:31:56 PM  
How is all this going?

 
The Icelander [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:31:59 PM  
TheKnownUniverse: hahaha FCM is on the rag today

I laughed out loud at work and now people are looking at me.

 
MalloreeH 2008-10-07 04:32:05 PM  
Barnacles!: Another call for removing all ALT accounts. Each user should only be able to have ONE userid.

don't... because, then, I'll go away. =(

 
Dirtball [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:32:06 PM  
One F Jef: obvious psycho rant

And here comes the crazy.

 
lordargent 2008-10-07 04:32:06 PM  
bulldg4life: If there's one thing that should be removed, it is ALTs.

What did my cat ever do to you?

http://cgi.fark.com/cgi/fark/users.pl?tt=&login=clichekitty

 
RabidDog [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:32:21 PM  
daas_boot: daas_boot: *pokes head in.

that right there is the kind of comment that always gets me in trouble.


It's more when you shake it all about.

 
Sarcastica75 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:32:25 PM  
Pfft.

tl; dr.

 
Solid State Vittles [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:32:31 PM  
basemetal: This is about me posting cleavage pics in the political threads posted in TFD isn't it Drew?

basemetal, I don't like to use the word 'hero' often but you are the greatest hero in American history.

 
Xystance 2008-10-07 04:32:31 PM  
Hi Drew,

long time listener, first time caller,

When a post or article is removed why not leave the person's name there and just have a comment about why it's removed? OR not even that, just a placeholder with the guy's name that says "removed".

There have been a couple times where I've been posting in a thread and the entire article/thread gets removed (hit the reply button, try to post, goes nowhere), or someone has a comment that I am responding to and that comment disappears.

I largely like things the way they are, it's just a little confusing. I know that, but not why.

(Also, if this is solved by say, getting a TotalFark subscription, then please ignore me as I'm sure multiple other people will point this out and tell me to put up or shutup!)

 
sparky1013 2008-10-07 04:32:31 PM  
vernterv: I guess this would be a bad time to post with one of my alts.

my alt is Bea Arthur...


/its really no secret...

 
tekjansen 2008-10-07 04:32:31 PM  
Goals in Moderating Fark:

1. Remove all boobie pictures
2. ???
3. Profit

 
MisterPickles 2008-10-07 04:32:32 PM  
I understand their moderation scheme but I once got banned for a week because I encoded in hex and then to binary the name of a certain web-address-that-shall-not-be-named. A bit of off site legwork had to be done to figure out what it was and surprisingly, it was on topic. I understand why the ban happened but sheesh, that was a bit of a reach in my opinion.

 
tweekster [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:32:33 PM  
Shadow Blasko: Even with the best tech, you get situations where you end up handling it mostly on an IP level.

I have a class C at my disposal so I am really getting a kick out of some of these replies.

But I do agree 100%, just ban the alts at the IP level if they are trolling and be done with it.

 
Wendy's Chili 2008-10-07 04:32:33 PM  
What's the rule on the "Who wants chowda?" scene from Family Guy?

I got a hefty ban for posting those stills, but I see people do it all the time with impunity.

 
xalres 2008-10-07 04:32:45 PM  
R.A.Danny: xalres: I've had my PS entries deleted because I put a link to my own site, which I host my images off of, below the image. Yet it's okay to post links to imageshack with "Take the dumb test" on the bottom. One of the reasons I haven't gone TF yet.

Have you used Farkback to try and resolve the problem? There is a system for this, and I personally have always had my questions answered.


I did. Never heard anything back. I think the reason given had something to do with free advertising, which is pretty lame as even a cursory look at my site will show that it's not a business of any sort.

 
eyehate [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:32:51 PM  
POOP THREAD!!!

 
ms. bigglesworth 2008-10-07 04:33:01 PM  
at80 i'd like to ask you why a certain religion farker gets to violate the FarQ for YEARS & nothing ever happens. feel free to ask me his login & the part he violates

Oh honey, save that for your therapist.

 
Dread Pirate Slasher [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:33:01 PM  
One F Jef: Admin Rules:

I'll add one. If the headline contains a funny typo and people are commenting on it, don't correct the submission. Example, my crack about Zobie Gillis looks stupid now that the headline is fixed.

 
at80eighty 2008-10-07 04:33:03 PM  
hey RubyRed , just how sloppy ARE these beejs youre handing out?

 
Vman [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:33:03 PM  
One F Jef

Somebody needs super absorbent today!!!

 
aniktwo 2008-10-07 04:33:08 PM  
Barakku:

Oh, sounds good for me for an option-when on "power saver" my tablet doesn't like caturday/image heavy posts.


Yeah, there have been some very image heavy threads in the past 6 months. It's helpful with those ones. Otherwise I just like to have all the comments on one page. It's less clicks for us lazy folks.

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:33:09 PM  
Bob Ondeeznuts: 4. Nudity-Partial Nudity-NSFW picture

This is my downfall, almost every time, in some way shape or form.

Drew, thankfully, I'm not ruining TotalFark, I'm ruining photobucket. I've been permabanned from them three times already.

 
aerojockey 2008-10-07 04:33:09 PM  
Drew lies. When I had my first timeout it was for a year. I guess they spilled beer on the server.

 
dimoko [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:33:13 PM  
One F Jef: Who cares about moderating.


Let's talk about headline submitting, admins, and the greenlight/redlight system.

Admin Rules:


Greenlight articles which contain the following:

Lies about democrats.

Lies about liberalism.

Slander against democrats.

The following criteria must be present in the headline:

Bad spelling.

Lies about the content of the article.

Editorial suggestions about how bad democrats, liberals, and anyone who isn't a conservative republican.

Horrible grammar.

More lies.

Misrepresentation of facts (AKA Lies)

The following are what admins will not allow in a headline:

The truth.

The truth, particularly if it is negative towards republicans/conservatives.

Anything negative about republicans or conservatives.

Any headline which does not in some way denegrate Barack Obama.

Any headline which does not make fun of Ron Paul.

Any headline which does not contain lies.

The following websites are garaunteed a greenlight on fark:

Michelle Malkins blog.

John McCain campaign website.

Bill O'Reilly editorials.

The New Republic.

Little Green Footballs.

The Conservative Voice.

Focus on the Family blog.

Any website which caters to conservatives and discusses how liberalism and democrats are destroying America.

The following is how Fark pretends to be balanced or moderate:

Articles written on the Daily KOS which are poorly written or make democrats and liberals look like idiots shall be greenlit.

Articles written about Obama which make democrats look like drooling kool-aid drinkers shall be greenlit.

Articles which contain information which is already known due to the story being picked up by major news outlets and cannot be ignored or supressed, even if it contains negative information about Republicans, shall be reluctantly greenlit after trying very hard to suppress it.

Any article written from a democratic perspective that makes democrats look dumb shall be greenlit and Conservative farkers may then point to that article and discuss how incredibly balanced fark is.

Again, who cares about moderating, let's talk about how blatantly conservative fark is in the aggregating process.


stop crying and go back to huffington post.

 
BArtusio 2008-10-07 04:33:14 PM  
In the heat of a thread, I once posted a picture of a bible with poop on it. I was temporarily banned; I understood I had stepped too far when I had posted. I think a list of what users can't post is unnecessary, this list should be common sense.

 
bulldg4life 2008-10-07 04:33:14 PM  
Shadow Blasko: Problem is, its about freaking impossible.
Even with the best tech, you get situations where you end up handling it mostly on an IP level.


I dunno...from what I remember talking to pudintain and sweater girl...they were able to connect accounts better than one would expect.

Dread Pirate Slasher: WTF is a shadow ban?

Your posts are hidden from everybody but you. So, you go on merrily posting away without ever knowing that people can't see your posts. You probably just figure everybody is ignoring you.

You either figure it out and stop posting or you get bored when no one seems to be responding.

 
Angry Buddha 2008-10-07 04:33:17 PM  
sparky1013: the moderation is at best spotty, one day you can call someone fat and no big deal, the next day you make the same comment and you get banned...

You sound fat.

 
PYROY 2008-10-07 04:33:20 PM  
barjockey:

Patrick Swayze has let himself go.

 
NASAM 2008-10-07 04:33:26 PM  
Mayostard: I received a 24 hour ban for posting a picture of a girl showing 2 inches of her thong, the rest covered by jeans, while others were posting almost full-blown tits in threads surrounding it, yet mine was yanked, and the ban instituted. No warning, just a ban.

Drew was great at answering my initial email to him (really appreciated...seriously), but Farkback was useless, as expected. Not many presidents/owners/CEOs/founders/etc. would do that for a "customer". However, that one left a sour taste.

Pretty lousy moderating by whoever handled that one. IMO


Careful, the only time I've been banned (twice) was for commenting on the Mods in the threads.

 
Weaver95 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:33:27 PM  
LaRoach: Some have suggested that we create a darker section of Fark and just leave it alone altogether

Fark After Dark?


UnderFark.

 
goeniegoegoe [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:33:28 PM  
Except for the Canadians and other foreigners on TF I have no complaints whatsoever.

 
vernterv [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:33:35 PM  
lima beans: Oh I can't wait to hear!
*gets comfy*


*sits next to BFF*

 
absoluteparanoia 2008-10-07 04:33:50 PM  
Drew: As far as TF works from a moderating standpoint? There's a bit on that coming up, pt 3 or 4

Am I to understand that Farkback is completely worthless as a redress to moderation?

Because from what I read on this thread--people are directly contacting YOU and getting it resolved. It would be nice if there was a more direct method. F*ck even virtually unmoderated sites show a box at the bottom where you can appeal your timeout/ban.

Why doesn't Fark replace the removed comment box with an appeal box?

 
hockeyfarker 2008-10-07 04:33:51 PM  
I want to be in the anti-troll unit.

Leftenant hockeyfarker, reporting to kick ass, SIR!

 
basemetal [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:33:54 PM  
Solid State Vittles: basemetal: This is about me posting cleavage pics in the political threads posted in TFD isn't it Drew?

basemetal, I don't like to use the word 'hero' often but you are the greatest hero in American history.


I was just hoping someone saw that. Thanks.

 
adamgreeney 2008-10-07 04:33:58 PM  
tiggerfan: LineNoise: Drew, quick question, will you be posting something along these lines in regards to how TF works?

In terms of TF, I fully expect the moderation to be handled much more hands off then Lite. And I've seen that too. I've watched liters get banned for things that TF'ers haven't. Of course a lot of TF threads simply become back and forths between a few people. The less people that actually see a thread means less people to worry about it's contents. And frankly, the party analogy for TF works just as well. Except it is a smaller party. And the door is locked. You still can have random people wander in on your discussion, but they all know what they bought into. There are still standards though.


And to a large degree, TF moderates itself. If you come in acting like an ass, you will be shown the door. The trolling never seeps in because we don't let it. I think we can stand on our own for the most part.

 
Lt Shiny Sides 2008-10-07 04:34:01 PM  
daas_boot: *pokes head in.

I wish.

 
aniktwo 2008-10-07 04:34:01 PM  
YouWinAgainGravity: I'm all for more moderation of the AWs in tfd.

I actually agree with this one too! Oh and TF begging threads. Those drive me batty.

 
FuzzyNoNoseChimp [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:34:02 PM  
While it shows good attention to his customer base, it saddens me that a post like this is necessary. No offense to Drew, because this site has provided me with a lot of entertainment, but no site is worth getting worked up over. Not even Fark. If you seriously get upset and worked up over being called an idiot in a thread, being made fun of by a few users, or getting banned for a day or so, it's time to hit the bit X in the upper-right corner of the screen. It's a web site, made for entertainment purposes only. Take it for what it is.

 
DeadZone 2008-10-07 04:34:08 PM  
Drew:There's a series of drop-down boxes on our end to ensure that the sliding scale is consist. An infraction is committed, the mod looks in the individual's history to see if it has happened before, if so, then the next higher penalty level is assessed. This stuff is already hardcoded into the system.

Could there be then, some sort of "opt-in" for auto-ignoring users above a certain infraction level? If someone's consistently misbehaving (or trolling), and they've developed a history, giving others the option to discard their comments automatically might help to separate the wheat from the chaff, so to speak.

 
2sense 2008-10-07 04:34:10 PM  
I'd like to know...


When has a jigga decision ever gone gold?

 
Barakku [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:34:12 PM  
One F Jef: Who cares about moderating.
Again, who cares about moderating, let's talk about how blatantly conservative fark is in the aggregating process.


Yeah, because I don't see daily articles about how Bush/McCain suck, how Obama is god, and random, assorted ad-hominim attacks on Palin. Biased BS is the problem, and both parties are guilty of it.

 
bob_ross [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:34:14 PM  
Solid State Vittles: basemetal: This is about me posting cleavage pics in the political threads posted in TFD isn't it Drew?

basemetal, I don't like to use the word 'hero' often but you are the greatest hero in American history.


Seconded, thank god for basemetal

*Highfive*

 
AntiNorm [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:34:15 PM  
whereisian: And of course, a huge thanks to Drew, because the internet would suck without fark.

This.

 
robsul82 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:34:18 PM  
I mean, fark, it's already an unwritten understanding among the Politics regulars that you have to get into a thread early, because eventually one of the trolls will find it and blow it up. To a website that has clearly defined rules, that's absurd.

 
vegasj 2008-10-07 04:34:20 PM  
Does Jeff still get email updates when I post?

/i keed, I keed.


When you coming back to Vegas Drew?

 
joeycolby 2008-10-07 04:34:21 PM  
Shabash: bookmarked, cuz i can't figure out how to make it a favorite

That brings up another question...you guys can see our history on this site, but there have been some really cool old threads I posted in, but can't find them because they are so far in the past. Any way we could get a search box to find threads we posted in longer than 15 days ago? I'd like to find some that were before the favorite threads option was available.

 
Dixie_Wrecked 2008-10-07 04:34:22 PM  
EsteeFlwrPot: You never answered my hello, Drew. I thought we had something special. You told me you loved me...

*cries*


...and the winner of Attention Whore of the Month goes too...

 
El Farquistador 2008-10-07 04:34:31 PM  
fwiw, I'm a big fan of the moderation policies of this site. While I have noticed a lot more inane conversation as of late, I just attributed that to the current political atmosphere in the US, and not any internal failings in the way fark moderates.

 
khyberkitsune 2008-10-07 04:34:44 PM  
My personal thoughts are that Fark, as it exists, is fine. I'm against some bans over some things (like the free cat picture,) but other bans I can certainly understand.

I really think that moderators should be unseen and unheard. If you're going to edit a Caturday post, just edit the headline to say so, don't threadjack with a big fat boobies, please.

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:34:46 PM  
One F Jef: aggregating

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

 
sparky1013 2008-10-07 04:34:48 PM  
Angry Buddha: You sound fat.

MODERATOR! MY FEELINGS ARE HURT! THIS GUY SHOULD BE BANNED!

 
The Icelander [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:34:50 PM  
Would it be too much work to let someone know when they've been warned? You could use the same method as the birthday greetings. (Or is that how it works and I've just never gotten one?)

And I also think being able to see your warning level would be helpful.

 
I_C_Weener [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:34:51 PM  
YouWinAgainGravity: I'm all for more moderation of the AWs in tfd.

Amen. By the way, did I ever tell you about the time I banged 3 women at once?

 
Shadow Blasko [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:35:00 PM  
tweekster: But I do agree 100%, just ban the alts at the IP level if they are trolling and be done with it.

Cant be done with people using proximatron, which is incredibly popular in many countries who have weird firewall issues.

People who behave themselves suddenly find themselves banned.

(Unless its been changed recently)

 
TemporarySanity 2008-10-07 04:35:11 PM  
Dread Pirate Slasher: WTF is a shadow ban?

when it looks to the user as if his posts are going through.

 
Wendy's Chili 2008-10-07 04:35:15 PM  
MalloreeH: gahh... there are liters everywhere. I'm going back to TFD where I'm safe...

How YOU doin? *slicks eyebrows*

 
R.A.Danny [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:35:16 PM  
sparky1013: MODERATOR! MY FEELINGS ARE HURT! THIS GUY SHOULD BE BANNED!

Shaddap when men are talking!

 
Bob Ondeeznuts 2008-10-07 04:35:18 PM  
frenchcheesemuseum: This is my downfall, almost every time, in some way shape or form.

It was a wonderful picture. Funny thing is that it was still on the thread the next day after I was sent to Farktanamo Bay..

 
Purelilac [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:35:20 PM  
Late to the thread, but well said.

 
Ruca [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:35:26 PM  
thepensivepoet: I, misguidedly, assumed that everyone would check their statusbar before blindly clicking on a link.

I did check my status bar that one time with the lemon party. Which is why I didn't click.

i'm behind you man

(eeeyyyooo)

 
Mirrorz 2008-10-07 04:35:31 PM  
FarkinHostile:

thepensivepoet

Fark account number: 294515
Account created: 2006-07-14 11:49:53
Excuse me, Newbie? 2006? And you are bragging about paying for this? I'd bet I've had more sponsored, free TF that you have paid for.

This is my third account, BTW. Been here since 2001.


OHHHHH! You got served bro!!
Speaking of serving, can someone loan me $5 to re-up my TotalFarkage.

Sponsor! Sponsor! Sponsor!

 
daas_boot [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:35:38 PM  
I got banned once for posting a pic of a guy with his shirt off. That's it. No pubes showing, no nothing. Just a dude with his shirt off. I'm still upset about that.

Not really, I'm over it. I just wanted to join the discussion.

 
Dread Pirate Slasher [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:35:45 PM  
bulldg4life: You either figure it out and stop posting or you get bored when no one seems to be responding.

That happens to me a lot. I just figure it's because I'm being stupid and/or boring.

 
Flying Undead Sheep 2008-10-07 04:35:46 PM  
Slightly off-topic, but how about a "Stalk" button that lists the last ten threads that a person has posted in? That could lead to some highly interesting cross-thread flame wars. AWESOME!

 
skribble 2008-10-07 04:35:48 PM  
just adding my 2¢ - whatever that may be. i have nothing to add to this thread, and i'm not quite sure why you're reading this. as a lowly non-TFer, and having 3/4 of my submissions redlit - i could give a rat's ass. just know that most of my redlit submissions get more replies than quite a few greenlits.

/just sayin'
//i don't know what i'm sayin' - its 4:30 and i've been drinking.
///florida, cant help it

 
Barnacles! [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:35:49 PM  
Bob Ondeeznuts: I was sent to Farktanamo Bay..

HAHAHAHAHA

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:35:50 PM  
The Icelander: TheKnownUniverse: hahaha FCM is on the rag today

I laughed out loud at work and now people are looking at me.


:P

(wait are smileys still okay?)

 
bighairyguy [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:35:50 PM  
R.A.Danny: sparky1013: but when have you ever gotten a ban overturned because the banning itself was totally ridiculous?

there's no appeal process...

I got a ban overturned when I was completely in the wrong.


I got one overturned recently in PS contest. It can be done, sometimes. I'm 1 for 3 on it. About 50% of my bans have been legit, all PS contests. Accuracy and consistency is all I ask.

 
skiptomyloop [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:35:51 PM  
vernterv: lima beans: Oh I can't wait to hear!
*gets comfy*

*sits next to BFF*


:(

 
TheKnownUniverse 2008-10-07 04:35:54 PM  
We need more trolls, alts, and whores.

 
moulding god 2008-10-07 04:35:59 PM  
The political threadjacking is annoying, but tolerable.
It's the AW-ing that pops up once in a while that ruins potentially interesting threads that pisses me off.

 
Tin Foil Milliner [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:36:00 PM  
frenchcheesemuseum: That being said, I promise I'll be good from now on and I'll link all my dirty dirty stuff with a warning.

I, for one, LOVE yr dirty stuff! Keep it coming!

 
basemetal [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:36:00 PM  
IdahoPrime: also, boobs

farm4.static.flickr.com

 
onecanshort [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:36:02 PM  
Barnacles!: Another call for removing all ALT accounts. Each user should only be able to have ONE userid.

I agree, but how are you going to enforce that?

Can't do it on IP address, because if one person at your company has a Fark account, that's it, you can't have one.

If you do it based on billing info, it's rather tough b/c its not like you can have a differ net paper trail or anything. Sure if you're smart you can catch someone, but that takes a bit of work. I doubt anyone's going to want to do that for each new account.

 
bukketmaster 2008-10-07 04:36:09 PM  
Weaver95
LaRoach: Some have suggested that we create a darker section of Fark and just leave it alone altogether

Fark After Dark?

UnderFark.


I second the motion

 
RubyRed [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:36:11 PM  
TheDumbBlonde: Who did you blow?

No one, but I did send Drew a cleavage pic back in 2003.

 
aniktwo 2008-10-07 04:36:23 PM  
TemporarySanity: Dread Pirate Slasher: WTF is a shadow ban?

when it looks to the user as if his posts are going through.


I pretty much think I'm shadowbanned a lot of the time. I think it's just because I've been busy at work and not around TFD very much. I feel lonely!

 
littlett's [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:36:28 PM  
Flying Undead Sheep: Slightly off-topic, but how about a "Stalk" button that lists the last ten threads that a person has posted in? That could lead to some highly interesting cross-thread flame wars. AWESOME!

I think that's one of the things that they are trying to prevent.

 
R.A.Danny [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:36:28 PM  
This is kinda augering in, just like you wanted to avoid, isn't it, Drew?

 
serpent_sky [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:36:36 PM  
Dirtball: mooshie: bobbette: - there should be a little less moderation of TFD; I think there are too many insane, and entertaining, threads being deleted. If they're too much for regular TFD, maybe there should be a spinoff tab of TFD where people are allowed to be stupider and more outrageous than regular TFD, and the understanding is that anything (short of rampantly NSFW content, maybe?) goes. TFD: Miami, if you will. Where people wear multiple pairs of sunglasses and get into gun battles with sharks.

Yeah, but then this site becomes 4chan

There has to be a balance, though ... I think a bit of room for s bit more sex stuff and some looser threads [maybe add an explicit tag?] would be okay without becoming 4chan....

Most people on TF are smart enough to not do that, but I think the rules can be a bit vague when it comes to what does/doesn't get deleted, and a lot of times, people ARE participating/interested, so there's clearly room for it.

I think the people who pay the $5/month [not that it's a lot, but it's more than nothing] should have a bit more say... but that's just me.

 
absoluteparanoia 2008-10-07 04:36:39 PM  
I, for one, am proud of how much bandwidth I use from Fark without seeing, downloading, or clicking a single advertisement.

Download Firefox (new window)

Install Ad Block plus (new window)

And choose "EasyList".

If the moderation policies pertaining to "competitive advertising" bother you... I suggest you do the same.

 
NittLion78 2008-10-07 04:36:40 PM  
I get irritated sometimes in TFD with mods deleting threads that I think aren't really that big a deal. Part of it is I feel the $5/m should tacitly state, "I can hack it."

When it comes to the main page/tab submissions and the threads therein, okay - I get it. But I just think that the mods in TFD threads can be a little too much like this...

img294.imageshack.us

...when, in fact, less is more.

DISCLAIMER: It's been better lately.

SUGGESTION: When a thread gets voted way down in TFD, it means it's bulls***, and should be axed accordingly. For the most part, this has been working, and I suggest you keep it that way.

 
JoeCowboy 2008-10-07 04:36:40 PM  
Shiat talking Mushrooms:

let me set up my anti-troll unit, drew, and let me get to work.


Like he wants INS on his ass, too.

daas_boot: *pokes head in.

that is ghey

JC

 
Clorox Man 2008-10-07 04:36:41 PM  
One F Jef:

The following criteria must be present in the headline:
Bad spelling.
Horrible grammar.
More lies.

The following websites are garaunteed a greenlight on fark:
...


Post Check.
//Pet Poove

 
basemetal [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:36:44 PM  
TheKnownUniverse: We need more trolls, alts, and whores.

But of course.

 
Barakku [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:36:50 PM  
I_C_Weener: "You see Sherman, it only takes a few bad apples to ruin the whole bunch."

"Gee Mr. Drew, you sure know your stuff."

Drew, I suggest that if enough people get out of control, we set-up a thread for the sole purpose of letting off steam. A no holds barred verbal joust to the end. Maybe some kind of Insult-a-Thon.


Like the HA HA guy thread? That didn't really work that well, did it?

aniktwo: YouWinAgainGravity: I'm all for more moderation of the AWs in tfd.

I actually agree with this one too! Oh and TF begging threads. Those drive me batty.


It's not just TFD. I haven't been in TFD for some time though (duh), so it may be more of a problem that I realize.
/The 12 year old AW getting TF has already been mentioned
//Yay for trainwrecks

 
Flying Undead Sheep 2008-10-07 04:36:51 PM  
Dixie_Wrecked: EsteeFlwrPot: You never answered my hello, Drew. I thought we had something special. You told me you loved me...

*cries*

...and the winner of Attention Whore of the Month goes too...


How about an official AW of the Month award too?

 
FootInMouthDisease 2008-10-07 04:36:56 PM  
adamgreeney: we are stock to the brim of free range trolls.

so like grass fed? no hormones?

i bet those taste better anyways.

 
battl_web17 2008-10-07 04:37:01 PM  
Hiymenator: So Fark is a house party?

I'll do the Kid n Play dance but I am not, under an circumstances, growing a high top fade like that again. You understand?

 
Lumoclear 2008-10-07 04:37:02 PM  
First of all, bring back fb. Poke him and see if he has the time. Every website needs an ultracool modmin around. And fb is the father.

Allow us to post boobage like we used to. I still recall the sad thread when I read that Drew said we had to scale back because we didn't want to give the wrong impression to the sponsors.

And if a post is deleted, why are all the comments referring to it directly or indirectly also deleted? The cummulative posts (minus the offending post) would atill have been a part of the discussion thread no matter what had it not been removed. So why carpet bomb the whole thread? At a house party a person gets tossed out for bad drunken vodak influenced behaviour; the owner of the house doesn't go around and take away everyone's vodak cup.

Yeah, I know, we'll get over it.

 
vernterv [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:37:10 PM  
skiptomyloop: vernterv: lima beans: Oh I can't wait to hear!
*gets comfy*

*sits next to BFF*

:(


You can sit with us too!!

 
Dread Pirate Slasher [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:37:15 PM  
daas_boot: I got banned once for posting a pic of a guy with his shirt off. That's it. No pubes showing, no nothing. Just a dude with his shirt off. I'm still upset about that.

Not really, I'm over it. I just wanted to join the discussion.


Depends on the dude. Was he fat and nasty? Either that or he was nice and buff and the Admin felt inadequate.

 
hockeyfarker 2008-10-07 04:37:15 PM  
Lt Shiny Sides:daas_boot: *pokes head in.

I wish.


*chokes on cashews*

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:37:16 PM  
BArtusio: In the heat of a thread, I once posted a picture of a bible with poop on it. I was temporarily banned

Yeah I had a poop incident as well. I was politely informed that animal balls and bare monkey asses were okay, just no poop.

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:37:21 PM  
NASAM: Why can't we discuss banned Farkers?

That's coming up in a future part of this discussion

 
goeniegoegoe [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:37:29 PM  
Has anyone seen aniktwo lately?

 
chemical_angel [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:37:30 PM  
So there's an accumulative point system sort of thing next to every user's name ... one question? How am I still here?

/sure is a swell site ya have here Drew ...
//ahem ...

 
aquigley 2008-10-07 04:37:32 PM  
dammit, Drew, you completely and totally outTotalBlogged me

 
pwhp_67 2008-10-07 04:37:34 PM  
eyehate: POOP THREAD!!!



WHERE?!?



about goddam time...

 
tiggerfan [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:37:35 PM  
adamgreeney: tiggerfan: LineNoise: Drew, quick question, will you be posting something along these lines in regards to how TF works?

In terms of TF, I fully expect the moderation to be handled much more hands off then Lite. And I've seen that too. I've watched liters get banned for things that TF'ers haven't. Of course a lot of TF threads simply become back and forths between a few people. The less people that actually see a thread means less people to worry about it's contents. And frankly, the party analogy for TF works just as well. Except it is a smaller party. And the door is locked. You still can have random people wander in on your discussion, but they all know what they bought into. There are still standards though.

And to a large degree, TF moderates itself. If you come in acting like an ass, you will be shown the door. The trolling never seeps in because we don't let it. I think we can stand on our own for the most part.


Also very true. As long as your not posting NSFW in threads or marking stuff NSFW or posting malware or other crap.

 
smooshie 2008-10-07 04:37:41 PM  
bukketmaster: I second the motion

I third the motion!

 
jjorsett 2008-10-07 04:37:44 PM  
Thanks for the explanation Drew. It clears up several nmisconceptions I had about how moderating is handled.

As long as you might be on the thread, let me take the opportunity to say thanks for adding the link check feature to the "submit article" page. I can't tell you how many times I've taken a long time to come up with a work of genius for a headline, only to find out that it was already submitted and my work was for naught. At least now I know that my efforts won't necessarily be in vain.

i35.tinypic.com

 
Shiat talking Mushrooms 2008-10-07 04:37:51 PM  
hockeyfarker: I want to be in the anti-troll unit.

Leftenant hockeyfarker, reporting to kick ass, SIR!


you see this, drew? i already have hf recruited. if you look at his record, i believe you will see that his only infractions of the rules were public urination, but it was when his beloved Calgary Flames got worked last year in the playoffs, so please don't hold it against him. as always, i will also employ the services of my man solid state vittles. i know you don't like his methods. to be honest, he is a bit more brutal than i would like, but frankly, i leave the room when he gets to work on a perp, and he does the work that needs be done.

are you any closer to approving secret funds for my anti-troll unit?

 
PYROY 2008-10-07 04:37:56 PM  
MalloreeH: gahh... there are liters everywhere.

Welcome to the other side of the tracks, we're about to get all public school on your ass.

 
daas_boot [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:37:57 PM  
JoeCowboy: that is ghey

So is that pic in your profile.

 
Miss_Jive_Turkey [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:38:06 PM  
I'm just here for the mashed potatoes and beer.

 
redoctober65 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:38:12 PM  
No fences, parted fields, nor marks, nor bounds, Distinguished acres of litigious grounds
- Dryden

 
at80eighty 2008-10-07 04:38:14 PM  
ms. bigglesworth: Oh honey, save that for your therapist.

watch it. dont call me honey. we havent even IM'd yet

 
aniktwo 2008-10-07 04:38:27 PM  
Barakku:
It's not just TFD. I haven't been in TFD for some time though (duh), so it may be more of a problem that I realize.
/The 12 year old AW getting TF has already been mentioned
//Yay for trainwrecks


I love trainwrecks.
I just hate it when a pretty girl shows up and all "tee hees" herself into a sponsorship. I know that's the way the world works, but I dunno... it makes me farking mad.

/not a pretty girl
//not a tee hee-er

 
Weaver95 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:38:29 PM  
RubyRed: TheDumbBlonde: Who did you blow?

No one, but I did send Drew a cleavage pic back in 2003.


pfft. the only thing you ever gave me was a computer virus.

 
skribble 2008-10-07 04:38:29 PM  
Part II, ELECTRIC BOOGALOO

 
Flying Undead Sheep 2008-10-07 04:38:32 PM  
littlett's: Flying Undead Sheep: Slightly off-topic, but how about a "Stalk" button that lists the last ten threads that a person has posted in? That could lead to some highly interesting cross-thread flame wars. AWESOME!

I think that's one of the things that they are trying to prevent.


Oh. Well, in that case, that would be a terrible idea. How about a "Stalk" button that tells you the exact location of a FARKer?

/running out of 'good' ideas

 
vincent_blackshadow [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:38:36 PM  
Kitwilly: My ears are burning!

you pee through your ears?

 
serpent_sky [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:38:54 PM  
onecanshort: If you do it based on billing info, it's rather tough b/c its not like you can have a differ net paper trail or anything. Sure if you're smart you can catch someone, but that takes a bit of work. I doubt anyone's going to want to do that for each new account.

Then you run into couples/sponsors/roommates/friends/etc.

For quite some time, my friend paid for my TF, and if someone looked at the paper trail, they could have just assumed one was an alt based on that, when really, my roommate was just paying for my TF for me.

 
sparky1013 2008-10-07 04:38:54 PM  
Miss_Jive_Turkey: I'm just here for the mashed potatoes and beer.

its safe to eat the mashed potatoes again?

 
cookiecatter 2008-10-07 04:38:56 PM  
The people at this party are jerks!

/rtfa
//okay, half of it

 
lima beans [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:39:00 PM  
vernterv: skiptomyloop: vernterv: lima beans: Oh I can't wait to hear!
*gets comfy*

*sits next to BFF*

:(

You can sit with us too!!


Okay!
Ima pop some popcorn!

 
stolibro 2008-10-07 04:39:03 PM  
Whamdangler: tl;

This

 
DeerNuts 2008-10-07 04:39:06 PM  
More Weeners. Many more Weeners. Please.

That's all I have to say about that.

 
Lt Shiny Sides 2008-10-07 04:39:07 PM  
hockeyfarker:
*chokes on cashews*


LIVE, DAMN YOU, LIVE!!

 
xaraan 2008-10-07 04:39:13 PM  
I love Fark, I've been coming here for years to get links to a variety of weird stories, news stories, etc. I like that the submitted stories seem to be filtered out and are not pushed to be at the top like some other sites are. So I like the format here.

I only recently starting coming to the comment sections; so I'm a bit confused about some of the discussion. It doesn't seem like the comments are all that moderated other than for spam maybe; but people seem to go at it pretty freely. Which is good. Although the comments fill up quickly, so it can be hard to keep up with a discussion if you aren't willing to spend a long time at it.

But all in all, things seemed to be handled pretty well here. There is as much freedom as you can give without anarchy breaking out.

 
aniktwo 2008-10-07 04:39:21 PM  
goeniegoegoe: Has anyone seen aniktwo lately?


Oh my, you just made my day!!

/it's amazing what a little green arrow can do

 
bronyaur1 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:39:23 PM  
A suggestion: How about moderating the Friday and Sat night T or D threads with a lighter hand than the rest of the site? It is limited, it is late-night, and it gives folks a chance to let their hair down a little bit and be JUST a tad naughtier than usual.

Not that T or D is terribly overmoderated now, but perhaps the sense that things are a bit looser might be good for Fark.

 
vernterv [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:39:27 PM  
TheKnownUniverse: We need more trolls, alts, and whores.

♫Trolls, Alts and Whores♫

 
TheDumbBlonde [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:39:28 PM  
RubyRed: TheDumbBlonde: Who did you blow?

No one, but I did send Drew a cleavage pic back in 2003.


I sent Jeff a cleavage shot years ago and got banned for 3 months!

 
littlett's [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:39:29 PM  
Miss_Jive_Turkey: I'm just here for the mashed potatoes and beer.

Smashy pots?

 
RubyRed [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:39:37 PM  
at80eighty: hey RubyRed , just how sloppy ARE these beejs youre handing out?

As sloppy as you want, baby.

 
pwhp_67 2008-10-07 04:39:49 PM  
frenchcheesemuseum: BArtusio: In the heat of a thread, I once posted a picture of a bible with poop on it. I was temporarily banned

Yeah I had a poop incident as well. I was politely informed that animal balls and bare monkey asses were okay, just no poop.



I posted a picture of fake poop, the plastic joke stuff, and got a timeout.

Can I say timeout?

 
hockeyfarker 2008-10-07 04:39:53 PM  
yeah, on TFD, I support the alts and attention whores. and it's tough to get a troll by on people. nother vote for leaving the trainwrecks and CJs up on TFD, unless they are just complete hate-fests.

 
Bob Ondeeznuts 2008-10-07 04:39:54 PM  
hockeyfarker: Lt Shiny Sides:daas_boot: *pokes head in.

I wish.

*chokes on cashews*


Who puts cashews in their own, wait, Oh....I see what's going on now. I thought for a second that, nevermind.

 
palladiate's hair 2008-10-07 04:40:03 PM  
Barnacles!: Another call for removing all ALT accounts. Each user should only be able to have ONE userid.

:(

 
Dread Pirate Slasher [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:40:03 PM  
goeniegoegoe: Has anyone seen aniktwo lately?

Who?

 
battl_web17 2008-10-07 04:40:06 PM  
Drew: NASAM: Why can't we discuss banned Farkers?

That's coming up in a future part of this discussion


That's good because I am tired of not being able to talk about T****No Carrier****

 
vernterv [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:40:07 PM  
TheDumbBlonde: RubyRed: TheDumbBlonde: Who did you blow?

No one, but I did send Drew a cleavage pic back in 2003.

I sent Jeff a cleavage shot years ago and got banned for 3 months!


Because they were goonies boobs.

 
Barnacles! [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:40:09 PM  
If Fark is a House Party, then this is me:

img135.imageshack.us

 
Solid State Vittles [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:40:10 PM  
Shiat talking Mushrooms: you see this, drew? i already have hf recruited. if you look at his record, i believe you will see that his only infractions of the rules were public urination, but it was when his beloved Calgary Flames got worked last year in the playoffs, so please don't hold it against him. as always, i will also employ the services of my man solid state vittles. i know you don't like his methods. to be honest, he is a bit more brutal than i would like, but frankly, i leave the room when he gets to work on a perp, and he does the work that needs be done.

I am highly effective, and I am ready to serve.

 
dimoko [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:40:15 PM  
hey, some TFer should pick a TFD thread that is already running so we can go talk about this in private.

 
at80eighty 2008-10-07 04:40:20 PM  
Lumoclear: First of all, bring back fb. Poke him and see if he has the time. Every website needs an ultracool modmin around. And fb is the father.

...

you mean posting or admin'ing

DREW IM STILL WONDERING ABOUT THE SONG & EMOTICON

 
vudukungfu 2008-10-07 04:40:26 PM  
I'm looking around at who all's posting and have a question:
WHO'S WATCHING THE STORE threads?

 
pwhp_67 2008-10-07 04:40:27 PM  
Shiat talking Mushrooms: are you any closer to approving secret funds for my anti-troll unit?



Which one of your alts will you go after first?

 
Weaver95 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:40:42 PM  
y'know, another thing that is REALLY gonna suck for moderators is election night. Actually, the entire week prior to election night is probably going to be pretty bad. alts, trolls, and all sorts of unintential asshattery will abound. For my part, I plan on watching more than commenting during that week...but God help whomever gets stuck watching the politics tab that month!

 
Karate Explosion 2008-10-07 04:40:43 PM  
Shadow Blasko: Yeah. I got one time out in 7 years, and I have danced the line a few times. (Usually in [what was] the Night Crew threads, so I think my naughtiness was often overlooked)

Ahh... those were the days my friend. Those were the days.

 
Dirtball [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:40:45 PM  
everytime I get sad, or down, or just mopey, I can always count on NittLion78 posting a Robocop related picture and it brightens my day.

THANKS NITT

 
aniktwo 2008-10-07 04:40:45 PM  
hockeyfarker: yeah, on TFD, I support the alts and attention whores. and it's tough to get a troll by on people. nother vote for leaving the trainwrecks and CJs up on TFD, unless they are just complete hate-fests.

More trainwrecks!

/authentic trainwrecks
//don't yank so many threads please

 
tweekster [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:41:06 PM  
I think there should be an exception to the Free Cat picture.

 
RubyRed [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:41:24 PM  
Weaver95: pfft. the only thing you ever gave me was a computer virus.

You're lucky that is only kind of virus I gave you...

TheDumbBlonde: I sent Jeff a cleavage shot years ago and got banned for 3 months!

I guess that says something about your rack, doesn't it?

 
andyofne [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:41:34 PM  
frenchcheesemuseum: One F Jef: aggregating

I don't think that word means what you think it means.


My wife was very aggregating last night so I slapped her.

 
aniktwo 2008-10-07 04:41:37 PM  
Dread Pirate Slasher: goeniegoegoe: Has anyone seen aniktwo lately?

Who?


Well, you've hurt my feelings a little bit, but I also got a green arrow, so I'll let it slide.

 
goeniegoegoe [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:41:46 PM  
Drew, now that the thread has died I would like to extend my continuing admiration to you and your crew.

Every time I was banned it was totally correct.

One complaint: 5 days for a LP thread is way too short, this way the amateurs get a chance of winning too. While endurance pros (like me) aren't even up to steam yet. Also more Mornington Crescent threads plz.

 
Dirtball [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:41:54 PM  
bronyaur1: It is limited, it is late-night, and it gives folks a chance to let their hair down a little bit and be JUST a tad naughtier than usual.

nononononononononono

 
namegoeshere 2008-10-07 04:41:57 PM  
nicoffeine: Shadow Blasko: namegoeshere: Meh, it's fine the way it is.

Account Created 2007-09-11 20:27:00


Get off my lawn.

I agree with namegoeshere.

Account number pissing contest! WEEEEEE!


Rudy Giuliani says I win ;)

 
Mirrorz 2008-10-07 04:42:01 PM  
thepensivepoet: Mirrorz: Sponsor! Sponsor! Sponsor!

I can't hear you over the sound of my drummer cracking his skull on the bottom of the shallow end.


Luckily I can hear you over the sound of Itunes crashing and stopping the party.

 
Shiat talking Mushrooms 2008-10-07 04:42:02 PM  
Solid State Vittles:

I am highly effective, and I am ready to serve.


oh man, you even give ME the chills. you were made for this gig.

pwhp_67:

Which one of your alts will you go after first?


ohhhh, you are so going to be first against the wall...err, i mean, first into the correction device

 
hockeyfarker 2008-10-07 04:42:05 PM  
Lt Shiny Sides:hockeyfarker: *chokes on cashews*

LIVE, DAMN YOU, LIVE!!


I'm gonna need some kind of resuscitation. not mouth to mouth, the other one. mouth to *COMMENT TRUNCATED*

 
Barakku [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:42:06 PM  
Flying Undead Sheep: Dixie_Wrecked: EsteeFlwrPot: You never answered my hello, Drew. I thought we had something special. You told me you loved me...

*cries*

...and the winner of Attention Whore of the Month goes too...

How about an official AW of the Month award too?


Can the reward be a month long ban?

aniktwo: Barakku:
It's not just TFD. I haven't been in TFD for some time though (duh), so it may be more of a problem that I realize.
/The 12 year old AW getting TF has already been mentioned
//Yay for trainwrecks

I love trainwrecks.
I just hate it when a pretty girl shows up and all "tee hees" herself into a sponsorship. I know that's the way the world works, but I dunno... it makes me farking mad.

/not a pretty girl
//not a tee hee-er


Lol, it was a failwreck then, you're right, trainwrecks are good, clean, morbid fun.

Drew: NASAM: Why can't we discuss banned Farkers?

That's coming up in a future part of this discussion


When are the later sections going to be posted, so I can know not to miss them? Sorry if this has been answered, I'm not following so well, mostly just your posts and responses to my posts.

 
PYROY 2008-10-07 04:42:07 PM  
dimoko: hey, some TFer should pick a TFD thread that is already running so we can go talk about this in private.

Elitist. You and your $5 having ass.

 
towatchoverme 2008-10-07 04:42:08 PM  
aniktwo: I love trainwrecks.
I just hate it when a pretty girl shows up and all "tee hees" herself into a sponsorship. I know that's the way the world works, but I dunno... it makes me farking mad.

/not a pretty girl
//not a tee hee-er


That's why i like pelting them with sharp, hurtful, pointy words until they start wailing "why me? I'm PRETTY!"

Just plain fun, that.

 
Cordwainer Deathbird [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:42:22 PM  
hockeyfarker: unless they are just complete hate-fests.

*gasp*

Surely this NEVER happens!

 
WoodyHayes 2008-10-07 04:42:23 PM  
I'd just like it if all the Michigan fans could be banned.

Other than that, keep up the good work.

 
Barnacles! [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:42:23 PM  
tweekster: I think there should be an exception to the Free Cat picture.

and maybe one day a month, there will be a pre-planned Poop Mega-thread.


heh heh sweeeeeet.

 
smells_like_meat [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:42:25 PM  
NASAM: GoGoGo: i take issue with the concept of 'thread-jacking'

discussion is meant to be alive...
if people choose to respond to any post....let them.
if they dont, then fine.
people shouldnt have to justify a relation to a topic.
perhaps the idea or basis of the post was simply inspired by the 'topic' but is distant in terms of relevance.

big deal.
let the thread jackers jack

Amen.
Threads should move at their own volition.


Yes. Consider this recent "epic" thread. This is why I waste time on Fark. The whole thread was a threadjack, but very cool.

http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=3912753

 
IdBeCrazyIf 2008-10-07 04:42:27 PM  
MalloreeH: gahh... there are liters everywhere. I'm going back to TFD where I'm safe...

Don't make me pay 5 dollars to come drag you back out from there.


On topic moment...So like.... Drew are these threads Kosher for us to discuss our individual status? I mean really when you spoke of the 5 year user thing that was once banned all the time and now really doesn't

.... you were talking to my soul man!

 
impaler [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:42:35 PM  
On fark.com, the mods troll YOU

 
The Biggest Redneck On Tatooine 2008-10-07 04:42:38 PM  
aerojockey: Drew lies. When I had my first timeout it was for a year. I guess they spilled beer on the server.

either youre yankin my chain.. or that was an epic first time violation lol

but two of my time-outs were for no good reason, to be fair both were only 24hrs, so it expired before farkback could reply to my inquiry.

 
Miss_Jive_Turkey [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:42:41 PM  
sparky1013 its safe to eat the mashed potatoes again?

It all depends on who makes them ;)

 
ProducedBy [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:43:05 PM  
Drew: if it was limitted


Anyway to clear up the "make the mods work hard" bit. If somebody gets banned for that because some people just complain alot, that seems to result in a ban for nothing more that some people dont like somebody, and then make a point to cry ato mods about a person.

We know that some people have been perma banned under this reasoning, and all because a mob decided to over time, complain enough to make the mods work hard. Make sense?

And is there a reason that you guys cant just say why people were banned via the offenders profile? I get the feeling this would likely limit some nonsense, and for gods sake, find a way to out smittys like Jeff used to who are clearly be dumb and submitting nonsense or fake trainwrecks week after week.

 
unremarkable asterisk [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:43:14 PM  
thepensivepoet: Who are all these people and why don't they have a tag next to their name?

I'M SCARED.


Just hold your breath, and avoid eye contact.
You'll be ok.

 
hockeychick [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:43:17 PM  
All in all, I still love this place.

It's Drew's world, we're just living in it.

 
bobbette 2008-10-07 04:43:21 PM  
bulldg4life: Shadow Blasko: Problem is, its about freaking impossible.
Even with the best tech, you get situations where you end up handling it mostly on an IP level.

I dunno...from what I remember talking to pudintain and sweater girl...they were able to connect accounts better than one would expect.

Dread Pirate Slasher: WTF is a shadow ban?

Your posts are hidden from everybody but you. So, you go on merrily posting away without ever knowing that people can't see your posts. You probably just figure everybody is ignoring you.

You either figure it out and stop posting or you get bored when no one seems to be responding.


Uh, yeah, the shadow ban thing (are we allowed to talk about it in this thread? I think it's relevant) was a big problem for me.

It just didn't seem in the upfront spirit of Fark. Very disappointing, in my opinion.

I don't know if that's still going on or what, but I really, really hope not and I'd like to know what the current situation is there, Drew.

 
Pxtl 2008-10-07 04:43:21 PM  
littlett's: I think that's one of the things that they are trying to prevent.

I always find it remarkable how hard it is to stalk myself in Fark, even, much less anybody else. Search engines ignore the Fark comment pages, comment history on myFark only goes so far back, and nobody else can even see it.

Even though this is the internet and it belongs to the ages, Fark seems to go to heavy lengths to make a little anonymity here. It's appreciated, since my various shenanigans here would otherwise probably end my professional life instantly.

 
IdBeCrazyIf 2008-10-07 04:43:30 PM  
hockeyfarker: yeah, on TFD, I support the alts and attention whores. and it's tough to get a troll by on people. nother vote for leaving the trainwrecks and CJs up on TFD, unless they are just complete hate-fests.

Last TFD submission got me a timeout... even though the topic was technically true.

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:43:39 PM  
sparky1013: R.A.Danny: Have you used Farkback to try and resolve the problem? There is a system for this, and I personally have always had my questions answered.

sure they are answered, but when have you ever gotten a ban overturned because the banning itself was totally ridiculous?

there's no appeal process...


There's no appeal process once you've exhausted your last chance. This is true. Otherwise, an appeal is still in play.

 
bronyaur1 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:43:41 PM  
Dirtball: bronyaur1: It is limited, it is late-night, and it gives folks a chance to let their hair down a little bit and be JUST a tad naughtier than usual.

nononononononononono


why not? Nobody HAS to go in there.

 
aniktwo 2008-10-07 04:43:42 PM  
towatchoverme:
That's why i like pelting them with sharp, hurtful, pointy words until they start wailing "why me? I'm PRETTY!"

Just plain fun, that.


I agree, but then I get called fat and I get all hurt and I retreat into my cave again. I'm glad you're there to be mean though.

 
whereisian 2008-10-07 04:43:46 PM  
Shadow Blasko: bulldg4life: If there's one thing that should be removed, it is ALTs.

Yeah.

Problem is, its about freaking impossible.

Even with the best tech, you get situations where you end up handling it mostly on an IP level.


It might not be a silver bullet, but it should slow them down. It would be a deterrent.

 
Dread Pirate Slasher [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:44:05 PM  
dimoko: hey, some TFer should pick a TFD thread that is already running so we can go talk about this in private.

We can use the thread about the dude who found a kernel of corn in his pocket, it seems to be dead.

 
realtorofthemonth [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:44:12 PM  
I love this thread so much.

/so much.

 
merlotguy [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:44:16 PM  
I remember when this was just farmland and life was pure. Back then I had to walk five miles in the snow to post a headline, just to have it rejected.

 
Weaver95 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:44:22 PM  
Maybe it's just my paranoia speaking, but sometimes I wonder if an otherwise lackluster headline gets a greenlight more for the discussion going on under it than based on any merits of the headline in question. If a 'perfect storm' of people and comments occurs, that headlight seems to go green faster than if a great headline just gets a ton of 'gee, great headline' comments and nothing else.

not that it means anything mind you. just something I hallucinate about from time to time.

 
littlett's [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:44:25 PM  
Shiat talking Mushrooms: oh man, you even give ME the chills. you were made for this gig.

Just tell him to back off me for a while. I'm not an alt.

 
Deadfeznt [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:44:32 PM  
where can I get a breathalizer for my computer

 
dimoko [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:44:32 PM  
PYROY: dimoko: hey, some TFer should pick a TFD thread that is already running so we can go talk about this in private.

Elitist. You and your $5 having ass.


i DONT have $5! i spent it on the TFark!

 
basemetal [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:44:45 PM  
skiptomyloop: thepensivepoet: Who are all these people and why don't they have a tag next to their name?

I'M SCARED.


Bah ha ha ha ha ...Cough cough cough...damned cold.

 
Huskadoodle [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:44:57 PM  
Tell me Drew, did you guys create TFD to coral the crazies?

 
aniktwo 2008-10-07 04:45:05 PM  
bronyaur1: Dirtball: bronyaur1: It is limited, it is late-night, and it gives folks a chance to let their hair down a little bit and be JUST a tad naughtier than usual.

nononononononononono

why not? Nobody HAS to go in there.


Sometimes I don't go into a thread because I think the topic pisses me off. Guaranteed, that will then become the best thread of the day.

 
Dirtball [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:45:09 PM  
bronyaur1: why not? Nobody HAS to go in there.

I wish more people would heed this advice.

 
dhambrick [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:45:11 PM  
Speaking of fat...

Is there going to be something done about the TF definition of fat?

People have to get a grip here

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:45:17 PM  
Dancin_In_Anson: I love Fark and have spent wasted over five years of my employers time here and have made a lot of friends (and enemies but that's irrelevant) and I rarely get into trouble that I know of. That being said, I really have a problem with a certain type of ban that gets handed out now and again. I don't know how prevalent it is but it's mere existence really bothers me.

And that's all I've got to say about that.


Email me about it, be happy to discuss it. (because I don't know offhand which one you're referencing)

 
at80eighty 2008-10-07 04:45:19 PM  
i just want the [Boobies] back :(

 
randomizetimer [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:45:24 PM  
As someone who might have had a timeout or two, I appreciate the explanation you gave, Drew. Sometimes we don't know where the line is unless you cross it first. But I am learning where the line is.

 
MissFeasance [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:45:36 PM  
vernterv: TheKnownUniverse: We need more trolls, alts, and whores.

♫Trolls, Alts and Whores♫


I heard this in my head to the tune of "God Save the Queen"

 
goeniegoegoe [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:45:40 PM  
Huskadoodle: Tell me Drew, did you guys create TFD to coral the crazies?

Not true. I am in there too.

 
ginger ninja 2008-10-07 04:45:40 PM  
daas_boot: *pokes head in.

lolz

 
sirgeoph 2008-10-07 04:45:44 PM  
Honestly, I think Fark's one of the better run communities I frequent. While I get the voting down of comments and what not, it's not as effective. However, not every community is as big and successful as Fark to where they can have moderators that do things so well.

That being said, how long until the Parody Thread appears?

 
Dread Pirate Slasher [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:45:49 PM  
aniktwo: Dread Pirate Slasher: goeniegoegoe: Has anyone seen aniktwo lately?

Who?

Well, you've hurt my feelings a little bit, but I also got a green arrow, so I'll let it slide.


You know we love you.

 
aniktwo 2008-10-07 04:46:05 PM  
at80eighty: i just want the [Boobies] back :(

I don't get it. Isn't that what foobies is?

 
AntiNorm [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:46:10 PM  
absoluteparanoia: Why doesn't Fark replace the removed comment box with an appeal box?

Because EVERYBODY who got banned would use it, which would create a nightmarish workload for the modmins.

 
skiptomyloop [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:46:14 PM  
basemetal: skiptomyloop: thepensivepoet: Who are all these people and why don't they have a tag next to their name?

I'M SCARED.

Bah ha ha ha ha ...Cough cough cough...damned cold.


;)
i288.photobucket.com

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:46:15 PM  
andyofne: My wife was very aggregating last night so I slapped her.

Did you have to take her to the hospitable?

 
The Icelander [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:46:15 PM  
Huskadoodle: Tell me Drew, did you guys create TFD to coral the crazies?

You know the VIP room at night clubs.

Yeah, that's TFD.

 
shtychkn 2008-10-07 04:46:20 PM  
GoGoGo: take issue with the concept of 'thread-jacking'

discussion is meant to be alive...
if people choose to respond to any post....let them.
if they dont, then fine.
people shouldnt have to justify a relation to a topic.
perhaps the idea or basis of the post was simply inspired by the 'topic' but is distant in terms of relevance.

big deal.
let the thread jackers jack


I Agree

 
Donald_McRonald 2008-10-07 04:46:21 PM  
I'll be hanging out in the thread for a bit but I'm doing 100 other things atm so some responses may be slow.

Gross.

 
Nick Nostril 2008-10-07 04:46:25 PM  
Four million members!?! Jeebus, how many lurkers are there?

 
dimoko [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:46:33 PM  
i65.photobucket.com

 
Weaver95 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:46:37 PM  
Drew: There's no appeal process once you've exhausted your last chance. This is true. Otherwise, an appeal is still in play.

Like I said earlier - for the most part, the moderator system works very well. It's just that when it goes off the rails, it does so in epic form and scope.

it's also pretty obvious when you've got someone new in the moderator pool. they tend to get heavy handed and thin skinned for a couple days. after that they mostly chill out.

 
IrishCanadian 2008-10-07 04:46:37 PM  
unremarkable asterisk: Bullet points, please.

1. You'll get over it.

On a serious note, I have no problems with the modmins :) I think they do a spectacular job!

Rabid Bunnies: Can we get this sticked in TFD for a while? I think there are a lot of people who don't often venture outside of there.

The ONLY reason I venture out from there is because the RSS feed has good headlines.

 
aniktwo 2008-10-07 04:46:40 PM  
Dread Pirate Slasher:
Well, you've hurt my feelings a little bit, but I also got a green arrow, so I'll let it slide.

You know we love you.


Wow, I should complain in threads more often. My self-esteem hasn't been this high in weeks. ;P

 
Dread Pirate Slasher [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:46:44 PM  
sirgeoph: how long until the Parody Thread appears?

I'm not gonna do it, I learned my lesson.

 
pwhp_67 2008-10-07 04:46:47 PM  
Shiat talking Mushrooms: you are so going to be first against the wall


HEAVY HANDED! HEAVY HANDED MODERATION!

 
CastorPimp 2008-10-07 04:46:48 PM  
Shadow Blasko: namegoeshere: Meh, it's fine the way it is.

Account Created 2007-09-11 20:27:00


Get off my lawn.


Account created: 2004-03-04 23:29:58

get off MY lawn.

 
Barakku [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:46:50 PM  
towatchoverme: aniktwo: I love trainwrecks.
I just hate it when a pretty girl shows up and all "tee hees" herself into a sponsorship. I know that's the way the world works, but I dunno... it makes me farking mad.

/not a pretty girl
//not a tee hee-er

That's why i like pelting them with sharp, hurtful, pointy words until they start wailing "why me? I'm PRETTY!"

Just plain fun, that.


Did I date you?

tweekster: I think there should be an exception to the Free Cat picture.

The free cat picture was SPECIFICALLY banned, I don't think there's much chance of that happening...

 
at80eighty 2008-10-07 04:46:56 PM  
Huskadoodle: Tell me Drew, did you guys create TFD to coral the crazies?

hey f*ck you dude

i just got a sloppy beej out of a crazy redhead coz of it

oh..right

 
ms. bigglesworth 2008-10-07 04:47:04 PM  
I would like to thank the mods for leaving me alone. I know in the beginning we didn't see eye to eye. But, through the years we have all grown to be a nice family. I haven't been banned in 3 years and it feels good. Y'all have to admit I am not as obnoxious as some of these recent awhores (they shall not be named) and I never was. So, you better thank your gdamn lucky stars that you have me.

can we erase my record????

 
Roman Fyseek [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:47:04 PM  
Am I the drunk?

This is all about me jacking the thread about disciplining children, isn't it.

Damnit.

And, it's not an ALT. My first login had my fairly unique last name in it and I didn't want to get stalked.

Damnit.

I'll bet I'm the drunk.

 
Rev.K [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:47:08 PM  
Help me out.

Moderating makes Fark:

[] Less like 4chan
[] More like 4chan

 
Huskadoodle [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:47:14 PM  
MalloreeH: i guess you've got to be a complete troll for most of that to concern you...

Ha! I knew you would get sponsored again;^)

 
Tin Foil Milliner [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:47:14 PM  
eyehate: POOP THREAD!!!

YAAAAAAAAY! FINALLY!



img49.imageshack.us

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:47:17 PM  
Barakku: AgentOrangeDrink: It's a house party with no cursing! Except for ass, asshole, bastard, fag, and any other completely arbitrarily decided upon words!

I wondered abut this: what's the point in the filter? I assume to keep it work safe or civil?


It's actually a huge joke on our end. It's a half assed attempt to incent people to explain themselves without those words. Then we threw in some arbitrary stuff. So it's pretty much a joke all around

 
OregonVet [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:47:25 PM  
So what does one need to do to become one of these mod guys? I've been on the wrong side enough times to get an idea what I may need to do and I'm on FARK like 24-7.

 
JackAssHole [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:47:30 PM  
Drew, any idea what's with the mods pruning specific posts from the TorD threads lately. Apparently when someone posts a pic, then later removes it, the mods come by at some point and delete the post. I've spoken to a couple that had this happen and their posts were still visible to with with a comment to the effect of "deleted due to missing linked image" or such. Don't the mods have better things to do than go and mess up the flow of a thread?

I've also found threads from LONG ago linked in people's profiles that come up missing. Could be a glitch in the matrix, could be lost data, or is there some effort to go back and weed out threads that were great fun but would now be over the limit?

Hardly big issues, but inquiring minds want to know...

 
Weaver95 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:47:39 PM  
Nick Nostril: Four million members!?! Jeebus, how many lurkers are there?

relax. half of them are Kitwilly alts.

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:47:39 PM  
TheDumbBlonde: I sent Jeff a cleavage shot years ago and got banned for 3 months!

Thats because you could see your belly button through the gap.

 
baked beans 2008-10-07 04:47:40 PM  
too little, too late

 
phallus 2008-10-07 04:47:41 PM  
this post was about me

 
derkaderkajihad 2008-10-07 04:47:43 PM  
hockeychick
All in all, I still love this place.

It's Drew's world, we're just living in it.


Agreed. I love fark.

 
Bob Ondeeznuts 2008-10-07 04:47:43 PM  
aniktwo: I don't get it. Isn't that what foobies is?

Clicking on foobies makes me feel like a pervert. Having it on the main page makes me feel a little more comfortable with my addiction.

 
pwhp_67 2008-10-07 04:48:06 PM  
goeniegoegoe: Not true. I am in there too.


Well saying Dutch and crazy is kind of repetitive...

 
lordargent 2008-10-07 04:48:09 PM  
Xystance: When a post or article is removed why not leave the person's name there and just have a comment about why it's removed? OR not even that, just a placeholder with the guy's name that says "removed".

I've been rather fond of what gawker media sites have been doing.

They 'disenvowel' a post. Basically remove all vowels from a post, thus making it nigh unreadable.

 
Ecobuckeye 2008-10-07 04:48:20 PM  
You said "ass FAQ".

 
at80eighty 2008-10-07 04:48:22 PM  
aniktwo: I don't get it. Isn't that what foobies is?

i was mostly kidding, much like most of my posts - that said the boobies threads back in the day were some of the funniest threads ever.

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:48:24 PM  
Weaver95: relax. half of them are Kitwilly alts.

You can only have a few (two or three I think) logins. There is no such thing as multiple alts.

 
Nocens [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:48:25 PM  
tweekster: Shadow Blasko: Even with the best tech, you get situations where you end up handling it mostly on an IP level.

I have a class C at my disposal so I am really getting a kick out of some of these replies.

But I do agree 100%, just ban the alts at the IP level if they are trolling and be done with it.



Fark does that, I believe.

No real problems with Fark per say other than an instance a few years ago where it was pretty obvious a mod was trolling with an alt account. And you ask, how would you possibly know?

Well, it doesn't take a genius when all responses to the trolling were deleted. The thread had like thirty posts in a row at the end from the troll after all the detractors who didn't agree (even civily despite some vicious attacks by the troll) had all their posts deleted and a couple of them I know possibly more were banned.

 
Cordwainer Deathbird [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:48:34 PM  
pwhp_67: HEAVY HANDED! HEAVY HANDED MODERATION!

COME AND SEE THE VIOLENCE INHERENT IN THE SYSTEM!

 
aniktwo 2008-10-07 04:48:35 PM  
Bob Ondeeznuts: aniktwo: I don't get it. Isn't that what foobies is?

Clicking on foobies makes me feel like a pervert. Having it on the main page makes me feel a little more comfortable with my addiction.


I don't understand what all that blue ribbon is for in your profile?

 
robsul82 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:48:37 PM  
OregonVet: So what does one need to do to become one of these mod guys? I've been on the wrong side enough times to get an idea what I may need to do and I'm on FARK like 24-7.

Well, I imagine the process is akin to how you get into Skull and Bones. Secret signals, coded messages, masturbating in a cage in front of everybody else while admitting your deepest secret, etc.

 
Bob Ondeeznuts 2008-10-07 04:48:48 PM  
Rev.K: Help me out.

Moderating makes Fark:

[] Less like 4chan
[] Moar like 4chan

 
Lt Shiny Sides 2008-10-07 04:48:52 PM  
aniktwo:

Wow, I should complain in threads more often. My self-esteem hasn't been this high in weeks. ;P


And you are...?

 
html_007 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:48:55 PM  
The Icelander: Huskadoodle: Tell me Drew, did you guys create TFD to coral the crazies?

You know the VIP room at night clubs.

Yeah, that's TFD.


What smelly?

/jk

 
TheDumbBlonde [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:48:56 PM  
Tin Foil Milliner: eyehate: POOP THREAD!!!


YAAAAAAAAY! FINALLY!


LARRY!!!!!

 
naturalselection 2008-10-07 04:48:56 PM  
One F Jef:
Admin Rules:

Greenlight articles which contain the following:
Lies about democrats.
Lies about liberalism.
Slander against democrats.


Are you kidding? I think this place is an Obama lovefest!

 
AtomicPenguin 2008-10-07 04:48:59 PM  
lemortede: I miss the old Fark.
Trolls and all.
Now everything is modded.
People are not as open or free with what they say.
Most of all I miss the Boobie threads.


I agree with all of that.

If Fark is a house party, new Fark is the one after the good party got raided by the cops. Everybody is still there, but they still look back at the old party and talk about how awesome it was knowing it'll never be like that again.

 
Der Poopflinger 2008-10-07 04:49:07 PM  
Drew's house err I mean website, Drew's rules.
Hey Drew thanks for putting up with my crap, letting me hang out, and not giving me a lifetime ban
/I thought you TF elitists where going to go chat in the corn room

 
Weaver95 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:49:09 PM  
Drew:
It's actually a huge joke on our end. It's a half assed attempt to incent people to explain themselves without those words. Then we threw in some arbitrary stuff. So it's pretty much a joke all around


Heh. I blatantly stole the idea for some of the gamer forums I moderate. Nobody's hit the 'rutabega' filter yet though.

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:49:10 PM  
YouWinAgainGravity: Do you have any kinds of "shifts" for moderators or people that handle Farkbacks, or is it all on a volunteer basis? I realize you guys probably get very busy with the queue at times, and I'm sure there are people that abuse the feedback options that are available, but it would be nice to know what kind of turnaround time there is when we click the Notify Admins or Moderators link, or send a farkback.

It's all volunteer. Turnaround can take 2-3 days or more depending. If a feedback mod has a personal medical emergency or the like everything grinds to a halt. Not saying that's a good thing, but that's what happens

 
aniktwo 2008-10-07 04:49:10 PM  
at80eighty: aniktwo: I don't get it. Isn't that what foobies is?

i was mostly kidding, much like most of my posts - that said the boobies threads back in the day were some of the funniest threads ever.



Your jokes aren't funny :(

 
Clorox Man 2008-10-07 04:49:10 PM  
Drew: Barakku: AgentOrangeDrink: It's a house party with no cursing! Except for ass, asshole, bastard, fag, and any other completely arbitrarily decided upon words!

I wondered abut this: what's the point in the filter? I assume to keep it work safe or civil?

It's actually a huge joke on our end. It's a half assed attempt to incent people to explain themselves without those words. Then we threw in some arbitrary stuff. So it's pretty much a joke all around


Keep. Sidenote: I also like the fact that I can browse this site from work without having to worry about fire-worthy stuff.

 
farc 2008-10-07 04:49:18 PM  
what's an alt?

 
Fecacacophany 2008-10-07 04:49:24 PM  
Smellvin: I only have one suggestion: BRING BACK THE BOOBIES

/Also, please stop killing poop threads.
//If users don't like them, then they can avoid them themselves.


Second on the poop threads.
Some of us work with it.

/ poop

 
Shiat talking Mushrooms 2008-10-07 04:49:32 PM  
pwhp_67:


HEAVY HANDED! HEAVY HANDED MODERATION!


HERE IN GOOOOLAG NO ONE HEER YOO SCREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEM, COMRADE PWHIP! HA HA HA

 
IdBeCrazyIf 2008-10-07 04:49:40 PM  
randomizetimer: As someone who might have had a timeout or two, I appreciate the explanation you gave, Drew. Sometimes we don't know where the line is unless you cross it first. But I am learning where the line is.

I don't think in the 4 odd years I've been here and the COUNTLESS times I've gotten a timeout I could ever tell you where the line is.

I mean.. I've been boosted for posting the ORRY owl in an asian thread, and then the next thread up someone gets by by posting the NGA WHAT owl in a black thread. I think thats what ticks some of us off the most, is the irregularity of some of the piddly shiat that gets handed down.

Its interesting to know now though that you guys do keep a running tab, and a noflylist more or less for some of us crazies.

 
Boltthrower 2008-10-07 04:49:47 PM  
You'll get over it.

 
Dread Pirate Slasher [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:49:59 PM  
Rev.K: Help me out.

Moderating makes Fark:

[] Less like 4chan
[] More like 4chan



I've been banned 3 times on 4chan, so Fark has some catching up to do.


/pls don't ban me

 
FarkinHostile 2008-10-07 04:50:01 PM  
battl_web17



I'll do the Kid n Play dance but I am not, under an circumstances, growing a high top fade like that again. You understand?


But it looked so good on you:

img.photobucket.com


You were always a trend setter, battl_web17 .

 
aniktwo 2008-10-07 04:50:03 PM  
Lt Shiny Sides: aniktwo:

Wow, I should complain in threads more often. My self-esteem hasn't been this high in weeks. ;P

And you are...?


I know you're just pumping up my self esteem even more by saying that. *hugs*

 
pwhp_67 2008-10-07 04:50:04 PM  
Drew: Then we threw in some arbitrary stuff. So it's pretty much a joke all around


Ohhhhhh. I always wondered why a site that had an adult section and whatnot would filter words...

 
El Farquistador 2008-10-07 04:50:05 PM  
Drew: It's actually a huge joke on our end. It's a half assed attempt to incent people to explain themselves without those words. Then we threw in some arbitrary stuff. So it's pretty much a joke all around

I agree that it's funny. I learned about it in my Weeners ever.

 
Bob Ondeeznuts 2008-10-07 04:50:06 PM  
aniktwo: I don't understand what all that blue ribbon is for in your profile?

Friend's wedding, it was their color.....

 
basemetal [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:50:09 PM  
phallus: this post was about me

What happened? You lost your tag. :(

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:50:09 PM  
Philip J. Fry: Are there posts we may have been tagged for making, but not notified or punished for? If I've crossed a line and the moderators are noting it and it eventually gets me in a trouble I'd rather just avoid it from the start.

Like some sort of infraction log like:
9/11/2008 - "Philip J. Fry sacrificed a puppy!"
10/1/2008 - "Philip J. Fry sacrificed another three puppies. Two more and he gets a timeout."
10/7/2008 - "Philip J. Fry, What's this kid's problem with puppies? 1 Month Ban."

That's something I'd like to know sooner rather than later.


Only in cases where we think a particular login is the alt of someone already banned. Otherwise for the most part no

 
hockeyfarker 2008-10-07 04:50:11 PM  
Solid State Vittles once killed a man by choking him with his own children's intestines. That man's infraction? Referring to a carbonated beverage as "soda" instead of pop

 
towatchoverme 2008-10-07 04:50:15 PM  
aniktwo: I agree, but then I get called fat and I get all hurt and I retreat into my cave again. I'm glad you're there to be mean though.

I don't believe you're fat. If you were fat you wouldn't live in a cave. Fat people live in trailers and social housing.

In all cerealness ... half the AWs are dudes just trolling for sponsorships anyway.

Of the other AWs, some have it down to a frigging art form (i especially love the "Pollyanna Troll" routine) which you can't help admire.

The truly shallow and insecure AWs usually leave after being roundly mocked, doubtless telling all their friends what meanies we all are.

 
Barakku [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:50:17 PM  
Dread Pirate Slasher: sirgeoph: how long until the Parody Thread appears?

I'm not gonna do it, I learned my lesson.


Same :(.

dimoko: i65.photobucket.com

Where's the image about posting totally random stupid questions and possible lack of DIT?

/I used my account to ask if everyone thought different color M&Ms taste different
//The blue and green ones are better, dammit

 
2sense 2008-10-07 04:50:17 PM  
I would have sex with anyone in this thread.


just sayin..

 
darkhorse23 [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:50:19 PM  
Barnacles!: and maybe one day a month, there will be a pre-planned Poop Mega-thread.

Maybe one day a month, I"ll unleash every Barnacles! pic that I have in one megathread.

If Turbofark can stand it, that is.

 
Mirkwood23 2008-10-07 04:50:19 PM  
Drew

Maybe I have changed, maybe Fark has changed.
I am still a totalfark, but hardly spend time there anymore. It seems to get very pg-13 for me and I can hardly remember being 13.

I think some of the changes have had bigger effects that are hard to measure of notice. But here is something that I see that have changed since thighter moderation. Maybe it is coincidence like pirates and global warming. A quick example is that the photoshop threads are less quality then they used to be. Maybe good photoshoppers like boobie threads.

I hate it that the best threads just dissappear because of too many pictures or another reason. Archive them somewhere on total fark or so in a "(ass)hole of fark" forum or so. Often they are legendary threads. That may convince me to keep paying the fiver.

I think peope should understand that a thread with the word boobies or NSFW (trademark) actually is probably not safe for work and should stay away from it. I am not asking for foobies. People can just type foobies.com and go from there. But the moderation seems somewhat overkill at the moment with every thread that I enjoyed because of lively discussions disappearing.

I don't care about threadjacks. Unless the same person tries to do it a 100 times in the same post or different posts, then yeah it is annoying, but otherwise, geeh it just adds to the fun. The world needs idiots that spam, just not too many :)

That's it for now. Just as a reward for anybody that is still readies.. Boobies...

 
hdhale 2008-10-07 04:50:29 PM  
The only time I ever remember having serious issues with Moderation over the years it was in the Photoshop threads. It's been a long time since I submitted anything there and to be honest I doubt that I will again--not so much because of the issues I had with Moderation at the time, though to this day I believe I was right--but simply because I don't have the time anymore.

Fark is like old favorite hangout that I still drop in on from time to time. Glad to see it's still operational and hope it will remain so for years to come.

 
techbuzz 2008-10-07 04:50:41 PM  
Drew: Would like to see your thoughts on the old-Fark / new-Fark issue (not the design change, I got over that). Personally I preferred the laidbackness of old-Fark. I think the discussions were better and seemed more true to the type of party I enjoy. A biatchaotic and anarchic and allowed for a free discussion that would grow and cross several related topics.

I've never seen threadjacking as that big of a problem. With new-Fark it seems that any related discussion, especially political gets deleted. An example would be a school shooting thread that includes gun control arguments. I think that is thread relevant and interesting and in old-Fark I enjoyed the (heated) discussion. There was always the small group of farkers who would boo-hoo such talk, usually along the lines of 'this thread is about being sad for the victims who were shot, not to talk about guns'. It now seems like Fark moderation caters to this group. Any political tending arguments that come out of a related discussion get no-no'ed.

Perhaps it's just a difference in the definition of threadjacking. And it's your party so you get to define that. But it seems like that definition has evolved to be more strict. And perhaps this is a necessity since old-Fark was a smaller community with only X% being bad apples... with bigger community I can see how things might need to change to deal with that same, but much much larger X%.

As for a Dark-Fark, I think your analogy is wrong. Ideally this would be a much smaller community and gain back to that old-Fark style (maybe I'm describing a TF side w/o moderation). Think of it as the basement to your house party, but you have to be brought by an already trusted friend, and donate some... alcohol, just to get in.

Thanks for the post and clarifications.

/and with old-Fark the images in threads were MUCH better
//and boobies hit the main page
///and and and...

 
aniktwo 2008-10-07 04:50:43 PM  
Clorox Man: Drew: Barakku: AgentOrangeDrink: It's a house party with no cursing! Except for ass, asshole, bastard, fag, and any other completely arbitrarily decided upon words!

I wondered abut this: what's the point in the filter? I assume to keep it work safe or civil?

It's actually a huge joke on our end. It's a half assed attempt to incent people to explain themselves without those words. Then we threw in some arbitrary stuff. So it's pretty much a joke all around

Keep. Sidenote: I also like the fact that I can browse this site from work without having to worry about fire-worthy stuff.


I agree. I don't worry about profanity too much on my work computer, but it always helps a bit that it's edited.

 
TheDumbBlonde [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:50:45 PM  
frenchcheesemuseum: TheDumbBlonde: I sent Jeff a cleavage shot years ago and got banned for 3 months!

Thats because you could see your belly button through the gap.


I've had a boob job since then!!!

 
NittLion78 2008-10-07 04:50:50 PM  
look, just promise me there will never be a Drew version of Re-Neducation and I'll call it a draw

img230.imageshack.us

 
darkhorse23 [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:50:57 PM  
Huskadoodle: Tell me Drew, did you guys create TFD to coral the crazies?

Yeah, nice to say now that your TF tag is gone.

//coral?

 
sokeri 2008-10-07 04:51:02 PM  
Drew, please re-read the FArQ:

Ban talk: Temporary and/or permanent actions taken by Fark on individual Fark accounts are between the user and Fark and should never be discussed in threads. Ban talk inevitably leads to misinformation and misunderstandings. If you have a question regarding actions taken on your account, contact Farkback. Please note that just as Fark Moderators/Admins will not discuss actions taken on other users' accounts, neither should you discuss (on site or in Farkback) actions taken on other Farker's accounts. Simply put: If it is not your account, it is not your business. This includes without limitation: discussing banned Farkers, campaigning for the reinstatement of banned Farkers, posting on behalf of banned Farkers, submitting links regarding bans or banned Farkers, or discussing other user's accounts in threads. Again: don't discuss bans, banned Farkers, moderation, Moderators, Admins or anything else related to moderation in the threads.

 
Udontknowme 2008-10-07 04:51:05 PM  
One F Jef
make democrats and liberals look like idiots shall be greenlit.

Those articles are too abundant and far too easy to find. Fark mods are much more selective.

And didn't several people mention earlier how annoying political trolls were when they show up in non political threads.

Everyone....may I introduce Annoying Political Troll #1 One F Jef

 
at80eighty 2008-10-07 04:51:07 PM  
i received a resume from a guy called Gaymart yesterday

dude if youre lurking in this thread - WTF were your parents thinking??

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:51:11 PM  
IdahoPrime: The days of Fark being awesome are long gone, sorry.

You've only been here for less than one year.

 
mesohorny 2008-10-07 04:51:14 PM  
img73.imageshack.us
[muttering]

 
aniktwo 2008-10-07 04:51:18 PM  
Bob Ondeeznuts: aniktwo: I don't understand what all that blue ribbon is for in your profile?

Friend's wedding, it was their color.....


I really like ribbons I just can't figure out what it's doing...

 
real shaman [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:51:22 PM  
I agree.....

too little, too late.

I let my TF account go (actually 8 TF accounts total) simply because of erratic application of unwritten rules.

 
randomizetimer [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:51:29 PM  
Drew, Can TFers get a ignore the liters button?

 
RubyRed [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:51:33 PM  
at80eighty: hey f*ck you dude

i just got a sloppy beej out of a crazy redhead coz of it

oh..right


I prefer "eccentric".

 
absoluteparanoia 2008-10-07 04:51:38 PM  
Drew: There's no appeal process once you've exhausted your last chance. This is true. Otherwise, an appeal is still in play.

FTFY

 
Barnacles! [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:51:49 PM  
darkhorse23: Barnacles!: and maybe one day a month, there will be a pre-planned Poop Mega-thread.

Maybe one day a month, I"ll unleash every Barnacles! pic that I have in one megathread.

If Turbofark can stand it, that is.


LOL

 
IdBeCrazyIf 2008-10-07 04:51:51 PM  
Weaver95: relax. half of them are Kitwilly alts.

Not true.. I'm a McFease alt

 
Dull Cow Eyes 2008-10-07 04:51:56 PM  
When the FARK servers fail, that's really just the mods taking a timeout from the pain, isn't it? Like when mommy and daddy used to drop me off in the woods for a few days. Camping, yay!


/kidding

 
kingflower 2008-10-07 04:52:05 PM  
This thread is a trap!!!

 
Dor Jammer 2008-10-07 04:52:07 PM  
at least he didn't shoot the dog

/

 
at80eighty 2008-10-07 04:52:10 PM  
farc: what's an alt?

a real shame man

 
bobbette 2008-10-07 04:52:18 PM  
Dread Pirate Slasher: Rev.K: Help me out.

Moderating makes Fark:

[] Less like 4chan
[] More like 4chan


I've been banned 3 times on 4chan, so Fark has some catching up to do.


/pls don't ban me


Dude, what the heck were you posting to get banned on 4CHAN?

The allowed stuff on 4chan makes my mind hurt and ensures that I run away from there after ~10 seconds. And then I have to take a shower and weep for humanity.

 
Cordwainer Deathbird [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:52:18 PM  
Weaver95: Heh. I blatantly stole the idea for some of the gamer forums I moderate. Nobody's hit the 'rutabega' filter yet though.

Hahahahahaha, awesome! :)

 
Dread Pirate Slasher [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:52:20 PM  
randomizetimer: Drew, Can TFers get a ignore the liters button?

It's called TFD

 
Barnacles! [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:52:24 PM  
img291.imageshack.us

 
phallus 2008-10-07 04:52:27 PM  
basemetal: phallus: this post was about me

What happened? You lost your tag. :(


it just expired. i will pay $5 when i am not mad at being banned from submitting threads for a month, even though I deserved it... hehehe

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:52:30 PM  
Drew: great example of what I'm talking about - when we're wrong, we back it out.

I can agree with this. I made a honest mistake in a thread once and fark backed with apologies and my reasoning and they changed their minds.

I think farkback has always been fair to me.

 
dhambrick [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:52:42 PM  
Okay,

So why am I getting page lists at the bottom, then on the next refresh, none?

Drew
, what is happening?

 
El Farquistador 2008-10-07 04:52:49 PM  
real shaman: I let my TF account go (actually 8 TF accounts total) simply because of erratic application of unwritten rules.

That's too bad. I miss you around TFD.

 
Mirrorz 2008-10-07 04:53:00 PM  
thepensivepoet:
The mixer software crashed, iTunes SAVED the party.

PS - You're fat and ugly.


Pfffft. That party was dead from the start.
Your mom goes to college.

This is all you need to say to sponsor me, people:
www.jamphat.com

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:53:05 PM  
lordargent: /had to be done

Ola Ola Aye

 
hubiestubert [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:53:15 PM  
I have mentioned it before, but communication is a large factor. There are plenty of folks who don't know why they've been banned. You have eluded to response and acknowledgment, but that is not always the case.

The internal structure for graduating response is fine, but sharing it with folks might be more constructive. As well as actually returning mail on the subject. That alone makes some cases touchy. Folks who have no idea why they've been banned, and then can't get a response from the Mods. That lack of communication and transparency is part of what makes some folks a bit antsy.

And let's face it: some folks get away with a LOT. A lot of things that get others booted. Without naming names, there are folks who've been banned, and returned, who have broken the FarQ daily, and nothing is said.

Mods can't be everywhere, all the time, but we can ask that standards be applied fairly. And they simply aren't. We all have our favorite posters, we all have friends on the site, but Mods really need to put some things aside and try to apply things evenly.

Consistency, transparency, and responses would help ease a lot of butt hurt. I understand that there are a lot of folks on the site, but there are cases where folks have gone months without response. And let's not even get into Shadowbanning.

You want folks to treat the party with some respect, then in return, we'd like a bit as well. Especially if we're paying for it.

Make it perfectly clear when, why, and how a ban came up. SA certainly makes the reasoning transparent. And who did it. A warning before a perma-ban comes up might not be a bad thing either. That goes with the transparency issue--because as it stands now, there isn't so much. Especially with the lag time between Mods responding, if they ever do.

If that's an internal issue, that Admins prefer to handle the issue, then that needs to clearer. Folks wind up popping mail to Drew's box, because no one else responds. A lot of the resentment that gets built up on the ban-hammer, and worse attitudes about it comes from that lack of communication.

If it's worth the ban, then it's worth typing out a note--we certainly have the mechanism in place to flag folks the next time they post or refresh a page, since we get our notices about our birthdays, that we've sponsored or been sponsored. Quote the post that triggered the ban, and the thread, and the reason. And possibly even the next step that will take place afterwards. That, and someone actually answering mail about the bans would alleviate a lot of the resentment--because it's the long periods with no response that gets folks knickers in a twist.

 
Shiat talking Mushrooms 2008-10-07 04:53:18 PM  
hey, farkin hostile is still alive. alright! he's definitely going to be part of my unit.

sokeri: Drew, please re-read the FArQ:

Ban talk: Temporary and/or permanent actions taken by Fark on individual Fark accounts are between the user and Fark and should never be discussed in threads. Ban talk inevitably leads to misinformation and misunderstandings. If you have a question regarding actions taken on your account, contact Farkback. Please note that just as Fark Moderators/Admins will not discuss actions taken on other users' accounts, neither should you discuss (on site or in Farkback) actions taken on other Farker's accounts. Simply put: If it is not your account, it is not your business. This includes without limitation: discussing banned Farkers, campaigning for the reinstatement of banned Farkers, posting on behalf of banned Farkers, submitting links regarding bans or banned Farkers, or discussing other user's accounts in threads. Again: don't discuss bans, banned Farkers, moderation, Moderators, Admins or anything else related to moderation in the threads.


drew, give me the green light to go on this one. my man has her in the crosshairs. you give us the go ahead and the wall behind her blends in with picasso's red period works

 
Weaver95 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:53:20 PM  
Drew: Only in cases where we think a particular login is the alt of someone already banned. Otherwise for the most part no

one thing we've seen kicked around on the Politics tab is that there MIGHT be a couple paid campaign operatives floating around with a couple alts who show up to f*ck with news story threads. There does seem to be a rise in obvious talking point trollery around major campaign events. we've even caught 'one shot' alts showing up to dump campaign memos straight from freeperland right into Fark, then they cut and run.

I don't know if you could even TRY to stop shiat like that.

 
Barakku [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:53:23 PM  
Drew: Barakku: AgentOrangeDrink: It's a house party with no cursing! Except for ass, asshole, bastard, fag, and any other completely arbitrarily decided upon words!

I wondered abut this: what's the point in the filter? I assume to keep it work safe or civil?

It's actually a huge joke on our end. It's a half assed attempt to incent people to explain themselves without those words. Then we threw in some arbitrary stuff. So it's pretty much a joke all around


I kinda like it: I LOVED april fools this year, I actually read trolling threads because of it.

/PS you scared the farking shiat out of me with the pages all the sudden...

 
at80eighty 2008-10-07 04:53:34 PM  
aniktwo: Your jokes aren't funny :(

you should hang out on something more of your level like digg then

 
Cordwainer Deathbird [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:53:34 PM  
sokeri: Drew, please re-read the FArQ:

Brilliant. :)

 
Dread Pirate Slasher [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:53:43 PM  
bobbette: Dread Pirate Slasher: Rev.K: Help me out.

Moderating makes Fark:

[] Less like 4chan
[] More like 4chan


I've been banned 3 times on 4chan, so Fark has some catching up to do.


/pls don't ban me

Dude, what the heck were you posting to get banned on 4CHAN?

The allowed stuff on 4chan makes my mind hurt and ensures that I run away from there after ~10 seconds. And then I have to take a shower and weep for humanity.



I got one for posting a "prove me wrong" thread, one for a "posting ending in _" and the third one was just random. I think Moot likes farking with random people.

 
Huskadoodle [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:53:44 PM  
goeniegoegoe: Huskadoodle: Tell me Drew, did you guys create TFD to coral the crazies?

Not true. I am in there too.


I spent most of time there as well.

 
spidermann [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:53:45 PM  
I never see Moderator comments anymore. Must be on the ignore list. ;)

(yeah, I know what I did)

Nonetheless, I do enjoy Fark and TotalFark when I can afford it. My PayPal got screwy this last month and while Fark still has $3 of mine, I don't have the other $2 to send.

Otherwise, Drew, about the only thing I would like to see changed from my time in TF (maybe not changed, but more moderated) is the almost always vicious attacks on people. These generally happen in "AM I GOING TO DIE?" threads, where a person asks for possible medical help.

Most Tfers realize that they are not going to get a real doctor or any such thing on Tf. They just want some human input. I have seen many a thread like this quickly spiral down into calling the submitter everything but human.

I realize not long ago there was a TF 2.0 post, about being nicer in general, but it seems to be lacking these days in certain threads. It would appear overall many people are doing what they can in most threads, but as mentioned above certain threads just devolve into crap. The above is just an example of what can and does happen.

I am not saying that some people don't have to man up, as they do. This world is full of whiney bastards who need to grow up and deal, but some of the comments just go too far and nothing if anything is rarely done.

/all from pov
//my pov

 
OscarTamerz 2008-10-07 04:53:46 PM  
How about free HD 1080p video links in foobies? If I had something that is worth what this thing is allegedly worth and made what you allegedly make I'd tell the whiners to fark off and run it however I needed to to keep on that hyperbolic curve. Which is what you just did but probably far too nicely to effectively communicate that to those to whom it would apply.

P.S. So Oprah's girl friend could really kill you with her bare hands? Any obvious wuxi training or is she more the MMA type?

 
Noexit 2008-10-07 04:53:48 PM  
Don't go changing, to try and please me
You never let me down before
Don't imagine you're too familiar
And I don't see you anymore
I wouldn't leave you in times of trouble
We never could have come this far
I took the good times, I'll take the bad times
I'll take you just the way you are

Don't go trying some new fashion
Don't change the color of your hair
You always have my unspoken passion
Although I might not seem to care

I don't want clever conversation
I never want to work that hard
I just want someone that I can talk to
I want you just the way you are.

I need to know that you will always be
The same old someone that I knew
What will it take till you believe in me
The way that I believe in you.

I said I love you and that's forever
And this I promise from the heart
I could not love you any better
I love you just the way you are.

--Billy Joel

 
Improper Usage 2008-10-07 04:53:57 PM  
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Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:53:59 PM  
whereisian: Drew: The core problem with politics is it's about winning, as opposed to being right.

I disagree. There are plenty of liberal and conservative farkers that try and make their points and discuss, joke and lulz. Right now, more than ever, honest political discussion should be encouraged and not just turned into a football game. I think farkers deserve more credit or you are more cynical than you admit.



I would agree that we probably have more of what you describe than most places. All in all moderating politics threads is immensely difficult and doing it 100% right would take more resources than we have available

 
Dancin_In_Anson [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:54:06 PM  
Drew: Email me about it, be happy to discuss it.

Will do. I'll wait for the flood that no doubt resulted from this thread to subside if that's ok.

 
mitchcumpstein 2008-10-07 04:54:08 PM  
I thought this was a dating site for Philipino tranny's? No?

 
Owangotang 2008-10-07 04:54:09 PM  
I, for one, like knowing that a site will never be allowed to fully descend to the true depths of the internet. There are enough sites for that.

 
Party Boy [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:54:09 PM  
*Control F [Image Hosting]*

Ok, since I see one one asked this..

Is there a preferred or recommended site to host pictures from? All to frequently, I've put up image shack pics on here to have them deleted when the link was not broken.

Thanks.

 
PYROY 2008-10-07 04:54:11 PM  
skiptomyloop: basemetal: skiptomyloop: thepensivepoet: Who are all these people and why don't they have a tag next to their name?

I'M SCARED.

Bah ha ha ha ha ...Cough cough cough...damned cold.

;)


Yeah, but you're still gay...and a rapist.

 
punto 2008-10-07 04:54:12 PM  
DICKBUTT

 
Ktonos 2008-10-07 04:54:12 PM  
I asked this elsewhere, but maybe this is the better forum to ask:

Trolls/alts - I don't get it. Why would anyone say crap here just to incite anger/rage? What do you get out of trolling? Are you doing it for fun? Personal gain? Some other ulterior motive? Is someone paying you to threadshiat? Do you hope people will be swayed to vote for your guy/party using such incendiary language? Does trolling make you feel superior? More macho? What is the appeal? Please help me to understand.

 
aniktwo 2008-10-07 04:54:23 PM  
at80eighty: aniktwo: Your jokes aren't funny :(

you should hang out on something more of your level like digg then



I was only teasing.

 
BArtusio 2008-10-07 04:54:34 PM  
What about self-moderation?
If fark users were given the ability to delete their own posts, users could retract posts they later find inappropriate.

 
absoluteparanoia 2008-10-07 04:54:36 PM  
AntiNorm: Because EVERYBODY who got banned would use it, which would create a nightmarish workload for the modmins.

That's not true. Most other website say "it's a three day ban and you may not appeal". But if its for, say, 10 days... then you have the option.

Drew lost money from me when you decided that it was better to leave my ban in place during my last two weeks as a TFer than to answer me and receive a repeat customer.

I won't get into the details of the ban--but it was completely f*cking absurd.

It's just bad moderating and admining, and Drew is aware of it. He doesn't care.

 
EsteeFlwrPot [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:54:50 PM  
are we really doing this page thing with threads now? it's so annoying.

/I know, wheres my whaaaaambulance.

 
Dread Pirate Slasher [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:55:08 PM  
Weaver95: Drew: Only in cases where we think a particular login is the alt of someone already banned. Otherwise for the most part no

one thing we've seen kicked around on the Politics tab is that there MIGHT be a couple paid campaign operatives floating around with a couple alts who show up to f*ck with news story threads. There does seem to be a rise in obvious talking point trollery around major campaign events. we've even caught 'one shot' alts showing up to dump campaign memos straight from freeperland right into Fark, then they cut and run.

I don't know if you could even TRY to stop shiat like that.



That would be Democrats, then. ;)

 
nevirus 2008-10-07 04:55:12 PM  
I've never been a TFer, but I believe there is both positive AND negative voting on headlines.

I would suggest a ranking system for submitters based on the positive/negative votes their headlines get. That way, people constantly earning negative votes by submitting blatantly false headlines can be revealed, if only to the moderators.

Then again, people probably vote based on the message of the headline or the link's contents moreso than the accuracy of the headline itself, but it's just food for thought.

 
palladiate's hair 2008-10-07 04:55:30 PM  
frenchcheesemuseum: Drew: great example of what I'm talking about - when we're wrong, we back it out.

I can agree with this. I made a honest mistake in a thread once and fark backed with apologies and my reasoning and they changed their minds.

I think farkback has always been fair to me.


My one run in was reversed when I asked what I had done wrong so I wouldn't do it again. Response time was a couple of hours, and I got an apology for over-zealous moderation. I totally didn't expect it, I just wanted to stay civil.

It's probably the most fair moderation I've come across. No groupthink like Digg or Slashdot, no eye-jabbing filth of other, less-savory destinations.

Oh God, I was just sucking up, wasn't I?

 
Astra 2008-10-07 04:55:32 PM  
Cool to see this stuff addressed out in the open. I think threads like this are a good idea, especially with a crowd as large as Fark's. I know from experience the moderation gig sucks balls sometimes. No matter how hard you try, you're a pushover to part of the community and a jackbooted thug to another part.

I've never been on the receiving end of a ban, so I can't speak to my experience there. The only thing I've noticed is that it does seem like there are certain times of day where mods and admins aren't around much (or perhaps just make themselves less known).

 
Pale_Green_Pants_With_Nobody_Inside_Them 2008-10-07 04:55:33 PM  
So, you guys solve it yet?

The place is broke, and it ain't gonna change.

 
el_dudarino [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:55:52 PM  
absoluteparanoia: Drew: There's no appeal process once you've exhausted your last chance. This is true. Otherwise, an appeal is still in play.

FTFY


Agreed. I've written farkback, pointing out obvious flaws in logic and citing other similar threads that are still standing. And I have received back "Thank you very much, that sucks, now STFU and enjoy the rest of your ban"

Not in so many words, but that was the basic gist

 
dimoko [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:55:56 PM  
Drew: whereisian: Drew: The core problem with politics is it's about winning, as opposed to being right.

I disagree. There are plenty of liberal and conservative farkers that try and make their points and discuss, joke and lulz. Right now, more than ever, honest political discussion should be encouraged and not just turned into a football game. I think farkers deserve more credit or you are more cynical than you admit.


I would agree that we probably have more of what you describe than most places. All in all moderating politics threads is immensely difficult and doing it 100% right would take more resources than we have available


i agree, and i don't think you have a moral obligation to do that. fark has a politics tab, but it does not claim to be the beacon of all political discussion. its just a bunch of nerds.

 
Senor Awesome 2008-10-07 04:55:57 PM  
I think the moderation is much better now than it was. I used to Fark back in '93-'94 (under a far different handle) and the banhammer came down with vigor and without justice.

Nowadays, except for the odd warning or two, I don't see much evidence of the mods at work and it's better that way. They should be there but shouldn't be seen unless somethings really wrong, and then they correct that wrong consistently.

Maybe people are just better behaved in the forums now than back then, I don't know.

 
Barnacles! [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:56:03 PM  
Pale_Green_Pants_With_Nobody_Inside_Them: So, you guys solve it yet?

Hai PGPWNIT!!

 
Weaver95 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:56:06 PM  
Drew: I would agree that we probably have more of what you describe than most places. All in all moderating politics threads is immensely difficult and doing it 100% right would take more resources than we have available

Actually, I think you've managed to do an OUTSTANDING job moderating the politics threads. And I should know, I practically live there.

election night is gonna blow for whomever gets mod duty. You might want to give them an extra beer ration.

 
idsfa 2008-10-07 04:56:11 PM  
img145.imageshack.us

Also,

img222.imageshack.us

 
doyner [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:56:12 PM  
Weaver95: y'know, another thing that is REALLY gonna suck for moderators is election night. Actually, the entire week prior to election night is probably going to be pretty bad. alts, trolls, and all sorts of unintential asshattery will abound. For my part, I plan on watching more than commenting during that week...but God help whomever gets stuck watching the politics tab that month!

Those "real-time" discussion threads (like debate threads) are just too goddamned ungainly to tolerate. I can't imagine what it'll be like Nov. 4.

Meh.

 
baked beans 2008-10-07 04:56:14 PM  
at80eighty: farc: what's an alt?

a real shame man


almost funny......

 
robsul82 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:56:17 PM  
I swear the "Total" in the new TotalFark heading is getting blacker over time...

 
GregoryD 2008-10-07 04:56:21 PM  
Weaver95: Heh. I blatantly stole the idea for some of the gamer forums I moderate. Nobody's hit the 'rutabega' filter yet though.

Fark stole...errr borrowed it from a MUD. 3 Kingdoms (Drew was a admin) replaced curse words with the equivalent and it was definitely borrowed from that.

 
aniktwo 2008-10-07 04:56:25 PM  
palladiate's hair: frenchcheesemuseum: Drew: great example of what I'm talking about - when we're wrong, we back it out.

I can agree with this. I made a honest mistake in a thread once and fark backed with apologies and my reasoning and they changed their minds.

I think farkback has always been fair to me.

My one run in was reversed when I asked what I had done wrong so I wouldn't do it again. Response time was a couple of hours, and I got an apology for over-zealous moderation. I totally didn't expect it, I just wanted to stay civil.

It's probably the most fair moderation I've come across. No groupthink like Digg or Slashdot, no eye-jabbing filth of other, less-savory destinations.

Oh God, I was just sucking up, wasn't I?



Where is your wearer? I haven't seen him on here for awhile!

 
towatchoverme 2008-10-07 04:56:32 PM  
Weaver95: one thing we've seen kicked around on the Politics tab is that there MIGHT are definately a couple paid campaign operatives floating around with a couple alts who show up to f*ck with news story threads.

Abolutely. Without a DOUBT. Also true in certain contentious science threads.

let them stay, and be shredded.

 
CastorPimp 2008-10-07 04:56:36 PM  
Drew - can we get a multiquote button? it is the norm for most forums nowadays.

Also a ban count in the profile would help, as I have lost count.

 
Solid State Vittles [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:56:38 PM  
hockeyfarker: Solid State Vittles once killed a man by choking him with his own children's intestines. That man's infraction? Referring to a carbonated beverage as "soda" instead of pop

Not true. He also made eye contact with me. Big mistake. HUGE.

 
mafromhell [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:56:44 PM  
Drew I personally enjoy having moderators at your house party. I have read a few TFDiscussions that can get off track rather quickly (sometimes disturbingly so) and am always impressed with the speed of the Mods to pull "offensive" material (I place in quotes as this is a subjective term but in my opinion is comprised mainly of locker room talk and not necessary for a 'news aggregate' site.)

Keep up the good work!

/I enjoyed the real life Fark party more, however (probably because of the alcohol consumption)

 
Whodat? 2008-10-07 04:56:48 PM  
Please, please stop greenlighting flamebait headlines. Most of what makes Fark suck occurs in these threads.

It's may be a houseparty, totally get that, but when the host is giving out free shots of 151 he can't be pissed when some holes get punched in his walls.

 
SporaticVoracity 2008-10-07 04:57:12 PM  
Drew

What's the deal with moderators randomly banning submitters? If one submits a "cleverly disguised sex thread" and one submits a thread directly about sex, why on Earth don't both get banned? Is it favoritism? I was told Fark was not an erotica site, yet continue seeing such submissions and don't see those threads getting pulled. Favoritism at it's finest.

 
Bob Ondeeznuts 2008-10-07 04:57:15 PM  
img387.imageshack.us

 
dimoko [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:57:19 PM  
idsfa: Also,

who showed the liters MSPaint?!

 
andyofne [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:57:21 PM  
frenchcheesemuseum: andyofne: My wife was very aggregating last night so I slapped her.

Did you have to take her to the hospitable?


She's very volumptuous, she'll hide the bruises well.

 
Barakku [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:57:23 PM  
Weaver95: Drew: Only in cases where we think a particular login is the alt of someone already banned. Otherwise for the most part no

one thing we've seen kicked around on the Politics tab is that there MIGHT be a couple paid campaign operatives floating around with a couple alts who show up to f*ck with news story threads. There does seem to be a rise in obvious talking point trollery around major campaign events. we've even caught 'one shot' alts showing up to dump campaign memos straight from freeperland right into Fark, then they cut and run.

I don't know if you could even TRY to stop shiat like that.


IP bans? Or only one account from an IP? A little extreme though, since IPs are recycled eventually. I was actually found to be banned from the Red v. Blue forum before I tried to register, IP ban.

 
whereisian 2008-10-07 04:57:29 PM  
absoluteparanoia: I, for one, am proud of how much bandwidth I use from Fark without seeing, downloading, or clicking a single advertisement.

Download Firefox (new window)

Install Ad Block plus (new window)

And choose "EasyList".

If the moderation policies pertaining to "competitive advertising" bother you... I suggest you do the same.


It's because of FARK that I don't install adblock. I absolutely do not want to deprive Drew of some revenue for having to glance at something I'll never click anyways. FARK doesn't run on wishes and happy thoughts.

Except for flash ads - those are blocked.

 
doyner [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:57:33 PM  
Weaver95: Drew: There's no appeal process once you've exhausted your last chance. This is true. Otherwise, an appeal is still in play.

Like I said earlier - for the most part, the moderator system works very well. It's just that when it goes off the rails, it does so in epic form and scope.

it's also pretty obvious when you've got someone new in the moderator pool. they tend to get heavy handed and thin skinned for a couple days. after that they mostly chill out.


You'll get over it.

 
at80eighty 2008-10-07 04:57:33 PM  
baked beans: at80eighty: farc: what's an alt?

a real shame man

almost funny......


arguable depending on your POV. but bang on the money nonetheless

 
Lumoclear 2008-10-07 04:57:38 PM  
randomizetimer: Drew, Can TFers get a ignore the liters button?

Ignore Liters? Why in the world would you want to do that for? After all, we like you!

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:57:39 PM  
tiggerfan: absoluteparanoia: Drew: I'm going to take whatever the final version is and make a big ass FAQ out of it

Could you please make an ADD version of this?

1. Don't do anything here you wouldn't do in front of your parents or your priest.
2. If you are going to violate rule #1, do it less then once every 6 months, unless it is a spectacular violation, then do it less then once a year.


Nailed it

 
NittLion78 2008-10-07 04:57:45 PM  
Drew: All in all moderating politics threads is immensely difficult and doing it 100% right would take more resources than we have available

that's where you're wrong. give me the ultimate power and I won't greenlight another one until the 1st Wednesday in November.

 
hipcheckgrl [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:57:58 PM  
If I ever get banned, I'm going to do the same thing I do when I have to serve a penalty: act like the ref is crazy and I'm an innocent victim. I believe that's a requirement or something.

 
Pale_Green_Pants_With_Nobody_Inside_Them 2008-10-07 04:58:02 PM  
Barnacles!: Pale_Green_Pants_With_Nobody_Inside_Them: So, you guys solve it yet?

Hai PGPWNIT!!


heyya barny!

 
richie65 2008-10-07 04:58:02 PM  
Seemed incredibly silly to me when they removed my posting once... Because it included the 'FREE CAT' picture. Mod reason was: It portrays a corpse...

Of a cat. From a distance. No gore. One hell of a funny image though!

I found the image in a FARK thread weeks earlier.

Something aint right there... That episode, as small as it was and with minimal fall-out, is the reason I have not become a TF'er.

 
unremarkable asterisk [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:58:03 PM  
El Farquistador: real shaman: I let my TF account go (actually 8 TF accounts total) simply because of erratic application of unwritten rules.

That's too bad. I miss you around TFD.


Agreed.

 
Huskadoodle [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:58:06 PM  
darkhorse23: Huskadoodle: Tell me Drew, did you guys create TFD to coral the crazies?

Yeah, nice to say now that your TF tag is gone.

//coral?


I think the person that drunk sponsored me three/four years ago on a six month recurring came to there senses, or I pissed them off. Never saw them post.

*shrug*

 
Dread Pirate Slasher [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:58:17 PM  
Ktonos: I asked this elsewhere, but maybe this is the better forum to ask:

Trolls/alts - I don't get it. Why would anyone say crap here just to incite anger/rage? What do you get out of trolling? Are you doing it for fun? Personal gain? Some other ulterior motive? Is someone paying you to threadshiat? Do you hope people will be swayed to vote for your guy/party using such incendiary language? Does trolling make you feel superior? More macho? What is the appeal? Please help me to understand.



I used to be a horrible Yahoo Chat troll so I can answer this one. I did mostly did it out of boredom. I threw a lot of bullshiat out there in the hopes that someone would bite. Someone always does. It got old after a while, though, so I gave it up.

 
robsul82 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:58:32 PM  
Weaver95: Drew: I would agree that we probably have more of what you describe than most places. All in all moderating politics threads is immensely difficult and doing it 100% right would take more resources than we have available

Actually, I think you've managed to do an OUTSTANDING job moderating the politics threads. And I should know, I practically live there.

election night is gonna blow for whomever gets mod duty. You might want to give them an extra beer ration.


I disagree, sadly. The cartoon-only Farkers? They should be gone. The Farkers I'm taking pains not to name? They should be gone. Not because of political leanings, but because they add nothing - and it's a joke they add nothing, it's a JOKE they derail the threads, and nothing's done about it. Like I said before, it's an unwritten understanding that if a thread under that tab is past 100, 200 comments? It's worthless. That shouldn't happen when we've got rules we agree to follow when we sign up.

 
Ditto 2008-10-07 04:58:53 PM  
This entry gave me the oddest sense of déjà vu.

I still think that shiat with the non-foobies boobies suck ass.

 
at80eighty 2008-10-07 04:58:57 PM  
aniktwo: I was only teasing.

im 100% serious 100% of the time

 
Astra 2008-10-07 04:59:02 PM  
CastorPimp: Shadow Blasko: namegoeshere: Meh, it's fine the way it is.

Account Created 2007-09-11 20:27:00


Get off my lawn.

Account created: 2004-03-04 23:29:58

get off MY lawn.


My lawn. Off it.

 
Shiat talking Mushrooms 2008-10-07 04:59:02 PM  
Solid State Vittles: hockeyfarker: Solid State Vittles once killed a man by choking him with his own children's intestines. That man's infraction? Referring to a carbonated beverage as "soda" instead of pop

Not true. He also made eye contact with me. Big mistake. HUGE.


He he, now now, we all know there is no evidence to substantiate these wild allegations. as i recall, ssv that man's horrible mutilation was the result of an overdose of sleeping pills, isn't that right? i believe the coroner's report cleared you and our company of any wrongdoing. nothing to see here, people, nothing at all.

drew, i received confirmation of the err, transfer. cayman islands account is next

 
Party Boy [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:59:06 PM  
Below goes to Drew: .


Party Boy: *Control F [Image Hosting]*

Ok, since I see one one asked this..

Is there a preferred or recommended site to host pictures from? All to frequently, I've put up image shack pics on here to have them deleted when the link was not broken.

Thanks.

 
basemetal [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:59:22 PM  
real shaman: I agree.....

too little, too late.

I let my TF account go (actually 8 TF accounts total) simply because of erratic application of unwritten rules.


Yo dude, I've wondered where you went. I miss you and I never even made your list.

 
Bob Dolemite 2008-10-07 04:59:36 PM  
I just want alts to be banned so I don't accidentally hit on a guy that I think is a chick again. That was awkward.

 
MissFeasance [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:59:44 PM  
Senor Awesome: I used to Fark back in '93-'94

Can I borrow your time machine?

 
Number23 2008-10-07 04:59:51 PM  
Drew: We're trying to avoid making extra work for ourselves

Admirable.

 
sokeri 2008-10-07 04:59:52 PM  
Shiat talking Mushrooms: Solid State Vittles: hockeyfarker: Solid State Vittles once killed a man by choking him with his own children's intestines. That man's infraction? Referring to a carbonated beverage as "soda" instead of pop

Not true. He also made eye contact with me. Big mistake. HUGE.

He he, now now, we all know there is no evidence to substantiate these wild allegations. as i recall, ssv that man's horrible mutilation was the result of an overdose of sleeping pills, isn't that right? i believe the coroner's report cleared you and our company of any wrongdoing. nothing to see here, people, nothing at all.

drew, i received confirmation of the err, transfer. cayman islands account is next


I have lost track of which one of you I love more.

 
Biggs [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:59:56 PM  
Drew: 1. Don't do anything here you wouldn't do in front of your parents or your priest.
2. If you are going to violate rule #1, do it less then once every 6 months, unless it is a spectacular violation, then do it less then once a year.

Nailed it


Thank you both for that.

 
JackAssHole [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 04:59:56 PM  
Drew,

One thing I would absolutely like to see is that the modmins give each of us a heads-up when we're on the radar. Early this year I got a month off for something minor, and when I inquired via farkback, I was given a list of 4 or 5 other things I had done in the weeks prior that got me on the shiat list. Threads I had started were pulled without explanation, etc. I had no idea I had been on the radar, much less why. In fact, the specific thread that put me over the edge was me pointing out (happliy) that yanked threads were being left behind with an explanation...

 
baked beans 2008-10-07 05:00:07 PM  
at80eighty: baked beans: at80eighty: farc: what's an alt?

a real shame man

almost funny......

arguable depending on your POV. but bang on the money nonetheless


and you completely missed the point.....

 
TheFarkinEmpress [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:00:16 PM  
I was collaterally banned back in '01 cuz my idiot boyfried posted info he shouldn't have from my IP addy on my puter. They banned the whole IP addy and I couldn't log on.

But we broke up, and I came back on in '03 and haven't had any problems since.

One problem I do have is whenever there are articles posted about children being molested, there are tons of trolls who defend the molester and state the laws to protect children are too mean to the molosters. Seriously, what's up with that? And then there are the ones who defend people who hurt and torture animals.

I believe in free speech, but these people suck.

 
Shattersoul 2008-10-07 05:00:17 PM  
CastorPimp: Shadow Blasko: namegoeshere: Meh, it's fine the way it is.

Account Created 2007-09-11 20:27:00


Get off my lawn.

Account created: 2004-03-04 23:29:58

get off MY lawn.


Account created: 2002-05-16 11:56:35

Now both of you, get off MY lawn.

 
dinkalicious [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:00:18 PM  
aniktwo: No, lolcats make this place funnier. Sorry

I just don't get it.

 
NimbleWalrus 2008-10-07 05:00:20 PM  
Some have suggested that we create a darker section of Fark and just leave it alone altogether (with warnings when you were about to cross over).

So, UltraFark?

 
palladiate's hair 2008-10-07 05:00:31 PM  
aniktwo: Where is your wearer? I haven't seen him on here for awhile!

I don't know. Biatch cut me and left me in a ditch. I dunno if I wanna see him for a while.

If you see him, tell him off. Then tell him to call me, I'm lonely.

 
Aeonite [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:00:43 PM  
tldr

 
MalloreeH 2008-10-07 05:00:49 PM  
Huskadoodle: MalloreeH: i guess you've got to be a complete troll for most of that to concern you...

Ha! I knew you would get sponsored again;^)


my boyfriend got it for me because I threatened to leave him if he didn't.

 
tweekster [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:00:51 PM  
Moderator posts really should be in color or something else to grab attention.

A few times the mods have posted to tell everyone to shut the hell up about whatever and no one even saw it for a while.

 
Barakku [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:01:02 PM  
Um is it possible to make the page numbered thing into an on/off option? It's annoying to navigate to the bottom of the page constantly on my computer (no page down/end button in tablet mode) so the show all button seems a little annoying. Is this feature new today or have I just never seen it before? What point does it kick in?

 
JerseyTim [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:01:20 PM  
Shattersoul: CastorPimp: Shadow Blasko: namegoeshere: Meh, it's fine the way it is.

Account Created 2007-09-11 20:27:00


Get off my lawn.

Account created: 2004-03-04 23:29:58

get off MY lawn.

Account created: 2002-05-16 11:56:35

Now both of you, get off MY lawn.


AHEM.

 
Weaver95 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:01:23 PM  
robsul82: I disagree, sadly. The cartoon-only Farkers? They should be gone. The Farkers I'm taking pains not to name? They should be gone. Not because of political leanings, but because they add nothing - and it's a joke they add nothing, it's a JOKE they derail the threads, and nothing's done about it. Like I said before, it's an unwritten understanding that if a thread under that tab is past 100, 200 comments? It's worthless. That shouldn't happen when we've got rules we agree to follow when we sign up.

Nah - the cartoon only farkers I can slap an ignore function on. same for the more blatant 'talking point' macro bots. As for the rest, i've seen discussions not really get interesting until WELL after post #300. you kinda have to just go with the flow in the poltics tab. nobody there is ever going to really change their minds about anything but you can find some good thoughts and analysis if you're persistant enough. Oh, and bring a sense of humor. you'll need it.

 
Senor Awesome 2008-10-07 05:01:27 PM  
MissFeasance: Senor Awesome: I used to Fark back in '93-'94

Can I borrow your time machine?


Er, yeah. Did I mention I'm an idiot? I was back then too. It's supposed to be 03-04. Obviously I never got over the Clinton era.

 
GregoryD 2008-10-07 05:01:29 PM  
Astra:

Account created: 2002-02-15 19:00:34

My lawn. Off it.


MY LAWN. Off it.

you're hot.

 
redoctober65 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:01:29 PM  
sokeri: Shiat talking Mushrooms: Solid State Vittles: hockeyfarker: Solid State Vittles once killed a man by choking him with his own children's intestines. That man's infraction? Referring to a carbonated beverage as "soda" instead of pop

Not true. He also made eye contact with me. Big mistake. HUGE.

He he, now now, we all know there is no evidence to substantiate these wild allegations. as i recall, ssv that man's horrible mutilation was the result of an overdose of sleeping pills, isn't that right? i believe the coroner's report cleared you and our company of any wrongdoing. nothing to see here, people, nothing at all.

drew, i received confirmation of the err, transfer. cayman islands account is next

I have lost track of which one of you I love more.


That would be me

 
sokeri 2008-10-07 05:01:31 PM  
JackAssHole: Drew,

One thing I would absolutely like to see is that the modmins give each of us a heads-up when we're on the radar. Early this year I got a month off for something minor, and when I inquired via farkback, I was given a list of 4 or 5 other things I had done in the weeks prior that got me on the shiat list. Threads I had started were pulled without explanation, etc. I had no idea I had been on the radar, much less why. In fact, the specific thread that put me over the edge was me pointing out (happliy) that yanked threads were being left behind with an explanation...


how does anyone NOT know when they're on the radar? it's been PAINFULLY obvious to me when I am being watched.

 
Lumoclear 2008-10-07 05:01:37 PM  
at80eighty: Lumoclear: First of all, bring back fb. Poke him and see if he has the time. Every website needs an ultracool modmin around. And fb is the father.

...

you mean posting or admin'ing

DREW IM STILL WONDERING ABOUT THE SONG & EMOTICON


Yes, I mean either or both.

 
dimoko [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:01:41 PM  
Shattersoul: CastorPimp: Shadow Blasko: namegoeshere: Meh, it's fine the way it is.

Account Created 2007-09-11 20:27:00


Get off my lawn.

Account created: 2004-03-04 23:29:58

get off MY lawn.

Account created: 2002-05-16 11:56:35

Now both of you, get off MY lawn.


finally, the question of whose internet wiener is longer has been answered.

 
HunterNIU 2008-10-07 05:01:42 PM  
Drew: and doing it 100% right would take more resources than we have available

/available
//you know you love me
///and love banning me for non-photoshopped images in photoshop threads
////which i don't believe i've done in a while

 
Dancin_In_Anson [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:01:44 PM  
Number23: Admirable.

I was going to say "slacker".

 
FarkinHostile 2008-10-07 05:01:48 PM  
Shiat talking Mushrooms

hey, farkin hostile is still alive. alright! he's definitely going to be part of my unit.


Please refrain from mentioning me and "your unit" in the same post. Kthnxbye.

 
DeanMoriarty 2008-10-07 05:01:50 PM  
I will say that I don't subscribe to TF purely because of one previous moderation/bannination action that was entirely over-zealous, poorly carried out, and scattershot. My guess is that's cost about $250 I would have contributed over the years.

So I'm taking the Fairness doctrine with a grain of salt.

 
txlewis 2008-10-07 05:01:54 PM  
Wait a minute, this place has moderators?

Crap.

TXL

 
radiovox [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:01:55 PM  
Thanks for the info, Drew. Good house party analogy. By the way,
I have a beer recommendation for ya - try the Post Road Pumpkin Ale. Perfect for the KY fall weather.
When you bringing yer ass to Sarasota?

 
Dread Pirate Slasher [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:01:58 PM  
tweekster: Moderator posts really should be in color or something else to grab attention.

A few times the mods have posted to tell everyone to shut the hell up about whatever and no one even saw it for a while.


I try to favorite mods when I see them so their posts are in color.

 
el_dudarino [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:02:02 PM  
JackAssHole: Drew,

One thing I would absolutely like to see is that the modmins give each of us a heads-up when we're on the radar. Early this year I got a month off for something minor, and when I inquired via farkback, I was given a list of 4 or 5 other things I had done in the weeks prior that got me on the shiat list. Threads I had started were pulled without explanation, etc. I had no idea I had been on the radar, much less why. In fact, the specific thread that put me over the edge was me pointing out (happliy) that yanked threads were being left behind with an explanation...


This

 
theoriginalslash 2008-10-07 05:02:08 PM  
Sounds fair to me. I don't understand what people don't understand about being the owner of a website, the one who pays for the bandwidth, so you get to say how it gets used. It's not a democracy, it's a benevolent dictatorship. If you don't like it, go elsewhere. What don't people get about that? I think the policies are pretty up-front.

And I'm tired of the constant whining about the boobie pictures and the relative lack thereof. Jebus, at least 80% of the rest of the intertubes is devoted to boobies, that's not enough for you? You don't need more boobies on Fark, you need a girlfriend.

 
Stratigus64 2008-10-07 05:02:15 PM  
Weeners!!!

//dang! Too late and wrong thread...

 
Solid State Vittles [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:02:17 PM  
Shiat talking Mushrooms: He he, now now, we all know there is no evidence to substantiate these wild allegations. as i recall, ssv that man's horrible mutilation was the result of an overdose of sleeping pills, isn't that right? i believe the coroner's report cleared you and our company of any wrongdoing. nothing to see here, people, nothing at all.

He was high on prescription cough syrup (someone else's, mind you) and fell down the stairs. Anyone that disagrees can talk to my laywer.

 
sokeri 2008-10-07 05:02:18 PM  
redoctober65: That would be me

who are you?

 
MissFeasance [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:02:18 PM  
tweekster: Moderator posts really should be in color or something else to grab attention.

A few times the mods have posted to tell everyone to shut the hell up about whatever and no one even saw it for a while.


If you download the Farky extension or use the favorites section in your profile, you can do that yourself.

 
merlotguy [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:02:19 PM  
did you do this just to test the new page counter thing?

 
GregoryD 2008-10-07 05:02:38 PM  
Shattersoul: Now both of you, get off MY lawn.

You too.

/Sup Shatter
//Dimension

 
CastorPimp 2008-10-07 05:02:44 PM  
Astra: CastorPimp: Shadow Blasko: namegoeshere: Meh, it's fine the way it is.

Account Created 2007-09-11 20:27:00


Get off my lawn.

Account created: 2004-03-04 23:29:58

get off MY lawn.

My lawn. Off it.



yes ma'am!
/by 7 months, blast you!

 
IdBeCrazyIf 2008-10-07 05:02:56 PM  
Drew: It takes a lot to get knocked out permanently. That's our next discussion

Seriously.....

Okay quick question, and Im pretty certain you know exactly who I'm talking about when I reference this.

At what point is the decision made to throw someone from the door, and for lack of a better why between two people who do the same thing. One get the perma ban and another escape with a 2 month slap on the hand.

or will this be covered in the next discussion

Fark ElectricModaratoo 2?

 
make me some tea [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:02:56 PM  
What HubieStubert said.

 
pwhp_67 2008-10-07 05:03:10 PM  
NittLion78: give me the ultimate power and I won't greenlight another one until the 1st Wednesday in November.


Oh joy. Knowing you they'll have nothing but articles on Jell-O wrestling for the next month...

 
aniktwo 2008-10-07 05:03:11 PM  
palladiate's hair: aniktwo: Where is your wearer? I haven't seen him on here for awhile!

I don't know. Biatch cut me and left me in a ditch. I dunno if I wanna see him for a while.

If you see him, tell him off. Then tell him to call me, I'm lonely.



I tell him that I flirt with his hair, but he pays it no mind.

 
hockeyfarker 2008-10-07 05:03:16 PM  
There was one guy who looked at Solid State Vittles' shoes and SSV disabled all motor functions in one leg via a judo chop to the spinal cord. He let the guy choose which leg to lose, but just to f*ck with him he disabled the other one.

 
Owangotang 2008-10-07 05:03:25 PM  
If you are basing your decision to not sign up for TotalFark on 1 incident with a moderator then you are a moron, plain and simple. Mistakes happen, at least this is one place willing to talk them out. Stop being emo and just tell the truth, you don't want to pay $5.

 
hubiestubert [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:03:28 PM  
JackAssHole: Drew,

One thing I would absolutely like to see is that the modmins give each of us a heads-up when we're on the radar. Early this year I got a month off for something minor, and when I inquired via farkback, I was given a list of 4 or 5 other things I had done in the weeks prior that got me on the shiat list. Threads I had started were pulled without explanation, etc. I had no idea I had been on the radar, much less why. In fact, the specific thread that put me over the edge was me pointing out (happliy) that yanked threads were being left behind with an explanation...


I love when a thread is pulled, and a reason is given. Yes, the snarky ones are cute, but actually giving a reason for a thread being pulled is a positive thing.

 
Bob Dolemite 2008-10-07 05:03:32 PM  
merlotguy: did you do this just to test the new page counter thing?

if that's the case, I like Older vs Newer better than First vs Last

 
bobbette 2008-10-07 05:03:40 PM  
Weaver95: Drew: Only in cases where we think a particular login is the alt of someone already banned. Otherwise for the most part no

one thing we've seen kicked around on the Politics tab is that there MIGHT be a couple paid campaign operatives floating around with a couple alts who show up to f*ck with news story threads. There does seem to be a rise in obvious talking point trollery around major campaign events. we've even caught 'one shot' alts showing up to dump campaign memos straight from freeperland right into Fark, then they cut and run.

I don't know if you could even TRY to stop shiat like that.


There's definitely at least one operative who only EVER posts in greenlit Politics threads. Everyone who's clicked the Politics tab knows who I'm talking about.

And this is an area of strategy for political campaigns. It might be a volunteer or this person may be being paid. In any case, dominating Web 2.0 discussion is a major priority for political campaigns now, and there are organized responses to stories all over the internet, just as there are organized responses to call-in talk shows on radio and TV. (Volunteers are mobilized to call in and pretend to be "average citizens" on almost every show.) I suspect both campaigns have a dozen paid staffers working exclusively on internet messaging via email alerts to hundreds of astroturf net volunteers, to prop up everything from Youtube videos to Digg/Reddit to Facebook group-joining. Not that there's anything really wrong with that, but it makes for excruciatingly dull threads when someone shows up with the talking points du jour.

 
unremarkable asterisk [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:03:46 PM  
tweekster: Moderator posts really should be in color or something else to grab attention.

Farky the mod.

 
Stratigus64 2008-10-07 05:04:05 PM  
Stratigus64: Weeners!!!

//dang! Too late and wrong thread...


haha, they got that one changed too! First time I've ever seen it changed to "weeners" tho...

 
robsul82 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:04:06 PM  
Weaver95: robsul82: I disagree, sadly. The cartoon-only Farkers? They should be gone. The Farkers I'm taking pains not to name? They should be gone. Not because of political leanings, but because they add nothing - and it's a joke they add nothing, it's a JOKE they derail the threads, and nothing's done about it. Like I said before, it's an unwritten understanding that if a thread under that tab is past 100, 200 comments? It's worthless. That shouldn't happen when we've got rules we agree to follow when we sign up.

Nah - the cartoon only farkers I can slap an ignore function on. same for the more blatant 'talking point' macro bots. As for the rest, i've seen discussions not really get interesting until WELL after post #300. you kinda have to just go with the flow in the poltics tab. nobody there is ever going to really change their minds about anything but you can find some good thoughts and analysis if you're persistant enough. Oh, and bring a sense of humor. you'll need it.


Oh, I've been here a long time, I'm well aware what you need for the Politics tab. But we shouldn't have to use the Ignore function (I personally don't) because the mods don't do anything about the problems.

 
redoctober65 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:04:08 PM  
sokeri: redoctober65: That would be me

who are you?



Sniff

*runs from thread sobbing*

 
Shattersoul 2008-10-07 05:04:09 PM  
JerseyTim:
AHEM.


I knew that was coming as soon as I clicked submit. Well played sir.

Now Drew, if we could have an option to not have that silly username link thingy when we reply, I, for one, would be a happy man.

/I like commas
//sue me

 
at80eighty 2008-10-07 05:04:35 PM  
baked beans: and you completely missed the point.....

look at you go! things just are because you say so. keep making whatever up to keep you warm at night

 
The Invisible Sky Wizard [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:04:36 PM  
Okay, what's up with the 12 year old Farker deal that folks keep bringing up? What epic trainwreck did I sadly miss out on this time?

 
dimoko [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:04:38 PM  
hubiestubert: JackAssHole: Drew,

One thing I would absolutely like to see is that the modmins give each of us a heads-up when we're on the radar. Early this year I got a month off for something minor, and when I inquired via farkback, I was given a list of 4 or 5 other things I had done in the weeks prior that got me on the shiat list. Threads I had started were pulled without explanation, etc. I had no idea I had been on the radar, much less why. In fact, the specific thread that put me over the edge was me pointing out (happliy) that yanked threads were being left behind with an explanation...

I love when a thread is pulled, and a reason is given. Yes, the snarky ones are cute, but actually giving a reason for a thread being pulled is a positive thing.


when they get a snarky response, it is usually pretty apparent why the thread was pulled

 
randomizetimer [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:04:40 PM  
I hate when a TFD goes green, it just ruins my TFD!

 
absoluteparanoia 2008-10-07 05:04:50 PM  
el_dudarino:
absoluteparanoia: Drew: There's no appeal process once you've exhausted your last chance. This is true. Otherwise, an appeal is still in play.

FTFY
Agreed. I've written farkback, pointing out obvious flaws in logic and citing other similar threads that are still standing. And I have received back "Thank you very much, that sucks, now STFU and enjoy the rest of your ban"

Not in so many words, but that was the basic gist


Nailed it. And that's if you're lucky enough to get a response. The underlying attitude is "we don't care if you paid for this service or not, we don't care if you will come back or not, we don't care if we let someone else slide and we brought the hammer on you, enjoy your ban".

 
tweekster [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:05:10 PM  
unremarkable asterisk: tweekster: Moderator posts really should be in color or something else to grab attention.

Farky the mod.


A few people have mentioned that now, but it seems like an unnecessary step.

If the fark is trying to post and make a point it really shouldn't be hidden in the rest of the comments.

 
saulecker 2008-10-07 05:05:15 PM  
Drew: It's an absolute nightmare all around. Politics are now roughly one third of all link submissions.

we kick the politics to the curve in TFD!

 
randomizetimer [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:05:26 PM  
The Invisible Sky Wizard: Okay, what's up with the 12 year old Farker deal that folks keep bringing up? What epic trainwreck did I sadly miss out on this time?

It was a Total Fark Discussion, so no liters allowed.

 
Shiat talking Mushrooms 2008-10-07 05:05:33 PM  
FarkinHostile:
Please refrain from mentioning me and "your unit" in the same post. Kthnxbye.


ohhhhh, so a few months in a dirty third world spot like the mainpage and you forget about your old pals from TFD, huh? we spilled the same code in the same threads, dude. you remember that.

Solid State Vittles:

He was high on prescription cough syrup (someone else's, mind you) and fell down the stairs. Anyone that disagrees can talk to my laywer.


see? reads like an open and shut case to me.

 
aniktwo 2008-10-07 05:05:44 PM  
Barakku: Um is it possible to make the page numbered thing into an on/off option? It's annoying to navigate to the bottom of the page constantly on my computer (no page down/end button in tablet mode) so the show all button seems a little annoying. Is this feature new today or have I just never seen it before? What point does it kick in?

Check your preferences, it should be in there. You should be able to turn it off or adjust it.

 
JohnBigBootay 2008-10-07 05:05:49 PM  
Does this mean some of our more famous split-personalities are gonna get banned now?

 
Shattersoul 2008-10-07 05:05:50 PM  
GregoryD: Shattersoul: Now both of you, get off MY lawn.

You too.

/Sup Shatter
//Dimension


DAMN GREG! You need to come visit me on irc, same place still. Or my email is in mah profile.

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:05:53 PM  
elvisbloom: robsul82: Pxtl: robsul82: Oh, and trolling in the actual political threads. As fun as the Wild West was, eventually we stopped it, you know?


Exactly. The Farkers who do nothing but post stupid cartoons, same thing. The rules clearly state that all of those Farkers, and the various other names that I won't mention but Politics regulars will know of whom I speak...they shouldn't be here, but they're allowed day after day to derail threads and hijack conversations. That shouldn't happen.

Will naming names get someone banned? Cause I could list a few too.


In thread yes, emailing moderators no

 
IdBeCrazyIf 2008-10-07 05:05:56 PM  
FarkinHostile: Please refrain from mentioning me and "your unit" in the same post. Kthnxbye.

What about me and my unit..... that night in Capistrano and the four redheads.

... the balls touched.

 
mesohorny 2008-10-07 05:05:59 PM  

 
birchman [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:06:12 PM  
Out the submitter!

 
doyner [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:06:15 PM  
robsul82: Weaver95: robsul82: I disagree, sadly. The cartoon-only Farkers? They should be gone. The Farkers I'm taking pains not to name? They should be gone. Not because of political leanings, but because they add nothing - and it's a joke they add nothing, it's a JOKE they derail the threads, and nothing's done about it. Like I said before, it's an unwritten understanding that if a thread under that tab is past 100, 200 comments? It's worthless. That shouldn't happen when we've got rules we agree to follow when we sign up.

Nah - the cartoon only farkers I can slap an ignore function on. same for the more blatant 'talking point' macro bots. As for the rest, i've seen discussions not really get interesting until WELL after post #300. you kinda have to just go with the flow in the poltics tab. nobody there is ever going to really change their minds about anything but you can find some good thoughts and analysis if you're persistant enough. Oh, and bring a sense of humor. you'll need it.

Oh, I've been here a long time, I'm well aware what you need for the Politics tab. But we shouldn't have to use the Ignore function (I personally don't) because the mods don't do anything about the problems.


I think the point is that if you as an individual are more inclined to block people's posts than the mods, then the forum is sufficiently free. I'd rather put people on my ignore list than have the mods do it for me.

 
Quel [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:06:20 PM  
Drew:Anyone who wants to argue that Ron Paul is awesome or that Ralph Nader is great can keep right on arguing that, or any other conservative or liberal ideology they might believe - provided that they really do believe it. We censor, but there is no political motivation behind it. The goal is to allow everyone to have as much fun as possible, and when necessary remove people from the house party who are preventing that from happening.

JESUS WAS AN EXTRATERRESTRIAL!

 
aniktwo 2008-10-07 05:06:43 PM  
randomizetimer: The Invisible Sky Wizard: Okay, what's up with the 12 year old Farker deal that folks keep bringing up? What epic trainwreck did I sadly miss out on this time?

It was a Total Fark Discussion, so no liters allowed.


Tell me please! I have been working too much to be on top of everything on TFD.

 
Atomic Grumpbot ver.3 2008-10-07 05:06:49 PM  
For all the farkers who want a section for unmoderated lunacy, why don't you start going to the wonderful world of /b/?

Fark is great, and I can't wait until all this political rear-end in a top hatery simmers down.

 
absoluteparanoia 2008-10-07 05:06:58 PM  
Shattersoul: CastorPimp: Shadow Blasko: namegoeshere: Meh, it's fine the way it is.

Account Created 2007-09-11 20:27:00


Get off my lawn.

Account created: 2004-03-04 23:29:58

get off MY lawn.

Account created: 2002-05-16 11:56:35

Now both of you, get off MY lawn.


Account created: 2002-05-07 21:07:36

And that's after a year and a half of lurking. Now off MY lawn.

 
Barakku [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:06:58 PM  
saulecker: Drew: It's an absolute nightmare all around. Politics are now roughly one third of all link submissions.

we kick the politics to the curve in TFD!


CURB
.

 
bob_ross [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:07:21 PM  
hockeyfarker: There was one guy who looked at Solid State Vittles' shoes and SSV disabled all motor functions in one leg via a judo chop to the spinal cord. He let the guy choose which leg to lose, but just to f*ck with him he disabled the other one.

I heard that too except it was the arms. SSV hates Left-handers

 
Rozinante 2008-10-07 05:07:23 PM  
The moderating has been the only consistent thing in the last 7 or so years I've been reading threads. Waves of different groups of people come and go. I can't wait for the election to be over.

I also want to see if he who likes gelatinous desserts and the dryad that nibbles get filtered, but don't want to invoke any undue wrath.

Did you know you can't block Drew? ELITIST!

 
ProducedBy [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:07:29 PM  
Drew: yes

I think I got lost in the many pages, so I will try again, not trying to be a pain etc etc

Anyway to clear up the "make the mods work hard" bit. If somebody gets banned for that because some people just complain alot, that seems to result in a ban for nothing more that some people dont like somebody, and then make a point to cry ato mods about a person.

We know that some people have been perma banned under this reasoning, and all because a mob decided to over time, complain enough to make the mods work hard. Make sense?

And is there a reason that you guys cant just say why people were banned via the offenders profile? I get the feeling this would likely limit some nonsense, and for gods sake, find a way to out smittys like Jeff used to who are clearly be dumb and submitting nonsense or fake trainwrecks week after week.

 
Demon of the Fall 2008-10-07 05:07:30 PM  
The more Fark dilutes itself to accommodates advertisers the closer it will come to a breaking point, page-view wise. Obviously we all have to eat , but if the moderation/page changes are done purely from a profit generation stand point you might end up losing more money in the end from lower traffic.

Obviously I got over NuFark, but compared to the golden days (circa 2003-4 for me), the amount of time I've spent on this site has gone down significantly.

Then again it could be because my life is becoming somewhat less sad, and my free time has gone down, which wouldn't reflect on your business model.

Just my 2 cents anyway.

 
RabidDog [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:07:34 PM  
sokeri: it's been PAINFULLY obvious to me when I am being watched.

Am I that obvious?

I shall attempt to be more stealthy.

 
aniktwo 2008-10-07 05:07:37 PM  
absoluteparanoia: Shattersoul: CastorPimp: Shadow Blasko: namegoeshere: Meh, it's fine the way it is.

Account Created 2007-09-11 20:27:00


Get off my lawn.

Account created: 2004-03-04 23:29:58

get off MY lawn.

Account created: 2002-05-16 11:56:35

Now both of you, get off MY lawn.

Account created: 2002-05-07 21:07:36

And that's after a year and a half of lurking. Now off MY lawn.




Is this an e-peen discussion? You guys are cute. For reals.

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:07:42 PM  
You Can't Fix Stupid: Question (more from curiosity rather than fear):

I submitted a headline once and got a 24-hour ban for "Parody Thread" (if memory serves). I didn't (and still don't) have any idea what that means and figured an admin misunderstood my headline,* or that my headline unintentionally mimicked something else that was troublesome.

So I shrugged my shoulders and thought "Oh well. I can live without posting any headlines till tomorrow; it's hardly worth complaining or appealing."

Having read your post, though, I'm wondering if I should have. I'd hate for an honest mistake to contribute to that sliding scale you mentioned.

Thoughts?

* I even remember the subject and headline: There was a false rumor running around that day that Will Ferrell had died. I linked to a news.google.com item about it with the headline "No More Cowbell" and the Sad tag. I didn't worry when it got redlighted, but later I went to submit something else and found out I was banned for posting a "Parody Thread."

I'm not an eidetiker; I just remember because I was scratching my head and thinking "What the hell was that all about?"


Parody threads are an upcoming topic

 
palladiate's hair 2008-10-07 05:07:49 PM  
bobbette: I suspect both campaigns have a dozen paid staffers working exclusively on internet messaging via email alerts to hundreds of astroturf net volunteers, to prop up everything from Youtube videos to Digg/Reddit to Facebook group-joining. Not that there's anything really wrong with that, but it makes for excruciatingly dull threads when someone shows up with the talking points du jour

When I was working on a local national House campaign, my strategy to canvas online forums and local media won me big brownie points and kudos. That was 2003-2004. It's a MAJOR part of the national strategies now. Very major.

I don't know how easily it can be stopped from the web end, but organized astroturfing is, in fact, the case.

 
Xystance 2008-10-07 05:07:53 PM  
lordargent: Xystance: When a post or article is removed why not leave the person's name there and just have a comment about why it's removed? OR not even that, just a placeholder with the guy's name that says "removed".

I've been rather fond of what gawker media sites have been doing.

They 'disenvowel' a post. Basically remove all vowels from a post, thus making it nigh unreadable.


Oh WOW, I was -thinking- about that when I posted... Gaaaah why didn't I mention that!

(Loves the Consumerist)

 
spidermann [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:07:53 PM  
aniktwo: randomizetimer: The Invisible Sky Wizard: Okay, what's up with the 12 year old Farker deal that folks keep bringing up? What epic trainwreck did I sadly miss out on this time?

It was a Total Fark Discussion, so no liters allowed.

Tell me please! I have been working too much to be on top of everything on TFD.


hahahahah!

Dude, she's 12.

Epic fail thread.

 
JerseyTim [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:08:19 PM  
I like it, too. Mostly because my computer stinks on ice.

First | « | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20 | » | Last | Show all

 
bob_ross [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:08:20 PM  
mesohorny: the new pagination thing is cool.

First | « | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20 | » | Last | Show all


Just noticed that too. Nice Drew

 
JohnBigBootay 2008-10-07 05:08:25 PM  
is this a bad time to request that we get one thread a day where we can post hundreds of hotlinked pics of absurdly hot chicks?

 
Bob Balaban 2008-10-07 05:08:30 PM  
I have a couple of old accounts you can delete if you want since I've switched user names a couple of times.

Also, there should be one "random" thread a day on the main page or somewhere that lets people get all the random stuff out or the way and hopefully produce the funny in the process.

 
skiptomyloop [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:08:30 PM  
Barakku: saulecker: Drew: It's an absolute nightmare all around. Politics are now roughly one third of all link submissions.

we kick the politics to the curve in TFD!

CURB.


for all intensive purposes curve is fine but who axed you?

 
hubiestubert [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:08:36 PM  
dimoko: hubiestubert: JackAssHole: Drew,

One thing I would absolutely like to see is that the modmins give each of us a heads-up when we're on the radar. Early this year I got a month off for something minor, and when I inquired via farkback, I was given a list of 4 or 5 other things I had done in the weeks prior that got me on the shiat list. Threads I had started were pulled without explanation, etc. I had no idea I had been on the radar, much less why. In fact, the specific thread that put me over the edge was me pointing out (happliy) that yanked threads were being left behind with an explanation...

I love when a thread is pulled, and a reason is given. Yes, the snarky ones are cute, but actually giving a reason for a thread being pulled is a positive thing.

when they get a snarky response, it is usually pretty apparent why the thread was pulled


Certainly so, but it isn't always the case. Or rather, it often just easier to pull it and mock, than address the real issue.

 
Paryb [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:08:43 PM  
dimoko: Shattersoul: CastorPimp: Shadow Blasko: namegoeshere: Meh, it's fine the way it is.

Account Created 2007-09-11 20:27:00


Get off my lawn.

Account created: 2004-03-04 23:29:58

get off MY lawn.

Account created: 2002-05-16 11:56:35

Now both of you, get off MY lawn.

finally, the question of whose internet wiener is longer has been answered.


'Scuse me while I whip this out...
Login: Paryb
Fark account number: 408
Account created: 2000-09-08 (approx.)

Internet, special olympics, yadda yadda yadda.

Oh, and what Hubiestubert said.

 
CastorPimp 2008-10-07 05:08:49 PM  
NimbleWalrus: Some have suggested that we create a darker section of Fark and just leave it alone altogether (with warnings when you were about to cross over).

So, UltraFark?


it's called 4chan

 
whereisian 2008-10-07 05:08:52 PM  
Drew: whereisian: Drew: The core problem with politics is it's about winning, as opposed to being right.

I disagree. There are plenty of liberal and conservative farkers that try and make their points and discuss, joke and lulz. Right now, more than ever, honest political discussion should be encouraged and not just turned into a football game. I think farkers deserve more credit or you are more cynical than you admit.


I would agree that we probably have more of what you describe than most places. All in all moderating politics threads is immensely difficult and doing it 100% right would take more resources than we have available


Fair. Consider some of the points other farkers have made. There are good suggestions in here that would take the load of the mods and allow some level of self moderation. A few key points have already been identified in this thread which sit at the core of the issue. Something along the lines of slashdot's karma system may be helpful. Perhaps a round table of TFers (who help pay the bills after all) is in order. Announce that and you get my $5.

 
TheShavingofOccam123 [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:09:29 PM  
uh, when a thread goes green then goes red kinda sucks...

 
aniktwo 2008-10-07 05:09:43 PM  
Paryb:


'Scuse me while I whip this out...
Login: Paryb
Fark account number: 408
Account created: 2000-09-08 (approx.)

Internet, special olympics, yadda yadda yadda.

Oh, and what Hubiestubert said.



I like to stay on your good side because then I can say I know a guy with a three digit Fark account.

/makes me sound cool
//in theory

 
Deveyn [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:09:53 PM  
aniktwo: Is this an e-peen discussion? You guys are cute. For reals.

My thoughts too. I thought people were over this account number dicksizing thing.

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:09:54 PM  
melopene: Drew: FWIW creating an alt draws moderator attention, in a bad way. We pretty much assume trolling is what they're for

But when we've logged into TF from another person's computer and they later decide to create an account, they can't, and the system tells them that they've got 'too many logins already'.

My best friend can't create a stupid login for this very reason, and I never got any reply from my farkback explaining that no, I wasn't creating an alt, but neither of us could get an account created for her.


Email in, we can fix that manually

 
tweekster [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:10:08 PM  
The page selector is poorly implemented for a site that will be refreshed at a considerable rate.

 
LineNoise [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:10:10 PM  
Drew:

Assuming you aren't covering, could you add a little blurb about what the roll of the Total Fark Discussion tab is intended to be? It seems like there are wild inconsistencies as to what does and doesn't get pulled from there, or what counts as threadjacking, or what its purpose even is.

 
make me some tea [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:10:11 PM  
Also, what JackAsshole said.

 
spidermann [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:10:33 PM  
Deveyn: aniktwo: Is this an e-peen discussion? You guys are cute. For reals.

My thoughts too. I thought people were over this account number dicksizing thing.


so did I.

but then, I think they only pull it out when around Liters.

/been Tfer and Liter
//much like being Tfer
///no offense current fellow Liters

 
at80eighty 2008-10-07 05:10:35 PM  
Drew: Parody threads are an upcoming topic

some (read: very few) are actually funny sometimes

 
absoluteparanoia 2008-10-07 05:10:42 PM  
aniktwo: Is this an e-peen discussion? You guys are cute. For reals.

Would you like to join?

 
Nightjars 2008-10-07 05:10:48 PM  
Paryb: Fark account number: 408

Noob.

 
doyner [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:10:51 PM  
Drew:
Parody threads are an upcoming topic


Ooooh! Which part is that one? I want to be sure to tune in to that thread.

 
FarkinHostile 2008-10-07 05:10:52 PM  
Shiat talking Mushrooms

ohhhhh, so a few months in a dirty third world spot like the mainpage and you forget about your old pals from TFD, huh? we spilled the same code in the same threads, dude. you remember that.


Look, I was lonely and I admit a bit curious. That was the past, though, and I am a different person now. What we had was special, sure, but I've moved on. (putting hand on top of yours) So should you.

Still, I'll always cherish those moments. You were my first Mexican.

 
el_dudarino [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:11:17 PM  
absoluteparanoia: el_dudarino:

absoluteparanoia: Drew: There's no appeal process once you've exhausted your last chance. This is true. Otherwise, an appeal is still in play.

FTFY

Agreed. I've written farkback, pointing out obvious flaws in logic and citing other similar threads that are still standing. And I have received back "Thank you very much, that sucks, now STFU and enjoy the rest of your ban"

Not in so many words, but that was the basic gist

Nailed it. And that's if you're lucky enough to get a response. The underlying attitude is "we don't care if you paid for this service or not, we don't care if you will come back or not, we don't care if we let someone else slide and we brought the hammer on you, enjoy your ban".


Quoted for Drew

 
DeanMoriarty 2008-10-07 05:11:23 PM  
Owangotang: If you are basing your decision to not sign up for TotalFark on 1 incident with a moderator then you are a moron, plain and simple. Mistakes happen, at least this is one place willing to talk them out. Stop being emo and just tell the truth, you don't want to pay $5.


Just stating a fact since talking to an admin or moderator did nothing to help the situation. If they'd have rectified it I'd have paid up. Pretty simple.

 
AppleOptionEsc 2008-10-07 05:11:25 PM  
the comments are long, maybe someone will see this. (no idea if it was discussed)

Drew i think your FarQ needs to have guidelines on what can not be posted, in some more specific forms. Not that I necessarily would (but as you point out, beer is a great driving force sometimes, which I have been guilty of), but the talk of being banned for posting pictures. I see some people get away scot free with the car accident pic, and other are just rumors of being banned for posting such a picture (and the free cat pic). Maybe I missed it, but I do think you need to clarify where the grey areas STARTS. If you want to keep it ambiguous so people can't purposly cross the line to drive the mods insane, that's fine, but we need a warning track sometimes.

/horray for moderation discussion

 
YouWinAgainGravity 2008-10-07 05:11:26 PM  
Out of curiosity, does Farkback go to all the mods and admins, or is there a subset that handles that area, or does each category go to different people?

 
Raccoon Dog 2008-10-07 05:11:43 PM  
The rule is, if you can't say something nice, be funny.

 
Paryb [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:12:01 PM  
aniktwo: makes me sound cool
//in theory


HAHA, that's like being the coolest kid at the LARP convention.

 
saulecker 2008-10-07 05:12:01 PM  
randomizetimer: I hate when a TFD goes green, it just ruins my TFD!

yeah, but this wasn't here a second ago....

MissFeasance: If you download the Farky extension or use the favorites section in your profile, you can do that yourself.

I've got the moderator in BRIGHT farkING RED!!! so I never miss what they say.

 
Surly_Duff [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:12:05 PM  
Drew:
Is it at all possible for a moderator respond to a person sending a "notify moderators about this thread" message?

I think I have only used it twice in my time here, but one time I did I was seemingly ignored, and I had no idea why (it was related to someone posting an awful image of a -not-photoshopped- corpse, and the image was never removed, to my knowledge).

I don't want to make more work, but that situation baffled me.

 
Cerebral Ballsy 2008-10-07 05:12:10 PM  
spidermann: aniktwo: randomizetimer: The Invisible Sky Wizard: Okay, what's up with the 12 year old Farker deal that folks keep bringing up? What epic trainwreck did I sadly miss out on this time?

It was a Total Fark Discussion, so no liters allowed.

Tell me please! I have been working too much to be on top of everything on TFD.

hahahahah!

Dude, she's 12.

Epic fail thread.


Please please please tell me what this was all about.

 
The_Sofa_of_Death [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:12:16 PM  
at80eighty: Drew: Parody threads are an upcoming topic

some (read: very few) are actually funny sometimes


My best ever submission was a parody thread, imo. Having said that I've only submitted about 3 links.

 
Barakku [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:12:16 PM  
aniktwo: Barakku: Um is it possible to make the page numbered thing into an on/off option? It's annoying to navigate to the bottom of the page constantly on my computer (no page down/end button in tablet mode) so the show all button seems a little annoying. Is this feature new today or have I just never seen it before? What point does it kick in?

Check your preferences, it should be in there. You should be able to turn it off or adjust it.


Oh, Vielen Dank, I see it. Doesn't work apparently though:
Comment viewing mode:
All comments on one page
All comments on one page, in reverse chronological order
Multiple pages, with comments per page -- beta feature; report bugs/issues here

Mine's on the first, doesn't seem to affect this thread. Maybe this's a test?

 
JOHNDX 2008-10-07 05:12:16 PM  
lemortede: I miss the old Fark.
Trolls and all.
Now everything is modded.
People are not as open or free with what they say.
Most of all I miss the Boobie threads.



This
barjockey: Drew

I have to know - I really do. Is there a certain "weight" put on certain Farkers' "greenlight-ability" that happen to be in good graces with Fark when they submit an article to be greenlighted? Is it really the completely random act of chance that it's made out to be? Or are some Farkers permanently banned to the greenlight shiatlist? C'mon - give me the dirty truth. I can handle it.


I doubt it, I was banned for over a year and I get lots of greenlights nowadays.

*smooches admins*

 
FTGodWin 2008-10-07 05:12:18 PM  
www.cuddlycats.net

 
aniktwo 2008-10-07 05:12:23 PM  
absoluteparanoia: aniktwo: Is this an e-peen discussion? You guys are cute. For reals.

Would you like to join?


No, I would totally lose on account that I created my account in 2007 and also I don't have a penis.

 
GregoryD 2008-10-07 05:12:27 PM  
Paryb: Login: Paryb
Fark account number: 408
Account created: 2000-09-08 (approx.)


Damn you!

I can claim I came here when logins didn't exist... (geek speak: Boobies other worlds board...) that is like paleontology fark.

 
tweekster [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:12:32 PM  
Raccoon Dog: The rule is, if you can't say something nice, be funny.

I thought the rule was to incorporate some an ethnic or sexist slur and post anyways.

 
fanbladesaresharp 2008-10-07 05:12:50 PM  
Everybody just got DrOwned.

Y'all are doing a fine job. Now STFU and GBTM (moderatin')

 
randomizetimer [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:12:54 PM  
aniktwo: randomizetimer: The Invisible Sky Wizard: Okay, what's up with the 12 year old Farker deal that folks keep bringing up? What epic trainwreck did I sadly miss out on this time?

It was a Total Fark Discussion, so no liters allowed.

Tell me please! I have been working too much to be on top of everything on TFD.


The thread was pulled before I could read it.

 
Fuel13 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:12:57 PM  
andyofne: bulldg4life: If there's one thing that should be removed, it is ALTs.

Good idea. Everyone should be identified by their first and last names.


Or first firstnameofstate of residence abbreviation.

 
aniktwo 2008-10-07 05:12:58 PM  
Paryb: aniktwo: makes me sound cool
//in theory

HAHA, that's like being the coolest kid at the LARP convention.


Is now the right time to say that I always wanted to LARP but I could never find anyone to do it with me?

/it's never a good time to admit that

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:12:59 PM  
stargazer101: Will the political bents of moderators and their ensuing biases towards greenlighting vs. redlighting be discussed? I hope so.

Not really. The short version is we keep a running count of how many greenlit liberal and conservative articles there are and green future ones trying to bring that count back to equal. The longer version is some people only see what they want to see, and that's not my area of expertise

 
melopene [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:13:12 PM  
Paryb:
'Scuse me while I whip this out...
Login: Paryb
Fark account number: 408
Account created: 2000-09-08 (approx.)

Internet, special olympics, yadda yadda yadda.

Oh, and what Hubiestubert said.


Nice, you even beat me.

 
DeanMoriarty 2008-10-07 05:13:13 PM  
absoluteparanoia: Drew lost money from me when you decided that it was better to leave my ban in place during my last two weeks as a TFer than to answer me and receive a repeat customer.

I won't get into the details of the ban--but it was completely f*cking absurd.


Ditto.

 
Solid State Vittles [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:13:16 PM  
bob_ross: hockeyfarker: There was one guy who looked at Solid State Vittles' shoes and SSV disabled all motor functions in one leg via a judo chop to the spinal cord. He let the guy choose which leg to lose, but just to f*ck with him he disabled the other one.

I heard that too except it was the arms. SSV hates Left-handers


Southpaws are the devil's minions. That's just common knowledge.

 
Stratigus64 2008-10-07 05:13:21 PM  
media.ebaumsworld.com
//linked at expected temperature of toast... I guess... does that make any sense?

 
aniktwo 2008-10-07 05:13:38 PM  
randomizetimer:

Tell me please! I have been working too much to be on top of everything on TFD.

The thread was pulled before I could read it.




Oh boo. I didn't realize it was deleted. Perhaps someone saved it.

 
nekom [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:14:02 PM  
My useless opinion for what it's worth: As it is now, this isn't a very difficult place to get a feel for what flies and what doesn't.

 
Owangotang 2008-10-07 05:14:02 PM  
DeanMoriarty: Just stating a fact since talking to an admin or moderator did nothing to help the situation. If they'd have rectified it I'd have paid up. Pretty simple.

I wasn't aiming that mini-rant at anyone in particular. I just don't get the whole idea that a place can be enjoyable for someone and then one isolated incident ruins it all. Misunderstandings happen.

 
MissFeasance [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:14:12 PM  
saulecker: I've got the moderator in BRIGHT farkING RED!!! so I never miss what they say.

Exactly.

 
hockeyfarker 2008-10-07 05:14:14 PM  
You should permasponsor FarkinHostile. That's what I say.

and clearly he can't be in the unit, Shiat talking Mushrooms. He's a lone wolf. A wild card. He can't be controlled.

 
saulecker 2008-10-07 05:14:22 PM  
mesohorny: the new pagination thing is cool.

no, it's not. It sucks balls. I hate it. srsly.

 
IdBeCrazyIf 2008-10-07 05:14:35 PM  
Cerebral Ballsy: spidermann: aniktwo: randomizetimer: The Invisible Sky Wizard: Okay, what's up with the 12 year old Farker deal that folks keep bringing up? What epic trainwreck did I sadly miss out on this time?

It was a Total Fark Discussion, so no liters allowed.

Tell me please! I have been working too much to be on top of everything on TFD.

hahahahah!

Dude, she's 12.

Epic fail thread.

Please please please tell me what this was all about.


EIP... apparently I created a farking monster last week some time.

/and got on a shiat list more than likely

 
geniusiknowit [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:14:47 PM  
Drew: Some have suggested that we create a darker section of Fark and just leave it alone altogether (with warnings when you were about to cross over).

That's what I thought Fark was... the darker version of Digg. (Or brighter version, if boobies bring sunshine into your life they way they do to mine.)

 
Weaver95 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:14:47 PM  
Drew: stargazer101: Will the political bents of moderators and their ensuing biases towards greenlighting vs. redlighting be discussed? I hope so.

Not really. The short version is we keep a running count of how many greenlit liberal and conservative articles there are and green future ones trying to bring that count back to equal. The longer version is some people only see what they want to see, and that's not my area of expertise


Ugh. no matter how well you try to be balanced on that issue, you'll never get it 'right'. someone will always think you're biased on way or the other.

 
JohnBigBootay 2008-10-07 05:14:58 PM  
DREW:

I like to do this once a year or so, so just bear with me....

Drew's posting in here! Say something to me, even if it's JohnBigBootay is a cock!

(considering the sheer volume you're dealing with, I'd say the site is well-moderated. Surprisingly so. I have no idea how you're gonna mod trolling - seems almost impossible. Then again I'm not very good at knowing who's kidding and who's not - sometimes I don;t think they know themselves)

 
sokeri 2008-10-07 05:14:58 PM  
RabidDog: sokeri: it's been PAINFULLY obvious to me when I am being watched.

Am I that obvious?

I shall attempt to be more stealthy.


img389.imageshack.us

 
spidermann [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:15:19 PM  
Cerebral Ballsy: spidermann: aniktwo: randomizetimer: The Invisible Sky Wizard: Okay, what's up with the 12 year old Farker deal that folks keep bringing up? What epic trainwreck did I sadly miss out on this time?

It was a Total Fark Discussion, so no liters allowed.

Tell me please! I have been working too much to be on top of everything on TFD.

hahahahah!

Dude, she's 12.

Epic fail thread.

Please please please tell me what this was all about.


Not sure the policy on this one, but will keep it as vague as possible. (Sorry Drew)

From what I remember:

Dude posted a thread about driving to another state (might have been upstate) to meet this "hawt" chick he met on the net. There was some discussion and crap. He said he wanted to have sex with her, but something didn't feel right about it. Can't remember exactly.

Ended up he told us she was 12. He was around 18/19 or so.

And that is when that short lived meme was born.

 
absoluteparanoia 2008-10-07 05:15:36 PM  
DeanMoriarty: Ditto.

And I don't want to seem like I'm talking out of both sides of my mouth here--I haven't given Drew one dime since. Been sponsored once or twice but that's it.

 
Lumoclear 2008-10-07 05:15:40 PM  
Drew, in addition to my previous posts, I say bring back the boobies. I like them too.

I'm just saying bring it back because in your own Fark Profile it says,

"Drew runs Fark. Drew likes boobies and beer. That's pretty much it."

 
saulecker 2008-10-07 05:15:41 PM  
ClarkstonCracker: don't click that link.

Well you made it un-clickable, ya ding dong.

 
danwiseman 2008-10-07 05:15:53 PM  
Fark rules. We have the geeky charm of slashdot and xkcd, the community spirit of something awful, the lulz of 4chan, and even occasionally have an intelligent conversation.

Fark is unique, and fark is great. Don't change a thing, drew!

 
hubiestubert [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:15:59 PM  
YouWinAgainGravity: Out of curiosity, does Farkback go to all the mods and admins, or is there a subset that handles that area, or does each category go to different people?

Very much so, this should be clearer. Who gets what mail?

Every response I've gotten back from Fark has been from Drew--and I have no idea who is getting what, and I feel like I'm bugging you for something that could be fixed by someone else, but the lack of information on who to contact makes that real difficult. And the lack of response by anyone else to an issue, or even a suggestion of where to send it to is frustrating.

Take that back--I had one response to an issue that was answered by someone other than Drew, and that was a login issue if I recall.

 
Shiat talking Mushrooms 2008-10-07 05:16:19 PM  
hockeyfarker: You should permasponsor FarkinHostile. That's what I say.

and clearly he can't be in the unit, Shiat talking Mushrooms. He's a lone wolf. A wild card. He can't be controlled.


yeah, i see that now. eventually he would've tried to eliminate me, but he isn't good with paperwork, so if anyone eliminates me, it's going to have to be you. for now, we'll leave him be.

for now...

 
fanbladesaresharp 2008-10-07 05:16:26 PM  
HA! Drew's become his own epic thread!

 
Weaver95 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:16:44 PM  
As regarding the politics tab discussions, I cannot stress strongly enough that we've got an ignore button for a reason. if someone really gets you hot and bothered, put them on ignore for the duration of the discussion. It's a tool - use it if you need it. I'm sure i've been marked on 'ignore' by quite a few people over the past year or so, but I don't take it personally.

 
FarkinHostile 2008-10-07 05:16:45 PM  
aniktwo

No, I would totally lose on account that I created my account in 2007 and also I don't have a penis.


I can help you with the last part.

 
that1guy77 2008-10-07 05:17:01 PM  
One F Jef: Who cares about moderating.


Let's talk about headline submitting, admins, and the greenlight/redlight system.

Admin Rules:


Greenlight articles which contain the following:

Lies about democrats.

Lies about liberalism.

Slander against democrats.

The following criteria must be present in the headline:

Bad spelling.

Lies about the content of the article.

Editorial suggestions about how bad democrats, liberals, and anyone who isn't a conservative republican.

Horrible grammar.

More lies.

Misrepresentation of facts (AKA Lies)

The following are what admins will not allow in a headline:

The truth.

The truth, particularly if it is negative towards republicans/conservatives.

Anything negative about republicans or conservatives.

Any headline which does not in some way denegrate Barack Obama.

Any headline which does not make fun of Ron Paul.

Any headline which does not contain lies.

The following websites are garaunteed a greenlight on fark:

Michelle Malkins blog.

John McCain campaign website.

Bill O'Reilly editorials.

The New Republic.

Little Green Footballs.

The Conservative Voice.

Focus on the Family blog.

Any website which caters to conservatives and discusses how liberalism and democrats are destroying America.

The following is how Fark pretends to be balanced or moderate:

Articles written on the Daily KOS which are poorly written or make democrats and liberals look like idiots shall be greenlit.

Articles written about Obama which make democrats look like drooling kool-aid drinkers shall be greenlit.

Articles which contain information which is already known due to the story being picked up by major news outlets and cannot be ignored or supressed, even if it contains negative information about Republicans, shall be reluctantly greenlit after trying very hard to suppress it.

Any article written from a democratic perspective that makes democrats look dumb shall be greenlit and Conservative farkers may then point to that article and discuss how incredibly balanced fark is.

Again, who cares about moderating, let's talk about how blatantly conservative fark is in the aggregating process.


Are you Farking joking? Republicans/Conservatives/Neo-Cons are slammed in just about every political thread. The entire Fark population is 75% liberal Democrats, Socialists... and a few Commies. Don't come here often, do you?

/Spies... they're everywhere!

 
Demon of the Fall 2008-10-07 05:17:03 PM  
saulecker: mesohorny: the new pagination thing is cool.

no, it's not. It sucks balls. I hate it. srsly.


Yeah, this is purely because this is a blog entry? Right? Right???

 
Barakku [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:17:21 PM  
skiptomyloop: Barakku: saulecker: Drew: It's an absolute nightmare all around. Politics are now roughly one third of all link submissions.

we kick the politics to the curve in TFD!

CURB.

for all intensive intents and purposes porpoises curve is fine but who axed you?


/Pet Peeve

 
sokeri 2008-10-07 05:17:49 PM  
Solid State Vittles: Southpaws are the devil's minions. That's just common knowledge.

but I only eat and write with my left!! everything else, I'm right handed. and when I say right handed, I mean right handed.

/no idea what that means.

 
Bunnya69 2008-10-07 05:17:49 PM  
Ugh. I have a monstrous migraine and I read the whole damn thing.

All I can say at this point is, "good to know".

Just one question: is it wrong to post a thread in TF begging for a sponsorship? Just curious. (because I may have to do this....I can't pay my rent...or buy food...blahblahblah)

 
bobbette 2008-10-07 05:18:08 PM  
palladiate's hair: bobbette: I suspect both campaigns have a dozen paid staffers working exclusively on internet messaging via email alerts to hundreds of astroturf net volunteers, to prop up everything from Youtube videos to Digg/Reddit to Facebook group-joining. Not that there's anything really wrong with that, but it makes for excruciatingly dull threads when someone shows up with the talking points du jour

When I was working on a local national House campaign, my strategy to canvas online forums and local media won me big brownie points and kudos. That was 2003-2004. It's a MAJOR part of the national strategies now. Very major.

I don't know how easily it can be stopped from the web end, but organized astroturfing is, in fact, the case.


Exactly. There are even companies specifically dedicated to astroturfing individual sites. There are people who make millions of dollars annually of getting higher Youtube views for advertisers.

It's insane. But I don't think anybody knows how to deal with this.

 
Raccoon Dog 2008-10-07 05:18:21 PM  
tweekster: I thought the rule was to incorporate some an ethnic or sexist slur and post anyways.

If you can do it funny. Man, you would not believe what you can get away with if you're funny.

/I'm not funny, so I try to be a good boy.

 
saulecker 2008-10-07 05:18:27 PM  
MissFeasance: Exactly.

i253.photobucket.com

 
doyner [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:18:39 PM  
Drew: stargazer101: Will the political bents of moderators and their ensuing biases towards greenlighting vs. redlighting be discussed? I hope so.

Not really. The short version is we keep a running count of how many greenlit liberal and conservative articles there are and green future ones trying to bring that count back to equal. The longer version is some people only see what they want to see, and that's not my area of expertise


I read a quote from you once addressing the absurdity of "equal time." Not that you were categorically opposed to it, but I was particularly surprised to see the implementation of the link "balancing" based on that statement. It would seem to me that seeking to average out political green lights lends itself to giving a lot of undeserving silliness a forum on your site.

 
Shiat talking Mushrooms 2008-10-07 05:19:04 PM  
Bunnya69:

Just one question: is it wrong to post a thread in TF begging for a sponsorship? Just curious. (because I may have to do this....I can't pay my rent...or buy food...blahblahblah)


if you can't pay your rent or buy food, you have no business wasting your time posting in a thread, TF or otherwise. get a second job in food service if you have to

 
Xystance 2008-10-07 05:19:09 PM  
Ok, I'm missing the whole "liters" meme.

Tsup with that?

 
Darth Invictus [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:19:28 PM  
I don't think I've been banned so far. I lurked for a long time getting a feel for the place.

Then again, I usually stick with making jokes and wisecracks, and stay away from making personal attacks because I like it here.

I save my fiery, acid-tongued wrath for other sites, where I piss people off and get banned for laughs.

 
at80eighty 2008-10-07 05:19:31 PM  
danwiseman: Fark rules. We have the geeky charm of slashdot and xkcd, the community spirit of something awful, the lulz of 4chan, and even occasionally have an intelligent conversation.

Fark is unique, and fark is great. Don't change a thing, drew!


nah, he doesnt give Totalfark accounts to brownnosers

and for all i know he just might, to make me look like an idiot

 
Nightjars 2008-10-07 05:19:43 PM  
doyner: Drew: stargazer101: Will the political bents of moderators and their ensuing biases towards greenlighting vs. redlighting be discussed? I hope so.

Not really. The short version is we keep a running count of how many greenlit liberal and conservative articles there are and green future ones trying to bring that count back to equal. The longer version is some people only see what they want to see, and that's not my area of expertise

I read a quote from you once addressing the absurdity of "equal time." Not that you were categorically opposed to it, but I was particularly surprised to see the implementation of the link "balancing" based on that statement. It would seem to me that seeking to average out political green lights lends itself to giving a lot of undeserving silliness a forum on your site.


I always thought of it more of giving equal opportunity to poke fun of both sides.. Since they're both fun to make fun of.

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:19:55 PM  
overlord_mike: Drew:

2) How 'bout calling out the assholes (repeat offenders) before booting them? Wouldn't that curb asshatism? (and give the rest of us a chuckle too)

We're trying to avoid making extra work for ourselves

there in lies the problem, if someone is abnned and don't know why how do you expect them to stop their behavior?


Part of this is dealt with in the why we don't discuss bans in threads upcoming but.

The other part of this is that sometimes we determine that there's no behavior change possible. The system is designed to eliminate these people. We do not believe it's possible for everyone to fit in here.

 
Paryb [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:19:56 PM  
Hey Drew, when you say these other things will be addressed in the 2nd or 3rd part of this discussion, do you mean later today, this week?

I'm sure you addressed that, but since I have the attention span of a gnat with ADD...

 
Raccoon Dog 2008-10-07 05:19:57 PM  
FarkinHostile: I can help you with the last part.

He can!!

 
absoluteparanoia 2008-10-07 05:20:26 PM  
Darth Invictus: Then again, I usually stick with making jokes and wisecracks, and stay away from making personal attacks because I like it here.

You don't need to post attacks to get a timeout.

 
Demon of the Fall 2008-10-07 05:20:29 PM  
Shiat talking Mushrooms: Bunnya69:

Just one question: is it wrong to post a thread in TF begging for a sponsorship? Just curious. (because I may have to do this....I can't pay my rent...or buy food...blahblahblah)

if you can't pay your rent or buy food, you have no business wasting your time posting in a thread, TF or otherwise. get a second job in food service if you have to


And get some new bootstraps to pull yourself up with.

 
CastorPimp 2008-10-07 05:20:43 PM  
aniktwo: absoluteparanoia: aniktwo: Is this an e-peen discussion? You guys are cute. For reals.

Would you like to join?

No, I would totally lose on account that I created my account in 2007 and also I don't have a penis.


How YOU doin'?

 
el_dudarino [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:21:17 PM  
Drew, I'm starting to get the feeling I am beyond help. Is this true?

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:21:26 PM  
FriarReb98: Okay, Drew, kind of a related question about things, it's come up lately in random TFD threads. Without getting too Tolstoy, I understand you have mods (& admins for that matter) working on the site, but it seems like at certain times that nothing happens for a while, things start snowballing out of control and then BOOM! Mod action. Are there dedicated mods on a schedule or some such thing, or is it more of a volunteer basis-i.e., if a mod's here, they catch it, if not, someone will eventually? Just curious, never actually seen an answer to this question....

Probably the singlemost thing that brings the mods in is the totalfark narc feature. Consider the ramifications.

I'll address this further in an upcoming section

 
Bunnya69 2008-10-07 05:21:27 PM  
Shiat talking Mushrooms: Bunnya69:

Just one question: is it wrong to post a thread in TF begging for a sponsorship? Just curious. (because I may have to do this....I can't pay my rent...or buy food...blahblahblah)

if you can't pay your rent or buy food, you have no business wasting your time posting in a thread, TF or otherwise. get a second job in food service if you have to


Not an option.

And that's all I'm going to say about that.

 
FleaRHCP 2008-10-07 05:21:37 PM  
I feel like I was invited to a house party that in the past years was fun, full of boobies, beer, and shenanigans, paid my $5 to get in, only to find out the fun guy who used to live there had moved and the new "party" was being run by a bunch of Mormons...

 
Barakku [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:21:50 PM  
Xystance: Ok, I'm missing the whole "liters" meme.

Tsup with that?


webspace.utexas.edu

 
Anti_illuminati [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:22:23 PM  
Drew: overlord_mike: Drew:

2) How 'bout calling out the assholes (repeat offenders) before booting them? Wouldn't that curb asshatism? (and give the rest of us a chuckle too)

We're trying to avoid making extra work for ourselves

there in lies the problem, if someone is abnned and don't know why how do you expect them to stop their behavior?

Part of this is dealt with in the why we don't discuss bans in threads upcoming but.

The other part of this is that sometimes we determine that there's no behavior change possible. The system is designed to eliminate these people. We do not believe it's possible for everyone to fit in here.


So how about a limit on alts, perhaps via IP address.

/is that even possible??

 
CrazyCurt [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:22:29 PM  
The secret is ...

Bacon.

Mmmmmmmmm, bacon.

 
mesmer242 2008-10-07 05:22:37 PM  
I've never been banned (to my knowledge, anyway), so I can't really say anything about that. I wouldn't know how to offend anyone even if I wanted to try around here. The bar is just too high (low?). If people are getting banned without being told why as mentioned in this thread, though, then that should be remedied, in my opinion. Can't fix your behavior if you don't know what to fix.

But in regards to the fark vs. TFD part of the discussion... I guess I'm in the minority about TFD. I got sponsored last month, so I stop in at TFD from time to time, but quite frankly, I find the tone to be too dark in a good chunk of the threads. Some of the threads are interesting and have a sense of community, but some of them devolve into personal attacks between various people, and nothing ever seems to be done about it. I just stay out of it, but I really don't get it, and it definitely doesn't make me want to join up for real. Even though regular fark is rougher around the edges in general, at least the attacks are usually in regards to people's opinions, and not posters personally.

Just something to think about.

 
HunterNIU 2008-10-07 05:22:46 PM  
Drew: We do not believe it's possible for everyone to fit in here.

But I want to so bad...

 
im_naked_right_now 2008-10-07 05:22:49 PM  
I'll be hanging out in the thread for a bit but I'm doing 100 other things atm so some responses may be slow.



I watch too much porn

 
el_dudarino [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:22:57 PM  
Anti_illuminati: So how about a limit on alts, perhaps via IP address.

Yup

 
RabidDog [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:23:06 PM  
When is part 2 going to be?

Why don't you care about us poor Europeans?

 
Shiat talking Mushrooms 2008-10-07 05:23:07 PM  
Bunnya69:

Not an option.

And that's all I'm going to say about that.


fair enough. but if your situation is that dire, sell your computer. point is, TF should be the ABSOLUTE MOTHERF*CKING LAST THING ON YOUR MIND if you can't afford rent or food

 
NittLion78 2008-10-07 05:23:21 PM  
pwhp_67: NittLion78: give me the ultimate power and I won't greenlight another one until the 1st Wednesday in November.


Oh joy. Knowing you they'll have nothing but articles on Jell-O wrestling for the next month...


you act like this wouldn't be an upgrade in discourse in American politics

 
Barakku [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:23:28 PM  
IdahoPrime: Xystance: Ok, I'm missing the whole "liters" meme.

Tsup with that?

TF'ers pay money for a tag, and in return they get to slog through a shiatload of horrible submissions, probably some other shiat, not really worth it but it makes them feel like they're special or something.
Liters refers to us who don't want to pay money and don't get to see pages after pages of the same f'ing story submitted with over 9000 different headlines.

To each his own.


There's also TFD, where TFers have their own discussions, word games, T oR D, ect, and nice filters for the 9000 submissions.

/There's no WAY that can be right
//It's actually pretty readable

 
el_dudarino [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:23:46 PM  
mesmer242: but some of them devolve into personal attacks between various people, and nothing ever seems to be done about it.

If you hung around more, you'd learn that most of that is a joke

 
ginger ninja 2008-10-07 05:23:52 PM  
Bunnya69: Just one question: is it wrong to post a thread in TF begging for a sponsorship? Just curious. (because I may have to do this....I can't pay my rent...or buy food...blahblahblah)

expect to get biatchslapped

 
Solid State Vittles [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:24:04 PM  
sokeri: but I only eat and write with my left!! everything else, I'm right handed. and when I say right handed, I mean right handed.

/no idea what that means.


You shall be spared.

 
FarkinHostile 2008-10-07 05:24:40 PM  
IdahoPrime

TF'ers pay money for a tag, and in return they get to slog through a shiatload of horrible submissions, probably some other shiat, not really worth it but it makes them feel like they're special or something.


Total Fark Discussion (TFD) is worth the $5 alone. Screw all of the extra submissions, they are easy to ignore, but the buffoonery in TFD is pretty good.

It WILL effect your at work productivity. You have been warned.

 
goeniegoegoe [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:24:44 PM  
RabidDog: Why don't you care about us poor Europeans?

Seconded. We need attention too dammitz!1!

 
AppleOptionEsc 2008-10-07 05:25:01 PM  
Actually, now that I read the FarQ again, the images posting guidelines are pretty good. So what is the dealy-oh with the car accident pics and the free cat one?

 
PenguinTheRed [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:25:13 PM  
I wasn't aware there was any moderation beyond booting people who are obvious trolls or post porn in threads. I suspect anybody running into multiple encounters with the mods here suffer from an unwarranted scene of self importance and need to calm the hell down.

 
el_dudarino [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:25:27 PM  
goeniegoegoe: Seconded. We need attention too dammitz!1!

Shut up Dutchie

 
sokeri 2008-10-07 05:25:33 PM  
Solid State Vittles: sokeri: but I only eat and write with my left!! everything else, I'm right handed. and when I say right handed, I mean right handed.

/no idea what that means.

You shall be spared.


I knew you loved me.

 
Aphrodisiac 2008-10-07 05:25:36 PM  
Now that Fark has been around for 10 years, it seems that it has been slowly drifting away from some of the ideas and styles that made it such a fun place and contributed to its initial success. In the mean time Drew, the mods, and the rest of the world have also aged 10 years. Like a house party, it can get out of control if it gets to big and starts spilling out into the streets, but its seems there is more too it. How much does just getting old and cranky, doing this for ten years, pleasing sponsors, trying to pay bills, keeping the lawyers at bay, etc play into some of the more recent happenings?

Come on, the Pickle Incident was pretty epic, but could something like that really happen again? IMHO, people just need to lighten up a little.

/couldn't imagine moderating the cluster fark that is Fark

 
Anti_illuminati [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:25:38 PM  
el_dudarino: Anti_illuminati: So how about a limit on alts, perhaps via IP address.

Yup


Oh, no shiat.

PS: Adult Language Filter. I'm sick of sounding like a farking geek gansta, shiat.

 
oxycodon 2008-10-07 05:25:38 PM  
saulecker: [link to some pic of a possible moderator comment...]

I can see something like that attracting the wrong type of attention. Someone (ok, a lot of people) would turn it into a game of baiting the moderator into making comments.

 
make me some tea [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:25:41 PM  
goeniegoegoe: RabidDog: Why don't you care about us poor Europeans?

Seconded. We need attention too dammitz!1!


You people pay in pounds and euros. Your money's no good here.

 
Owangotang 2008-10-07 05:25:43 PM  
mesmer242: But in regards to the fark vs. TFD part of the discussion... I guess I'm in the minority about TFD. I got sponsored last month, so I stop in at TFD from time to time, but quite frankly, I find the tone to be too dark in a good chunk of the threads. Some of the threads are interesting and have a sense of community, but some of them devolve into personal attacks between various people, and nothing ever seems to be done about it. I just stay out of it, but I really don't get it, and it definitely doesn't make me want to join up for real. Even though regular fark is rougher around the edges in general, at least the attacks are usually in regards to people's opinions, and not posters personally.

Just something to think about.


TFD is like walking a tightrope between skyscrapers with people shooting paintballs at you from all side, only the paintballs are actually filled with sulfuric acid. It ain't necessarily easy.

Some just have a innate ability to make it across that tightrope though.

 
Weaver95 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:26:22 PM  
PenguinTheRed: I wasn't aware there was any moderation beyond booting people who are obvious trolls or post porn in threads. I suspect anybody running into multiple encounters with the mods here suffer from an unwarranted scene of self importance and need to calm the hell down.

you've never opened up the politics threads here on fark, have you?

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:26:23 PM  
I think the meanies need to shut up and quit being so mean to me.

 
HunterNIU 2008-10-07 05:26:25 PM  
Drew:
Probably the singlemost thing that brings the mods in is the totalfark narc feature. Consider the ramifications.


Speaking of that is the narc feature not just for TF anymore???

[narc]
because my TF account expired, and I can't renew it until next pay day, and I still have the narc feature... at least in this thread.

i46.photobucket.com
[/narc]

 
Deveyn [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:26:25 PM  
Anti_illuminati: /is that even possible??

IP bans have the unfortunate side effect of blocking everyone else who may be using that IP address.

Anyone behind a transparent proxy would also be affected.

 
Raccoon Dog 2008-10-07 05:26:36 PM  
mesmer242: I find the tone to be too dark in a good chunk of the threads.

really?

some of them devolve into personal attacks between various people

They might just be bantering...I don't know. I never saw it that way.

Oh, wait, you weren't talking to me. Oh well.

 
Senor Awesome 2008-10-07 05:26:43 PM  
Anti_illuminati: So how about a limit on alts, perhaps via IP address.

Yeah, great. Cause that works so well for Wikipedia.

 
el_dudarino [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:26:44 PM  
Anti_illuminati: Oh, no shiat.

PS: Adult Language Filter. I'm sick of sounding like a farking geek gansta, shiat.


What you talkin bout nubian?

 
HoratioGates 2008-10-07 05:26:57 PM  
To the couple of people who complained about the lack of booby links might I suggest foobies.com? It's Fark!

Sometimes trolls are fun. It's important to know the difference though between trolling to provoke thought (playing Devil's advocate), ironic sarcasm and trolling to provoke thought, and pure trolling for the sake of destroying intelligent discussion.

 
RabidDog [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:27:19 PM  
make me some tea: You people pay in pounds and euros. Your money's no good here.

So you paying on the 23rd, good deal man!

 
saulecker 2008-10-07 05:27:22 PM  
RabidDog: Why don't you care about us poor Europeans?

because SHUT THE HELL UP that's why

 
Rev. Skarekroe [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:28:02 PM  
I'm only posting here because this thread is so incredibly long and I feel like I should.

/been banned a few times
//one time I appealed and got it rescinded - yay me!

 
Weaver95 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:28:16 PM  
Drew - fark needs a gamer tab. Just 'sayin is all. If I had one wish, that'd be it. Oh, and the 'no alts' policy too. wait - that's two wishes. dammit!

Ok, no alts IN the gamer tab! yeah! Ok, that'll work.

 
doyner [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:28:27 PM  
HoratioGates: To the couple of people who complained about the lack of booby links might I suggest foobies.com? It's Fark!

Sometimes trolls are fun. It's important to know the difference though between trolling to provoke thought (playing Devil's advocate), ironic sarcasm and trolling to provoke thought, and pure trolling for the sake of destroying intelligent discussion.


Great. Another alt we have to deal with...

 
Deveyn [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:28:31 PM  
Aphrodisiac: Come on, the Pickle Incident was pretty epic, but could something like that really happen again?

A lot of the past epic threads have vanished as well.

 
Demon of the Fall 2008-10-07 05:28:58 PM  
Just noticed the "Show All Feature". Good call including that.

 
bob_ross [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:29:16 PM  
Approved Newsflash Tag?

meh, maybe not...

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:29:22 PM  
Frank N Stein: Drew:

For submitting a political news article, you guys recently added that "Commie, Neutral, Fascist" selection. Was that just for shiats and giggles, or do you guys actually look at that when decided whether or not to green light something?


We do, on weeks where we're running behind on commie links we greenlight more of them to catch up. And vice versa

 
Cerebral Ballsy 2008-10-07 05:29:26 PM  
You might want to send people a warning before you ban them, in cases where the ban is for something trivial. When I log on drunk, I have a tendency to threadjack, but a ban without warning is a little harsh, especially if you're paying for TotalFark. You don't even find out you're banned until the next day, and by that time, you're sober and wondering what the hell you did that was so bad. After the second or third time, I basically stopped buying TotalFark. The only time I carry the tag is when a stranger gives me a gift now.

It's slightly over-moderated, but a great site otherwise.

 
Weaver95 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:29:29 PM  
Rev. Skarekroe: I'm only posting here because this thread is so incredibly long and I feel like I should.

/been banned a few times
//one time I appealed and got it rescinded - yay me!


If you really want to know how to get banninated, email me off list. I've a couple ideas that would be epic to try! of course...you'd never post on fark ever again, but you'd go out in style.

 
skiptomyloop [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:30:04 PM  
mesmer242: I've never been banned (to my knowledge, anyway), so I can't really say anything about that. I wouldn't know how to offend anyone even if I wanted to try around here. The bar is just too high (low?). If people are getting banned without being told why as mentioned in this thread, though, then that should be remedied, in my opinion. Can't fix your behavior if you don't know what to fix.

But in regards to the fark vs. TFD part of the discussion... I guess I'm in the minority about TFD. I got sponsored last month, so I stop in at TFD from time to time, but quite frankly, I find the tone to be too dark in a good chunk of the threads. Some of the threads are interesting and have a sense of community, but some of them devolve into personal attacks between various people, and nothing ever seems to be done about it. I just stay out of it, but I really don't get it, and it definitely doesn't make me want to join up for real. Even though regular fark is rougher around the edges in general, at least the attacks are usually in regards to people's opinions, and not posters personally.

Just something to think about.


Hey StM we got another live one over here

 
saulecker 2008-10-07 05:30:05 PM  
oxycodon: I can see something like that attracting the wrong type of attention.

It's been going on at TFD for a while and this doesn't really happen. At least not that I've noticed. I personally love the moderator comments and the admin comments when things get deleted:

i253.photobucket.com

 
Rozinante 2008-10-07 05:30:21 PM  
MissFeasance: saulecker: I've got the moderator in BRIGHT farkING RED!!! so I never miss what they say.

Exactly.


I've got gorgor in red. Mostly because he amuses me, but also so I don't click on his links at work. Disturbing guy, but he's not trying to hurt anyone.

 
Geotpf 2008-10-07 05:30:32 PM  
I've posted some stupid things over the years, but I've never been banned. I think I've been warned a couple times, but never banned. So I can't imagine what type of nonsense somebody has to do to actually get banned, even for a short period, not to mention permanently.

That is-Keep up the good work!

 
AlwaysRightBoy [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:30:38 PM  
Weaver95: As regarding the politics tab discussions, I cannot stress strongly enough that we've got an ignore button for a reason. if someone really gets you hot and bothered, put them on ignore for the duration of the discussion. It's a tool - use it if you need it. I'm sure i've been marked on 'ignore' by quite a few people over the past year or so, but I don't take it personally.

Q: How do you know you're on someone's fav or ignore list? Is it just for the thread? Is it on always? I have never used it.

 
CastorPimp 2008-10-07 05:30:39 PM  
leftyblonde: I think the meanies need to shut up and quit being so mean to me.

Get back to the kitchen and I'll give you a pat on the bum

 
goeniegoegoe [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:30:49 PM  
Drew: on weeks where we're running behind on commie links

hehehe

 
pwhp_67 2008-10-07 05:30:51 PM  
goeniegoegoe: RabidDog: Why don't you care about us poor Europeans?

Seconded. We need attention too dammitz!1!



Hey! This is America and don't you forget it...

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:30:52 PM  
I thought we weren't supposed to talk about bananas in here.

 
Barakku [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:30:59 PM  
Senor Awesome: Anti_illuminati: So how about a limit on alts, perhaps via IP address.

Yeah, great. Cause that works so well for Wikipedia.


You shut your whore mouth when wikipedia is talking.

Weaver95: Drew - fark needs a gamer tab. Just 'sayin is all. If I had one wish, that'd be it. Oh, and the 'no alts' policy too. wait - that's two wishes. dammit!

Ok, no alts IN the gamer tab! yeah! Ok, that'll work.


This'd be nice, but isn't that basically geek? Like 50% of geek is at leasst semi gaming related.
/Havie you PSN or steam ID? :P

 
make me some tea [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:31:12 PM  
Cerebral Ballsy: You might want to send people a warning before you ban them, in cases where the ban is for something trivial. When I log on drunk, I have a tendency to threadjack, but a ban without warning is a little harsh, especially if you're paying for TotalFark. You don't even find out you're banned until the next day, and by that time, you're sober and wondering what the hell you did that was so bad. After the second or third time, I basically stopped buying TotalFark. The only time I carry the tag is when a stranger gives me a gift now.

It's slightly over-moderated, but a great site otherwise.


This is a recurring theme in this discussion. So far I've never seen a response on this.

 
Laz Long [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:31:36 PM  
I don't have time to read through all of this, but I do have a suggestion (sorry if someone already said it)

How about a sample of deleted threads? I've witnessed a couple but I have no idea what triggered the deletion of any of them.

 
melopene [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:31:40 PM  
HoratioGates: To the couple of people who complained about the lack of booby links might I suggest foobies.com? It's Fark!

I'm more concerned with the lack of weeners links. It's not like I have a giant collection of WIE, and you don't even see that many link submissions. Come on, Farkettes and Farqueers, we can do better than this. A single girl needs some good entertainment!

 
geniusiknowit [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:31:44 PM  
AlwaysRightBoy: Q: How do you know you're on someone's fav or ignore list? Is it just for the thread? Is it on always? I have never used it.

You can tell by the way you feel.

 
ginger ninja 2008-10-07 05:31:55 PM  
leftyblonde: I think the meanies need to shut up and quit being so mean to me.

LOOK AN ARROW! LOVE ME!

 
mesmer242 2008-10-07 05:31:57 PM  
el_dudarino: mesmer242: but some of them devolve into personal attacks between various people, and nothing ever seems to be done about it.

If you hung around more, you'd learn that most of that is a joke


I guess I'm giving an outsider's perspective then. None of it has ever been aimed at me- it's just that the tone in some threads isn't a draw for me. It doesn't make me want to stick around and hang out, if that makes any sense.

I saw that somebody asked that they'd like clarification on what TFD should be used for.. that'd probably help me out as well. I'm unlikely to submit anything, but it'd still be good to know.

 
basemetal [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:32:02 PM  
leftyblonde: I think the meanies need to shut up and quit being so mean to me.

I could never be mean to someone who posts such awsome pics. Here's an arrow.

 
Shiat talking Mushrooms 2008-10-07 05:32:03 PM  
skiptomyloop: mesmer242: I've never been banned (to my knowledge, anyway), so I can't really say anything about that. I wouldn't know how to offend anyone even if I wanted to try around here. The bar is just too high (low?). If people are getting banned without being told why as mentioned in this thread, though, then that should be remedied, in my opinion. Can't fix your behavior if you don't know what to fix.

But in regards to the fark vs. TFD part of the discussion... I guess I'm in the minority about TFD. I got sponsored last month, so I stop in at TFD from time to time, but quite frankly, I find the tone to be too dark in a good chunk of the threads. Some of the threads are interesting and have a sense of community, but some of them devolve into personal attacks between various people, and nothing ever seems to be done about it. I just stay out of it, but I really don't get it, and it definitely doesn't make me want to join up for real. Even though regular fark is rougher around the edges in general, at least the attacks are usually in regards to people's opinions, and not posters personally.

Just something to think about.

Hey StM we got another live one over here


throw that egg out, i don't like mine soft-boiled

 
Anti_illuminati [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:32:03 PM  
Deveyn: Anti_illuminati: /is that even possible??

IP bans have the unfortunate side effect of blocking everyone else who may be using that IP address.

Anyone behind a transparent proxy would also be affected.


Ahhhh, good point. So, what do you estimate would be the collateral damage of IP bans, on Fark in particular?

 
goeniegoegoe [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:32:12 PM  
Lefty, did you see my plea for longer LP threads?

 
Barakku [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:32:15 PM  
Drew: Frank N Stein: Drew:

For submitting a political news article, you guys recently added that "Commie, Neutral, Fascist" selection. Was that just for shiats and giggles, or do you guys actually look at that when decided whether or not to green light something?

We do, on weeks where we're running behind on commie links we greenlight more of them to catch up. And vice versa


LOL, this is part of why I love fark.
That and having a non-shiatball (4chan) site to waste time in class/ect in.

 
overlord_mike 2008-10-07 05:32:16 PM  
Drew:

Part of this is dealt with in the why we don't discuss bans in threads upcoming but.

The other part of this is that sometimes we determine that there's no behavior change possible. The system is designed to eliminate these people. We do not believe it's possible for everyone to fit in here.


Thanks for responding even though my post was poorly worded.

my next question is this, if someone is banned and they ask for "forgiveness" and promise to change and they remain banned doesn't this breed i'll will towards you guys, it comes off bad.
your saying you'd throw away the key

 
CastorPimp 2008-10-07 05:32:24 PM  
HoratioGates: To the couple of people who complained about the lack of booby links might I suggest foobies.com? It's Fark!

Sometimes trolls are fun. It's important to know the difference though between trolling to provoke thought (playing Devil's advocate), ironic sarcasm and trolling to provoke thought, and pure trolling for the sake of destroying intelligent discussion.


foobies is just not the same. notice how they all have (0) comments?

 
nekom [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:32:28 PM  
saulecker: It's been going on at TFD for a while and this doesn't really happen. At least not that I've noticed. I personally love the moderator comments and the admin comments when things get deleted:

I love that addition as well. Saw one awhile back where the admin comment was `LOL WUT?' Farking priceless.

 
saulecker 2008-10-07 05:32:45 PM  
pwhp_67: Hey! This is America and don't you forget it...

I'd be interested in knowing how many Canadians there are on fark... there sure do seem to be a lot of them.

 
absoluteparanoia 2008-10-07 05:32:54 PM  
make me some tea: This is a recurring theme in this discussion. So far I've never seen a response on this.

Me neither, but I guess it's "coming up in the next discussion" that Drew is keeping secret until he posts it.

 
doyner [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:32:54 PM  
Weaver95: Rev. Skarekroe: I'm only posting here because this thread is so incredibly long and I feel like I should.

/been banned a few times
//one time I appealed and got it rescinded - yay me!

If you really want to know how to get banninated, email me off list. I've a couple ideas that would be epic to try! of course...you'd never post on fark ever again, but you'd go out in style.


I have seen one person TRULY go out with panache. It was so spectacular, I was afraid of being permabanned for just commenting on it!

Not that I condone that kind of thing.

 
bigwill64 2008-10-07 05:32:55 PM  
randomizetimer: Drew, Can TFers get a ignore the liters button?

ok, seriously...ive done the tfer thing and all it got me was more reading material...

sorry but your $5 a month doesn't make you special.

//mostly just here to get a kick out of replies

 
ginger ninja 2008-10-07 05:32:58 PM  
make me some tea: Cerebral Ballsy: You might want to send people a warning before you ban them, in cases where the ban is for something trivial. When I log on drunk, I have a tendency to threadjack, but a ban without warning is a little harsh, especially if you're paying for TotalFark. You don't even find out you're banned until the next day, and by that time, you're sober and wondering what the hell you did that was so bad. After the second or third time, I basically stopped buying TotalFark. The only time I carry the tag is when a stranger gives me a gift now.

It's slightly over-moderated, but a great site otherwise.

This is a recurring theme in this discussion. So far I've never seen a response on this.


or a response about the badow shans

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:33:06 PM  
ginger ninja: leftyblonde: I think the meanies need to shut up and quit being so mean to me.

LOOK AN ARROW! LOVE ME!


i59.photobucket.com

 
basemetal [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:33:07 PM  
basemetal: leftyblonde: I think the meanies need to shut up and quit being so mean to me.

I could never be mean to someone who posts such awsome pics. Here's an arrow.


And I could learn how to spell awesome.

 
Cerebral Ballsy 2008-10-07 05:33:08 PM  
spidermann: Dude posted a thread about driving to another state (might have been upstate) to meet this "hawt" chick he met on the net. There was some discussion and crap. He said he wanted to have sex with her, but something didn't feel right about it. Can't remember exactly.

Ended up he told us she was 12. He was around 18/19 or so.

And that is when that short lived meme was born.


OMG. Reminds me of the "I'm getting married and all of Fark is invited" thread.. only to come to find out she'd never met the groom in real life.

 
goeniegoegoe [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:33:19 PM  
saulecker: there sure do seem to be a lot of them.

Indeed, way too much.

 
Weaver95 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:33:45 PM  
Barakku: This'd be nice, but isn't that basically geek? Like 50% of geek is at leasst semi gaming related.
/Havie you PSN or steam ID? :P


I dunno...I try to keep my more technical crap outta my gamer hobby. And there's like a billion little subcultures within gamerdom (desktop, console, FPS, RPG, Tabletop, Strategy, wargames (historical AND otherwise), sci-fi, fantasy, etc).

 
thebigmike1983 2008-10-07 05:33:56 PM  
My thoughts on random stuff:
Pictures in theads: There's a "turn pictures to links" option. Use it. Don't come into a thread about boobies then biatch that the pics are semi-NSFW. Except with that pickle incident. THAT was just hilariously wrong.

Moderation: I guess I've been lucky. I've had some threads pulled, but not much punishment. Just by guessing, it's because it doesn't happen often. Admins/Mods generally ignoring you is a blessing, even if it doesn't help oneself get greenlit often.

A "NSFW" Fark: Go to 4chan.

 
saulecker 2008-10-07 05:34:06 PM  
leftyblonde: bananas

THE SAFE WORD HAS BEEN SPOKEN, EVERYONE OUT!

 
Raccoon Dog 2008-10-07 05:34:10 PM  
saulecker: I personally love the moderator comments and the admin comments when things get deleted:

Those are funny!

mesmer242: Just something to think about.

oh, and I think I know what you're talking about. In certain threads, one group of people always gets annoyed by another group of people.

Them not getting along is actually kind of amusing, if you don't get involved or empathize with any of them. It's like when ants fight each other.

 
doyner [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:34:21 PM  
leftyblonde: I thought we weren't supposed to talk about bananas in here.

Drew needs to make YOU a modmin.

 
spidermann [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:34:24 PM  
Cerebral Ballsy: spidermann: Dude posted a thread about driving to another state (might have been upstate) to meet this "hawt" chick he met on the net. There was some discussion and crap. He said he wanted to have sex with her, but something didn't feel right about it. Can't remember exactly.

Ended up he told us she was 12. He was around 18/19 or so.

And that is when that short lived meme was born.

OMG. Reminds me of the "I'm getting married and all of Fark is invited" thread.. only to come to find out she'd never met the groom in real life.


hahahaha! that was epic fail as well.

 
NittLion78 2008-10-07 05:34:40 PM  
Cerebral Ballsy: OMG. Reminds me of the "I'm getting married and all of Fark is invited" thread.. only to come to find out she'd never met the groom in real life.

img116.imageshack.us

 
Ziggy_Stardust 2008-10-07 05:34:48 PM  
Wow, a multi-part series. I haven't been this excited since Roots was on!!!

 
el_dudarino [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:34:48 PM  
mandingueiro: /banananation??

You shut your whore mouth about that cesspool

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:34:52 PM  
basemetal: leftyblonde: I think the meanies need to shut up and quit being so mean to me.

I could never be mean to someone who posts such awsome pics. Here's an arrow.


aw, thankies and spankies!

goeniegoegoe: Lefty, did you see my plea for longer LP threads?

but you never post in them anymore. :- /

 
bob_ross [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:34:58 PM  
Drew can we get a search function for every link user has posted in or submitted? The history is way too short sometimes.

 
MissFeasance [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:35:00 PM  
saulecker: It's been going on at TFD for a while and this doesn't really happen. At least not that I've noticed. I personally love the moderator comments and the admin comments when things get deleted:

Me too.

img.photobucket.com

 
larsoncc 2008-10-07 05:35:12 PM  
I've met a lot of people on Fark, but never been to a Fark Party.

See, it's randomness like this post that I enjoy. You don't have to be 100% on topic to be heard on an equal level with the owner of the site.

That's what makes Fark unique. It works - I'm not sure I'd run a site like that... ever... but it does seem to work for Fark.

Good job Drew.

 
Cerebral Ballsy 2008-10-07 05:35:24 PM  
Weaver95: As regarding the politics tab discussions, I cannot stress strongly enough that we've got an ignore button for a reason. if someone really gets you hot and bothered, put them on ignore for the duration of the discussion. It's a tool - use it if you need it. I'm sure i've been marked on 'ignore' by quite a few people over the past year or so, but I don't take it personally.

As one of the people who can still see your posts, I've been sent to tell you that 98% of Fark has you on perma-ignore.

 
JOHNDX 2008-10-07 05:35:26 PM  
It isn't really a party til someone gets naked

 
Sumdumfarkr 2008-10-07 05:35:31 PM  
Signing in here since I read the original post.
With THAT in mind,I'll try not be a dick.

/Places to go, things to do...

 
AlwaysRightBoy [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:35:55 PM  
geniusiknowit: AlwaysRightBoy: Q: How do you know you're on someone's fav or ignore list? Is it just for the thread? Is it on always? I have never used it.

You can tell by the way you feel.


I lost all feeling back in the 70's.
whoa...whoa...whoa

 
at80eighty 2008-10-07 05:36:05 PM  
Weaver, the last thing a site of people not getting laid needs, is a WoW guild

 
garulee [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:36:07 PM  
I like this place. Let's follow the rules. I don't want to have to leave.

 
Kygz 2008-10-07 05:36:09 PM  
I got banned once for something that I had seen in many threads before so, obviously, I was surprised. Now that I know that that type of content is not welcome in threads I won't post it. My ban wasn't long, just enough to make me pout, and it got the desired result. I think Drew is trying to find the right lines to toe and how to enforce the lines when they are crossed. I think he's doing a great job with a difficult task, especially when multiple people doing the job and it can be hard to be consistent from what one mod feels is out of line and what another does.

I don't always like what is allowed and what gets yanked, but it isn't my house so I'll try not to get mud on the carpet.

 
goeniegoegoe [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:36:12 PM  
JOHNDX: It isn't really a party til someone gets naked

What would you know about nekkid chicks???!?

 
Rev. Skarekroe [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:36:13 PM  
Weaver95: If you really want to know how to get banninated, email me off list. I've a couple ideas that would be epic to try! of course...you'd never post on fark ever again, but you'd go out in style.

Nah, like I said, I've already been banned a few times. I've got a pretty good idea of how to do it.
Thanks for the offer, though.

 
whereisian 2008-10-07 05:36:20 PM  
Drew: We do, on weeks where we're running behind on commie links we greenlight more of them to catch up. And vice versa

I think this needs to be dropped. Submissions should be done on the merits of the lulz or newsworthiness. It contributes to divisiveness. Interesting idea, but I don't think it's worked out how you envisioned it.

Love it or loathe it, fark is part of the media, one that (if rumours are to be believed) is heavily frequented by the very media members it roasts.

 
Anti_illuminati [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:36:39 PM  
Do you ever get requests for banning usernames?

I bet the republican campaign would pay $$$$$ to ban the user "Sarah Palin".

/and I'd take it

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:36:55 PM  
doyner: leftyblonde: I thought we weren't supposed to talk about bananas in here.

Drew needs to make YOU a modmin.


I can't even get that guy to say "Hello!" to me.

I think he has me on "ignore"!

 
Deveyn [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:37:05 PM  
Anti_illuminati: So, what do you estimate would be the collateral damage of IP bans, on Fark in particular?

I'd have to spend some time analyzing the logs of my image host to even come close to something.

However I'll say that IP bans are not very effective for a number of reasons. There are much better ways utilizing multiple tracking methodologies that work far better than just a straight IP ban.

 
wdelv 2008-10-07 05:37:10 PM  
For us sheltered innocent ones out here, what is trolling?

 
heap [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:37:12 PM  
that's a whole lot of words to say 'we let our cats decide'.

 
NittLion78 2008-10-07 05:37:16 PM  
at80eighty: Weaver, the last thing a site of people not getting laid needs, is a WoW guild

at some point you have to admit that you can't squeeze water from a rock, but at least be happy that you have a rock to squeeze

 
Eeek [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:37:25 PM  
The farkbacks go to those of us who are not as drunk. However, they are mostly responded to this way:

Maybe its the beer talking Farkbackee, but you've got a butt that won't quit. They've got these big chewy pretzels here that are... (random mumbling) ...five dollars?! Get outta here!

 
Barakku [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:37:27 PM  
Weaver95: Barakku: This'd be nice, but isn't that basically geek? Like 50% of geek is at leasst semi gaming related.
/Havie you PSN or steam ID? :P

I dunno...I try to keep my more technical crap outta my gamer hobby. And there's like a billion little subcultures within gamerdom (desktop, console, FPS, RPG, Tabletop, Strategy, wargames (historical AND otherwise), sci-fi, fantasy, etc).


Subcultures suck, I just like to know what's comming out, and whats good, without bias. Though I usually avoid news for nintendo based stuff anymore...

/I mean...something on topic

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:37:46 PM  
aerojockey: Drew lies. When I had my first timeout it was for a year. I guess they spilled beer on the server.

That was initially an attempt to get someone to respond to Farkback. Then we realized that it was just easier and much less confusing to say "write to Farkback". you won't see that happen anymore

 
Dancin_In_Anson [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:37:57 PM  
larsoncc: I've met a lot of people on Fark, but never been to a Fark Party.

You should go to one. They're a lot of fun!

 
Demon of the Fall 2008-10-07 05:38:05 PM  
whereisian: Drew: We do, on weeks where we're running behind on commie links we greenlight more of them to catch up. And vice versa

I think this needs to be dropped. Submissions should be done on the merits of the lulz or newsworthiness. It contributes to divisiveness. Interesting idea, but I don't think it's worked out how you envisioned it.

Love it or loathe it, fark is part of the media, one that (if rumours are to be believed) is heavily frequented by the very media members it roasts.


I concure.

 
el_dudarino [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:38:15 PM  
el_dudarino: Drew, I'm starting to get the feeling I am beyond help. Is this true?

God, that el_dudarino guy is a total tool, right Drew?

 
Ktonos 2008-10-07 05:38:23 PM  
Dread Pirate Slasher I used to be a horrible Yahoo Chat troll so I can answer this one. I did mostly did it out of boredom. I threw a lot of bullshiat out there in the hopes that someone would bite. Someone always does. It got old after a while, though, so I gave it up.

Thank you for your honesty. I always wondered the rationale. Some trolls/alts are rather entertaining, such as that well known and recently-outed-as-an-alt one in the Politics tab, but others are really disruptive, especially the hit and run threadshiatters who dump a nearly verbatim talking point from another site and run off. I refuse to use the "ignore" function out of principle, but it's so disruptive to have a perfectly good thread with people giving reasoned explanations as to why the believe what they do to each other get run off the tracks by someone with an ulterior motive or a troublemaker. The cartoon trolls are terrible, but easy to disregard, but the concern trolls are the worst.

 
JJ Money 2008-10-07 05:38:23 PM  
I have noticed, for what it's worth, that in my own personal experience, I have not been randomly banned for ridiculous, innocuous things for some time. The forums are such a gong show that I approach them from a gonzo angle, intentionally at times being ridiculous in order to offer a contrasting opinion on something that catches my fancy. I have been time outed for what I consider stupid reasons, where a warning would have sufficed, but that has not been for a long time. Usually those incidents involved alcohol. One that comes to mind is posting a totally SFW image of my cousin in drag, as a joke, and that was kind of silly, but overall I would say that the moderation has improved recently.

 
Xystance 2008-10-07 05:38:24 PM  
Barakku: Xystance: Ok, I'm missing the whole "liters" meme.

Tsup with that?


Fair enough. :)

 
Psumek [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:38:29 PM  
Talking about bannination...you betcha that's a bannination.

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:38:55 PM  
goeniegoegoe: JOHNDX: It isn't really a party til someone gets naked

What would you know about nekkid chicks???!?


i59.photobucket.com

 
Cerebral Ballsy 2008-10-07 05:39:01 PM  
The lack of hot pictures of clothed people is odd. Yes, I know people Fark from work, but really.. shouldn't they be GingBTW?

 
doyner [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:39:10 PM  
leftyblonde: I can't even get that guy to say "Hello!" to me.

I think he has me on "ignore"!


I doubt that. You're an icon.

 
FarkinHostile 2008-10-07 05:39:19 PM  
JOHNDX

It isn't really a party til someone gets naked.


OK, now it's a party.

 
Paryb [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:39:25 PM  
Eeek: The farkbacks go to those of us who are not as drunk. However, they are mostly responded to this way:

Maybe its the beer talking Farkbackee, but you've got a butt that won't quit. They've got these big chewy pretzels here that are... (random mumbling) ...five dollars?! Get outta here!


Heh

Wait a sec, there are admins/mods that are sober?

Whatchu talkin bout willis?

 
Weaver95 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:40:01 PM  
Cerebral Ballsy: As one of the people who can still see your posts, I've been sent to tell you that 98% of Fark has you on perma-ignore.

Actually, I think the most fun I've had on fark was when one of the scrub accounts accused me of being a socialist. By the time I'd read through the thread, caught that comment and formed a reply, over 30 people had laughed the guy out of the room.

 
Anti_illuminati [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:40:18 PM  
Deveyn: Anti_illuminati: So, what do you estimate would be the collateral damage of IP bans, on Fark in particular?

I'd have to spend some time analyzing the logs of my image host to even come close to something.

However I'll say that IP bans are not very effective for a number of reasons. There are much better ways utilizing multiple tracking methodologies that work far better than just a straight IP ban.


Well, I can't disagree with you there, primarily because I have no idea what you're talking about.

 
Deveyn [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:40:31 PM  
Raccoon Dog: In certain threads, one group of people always gets annoyed by another group of people.

Yes, there's a lot of and every once in a while someone needs a good smack on the bottom to bring them back into line.

 
Barakku [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:41:02 PM  
FarkinHostile: JOHNDX

It isn't really a party til someone gets naked.


OK, now it's a party.


TMI makes kitty sad

 
CraicBaby [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:41:17 PM  
Deveyn: IP bans have the unfortunate side effect of blocking everyone else who may be using that IP address.

This. My husband and I both have TF, so if there were IP bans in place, it would mean only one of us would be able to have a Fark login.

 
amazing_live_seamonkeys 2008-10-07 05:41:17 PM  
img84.imageshack.us.

 
make me some tea [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:41:41 PM  
ginger ninja: or a response about the badow shans

Yes, that too.

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:41:57 PM  
*GETS NAKED*

 
Anti_illuminati [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:42:22 PM  
Weaver95: Cerebral Ballsy: As one of the people who can still see your posts, I've been sent to tell you that 98% of Fark has you on perma-ignore.

Actually, I think the most fun I've had on fark was when one of the scrub accounts accused me of being a socialist. By the time I'd read through the thread, caught that comment and formed a reply, over 30 people had laughed the guy out of the room.


Well, you're on my favs list, you know, for entertainment purposes.

/and not the Larry Craig kind either

 
Weaver95 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:42:34 PM  
Deveyn: Raccoon Dog: In certain threads, one group of people always gets annoyed by another group of people.

Yes, there's a lot of and every once in a while someone needs a good smack on the bottom to bring them back into line.


I've found that the politics threads tend to be self moderating. well...every now and then someone gets a bit riled up, but for the most part they tend to settle into a fairly regular routine.

 
el_dudarino [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:42:48 PM  
el_dudarino: el_dudarino: Drew, I'm starting to get the feeling I am beyond help. Is this true?

God, that el_dudarino guy is a total tool, right Drew?


Look, I don't know who the hell you think you are, but don't call me a tool. Gah, douchebags everywhere.

 
saulecker 2008-10-07 05:43:20 PM  
I've been naked since the 42nd comment...

 
lordargent 2008-10-07 05:43:24 PM  
Barakku: IP bans? Or only one account from an IP? A little extreme though, since IPs are recycled eventually.

MAC address spoofing.

/I've said too much already.

TheFarkinEmpress: One problem I do have is whenever there are articles posted about children being molested, there are tons of trolls who defend the molester and state the laws to protect children are too mean to the molosters.

/Quick, someone bust out the 'teacher student sex diagram' I don't have it handy.

Anyway, my take on the whole thing is that it's shades of gray. Different states have different laws regarding age of consent. So something that wouldn't fly in my state (18+) would fly in another state.

For example I wouldn't turn my nose up at a 16 year old with a 19 year old. But anything more than that and I would probably cry foul right along with you.

I also find some amusement in the fact that in a state with a low age of consent you could sleep with, or even marry, a 17 year old, but having pictures of said 17 year old can get you dinged with federal charges.

/and, in extreme cases, a 17 year old could take pictures of themselves, send them to someone else and get dinged on federal charges (And if you don't think the idea of a 17 year old minor getting charged as an adult for sending pictures of themselves (a MINOR) is a little bit FUBAR, then I don't know what to say.)

 
Dancin_In_Anson [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:43:28 PM  
Weaver95: every now and then someone gets a bit riled up

I've never seen this happen...at least in the last coupla hours.

 
goeniegoegoe [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:43:41 PM  
Weaver95: I've found that the politics threads tend to be self moderating

Commie anarchist.

 
el_dudarino [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:43:53 PM  
el_dudarino: el_dudarino: el_dudarino: Drew, I'm starting to get the feeling I am beyond help. Is this true?

God, that el_dudarino guy is a total tool, right Drew?

Look, I don't know who the hell you think you are, but don't call me a tool. Gah, douchebags everywhere.


Oh and you're real funny stealing someone else's joke. God job el_DUMBarino

 
CastorPimp 2008-10-07 05:44:02 PM  
leftyblonde: *GETS NAKED*

*PUTS ON ROBE AND WIZARD HAT*

 
Rozinante 2008-10-07 05:44:07 PM  
Anti_illuminati: Deveyn: Anti_illuminati: /is that even possible??

IP bans have the unfortunate side effect of blocking everyone else who may be using that IP address.

Anyone behind a transparent proxy would also be affected.

Ahhhh, good point. So, what do you estimate would be the collateral damage of IP bans, on Fark in particular?


They have banned IPs, AFAIK. That was in days of yore though.

 
doyner [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:44:17 PM  
leftyblonde: *GETS NAKED*

Pics or it didn't happen.

Last post.

 
hubiestubert [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:44:23 PM  
Weaver95: Deveyn: Raccoon Dog: In certain threads, one group of people always gets annoyed by another group of people.

Yes, there's a lot of and every once in a while someone needs a good smack on the bottom to bring them back into line.

I've found that the politics threads tend to be self moderating. well...every now and then someone gets a bit riled up, but for the most part they tend to settle into a fairly regular routine.


To be honest, I've seen a lot less bile in the Politics threads than I've seen on TFD in the last year. A LOT less.

 
Weaver95 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:44:33 PM  
and by 'regular routine' I mean that the politics tab has a stable of 'fark regulars' (TF and liters) who tend to show up in those threads over and over again. there are some fairly consistant people there, and they seem to act as a 'stabilizing' force for most of the discussions.

 
namatad [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:44:36 PM  
so, back to outing the subby
ummm why not just make it an option when you submit the link?
people who want to be known, can click click click

the rest of the time, who cares

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:44:43 PM  
are we having fun yet?

 
pwhp_67 2008-10-07 05:44:44 PM  
Drew: These (new window) threads piss me off. I'm at work and I can browse around and stuff when I'm not busy. A few of us here are TFers. But we try to keep it clean. I like the political threads and lately these assholes have been ruining them with pictures like the ones in this thread. Makes it impossible for me to stay in there while at work. Besides, it's threadjacking plain and simple...

 
Raccoon Dog 2008-10-07 05:44:47 PM  
Deveyn: Yes, there's a lot of and every once in a while someone needs a good smack on the bottom to bring them back into line.

Yeah, dude, I'm with you on - wait, we're talking about pr0n right?

Nah, but I think the infighting is funny sometimes. You know, makes things interesting if you're not emotionally involved.

 
bobbette 2008-10-07 05:45:00 PM  
lordargent: Barakku: IP bans? Or only one account from an IP? A little extreme though, since IPs are recycled eventually.

MAC address spoofing.

/I've said too much already.


REPORTED

 
geniusiknowit [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:45:11 PM  
Is Drew still using his alt "rugbyjock?"

 
Anti_illuminati [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:45:23 PM  
Weaver95: Deveyn: Raccoon Dog: In certain threads, one group of people always gets annoyed by another group of people.

Yes, there's a lot of and every once in a while someone needs a good smack on the bottom to bring them back into line.

I've found that the politics threads tend to be self moderating. well...every now and then someone gets a bit riled up, but for the most part they tend to settle into a fairly regular routine.


Yup.

Troll
Douchebaggery
Douchebaggery
Insight
Douchebaggery
Troll
Insight
Douchebaggery
Douchebaggery
Douchebaggery
Douchebaggery
Same Insight, Different Perspective
Troll
Douchebaggery
Douchebaggery

 
FarkinHostile 2008-10-07 05:45:32 PM  
CastorPimp
leftyblonde: *GETS NAKED*

*PUTS ON ROBE AND WIZARD HAT*



Um.....lightning bolt?

 
NittLion78 2008-10-07 05:45:46 PM  
geniusiknowit: Is Drew still using his alt "rugbyjock?"

hahaha

 
Cerebral Ballsy 2008-10-07 05:45:56 PM  
God, remember the waves and wves of "truthers" that used to come on here with all their hairbrained theories? Nothing made me more stabby. And these conspiracy theories catch like colds to other nutty people. Can't we vote people out of here or something? They would ruin every 9/11 or Bush thread they came across. And I don't exactly love Bush. I just think the nutballs needed to be sent packing sometimes.

 
at80eighty 2008-10-07 05:46:08 PM  
Drew: There's no appeal process once you've exhausted your last chance

how does one know that if they arent told so?

 
Raccoon Dog 2008-10-07 05:46:20 PM  
Weaver95: I've found that the politics threads tend to be self moderating.

No one ever changes their minds, so why bother even going to the politics threads?

 
Fapinator 2008-10-07 05:46:23 PM  
I don't have a problem with Drew's rules. As one of the earliest comments in this thread stated, it's Drew's site, so his rules apply. A good example of what a site can turn into without decent rules is Slashdot. On Slashdot if you don't set your preferences so that you don't see anything moderated below "1," almost everything you'll see will be trolls and flamebait.

I don't even have a problem with moving the boobies threads to Foobies. If somebody can't find pictures of naked people on the Internet, that person was probably dropped on his or her head as a baby.

The only disagreement I have with what Drew wrote was in his description of Fark. To me it seems more like a bar fight than a house party.

I've only ever been in one bar fight, and I didn't enjoy it. I do, however, enjoy watching bar fights either in real life or in the movies/on television.

Finally, just as an addendum ... I had TotalFark for a while (somebody sponsored me), and the only advantages I could see were the chance to post early and to engage in some threads that were not going to be on the main page. Neither of those things is important to me, so I spend the five dollars a month on something else.

 
Dancin_In_Anson [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:46:23 PM  
Rozinante: They have banned IPs, AFAIK

I think the entire city of Winnipeg is blocked.

 
basemetal [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:46:24 PM  
leftyblonde: are we having fun yet?

Well you are nekkid.

 
Weaver95 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:46:28 PM  
hubiestubert: To be honest, I've seen a lot less bile in the Politics threads than I've seen on TFD in the last year. A LOT less.

That might change. I'm expecting to see a lot of alts suddenly crop up as we get closer to the end of the election season. I'll further venture a guess that much of the bile and rancor will be directed towards anyone NOT voting for McCain.

Just a guess on my part mind you, but it seems to be the way modern poltics works these days.

 
el_dudarino [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:46:35 PM  
el_dudarino: el_dudarino: el_dudarino: el_dudarino: Drew, I'm starting to get the feeling I am beyond help. Is this true?

God, that el_dudarino guy is a total tool, right Drew?

Look, I don't know who the hell you think you are, but don't call me a tool. Gah, douchebags everywhere.

Oh and you're real funny stealing someone else's joke. God job el_DUMBarino


Wow, that's awesome. You replaced part of my name with DUMB, good god damn you are a farking genius

 
sokeri 2008-10-07 05:46:51 PM  
Deveyn: s, there's a lot of and every once in a while someone needs a good smack on the bottom to bring them back into line.

YOU JUST LEAVE THE SMACKBOTTOMS ALONE!! we they never did anything to you.

 
Raccoon Dog 2008-10-07 05:46:57 PM  
Anti_illuminati: Douchebaggery

I like being noticed!

 
melopene [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:47:24 PM  
TheFarkinEmpress: One problem I do have is whenever there are articles posted about children being molested, there are tons of trolls who defend the molester and state the laws to protect children are too mean to the molosters. Seriously, what's up with that? And then there are the ones who defend people who hurt and torture animals.

I believe in free speech, but these people suck.


Same with me and pretty much anyone who thinks domestic violence is funny. It pisses me off, but it's Fark, so I just make sure to farky them as asshats.

 
Barakku [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:47:27 PM  
Anti_illuminati: Weaver95: Deveyn: Raccoon Dog: In certain threads, one group of people always gets annoyed by another group of people.

Yes, there's a lot of and every once in a while someone needs a good smack on the bottom to bring them back into line.

I've found that the politics threads tend to be self moderating. well...every now and then someone gets a bit riled up, but for the most part they tend to settle into a fairly regular routine.

Yup.

Troll
Douchebaggery
Douchebaggery
Insight
Douchebaggery
Troll
Insight
Douchebaggery
Douchebaggery
Douchebaggery
Douchebaggery
Same Insight, Different Perspective
Troll
Douchebaggery
Douchebaggery


Lol, reminds me of the 9/11 troofer thread recently. First 10 postsish are about the upcomming trainwreck, then I joke-trolled (I guess you could call it that?), then shiat eventually hit the fan. I got some laughs though, so it was fun.
/Just here to see green arrows

 
IncubatorJones 2008-10-07 05:47:29 PM  
RubyRed: TheDumbBlonde: Who did you blow?

No one, but I did send Drew a cleavage pic back in 2003.


poor guy.

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:47:34 PM  
Raccoon Dog: Anti_illuminati: Douchebaggery

I like being noticed!


you do?

 
Anti_illuminati [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:47:41 PM  
Raccoon Dog: Anti_illuminati: Douchebaggery

I like being noticed!


Me too!

 
doyner [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:47:46 PM  
pwhp_67: Drew: These (new window) threads piss me off. I'm at work and I can browse around and stuff when I'm not busy. A few of us here are TFers. But we try to keep it clean. I like the political threads and lately these assholes have been ruining them with pictures like the ones in this thread. Makes it impossible for me to stay in there while at work. Besides, it's threadjacking plain and simple...

Dude, WTF? Those are all SWF pictures. Is your concern that the pictures make it obvious that you're not working?

 
smells_like_meat [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:47:51 PM  
wdelv: For us sheltered innocent ones out here, what is trolling?

OK, I'll try, but I'm going to get flamed.

Trolling is posting purposely inflammatory opinions or responses. The intent is to draw attention to the troller (a form of attention whoring) and to incite anger. The angrier the response the more opportunities for the troll to continue.

Most trolling is transparent and the troll is ridiculed or ignored.

The most common response (if any) to a troll is to rate the troll's effort.

e.g. 1/10 for a very weak attempt. 10/10 for an excellent troll.

 
at80eighty 2008-10-07 05:47:55 PM  
geniusiknowit: Is Drew still using his alt "rugbyjock?"

lulz

 
Der Poopflinger 2008-10-07 05:48:09 PM  
el_dudarino: el_dudarino: el_dudarino: el_dudarino: el_dudarino: Drew, I'm starting to get the feeling I am beyond help. Is this true?

God, that el_dudarino guy is a total tool, right Drew?

Look, I don't know who the hell you think you are, but don't call me a tool. Gah, douchebags everywhere.

Oh and you're real funny stealing someone else's joke. God job el_DUMBarino

Wow, that's awesome. You replaced part of my name with DUMB, good god damn you are a farking genius


I'd kick his ass if I was you, bust a bottle on the bar and make a jabbing motion with it!!

 
Weaver95 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:48:18 PM  
Raccoon Dog: Weaver95: I've found that the politics threads tend to be self moderating.

No one ever changes their minds, so why bother even going to the politics threads?


I should have said that it's highly unlikely that anyone will change their minds...but it can happen. That said - I go to those threads (and that tab in general) because those discussions are more open and honest than anything I'll EVER hear on CNN or Fox news.

 
hubiestubert [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:48:21 PM  
Weaver95: hubiestubert: To be honest, I've seen a lot less bile in the Politics threads than I've seen on TFD in the last year. A LOT less.

That might change. I'm expecting to see a lot of alts suddenly crop up as we get closer to the end of the election season. I'll further venture a guess that much of the bile and rancor will be directed towards anyone NOT voting for McCain.

Just a guess on my part mind you, but it seems to be the way modern poltics works these days.


True enough, but that's still sort of impersonal bile. It's just free floating Trolling. TFD has very personalized bile. And that is a world of difference.

 
overlord_mike 2008-10-07 05:48:22 PM  
pwhp_67: Drew: These (new window) threads piss me off. I'm at work and I can browse around and stuff when I'm not busy. A few of us here are TFers. But we try to keep it clean. I like the political threads and lately these assholes have been ruining them with pictures like the ones in this thread. Makes it impossible for me to stay in there while at work. Besides, it's threadjacking plain and simple...

If its on TF discussions and its politics people with post boobie pics

TFERS don't like politics in there area, so you get boobies in return

 
Demon of the Fall 2008-10-07 05:48:25 PM  
Raccoon Dog: Weaver95: I've found that the politics threads tend to be self moderating.

No one ever changes their minds, so why bother even going to the politics threads?


Palin photoshops.

 
Deveyn [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:49:02 PM  
sokeri: they never did anything to you.

I was endlessly entertained at the people who would get their panties in a bunch at the mere sight of one.

 
thebigmike1983 2008-10-07 05:49:04 PM  
pwhp_67: Drew: These (new window) threads piss me off. I'm at work and I can browse around and stuff when I'm not busy. A few of us here are TFers. But we try to keep it clean. I like the political threads and lately these assholes have been ruining them with pictures like the ones in this thread. Makes it impossible for me to stay in there while at work. Besides, it's threadjacking plain and simple...

Solution:
thebigmike1983: Pictures in theads: There's a "turn pictures to links" option. Use it. Don't come into a thread about boobies then biatch that the pics are semi-NSFW. Except with that pickle incident. THAT was just hilariously wrong.
Yeah, it's not a boobies thread, but that option is a pretty damn good life-saver at work.

 
el_dudarino [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:49:26 PM  
el_dudarino: el_dudarino: el_dudarino: el_dudarino: el_dudarino: Drew, I'm starting to get the feeling I am beyond help. Is this true?

God, that el_dudarino guy is a total tool, right Drew?

Look, I don't know who the hell you think you are, but don't call me a tool. Gah, douchebags everywhere.

Oh and you're real funny stealing someone else's joke. God job el_DUMBarino

Wow, that's awesome. You replaced part of my name with DUMB, good god damn you are a farking genius


I'm just pointing out that you are frighteningly unoriginal. You blatantly rip off funny stuff you read somewhere else and pass it off as your own. You're worse than Dane Cook.

 
Weaver95 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:49:32 PM  
hubiestubert: True enough, but that's still sort of impersonal bile. It's just free floating Trolling. TFD has very personalized bile. And that is a world of difference.

aside from the occasional cafe thread, I tend to avoid TFD.

 
Anti_illuminati [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:49:34 PM  
Weaver95: Raccoon Dog: Weaver95: I've found that the politics threads tend to be self moderating.

No one ever changes their minds, so why bother even going to the politics threads?

I should have said that it's highly unlikely that anyone will change their minds...but it can happen. That said - I go to those threads (and that tab in general) because those discussions are more open and honest than anything I'll EVER hear on CNN or Fox news.


Depends on how often you use the 'ignore' option.

 
Cerebral Ballsy 2008-10-07 05:49:53 PM  
pwhp_67: Drew: These (new window) threads piss me off. I'm at work and I can browse around and stuff when I'm not busy. A few of us here are TFers. But we try to keep it clean. I like the political threads and lately these assholes have been ruining them with pictures like the ones in this thread. Makes it impossible for me to stay in there while at work. Besides, it's threadjacking plain and simple...

I understand that that thread is supposed to be about politics, but it's very eerie when you're in a thread about some actress and all the pics have been banned.

PS: The thread isn't "ruined", it's just got pics in it that you shouldn't be able to see anyway because you're busy at work.

 
nakhash 2008-10-07 05:50:10 PM  
Dang! I'm late to the par-tay!

I'm going to have to be a bit vague, as I want to keep my job. I'm actually involved in managing a fairly good-size online community owned by a major news group (unique visitors/month number in the millions). In that capacity, I oversee volunteer moderators of various communities, handle problems members have and help in decision-making/research/testing, etc.

I'm also a moderator for a couple of dozen blogs. Many of our bloggers are known (enough to be invited to speak on political talk shows) and some are OMG famous.

I'm soooo familiar with the banning, time out/suspensions, disciplinary emails, etc. My basis for "censoring" this area is hate speech, unrelenting personal attacks on other members, thread-jacking/causing mods extra work/disrupting the combox area. Other areas of our site have more stringent rules.

Do we make the rules available for all to read (in fact, by registering a member agrees they've read them and will obey)? Yes

Do members actually read them? Puh-leeze!

I think my favorite problem children are the ones that either try to nit-pick the interpretation of a rule violation that they've committed, trying to show how they did not, in fact, do so. OR those that argue "freedom of speech." Uh...private sites get to make their own rules. You don't like'em, don't join.

We suspend/time out on a cumulative basis. First offense has a smaller consequence than the tenth. Trying to get out of a suspension by registering as a new user will add to the suspension. Continuing to ignore warnings, suspensions, etc. can end in banning.

As to the drifting to the "darker side": I've had bloggers who insisted that staff do no moderation of their blogs, they would do it themselves. They allowed members free rein. This has never lasted. People who like to comment in online communities are anonymous, for the most part. Inhibitions are lowered. Cliques sometimes form and a "herd mentality" takes over for some. Attacks can be brutal and the aftermath can take days/weeks to clear out before some semblance or normality resumes.

So, in a nutshell, it sounds like our moderation styles are really pretty similar, and your moderators should continue as they do.

 
ThreeWiseMonkeys 2008-10-07 05:50:15 PM  
I have two log in names because I wanted to change my handle. Did I get flagged for that?

 
DavyBoySmith 2008-10-07 05:50:16 PM  
I have no problem with the moderation on FARK. The fisrt and last time I was banned for a comment I just let my TotalFARK subscription expire, I will never pay another cent to a site that censors. I am very happy with this site, now that I am not supporting it. :)

 
Der Poopflinger 2008-10-07 05:50:23 PM  
at80eighty: Drew: There's no appeal process once you've exhausted your last chance

how does one know that if they arent told so?


look if you can't read minds by now than why bother to start

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:50:29 PM  
*ignores everybody in the thread*

 
Ystros 2008-10-07 05:50:36 PM  
heap: 'we let our cats decide'.

Tagged.

 
randomizetimer [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:50:39 PM  
Drew,

What time of day do you wake up and do you start your day with a brew?

 
at80eighty 2008-10-07 05:50:47 PM  
Raccoon Dog: Weaver95: I've found that the politics threads tend to be self moderating.

No one ever changes their minds, so why bother even going to the politics threads?


hah. the guy you replied to is an example of someone who did change his mind & stance

 
doyner [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:50:58 PM  
Weaver95: hubiestubert: True enough, but that's still sort of impersonal bile. It's just free floating Trolling. TFD has very personalized bile. And that is a world of difference.

aside from the occasional cafe thread, I tend to avoid TFD.


You could be a great TotaLPharker if you tried.

 
Keisarinna Snickerpussy Smackbottom 2008-10-07 05:50:59 PM  
Deveyn: I was endlessly entertained at the people who would get their panties in a bunch at the mere sight of one.

'twas really quite sad.

 
Weaver95 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:51:03 PM  
Anti_illuminati: Weaver95: Raccoon Dog: Weaver95: I've found that the politics threads tend to be self moderating.

No one ever changes their minds, so why bother even going to the politics threads?

I should have said that it's highly unlikely that anyone will change their minds...but it can happen. That said - I go to those threads (and that tab in general) because those discussions are more open and honest than anything I'll EVER hear on CNN or Fox news.

Depends on how often you use the 'ignore' option.


yeah, but it is incredibly obvious when the troll alts show up and spam freeper talking points. we can weed out the fools and the blithering idiots with a couple clicks of the mouse.

Try doing that with Fox news or CNN.

 
LiveStalk 2008-10-07 05:51:10 PM  
I always figured Drew was made up, like Santa Clause, the toothfairy, an honest politician, or Bevets....

 
make me some tea [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:51:29 PM  
overlord_mike: TFERS don't like politics in there area, so you get boobies in return

I don't mind a good TFD politics discussion. Usually stays a lot more civil than the liter threads, plus the topics are more fluid.

Except for the stupid boobies pics...

 
Rev. Skarekroe [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:51:40 PM  
pwhp_67: Drew: These (new window) threads piss me off. I'm at work and I can browse around and stuff when I'm not busy. A few of us here are TFers. But we try to keep it clean. I like the political threads and lately these assholes have been ruining them with pictures like the ones in this thread. Makes it impossible for me to stay in there while at work. Besides, it's threadjacking plain and simple...

What, your boss doesn't like Rush?

 
bigwill64 2008-10-07 05:51:41 PM  
geniusiknowit: Is Drew still using his alt "rugbyjock?"

img80.imageshack.us

 
pwhp_67 2008-10-07 05:51:48 PM  
doyner: Dude, WTF? Those are all SWF pictures.


They don't belong in a thread on politics. I don't want to turn off the pictures because there are a lot of good political pictures in these threads. Also, I shouldn't have to. I don't go into anything marked NSF or even marked SFW but with the Boobies tab. I do my part it's fair that other people play by the rules...

 
Der Poopflinger 2008-10-07 05:52:13 PM  
randomizetimer: Drew,

What time of day do you wake up and do you start your day with a brew?


I thought those were supposed to happen at the same time???!??!

 
Weaver95 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:52:14 PM  
doyner:
You could be a great TotaLPharker if you tried.


No thanks. I'm building/testing an ecommerce server for a friend this week.

 
Duke Snickerpussy Snackbottom of Farkingham 2008-10-07 05:52:17 PM  
sokeri: YOU JUST LEAVE THE SMACKBOTTOMS ALONE!! we they never did anything to you

Forsooth!

 
skiptomyloop [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:52:45 PM  
leftyblonde: *ignores everybody in the thread*

*cries*

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:52:58 PM  
R.A.Danny: This is kinda augering in, just like you wanted to avoid, isn't it, Drew?

No it's fine. The only problems I'm seeing haven't been addressed yet

 
Raccoon Dog 2008-10-07 05:53:00 PM  
Barakku: Lol, reminds me of the 9/11 troofer thread recently. First 10 postsish are about the upcomming trainwreck, then I joke-trolled (I guess you could call it that?), then shiat eventually hit the fan.

I lurked that one. You were great!

Weaver95: I should have said that it's highly unlikely that anyone will change their minds

You did, once. I respected you for that.

Demon of the Fall: Palin photoshops.

That's because a certain amount of crazy looks sexy on a woman, and you can't photoshop that in, so you have to use Palin.

hubiestubert: To be honest, I've seen a lot less bile in the Politics threads than I've seen on TFD in the last year. A LOT less.

TFD is so much more entertaining to me, though. I don't know why.

 
Weaver95 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:53:09 PM  
Duke Snickerpussy Snackbottom of Farkingham: sokeri: YOU JUST LEAVE THE SMACKBOTTOMS ALONE!! we they never did anything to you

Forsooth!


banninated.

 
whereisian 2008-10-07 05:53:50 PM  
Raccoon Dog: Weaver95: I've found that the politics threads tend to be self moderating.

No one ever changes their minds, so why bother even going to the politics threads?


I've seen people change their minds, even some of the trollier trolls. Some are even spectacular maturations, like a certain farker here right now.

 
Anti_illuminati [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:54:09 PM  
Weaver95: Anti_illuminati: Weaver95: Raccoon Dog: Weaver95: I've found that the politics threads tend to be self moderating.

No one ever changes their minds, so why bother even going to the politics threads?

I should have said that it's highly unlikely that anyone will change their minds...but it can happen. That said - I go to those threads (and that tab in general) because those discussions are more open and honest than anything I'll EVER hear on CNN or Fox news.

Depends on how often you use the 'ignore' option.

yeah, but it is incredibly obvious when the troll alts show up and spam freeper talking points. we can weed out the fools and the blithering idiots with a couple clicks of the mouse.

Try doing that with Fox news or CNN.


True. But you know there are people out there that just ignore ANYONE who disagrees with them. But they probably watch FOX and CNN, huh?

 
Weaver95 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:54:49 PM  
whereisian: Raccoon Dog: Weaver95: I've found that the politics threads tend to be self moderating.

No one ever changes their minds, so why bother even going to the politics threads?

I've seen people change their minds, even some of the trollier trolls. Some are even spectacular maturations, like a certain farker here right now.


I didn't know Drew hung out in the politics threads....

 
Raccoon Dog 2008-10-07 05:55:05 PM  
at80eighty: hah. the guy you replied to is an example of someone who did change his mind & stance

I have too, actually. I think Bush sucked in the beginning, but ever since he's had a low approval rating, he's been pretty good!

Weird, I know.

 
randomizetimer [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:55:26 PM  
I have no one on my ignore list.

So I never see it when no one posts!

 
Roman Fyseek [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:55:35 PM  
hockeyfarker: and clearly he can't be in the unit, Shiat talking Mushrooms. He's a lone wolf. A wild card. He can't be controlled.

He can be SPECOPS

geniusiknowit: using his alt

That was funny. Unfair to rugbyjock but, funny.

 
Weaver95 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:55:35 PM  
Anti_illuminati: True. But you know there are people out there that just ignore ANYONE who disagrees with them. But they probably watch FOX and CNN, huh?

meh. that's a self correcting problem.

 
make me some tea [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:55:47 PM  
nakhash: disciplinary emails

This is what's missing from Fark's moderation much of the time. Being consistent on this would curb a lot of douchey behavior.

 
doyner [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:55:47 PM  
pwhp_67: doyner: Dude, WTF? Those are all SWF pictures.


They don't belong in a thread on politics. I don't want to turn off the pictures because there are a lot of good political pictures in these threads. Also, I shouldn't have to. I don't go into anything marked NSF or even marked SFW but with the Boobies tab. I do my part it's fair that other people play by the rules...


I disagree with your premise. What makes a SWF picture of Scarlett Johansen so much worse than any sensational image one might pull off of Fox?

Besides, the folks that do that are pretty easy to put on "ignore." The point of the blog is to explain the rules of the house party. If you think the party is lame then leave.

 
Raccoon Dog 2008-10-07 05:56:09 PM  
Weaver95: I didn't know Drew hung out in the politics threads....

He had an alt but a moderator banned it.

OK, I'm just making that up.

 
Anti_illuminati [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:56:20 PM  
Weaver95: Anti_illuminati: True. But you know there are people out there that just ignore ANYONE who disagrees with them. But they probably watch FOX and CNN, huh?

meh. that's a self correcting problem.


Minus rope or sleeping pills.

 
Weaver95 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:56:52 PM  
randomizetimer: I have no one on my ignore list.

So I never see it when no one posts!


Yesterday upon the stair / I met a man who wasn't there. / He wasn't there again today / I wish that man would go away.

 
serial_crusher [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:57:25 PM  
individuals who claim to have been banned from Fark for no reason either rewrote history or omitted something. For example there's at least one person banned currently with over 50 various infractions who claims to have no idea why they were banned. I believe them too (that they have no idea). That doesn't change the fact that incidents occurred, they were notified at the time, claimed to have understood at the time, then later wiped them from their memory.

Can you elaborate on the notification + understanding phase of that workflow? I got banned once, didn't know I was banned, and wasn't sure why. I was silently "bozoed" (when I looked at a thread, I saw my posts but nobody else did). No emails about it ever reached my email address (maybe a spam filter got it?).

Working in the social media business, I've had several conversations regarding this form of blocking, and I still don't like it. Sure, it's designed to stop the spamming user who thinks he's getting away with it. But it causes collateral damage to guys like me who did one stupid thing and never figured it out.

Are there differences in moderator guidelines for when somebody does/does not get notified of their bannination? I was under the impression that people who were banned or in timeout would get feedback telling them "hey, you can't post because you're an asshat".

My best guess is that I was bozoed for posting a questionably-sfw picture (or worse, maybe I hotlinked and somebody gootse'd me)? Anyhow, far as I know I was a first-time offender, so kind of surprised a bozoing was in order.

 
doyner [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:57:55 PM  
Weaver95: doyner:
You could be a great TotaLPharker if you tried.

No thanks. I'm building/testing an ecommerce server for a friend this week.


Sounds THRILLING!

 
orrinbloquy 2008-10-07 05:58:16 PM  
Weaver95: I'm building/testing an ecommerce server for a friend this week.

I did something like this once. You have my sympathies.

 
Weaver95 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:58:39 PM  
doyner: Weaver95: doyner:
You could be a great TotaLPharker if you tried.

No thanks. I'm building/testing an ecommerce server for a friend this week.

Sounds THRILLING!


That my life in a nutshell - constant excitement and non-stop thrills.

 
Dumb-Ass-Monkey [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:58:43 PM  
serial_crusher: Can you elaborate on the notification + understanding phase of that workflow? I got banned once, didn't know I was banned, and wasn't sure why. I was silently "bozoed" (when I looked at a thread, I saw my posts but nobody else did). No emails about it ever reached my email address (maybe a spam filter got it?).

They will never tell you you've been shadow banned. They'll just keep taking your money (also known as STEALING) and let you think you're an active member.

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:59:15 PM  
palladiate's hair: My one run in was reversed when I asked what I had done wrong so I wouldn't do it again. Response time was a couple of hours, and I got an apology for over-zealous moderation. I totally didn't expect it, I just wanted to stay civil.

Sort of. I'm not making any apologies. I know how the game is played and every timeout I've gotten, except for the one that was reversed was well deserved.

I don't like to see my friends get banned though for the same shiat that everybody else does.

IT DOES SEEM, like sometimes, that mods do have favorites.

i, don't have a problem with this, but I have seen some unfair decisions made. Well they were unfair in my opinion, but I'm sure I only heard half the story.

 
nuclear_asshat 2008-10-07 05:59:41 PM  
First, no so serious..

Boobages in the threads. If the thread has permi-wood overtone, then let the images commence. If the thread is about a teacher banging a student, then I expect the obligatory "Hot For Teacher" screen cap from Van Halen's video.

Boobs in every single thread are ridiculous.

I do like the elimination of images in huge threads. It works great. But there was the primary season where we had a farker giving awesome updates to everyone. It was a great Fark moment. On massive threads, I think you could strip it down even further, but that is just me.

I like that commments aren't voted up or down. It's a crap system and it will be the death of Digg and Reddit. It's why I never go back to the and stick to Fark. People bury anything they don't agree with and its never seen again.

Example: There was a Palin story that was obviously bullshiat (not pregnant with her last child) a Digger had photos of himself with Mrs. Palin weeks before delivery which clearly showed her pregnant. That post was buried and never seen by 80% of users who looked at the first page of comments.

I think ultimately the moderators come FROM the community, but moderation is not done BY the community in real time. It's why you have an editor. Someone has to toe the line rather than in-the-moment contributors which lead to sites like DIGG and REDDIT sucking huge ass.

 
Weaver95 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 05:59:52 PM  
orrinbloquy: Weaver95: I'm building/testing an ecommerce server for a friend this week.

I did something like this once. You have my sympathies.


I'm using fairly well tested opensource software and older, more reliable hardware. it won't be the fastest kid on the block but it'll be stable as hell and secure.

 
Dancin_In_Anson [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:00:26 PM  
Drew: No it's fine. The only problems I'm seeing haven't been addressed yet

Interesting how things are seen from the other sides of the fence isn't it?

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:00:29 PM  
at80eighty: i just want the [Boobies] back :(

I can link you to my p-bucket account. You'll find TONS of boobies in there :)

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:00:35 PM  
When are the later sections going to be posted, so I can know not to miss them? Sorry if this has been answered, I'm not following so well, mostly just your posts and responses to my posts.

Not 100% sure, depends on when I have an afternoon free, which isn't often. Hopefully next week, maybe Friday

 
el_dudarino [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:00:41 PM  
serial_crusher: My best guess is that I was bozoed for posting a questionably-sfw picture (or worse, maybe I hotlinked and somebody gootse'd me)? Anyhow, far as I know I was a first-time offender, so kind of surprised a bozoing was in order.

I got banned once when I first started. They Swedish Chef filtered me for an hour or so, then stopped me from posting outright.

I thought it was funny, though I was irritated

 
serial_crusher [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:00:46 PM  
Dumb-Ass-Monkey: serial_crusher: Can you elaborate on the notification + understanding phase of that workflow? I got banned once, didn't know I was banned, and wasn't sure why. I was silently "bozoed" (when I looked at a thread, I saw my posts but nobody else did). No emails about it ever reached my email address (maybe a spam filter got it?).

They will never tell you you've been shadow banned. They'll just keep taking your money (also known as STEALING) and let you think you're an active member.


Heh, I've always been a lowly liter (tried TF for 1 month, but that was just too much distraction for me to handle). Yeah, it would really suck to get bozoed and keep paying for it.

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:01:04 PM  
goeniegoegoe: Not true. I am in there too.

Not. Helping. Argument.

 
Cerebral Ballsy 2008-10-07 06:01:13 PM  
pwhp_67: doyner: Dude, WTF? Those are all SWF pictures.


They don't belong in a thread on politics. I don't want to turn off the pictures because there are a lot of good political pictures in these threads. Also, I shouldn't have to. I don't go into anything marked NSF or even marked SFW but with the Boobies tab. I do my part it's fair that other people play by the rules...


What is those pics were on topic? What I mean to say, the same pics but the topic was the same? Because those pics, as they are, are censored enough. Either your problem is the off-topic posts, in which case you can write to the Modmins, or those pics are too unsafe for your work, in which case, you'll get a reply that they're safe enough.

If I worked in a church, I wouldn't log onto the internet and complain about the impropriety of the photos posted everywhere.. I'd just stay off the net.

 
Ksup 2008-10-07 06:01:34 PM  
I love the people who biatch about nsfw content. You're Farking On the Internet at work(probably in a thread about slutty girls). Either gbtfw or turn off you're damn images.

And yes It is your party Drew. I can tell my your name so prominently on my browser title bar(narsistic much). But we're here so it's our party too(right Mr. Hand).

One way to fix some of these problems would be to hide post that the poster has tagged nsfw. These comments would only be seen if you opted to enable nsfw content.but again should we bend over backwards for people wasting company time anyways?

/Never been banned
/ty citizens

 
filth [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:01:36 PM  
Man, things have come a long way since I started coming here. I think I lost my html privileges for about half a day in 2003, and I have no earthly idea what for. And I barely used html in 2003; so I'm not sure how I was harmed by the timeout.

Anyway, I sent a polite WTF? e-mail and never heard anything about it. No there's all kinds of explanations and appeals. Fancy.

I'm sneaking up on my point which is that I have been commenting in the threads for a good long time now. I have unfairly insulted many of you using personal and vulgar terms. I have heaped scorn on submitters and admins alike for shiatty headlines. I have jacked threads just for a laugh. I have seen attack ships burning ... oh, wait. I hate to judge the whole world by my own experience, but if I'm not subject to discipline on Fark after all the crap I've pulled, I suggest you seriously reevaluate your behavior if you're getting timeouts. Tears in the rain.

Continue the exemplary performance, Drew. Fark continues to be the highest and best use of the internet.

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:01:49 PM  
IdBeCrazyIf: On topic moment...So like.... Drew are these threads Kosher for us to discuss our individual status? I mean really when you spoke of the 5 year user thing that was once banned all the time and now really doesn't

.... you were talking to my soul man!


No. However feel free to email me about it

 
Exekute 2008-10-07 06:02:42 PM  
You had me at "sow chaos and disorder"...

 
bartink 2008-10-07 06:03:10 PM  
I have a suggestion/complaint/whatever.

There are times when no new politics submissions are greenlit for long periods of time. Sometimes it doesn't matter, as there is a raging thread that everyone seems to be on anyway e.g. during debates. But I've seen this happen for 6+ hours with huge news stories people are just dying to discuss. I have had a TF and I can think of a specific time that there were probably something like 2 dozen headlines being denied. Some were quite funny and worthy, others weren't. But none were greenlit. It literally killed the politics tab for the evening.

Thats it. Only complaint. Except trolls/alts. Don't know what to do about those though.

 
bluescalequail 2008-10-07 06:03:16 PM  
I used to love TF and Fark. The site itself is wonderful. But the caliber of people that have come to fill it were just so nasty that eventually most of the nice people gave up and left.

There for a little while, I noticed things were heavy handed, and the people got nicer (or they would go to anon-dit and get whinier) for a while. Then when the hand holding them got lighter, the ugliness would ensue again.

There is a lot of talk (amongst them) about how friends of mods could get away with behavior that anyone else would get a time out for. There are times when people get a time out (and be the only person to get a time out for) responding to a nastiness that they were subjected to.

Everyone I talk to, whether they are current or ex TF and F talk about how horrible the people are here. We aren't talking one time visitors, we are talking people from years of experience on here.

I think the rules being applied evenly would help, I think that having a set set of rules would be of help. It would let people know beforehand exactly what the rules are, and where the lines that should not be crossed are.

Good luck - this place used to be awesome.

 
at80eighty 2008-10-07 06:03:24 PM  
frenchcheesemuseum: at80eighty: i just want the [Boobies] back :(

I can link you to my p-bucket account. You'll find TONS of boobies in there :)


i rarely say this, but im skeered

that said

img258.imageshack.us

 
lordargent 2008-10-07 06:03:56 PM  
nuclear_asshat: Boobages in the threads. If the thread has permi-wood overtone, then let the images commence. If the thread is about a teacher banging a student, then I expect the obligatory "Hot For Teacher" screen cap from Van Halen's video.

Yeah, when they banned images from boobies threads, I didn't know WTF to do with all of my 'I'd hit it' pics.

 
Dumb-Ass-Monkey [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:03:58 PM  
DREW

Could you please address/clarify the following issues/questions?

1. Shadowbanning

2. Clarify specifically what constitutes "creating work for a mod" and does that include OTHER users complaining en masse against someone due to personal dislike, and if so, can users also vouch for a user to negate the complaints? And does a person reporting a thread also constitute "creating work"?

3. Who do we contact when months of sending a farkback is not responded to?

4. If someone doesn't "fit in" on the site, then why not tell them in a ban explanation?

5. How does someone know if it's a "last chance"? Why do some people get a warning they're about to be permabanned, but others do not?

 
serial_crusher [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:04:04 PM  
IdBeCrazyIf: Drew are these threads Kosher for us to discuss our individual status?

Careful there chief. According to my company's anti-harassment training video, calling things kosher is offensive. You might get banned for it :p.

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:04:26 PM  
Drew: No. However feel free to email me about it

I emailed you once and regretted it the moment I hit send.

You won't remember that, I hope, but I do and that is bad enough.

The mods answer all my questions, so I'll stick to fark back.

 
randomizetimer [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:04:43 PM  
frenchcheesemuseum: at80eighty: i just want the [Boobies] back :(

I can link you to my p-bucket account. You'll find TONS of boobies in there :)


EIP, please, EIP!

 
geniusiknowit [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:04:49 PM  
Drew: R.A.Danny: This is kinda augering in, just like you wanted to avoid, isn't it, Drew?

No it's fine. The only problems I'm seeing haven't been addressed yet


Ooh ooh! I know! I know!

No one has addressed SAVING THE WHALES!

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:04:53 PM  
I don't have anyone on "ignore"...

I just said that to see if anyone was paying attention.

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:04:57 PM  
ProducedBy: Drew: if it was limitted


Anyway to clear up the "make the mods work hard" bit. If somebody gets banned for that because some people just complain alot, that seems to result in a ban for nothing more that some people dont like somebody, and then make a point to cry ato mods about a person.

We know that some people have been perma banned under this reasoning, and all because a mob decided to over time, complain enough to make the mods work hard. Make sense?


This is incorrect. Links get voted off the island but people don't.

And is there a reason that you guys cant just say why people were banned via the offenders profile? I get the feeling this would likely limit some nonsense, and for gods sake, find a way to out smittys like Jeff used to who are clearly be dumb and submitting nonsense or fake trainwrecks week after week.

The reason why is coming up in a future post

 
thebigmike1983 2008-10-07 06:04:59 PM  
filth: Fark continues to be the highest and best use of the internet.

I don't know about that.

 
bartink 2008-10-07 06:05:08 PM  
Weaver95: I didn't know Drew hung out in the politics threads....

It seems to me that he is the reason that the morning/early afternoon is so good on the politics threads, and starts a slow slide to suckdom as the day progresses.

 
MissFeasance [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:05:09 PM  
Raccoon Dog: TFD is so much more entertaining to me, though. I don't know why.

I like that it's more of a social, friendly banter kind of feel. I can respond to someone and be silly or make a joke and not feel that I should be making a point or furthering actual discussion of news topics.

 
CastorPimp 2008-10-07 06:06:18 PM  
Drew didn't answer me. *emo tear*

 
el_dudarino [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:06:28 PM  
Why hasn't anyone else posted in here?

 
doyner [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:06:44 PM  
I pay attention.

:)

 
Deveyn [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:07:35 PM  
MissFeasance: I like that it's more of a social, friendly banter kind of feel.

Another good (or bad) thing is that most everyone on TFD has seen each other naked.

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:07:45 PM  
randomizetimer: frenchcheesemuseum: at80eighty: i just want the [Boobies] back :(

I can link you to my p-bucket account. You'll find TONS of boobies in there :)

EIP, please, EIP!


LOL here, it's been weeded out a bit by photobucket, they are on to my IP. I've been nuked from them more times than I really care to admit.

http://s440.photobucket.com/albums/qq124/cheeseeatingsurrendermonkey/ (poops)

Guest password is "boogers"

Enjoy. Every time I make it public I get nuked.

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:07:51 PM  
CastorPimp: Drew didn't answer me. *emo tear*

you wants me to smack him for ya? ;)

 
doyner [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:07:52 PM  
CastorPimp: Drew didn't answer me. *emo tear*

His answers are as much as 500 posts behind. Patience, young one.

 
Weaver95 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:08:03 PM  
bartink: Weaver95: I didn't know Drew hung out in the politics threads....

It seems to me that he is the reason that the morning/early afternoon is so good on the politics threads, and starts a slow slide to suckdom as the day progresses.


Nah, I think the slide downhill lately has more to do with everyone drinking heavily, watching their stocks tank as the market slowly implodes and then getting rowdy when they realize that nobody is ever going to go to jail over the whole thing.

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:08:05 PM  
Nick Nostril: Four million members!?! Jeebus, how many lurkers are there?

About 3.8 million

At least once a week I get one of the following two emails:

1) where are the photoshop contest submissions?
2) what are those numbers to the right of the links?

 
theoriginalslash 2008-10-07 06:08:40 PM  
I too get a little annoyed when thread just disappears. If it's not more work, a placeholder like "We pulled this thread because some assholes were ruining for everyone else" would be cool. I kind of assume that's the case anyway, but sometimes I look for the thread for several minutes before I realize, "Oh, shiat, they must have pulled it." Maybe I'm just slow on the uptake.

99% of the trolls are just idiots. They're not funny or thought-provoking, they're just tiresome. The attention whores are marginally less annoying. I don't feel strongly about ridding Fark of them, but it wouldn't bother me to see them disappear, either.

 
filth [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:08:49 PM  
thebigmike1983: filth: Fark continues to be the highest and best use of the internet.

I don't know about that.


Nice. However, I think the order goes:

1. Fark
2. Zombo
3. This
4. Real Ultimate Power
386. Slashdot
4,378,773. Digg

 
orrinbloquy 2008-10-07 06:08:55 PM  
Weaver95: aside from the occasional cafe thread, I tend to avoid TFD.

One of the main reasons I quit TF was because of the unremitting AWing that went on in them, culminating in an infamous hoax thread where someone claimed another TFer was avoiding him on her business trip.

[Modmins went apeshiat to the max, not only deleting the trainwreck but zealously deleting any and all mentions of it in every other TFD for days, none of which seems consistent with what Drew says in his manifesto above.]

So, there's this ridiculous balancing act that goes on where the mods supposedly don't like trainwrecks despite the fact that the TFers clearly can't get enough of them as their main source of entertainment here (it sure as hell wasn't coming from FarkTV), and to use Drew's "house party" simile, people were getting pissed off on both ends.

 
Cerebral Ballsy 2008-10-07 06:09:02 PM  
Cerebral Ballsy: pwhp_67: doyner: Dude, WTF? Those are all SWF pictures.


They don't belong in a thread on politics. I don't want to turn off the pictures because there are a lot of good political pictures in these threads. Also, I shouldn't have to. I don't go into anything marked NSF or even marked SFW but with the Boobies tab. I do my part it's fair that other people play by the rules...

What is those pics were on topic? What I mean to say, the same pics but the topic was the same? Because those pics, as they are, are censored enough. Either your problem is the off-topic posts, in which case you can write to the Modmins, or those pics are too unsafe for your work, in which case, you'll get a reply that they're safe enough.

If I worked in a church, I wouldn't log onto the internet and complain about the impropriety of the photos posted everywhere.. I'd just stay off the net.


Wow, my post makes no sense.

That should read: what if the piccs were the same and the topic different?

 
Weaver95 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:09:51 PM  
Deveyn: MissFeasance: I like that it's more of a social, friendly banter kind of feel.

Another good (or bad) thing is that most everyone on TFD has seen each other naked.


Nobody has seen ME naked. Actually, I could probably hold all of TFD hostage by threatening to take clothes off unless paid. sort of like a reverse stripper.

 
Richard Pye 2008-10-07 06:10:13 PM  
Deveyn: Another good (or bad) thing is that most everyone on TFD has seen each other naked.

So I just decided to sign up for TotalFark.

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:10:20 PM  
JackAssHole: Drew, any idea what's with the mods pruning specific posts from the TorD threads lately. Apparently when someone posts a pic, then later removes it, the mods come by at some point and delete the post. I've spoken to a couple that had this happen and their posts were still visible to with with a comment to the effect of "deleted due to missing linked image" or such. Don't the mods have better things to do than go and mess up the flow of a thread?

I've also found threads from LONG ago linked in people's profiles that come up missing. Could be a glitch in the matrix, could be lost data, or is there some effort to go back and weed out threads that were great fun but would now be over the limit?

Hardly big issues, but inquiring minds want to know...


Short version:

Moderators have been instructed to leave TF threads alone
TFers can narc posts

You can probably figure out what's going on there

 
sokeri 2008-10-07 06:10:27 PM  
ok, I've got work to do. if StM and Vittles aren't in the thread anymore...

/wishlist in profile

 
at80eighty 2008-10-07 06:10:35 PM  
Drew: 2) what are those numbers to the right of the links?

IT TOOK ME A FULL YEAR TO REALIZE WHAT THAT BIT WAS ABOUT

*headdesk *

 
sokeri 2008-10-07 06:11:22 PM  
Richard Pye: Deveyn: Another good (or bad) thing is that most everyone on TFD has seen each other naked.

So I just decided to sign up for TotalFark.


that doesn't mean it's a good thing. wait until you see who hangs out there.

/ok NOW I'm out.

 
skiptomyloop [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:11:40 PM  
leftyblonde: I don't have anyone on "ignore"...

I just said that to see if anyone was paying attention.


you just wanted some
i288.photobucket.com
didnt you

 
whereisian 2008-10-07 06:11:46 PM  
Weaver95: Nobody has seen ME naked.

Don't worry little guy, it'll happen some day. And then you will be a man.

 
smooshie 2008-10-07 06:12:26 PM  
Drew: Moderators have been instructed to leave TF threads alone

FRICKIN SWEET

 
rssvss [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:12:33 PM  
Drew:

Short version:

Moderators have been instructed to leave TF threads alone
TFers can narc posts

You can probably figure out what's going on there


Now that is FTW

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:12:44 PM  
Drew: 1) where are the photoshop contest submissions?
2) what are those numbers to the right of the links?


HAH!

Once a week, TF threads get asked

1) What is EABOD
2) What is BIE
3) What is DIT
4) What is LGN
5) What is DIAF

and so on and so forth.

 
mattb0611 2008-10-07 06:12:50 PM  
Yeah, my only question is whether shadow banning will stop so that people will cease to have an aneurysm over the subject.

 
Weaver95 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:12:53 PM  
whereisian: Weaver95: Nobody has seen ME naked.

Don't worry little guy, it'll happen some day. And then you will be a man.


last time I got naked it took 3 days to scrub the blood off the ceiling.

Next time i'm using tarps.

 
Dumb-Ass-Monkey [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:13:49 PM  
frenchcheesemuseum: Drew: 1) where are the photoshop contest submissions?
2) what are those numbers to the right of the links?

HAH!

Once a week, TF threads get asked

1) What is EABOD
2) What is BIE
3) What is DIT
4) What is LGN
5) What is DIAF

and so on and so forth.


What's a nubian?
www.viewaskew.com

 
overlord_mike 2008-10-07 06:14:05 PM  
this is way off tpoic, but drew can i get a list of all the Mods so i can higlight their posts in yellow, if a mods telling you something in a thread but your unaware of their status(then being someone in the know) they kinda get lost in the sea of crazies

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:14:06 PM  
IdBeCrazyIf: randomizetimer: As someone who might have had a timeout or two, I appreciate the explanation you gave, Drew. Sometimes we don't know where the line is unless you cross it first. But I am learning where the line is.

I don't think in the 4 odd years I've been here and the COUNTLESS times I've gotten a timeout I could ever tell you where the line is


We don't really either, it's a rough guess. Although I suspect even though folks don't know where the line is, the vast majority do know where the line is not. If you get the distinction.

We tell our moderators that if they can't tell if something crossed the line or not, it did.

 
Richard Pye 2008-10-07 06:14:09 PM  
Weaver95: last time I got naked it took 3 days to scrub the blood off the ceiling.

Next time i'm using tarps.


*fap*

 
JDAT 2008-10-07 06:14:35 PM  
Sow chaos & disorder?

/Sounds like my company's mission statement.

 
Roman Fyseek [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:15:10 PM  
You know, it wouldn't be a bad idea to put one of those red-bannered private message things at the top of threads to notify somebody that they're about to meet the ban-hammer.

Maybe a score: 4/5

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:15:25 PM  
skiptomyloop: leftyblonde: I don't have anyone on "ignore"...

I just said that to see if anyone was paying attention.

you just wanted some

didnt you


i59.photobucket.comi59.photobucket.comi59.photobucket.comi59.photobucket.comi59.photobucket.com


why would you say that? ;p

 
Kernel Disorder 2008-10-07 06:15:34 PM  
I've NEVER seen so much ass kissing in one place.

 
whereisian 2008-10-07 06:15:38 PM  
Weaver95: last time I got naked it took 3 days to scrub the blood off the ceiling.

Next time i'm using tarps.


Approves.
i35.tinypic.com

I always knew there was something not quite right.

 
Weaver95 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:15:40 PM  
Drew 2008-10-07 06:14:06 PM
Richard Pye 2008-10-07 06:14:09 PM

Comedy. Gold.

someone should screen shot that.

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:16:05 PM  
Dumb-Ass-Monkey: What's a nubian?

Okay I LOVED that one.

 
Roman Fyseek [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:17:10 PM  
Drew: Moderators have been instructed to leave TF threads alone
TFers can narc posts

You can probably figure out what's going on there


I smell a p00p thread in our future!

 
Dumb-Ass-Monkey [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:17:54 PM  
Drew: We tell our moderators that if they can't tell if something crossed the line or not, it did.

That seems waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too subjective. One person's 'funny' can easily be another person's 'offensive'.

And that's a MAJOR part of the problem - If you don't actually have guidelines for what's bannable, how are WE supposed to know what's bannable? That is a great example of how you can have people banned and not knowing why.

 
TheLoveOfIsis 2008-10-07 06:17:57 PM  
Drew, since you're here, I'd just like to say... thanks. For everything. I can't even imagine what it must take to keep this place in line (especially with us elitist TFers and all.)

/By the way, I'm awesome, right?
//Tell me I'm awesome
///I need e-validation

 
bionicFAG 2008-10-07 06:18:07 PM  
Okay, who peed in the communal bowl of Cheerios?

/what the fark brought that on anyway?
//oh well, I read the posting rules so I guess that was good

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:18:12 PM  
Alright biatches - whose been narcing me then?

 
Dumb-Ass-Monkey [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:18:47 PM  
frenchcheesemuseum: Dumb-Ass-Monkey: What's a nubian?

Okay I LOVED that one.


heh, thanks.

 
doyner [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:18:56 PM  
Roman Fyseek: Drew: Moderators have been instructed to leave TF threads alone
TFers can narc posts

You can probably figure out what's going on there

I smell a p00p thread in our future!


Remember, Farkers are banned so that threads may live.

 
nakhash 2008-10-07 06:19:04 PM  
make me some tea

nakhash: disciplinary emails

This is what's missing from Fark's moderation much of the time. Being consistent on this would curb a lot of douchey behavior.


Oh yes, this is very important. In fact, we're required to have this "paper trail" of disciplinary emails and warnings before taking the next step with a time out. Most members really just aren't aware what the the rules say (don't read them) or, at times, that they even exist. :-/

Usually, an explanation of the problem is sufficient and there is no recurrence. It also helps make the trouble-makers stand out when they argue against the rules (if they don't agree, they aren't likely to obey) and it quickly becomes apparent they have absolutely no intention of following them.

 
geniusiknowit [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:19:10 PM  
Srsly tho.... some sites will allow posts and such to get buried by users voting against it, which I agree sucks cock hard.

What if we just allowed people to flag posts, stories, and threads as NSFW. Then each user could set his NSFW threshold... say 3 votes, or 10 votes, whatever, and they wouldn't see it as long as they had the "Hide NSFW" enabled. Stories and threads could be flagged by ratio of SFW:NSFW votes, rather than by accumulation of NSFW votes.
Submitters and posters could optionally check a NSFW box for each of their own posts they know to be NSFW, which would automatically hide it for people with the Hide NSFW enabled. Or rather than hiding the post altogether, it would just require clicking a + to show.

And for those whose frequently post NSFW without flagging their own as such, they would get a warning, then a bannination.

Less work for the mods, less biatching by Farkers. More work for Drew?

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:19:13 PM  
Weaver95: someone should screen shot that.

for an UN-simulpost? WHY? i don't get it.

 
TheLoveOfIsis 2008-10-07 06:19:14 PM  
frenchcheesemuseum: Alright biatches - whose been narcing me then?

Me? Narc on my morning cup of coffee? NEVAR

 
DeCypher44 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:19:37 PM  
Bob Balaban: So here's what I don't get: Why did Peter need to get Sylar's power to save the future?

THAT made me laugh. Thanks!!!

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:20:03 PM  
Weaver95: Drew: Only in cases where we think a particular login is the alt of someone already banned. Otherwise for the most part no

one thing we've seen kicked around on the Politics tab is that there MIGHT be a couple paid campaign operatives floating around with a couple alts who show up to f*ck with news story threads. There does seem to be a rise in obvious talking point trollery around major campaign events. we've even caught 'one shot' alts showing up to dump campaign memos straight from freeperland right into Fark, then they cut and run.

I don't know if you could even TRY to stop shiat like that.


Might? It's way beyond might. Every major site out there has a total infestation of campaign operatives in political threads

 
smooshie 2008-10-07 06:20:06 PM  
frenchcheesemuseum: Alright biatches - whose been narcing me then?

I will, the next time you post that stupid SHUT UP line.

 
Weaver95 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:20:14 PM  
frenchcheesemuseum: Alright biatches - whose been narcing me then?

The smackbottoms.

swear to GOD!

 
Cerebral Ballsy 2008-10-07 06:20:33 PM  
Drew: do you guys have a permanent record on us? If so, can you tell me if I've ever been shadowbanned? Because I'd never heard of this before today, but I swear there was this one time where it seemed no one could see my posts.

 
heap [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:20:37 PM  
Ystros: Tagged.

you really are freaking everywhere.

 
JDAT 2008-10-07 06:21:29 PM  
I thought the goal was for moderators to experience the rush that comes with playing God by random banning...no?

 
Weaver95 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:21:32 PM  
frenchcheesemuseum: Weaver95: someone should screen shot that.

for an UN-simulpost? WHY? i don't get it.


*sigh*

Never mind.

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:22:19 PM  
i59.photobucket.com

 
smooshie 2008-10-07 06:22:20 PM  
I wonder where Cerbraal Ballsy is, I haven't seen him post in a long time.

 
heap [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:22:27 PM  
Dumb-Ass-Monkey: If you don't actually have guidelines for what's bannable, how are WE supposed to know what's bannable?

just assume it is, and do it anyway.

 
thebigmike1983 2008-10-07 06:22:28 PM  
Cerebral Ballsy: but I swear there was this one time where it seemed no one could see my posts.

You were just being REALLLLLLLLLY boring that week.

 
smooshie 2008-10-07 06:22:57 PM  
frenchcheesemuseum: NSFW

Yeah, great idea. Right in Drew's thread too.

 
Dumb-Ass-Monkey [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:22:58 PM  
heap: just assume it is, and do it anyway.

generally how i live my life. I find it's easier to as forgiveness than permission.

 
Deveyn [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:22:59 PM  
Cerebral Ballsy: but I swear there was this one time where it seemed no one could see my posts.

We all got together the day before and put you on ignore just to f*ck with you.

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:23:09 PM  
EsteeFlwrPot: are we really doing this page thing with threads now? it's so annoying.

/I know, wheres my whaaaaambulance.


Only on huge ass threads, it's still optional everywhere else

 
robsul82 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:23:21 PM  
Weaver95: As regarding the politics tab discussions, I cannot stress strongly enough that we've got an ignore button for a reason. if someone really gets you hot and bothered, put them on ignore for the duration of the discussion. It's a tool - use it if you need it. I'm sure i've been marked on 'ignore' by quite a few people over the past year or so, but I don't take it personally.

Why do we have mods at all if the attitude is "just use the ignore button?"

 
smooshie 2008-10-07 06:23:48 PM  
Drew: Only on huge ass threads, it's still optional everywhere else

It's optional here too, just hit "Show All" and refresh away.

 
Richard Pye 2008-10-07 06:23:58 PM  
Drew: Only on huge ass threads

What side of the line is a thread about huge ass?

 
JDAT 2008-10-07 06:24:02 PM  
DRTFA

 
Cerebral Ballsy 2008-10-07 06:24:03 PM  
Lols. But no, I swear there was a time where I was posting.. and nothing. No one would reply. I logged off. Perhaps I was drunk?

 
mattb0611 2008-10-07 06:24:15 PM  
frenchcheesemuseum: Plus I can do this:

Damn you, frenchcheesemuseum!

 
Deveyn [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:24:27 PM  
frenchcheesemuseum: Plus I can do this:

Great, the right side of my monitor just exploded.

 
JackAssHole [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:24:32 PM  
Drew: JackAssHole: Drew, any idea what's with the mods pruning specific posts from the TorD threads lately. Apparently when someone posts a pic, then later removes it, the mods come by at some point and delete the post. I've spoken to a couple that had this happen and their posts were still visible to with with a comment to the effect of "deleted due to missing linked image" or such. Don't the mods have better things to do than go and mess up the flow of a thread?

I've also found threads from LONG ago linked in people's profiles that come up missing. Could be a glitch in the matrix, could be lost data, or is there some effort to go back and weed out threads that were great fun but would now be over the limit?

Hardly big issues, but inquiring minds want to know...

Short version:

Moderators have been instructed to leave TF threads alone
TFers can narc posts

You can probably figure out what's going on there


That doesn't explain a "victim" saying "I can still see my posts, but they say 'deleted because of broken image link'" when I e-mailed asking where the post had gone. And other missing pics were supposedly not narc-worthy either. I dunno, just odd.

 
Weaver95 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:24:43 PM  
robsul82: Why do we have mods at all if the attitude is "just use the ignore button?"

Because there is good and there is evil and some asshattery needs to be punished. I will not compromise in this, not even in the face of Armegeddon.

 
rssvss [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:25:04 PM  
Notify admins about this

frenchcheesemuseum:
broke my browser with that NSFW crap


/lol

 
Dumb-Ass-Monkey [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:25:05 PM  
Drew: Only on huge ass threads,

imgs.xkcd.com

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:25:20 PM  
robsul82: I swear the "Total" in the new TotalFark heading is getting blacker over time...

That's racist

 
robsul82 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:25:20 PM  
Drew: EsteeFlwrPot: are we really doing this page thing with threads now? it's so annoying.

/I know, wheres my whaaaaambulance.

Only on huge ass threads, it's still optional everywhere else


Totally necessary, good call.

 
doyner [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:25:35 PM  
Weaver95: frenchcheesemuseum: Weaver95: someone should screen shot that.

for an UN-simulpost? WHY? i don't get it.

*sigh*

Never mind.


I got it and larfed.

 
Acrox 2008-10-07 06:25:36 PM  
Dread Pirate Slasher: I got one for posting a "prove me wrong" thread, one for a "posting ending in _" and the third one was just random. I think Moot likes farking with random people.

In /b/ they take a little too serious with two of the "Rules of the Internet":

8. There are no real rules about posting.
9. There are no real rules about moderation either - enjoy your ban.


That is, you could get banned for nothing. I would be everlasting happier if only #34 were enforced (and still it is a lot of mindfark that would make Rambo curl in a ball and cry)

 
Weaver95 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:25:42 PM  
Drew: Might? It's way beyond might. Every major site out there has a total infestation of campaign operatives in political threads

It's gonna get worse too.

 
mattb0611 2008-10-07 06:25:56 PM  
Dumb-Ass-Monkey: imgs.xkcd.com

Ewww.

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:26:01 PM  
GregoryD: Weaver95: Heh. I blatantly stole the idea for some of the gamer forums I moderate. Nobody's hit the 'rutabega' filter yet though.

Fark stole...errr borrowed it from a MUD. 3 Kingdoms (Drew was a admin) replaced curse words with the equivalent and it was definitely borrowed from that.


This is true. However I came up with it there too

 
JDAT 2008-10-07 06:26:02 PM  
Drew: Weaver95: Drew: Only in cases where we think a particular login is the alt of someone already banned. Otherwise for the most part no

one thing we've seen kicked around on the Politics tab is that there MIGHT be a couple paid campaign operatives floating around with a couple alts who show up to f*ck with news story threads. There does seem to be a rise in obvious talking point trollery around major campaign events. we've even caught 'one shot' alts showing up to dump campaign memos straight from freeperland right into Fark, then they cut and run.

I don't know if you could even TRY to stop shiat like that.

Might? It's way beyond might. Every major site out there has a total infestation of campaign operatives in political threads


I thought Freepers didn't believe in cutting & running?

 
Richard Pye 2008-10-07 06:26:17 PM  
Cerebral Ballsy: Lols. But no, I swear there was a time where I was posting.. and nothing. No one would reply. I logged off. Perhaps I was drunk?

Everyone gets that from time to time. It's called "Not being interesting or funny".

 
robsul82 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:26:40 PM  
Drew: robsul82: I swear the "Total" in the new TotalFark heading is getting blacker over time...

That's racist


Not even the Asian "That's wacist!" kid would find that raci...er, wacist.

Weaver95: robsul82: Why do we have mods at all if the attitude is "just use the ignore button?"

Because there is good and there is evil and some asshattery needs to be punished. I will not compromise in this, not even in the face of Armegeddon.


Hijacking threads day after day, to me, falls into the "asshattery needs to be punished" category.

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:26:45 PM  
are you talking about my butt again?

 
EverWatcher [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:27:25 PM  
1) BEGIN A PERMANENT LIST OF HIGHEST-VOTED (and LOWEST-VOTED) THREADS (if at all trackable). The yearly voting is a decent start, but a feature similar to the other Top lists would be quite appropriate.

2) Thanx for the "user coloring/tagging" feature. Being able to instantly notice when friends, attention whores, and Fark celebrities are posting is a critical bonus.

 
rssvss [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:27:39 PM  
leftyblonde: are you talking about my butt again?

yes, you know you like it...

 
Cerebral Ballsy 2008-10-07 06:28:02 PM  
Richard Pye: Cerebral Ballsy: Lols. But no, I swear there was a time where I was posting.. and nothing. No one would reply. I logged off. Perhaps I was drunk?

Everyone gets that from time to time. It's called "Not being interesting or funny".


Not possible.

 
Weaver95 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:28:05 PM  
JDAT: I thought Freepers didn't believe in cutting & running?

they believe in dropping walls of text into discussion threads, NOT discussing shiat and then leaving to go pollute another forum. it's extremely non-helpful, to say the least.

I don't mind honest disagreement. I *do* mind chatbots.

 
goeniegoegoe [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:28:18 PM  
Who's your favorite TF-er Drew?

Who's your least favorite TF-er?

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:28:49 PM  
rssvss: leftyblonde: are you talking about my butt again?

yes, you know you like it...


well hai thar!

how YOU doin'?

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:29:17 PM  
Weaver95: The smackbottoms.

The smackbottoms love me. Well they said they do. Lying tramps.

 
Roman Fyseek [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:30:24 PM  
I *so* hope that TMLO has a TMLO Theatre ready to go for this thread.

 
painendstheass 2008-10-07 06:30:33 PM  
fark moderators are all about censoring opinions they do not agree with. dare to criticize the right wing groupthink that permeates the comments here and you are inevitably censored.

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:30:43 PM  
DeanMoriarty: I will say that I don't subscribe to TF purely because of one previous moderation/bannination action that was entirely over-zealous, poorly carried out, and scattershot. My guess is that's cost about $250 I would have contributed over the years.

So I'm taking the Fairness doctrine with a grain of salt.


I have a friend who won't watch baseball because of the strike 15 years ago. Can't convince him otherwise either

 
AlwaysRightBoy [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:30:57 PM  
So after this rather civil discussion, I expect the debate thread will tea and biscuits tonight?

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:30:58 PM  
goeniegoegoe: Who's your favorite TF-er Drew?

Who's your least favorite TF-er?


one of them is not you and the other one is not me?

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:31:19 PM  
goeniegoegoe: Who's your favorite TF-er Drew?

Who's your least favorite TF-er?


I would like to know this as well.

In fact, I would like to take the run for office as the most annoying TFette.

 
ultraholland [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:31:44 PM  
Hey Drew,

I take issue with the complete lack of consistency when moderating pictures. I've seen more or less offensive images (not offensive to me though, I don't give two shiats) posted and remain in threads, yet me and many others have been slapped around for posting images that are about as offensive as plain yogurt. I've even received timeouts for posting SFW images from a greenlit article (RE: Stripper Grannies).

I read when you addressed this issue months ago. I know there's no clear line. I know this isn't a site for smut. I've read and reread the FArQ, but I feel that if the images I'm talking about are not to be viewed in an office, well maybe the employee shouldn't be Farking at work.

I say this because that seems to be my biggest offense. The Mods have rightfully punished me a few times, but I must stress few. I'm sure this line of thought applies to many others here.

Thanks for reading if you do get around to it.

 
rssvss [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:31:51 PM  
leftyblonde:

well hai thar!

how YOU doin'?


good, so far today.

you doing well?

 
prjindigo 2008-10-07 06:32:01 PM  
I agree with drew, no 4chan 4 u!

 
Richard Pye 2008-10-07 06:32:15 PM  
frenchcheesemuseum: In fact, I would like to take the run for office as the most annoying TFette.

EsteeFlwrPot in a landslide.

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:32:17 PM  
Drew: I have a friend who won't watch baseball because of the strike 15 years ago. Can't convince him otherwise either

you wants me to smack him for ya?

 
bartink 2008-10-07 06:32:28 PM  
It would be nice if we could reverse the comments in chunked big ass threads. Heh.

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:33:16 PM  
IdBeCrazyIf: Drew: It takes a lot to get knocked out permanently. That's our next discussion

Seriously.....

Okay quick question, and Im pretty certain you know exactly who I'm talking about when I reference this.

At what point is the decision made to throw someone from the door, and for lack of a better why between two people who do the same thing. One get the perma ban and another escape with a 2 month slap on the hand.

or will this be covered in the next discussion

Fark ElectricModaratoo 2?


it's a moving target, couldn't say really. Has a lot to do with how discussions go with the farkback mods.

(and I don't actually know who you're talking about)

 
Sir Vanderhoot 2008-10-07 06:33:46 PM  
I've only been banned twice in the handful of years I've been posting on here. The first time I deserved it, I had just gotten into TF and submitted a TFD thread that I knew was borderline at best, so that didn't really surprise me.

The second time was basically the reason that hotlinking is a bad thing, in the worst way possible (in a thread I loved, of course). Not my fault, technically, but I wasn't too surprised at it.

But the main beef that I have with banning is that we're not allowed to talk about it after the fact. What this basically means is that the only way to know where the line is is to cross it yourself, instead of talking about it and observing. When I came back into said epic thread I had to pretend I had never been banned, because there was such an absurd stigma on discussing why I had been banned and where I had disappeared to for that amount of time.

I just think that being able talking about what gets you banned (assuming that it's apologetic and not whining or repeating the mistake) will help others avoid the mistake.

 
rssvss [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:33:46 PM  
goeniegoegoe: Who's your favorite TF-er Drew?

Who's your least favorite TF-er?


Lefty and YOU

that order

 
JDAT 2008-10-07 06:33:56 PM  
I just look at Fark for the articles.

Seriously though Drew, is all of this needed to better define your moderation policies? It's your site. just make up the rules as you go and don't look back.

 
Nemo's Brother 2008-10-07 06:34:16 PM  
Considering that outrages headlines always go green, I kind of see a discrepancy between their theory and practice.

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:34:20 PM  
ultraholland: I take issue with the complete lack of consistency when moderating pictures. I've seen more or less offensive images (not offensive to me though, I don't give two shiats) posted and remain in threads, yet me and many others have been slapped around for posting images that are about as offensive as plain yogurt. I've even received timeouts for posting SFW images from a greenlit article (RE: Stripper Grannies).

I CAN RELATE. You know what I do now, just to be on the safe side, I link all questionable images with NSFW and (poops). Seriously, whether I've seen them posted in threads before or not. Nobody could moderate this site 100% of the time, I just don't risk it anymore.

You know, deep in you bums, which pics might cross the line.

 
ottosmom [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:34:35 PM  
WHARRRRRGARBL!

 
Mayostard [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:34:35 PM  
NASAM: Careful, the only time I've been banned (twice) was for commenting on the Mods in the threads.

That's ok. It's been removed anyway.
I figured that a thread about moderation should welcome a comment on moderation, citing an example.

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:34:59 PM  
Richard Pye: EsteeFlwrPot in a landslide.

Tigga please!

I'll settle for filthiest TFette.

 
geniusiknowit [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:35:16 PM  
frenchcheesemuseum: geniusiknowit: What if we just allowed people to flag posts, stories, and threads as NSFW. Then each user could set his NSFW threshold... say 3 votes, or 10 votes, whatever, and they wouldn't see it as long as they had the "Hide NSFW" enabled. Stories and threads could be flagged by ratio of SFW:NSFW votes, rather than by accumulation of NSFW votes.
Submitters and posters could optionally check a NSFW box for each of their own posts they know to be NSFW, which would automatically hide it for people with the Hide NSFW enabled. Or rather than hiding the post altogether, it would just require clicking a + to show.

And for those whose frequently post NSFW without flagging their own as such, they would get a warning, then a bannination.

Less work for the mods, less biatching by Farkers. More work for Drew?

Why not just link NSFW stuff. I do and I have no problems at all anymore. It is very easy to do.


Yes, but NSFW is a judgment call. It depends on the viewer, and place of employment. I've worked at places where it's perfectly acceptable to leave in your cache the occasional picture of russian teen horse farking, or a pic of someone playing with their own puke. I've also worked places where the Sears catalog is too risque. But most places are somewhere in-between, so it's that huge grey area that gets a lot of people (sometimes me) in trouble, and allowing others to flag a post as NSFW would be a bit more fair, IMO.

 
hubiestubert [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:35:22 PM  
Consistency. Transparency. Clarification and communication.

How can we address issues, if we aren't sure who to address an issue to, and if it takes months to get acknowledgment that problem exists?

The feeling is that Mods and Admins sometimes just ignore problems--and that is where things get hinkey, because it creates more problems. We sometimes have no idea where the line is, because it's not communicated well. Yes, it's more work, but it would actively head off problems, as opposed to resentment and confusion.

The turn around time, which can span months for a response to questions like, "Why can't I sponsor someone?" or "Am I shadowbanned?" is what leads some folks to get uppitty. I've been lucky to get quick responses, but I know folks who've literally waited months for responses, and that lack of communication has led folks to get frustrated.

Frustrated people lash out. They are Moderated. It's a cycle that can be prevented, and in the end makes less work, and less folks all prickley.

 
Mayostard [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:35:28 PM  
Nevermind. I'm a true dumbass.
Yes... I admit it.

 
goeniegoegoe [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:35:28 PM  
frenchcheesemuseum: You know, deep in you bums

No, I don't know. Could you post an example here kind lady?

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:35:35 PM  
rssvss: goeniegoegoe: Who's your favorite TF-er Drew?

Who's your least favorite TF-er?

Lefty and YOU

that order


be nice or I'm gonna smack somebody!

/just kidding
//you live too far away

 
Adman12 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:35:50 PM  
My personal sentiments lie with the consenting adults crowd, but the problem with leaving things completely alone is they tend to drift toward the darker side regardless of people's best intentions. Some have suggested that we create a darker section of Fark and just leave it alone altogether (with warnings when you were about to cross over). I personally have no problem with something like that existing - elsewhere. For example, I don't mind going to the occasional strip club but I don't want to run or own one. Same goes for that kind of community, I have no problem with it existing per se somewhere out there on the Internet, but there are some not-so-good ramifications of it existing inside Fark that I'd rather avoid. So for the consenting adults crowd, I get it, but we can't do it.

I'm sure it's been mentioned already, but I can't read this entire farking thread, but... ummm... Foobies?

 
JDAT 2008-10-07 06:36:12 PM  
I guess my only serious question is how much is too much? If I post something that gets me banned once a week is that OK? I really would like to be more offensive on Fridays.

 
hockeyfarker 2008-10-07 06:36:22 PM  
at80eighty:
Drew: 2) what are those numbers to the right of the links?

IT TOOK ME A FULL YEAR TO REALIZE WHAT THAT BIT WAS ABOUT

*headdesk *


It took me a long time too. Then I was like what the hell is wrong with these people, they're all morons.

now look at me.

 
bsharitt [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:36:46 PM  
Is it true that all IPs for the the city of Winnipeg have been banned?

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:36:48 PM  
JDAT: I just look at Fark for the articles.

Seriously though Drew, is all of this needed to better define your moderation policies? It's your site. just make up the rules as you go and don't look back.


Coming from a liter.

Well guess what, Drew takes our money each month. Although it is not a gold mine of money he takes from us, we do pay to be here. I think the fact that he is at least offering an explanation of why is admirable.

*damn I ass kissed*

 
professorkowalski [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:36:59 PM  
leftyblonde: Drew: I have a friend who won't watch baseball because of the strike 15 years ago. Can't convince him otherwise either

you wants me to smack him for ya?


I think lefty needs to be in charge of security.

 
clear_prop [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:37:11 PM  
Drew: Might? It's way beyond might. Every major site out there has a total infestation of campaign operatives in political threads

How about limiting new users from posting in Politics within six months of the election? I assume the paid operatives are mostly new users, not letting users newer then six months post will weed out most of them.

 
goeniegoegoe [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:37:19 PM  
hockeyfarker: now look at me

I saw a pic of you playing ice hockey with tin_man.

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:38:04 PM  
professorkowalski: I think lefty needs to be in charge of security.

this!

 
Sir Vanderhoot 2008-10-07 06:38:04 PM  
geniusiknowit:

Why not just link NSFW stuff. I do and I have no problems at all anymore. It is very easy to do.

Yes, but NSFW is a judgment call. It depends on the viewer, and place of employment. I've worked at places where it's perfectly acceptable to leave in your cache the occasional picture of russian teen horse farking, or a pic of someone playing with their own puke. I've also worked places where the Sears catalog is too risque. But most places are somewhere in-between, so it's that huge grey area that gets a lot of people (sometimes me) in trouble, and allowing others to flag a post as NSFW would be a bit more fair, IMO.


I think that a lot of it is in what thread it's in. You go into a Scarlett Johanasen thread, you can be pretty certain there's a good number of pics in there toeing the SFW line. But if you're in some dry-as-sand thread about the economics of China, and some random bikini pic pops up, that could be a problem if you think you're ok at your old-school job.

 
Deveyn [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:38:07 PM  
bsharitt: Is it true that all IPs for the the city of Winnipeg have been banned?

*FACEPALM*

 
hockeyfarker 2008-10-07 06:38:25 PM  
hey Drew, if I get sponsored for six months, rather than paying for it... do I get an Ultrafark e-mail?

 
Farkomatic 2008-10-07 06:38:53 PM  
I don't know what the big deal is.

When I act like an idiot, I blend.

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:39:01 PM  
geniusiknowit: Yes, but NSFW is a judgment call.

It is, however, on those ones like the Sears catalog, where you catch a ban (although I find that hard to believe) fark back works wonders. If you are genuinely surprised that you got banned for such a mild image, they will usually take that into consideration and lesson or remove the timeout.

Unless of course you act like a douche about it. I'm not saying you are acting like a douche, but I've just always found them to be fair and I REALLY PUSH THE LIMITS SOMETIMES.

 
FuturePastNow [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:39:01 PM  
hubiestubert: True enough, but that's still sort of impersonal bile. It's just free floating Trolling. TFD has very personalized bile. And that is a world of difference.

I only joined TF in late 2006, which really isn't that long ago, but the tone of TFD certainly has changed a lot since then.

 
professorkowalski [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:39:04 PM  
clear_prop: Drew: Might? It's way beyond might. Every major site out there has a total infestation of campaign operatives in political threads

How about limiting new users from posting in Politics within six months of the election? I assume the paid operatives are mostly new users, not letting users newer then six months post will weed out most of them.


I would say just don't let new users post in politics for 6 months, regardless of campaign season or not. Would keep some, but obviously not all, the biased riff raff out.

 
hockeyfarker 2008-10-07 06:39:16 PM  
also can we get goeniegoegoe sh*tcanned for life because he labeled me as an Oiler?

 
melopene [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:39:25 PM  
Drew: GregoryD: Weaver95: Heh. I blatantly stole the idea for some of the gamer forums I moderate. Nobody's hit the 'rutabega' filter yet though.

Fark stole...errr borrowed it from a MUD. 3 Kingdoms (Drew was a admin) replaced curse words with the equivalent and it was definitely borrowed from that.

This is true. However I came up with it there too


Is 3k even still open? I had the odd urge to go play a MUD again a few days ago, but all my old haunts are long gone. Never really cared for 3k back in the early days of Fark, but hey, ya never know.

 
ultraholland [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:39:59 PM  
hockeyfarker: hey Drew, if I get sponsored for six months, rather than paying for it... do I get an Ultrafark e-mail?

No. No you don't.

 
Roman Fyseek [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:40:02 PM  
professorkowalski: I think lefty needs to be in charge of security.

Or glitter.

 
skiptomyloop [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:40:31 PM  
goeniegoegoe: hockeyfarker: now look at me

I saw a pic of you playing ice tonsil hockey with tin_man.


FTFY

 
baked beans 2008-10-07 06:41:19 PM  
I would like to address the alt issue.....

The last I knew, Drew does have an alt and several people know the name..... he posted it several years ago.

This name would be considered an alt..... it is, however, my last active TF account and that is why I'm using it. There isn't much secret to who I am. It was created as a lark with several friends just for humor. it seemed to work at the time.

I have had other alts that I used mainly in politics threads, because some folks get horribly ugly in politics, look at your profile and then commence with gross personal attacks. I'm sorry that I don't follow the same agenda as you, but taking my email and posting it on other sites with derogatory comments is the height of cowardice.

My back ground, likes, wish list etc have been attacked simply for posting my beliefs or challenging someone else's.

 
mepiget 2008-10-07 06:41:26 PM  
I would just like to say that you might keep it in mind, Drew, that people come to your site for entertainment, not in order that they should have the opportunity to observe an absurdly long list of absurdly rigorous rules and be treated like children. I find the patriarchal attitude of the modmins and you to be quite obnoxious. That's the direction Gawker media's been going in lately and in my opinion it's killing the sites. Why ever would one wish to spend his free time abiding by any rules at all - and, in particular, largely arbitrary rules which were largely arbitrarily and capriciously enforced (and despite what you say, I think that's quite true of Fark)? (I do, however, know why you would wish this. If the reason's not already painfully obvious to everyone: money)

/No I didn't come into this thread to bat my eyes at you and express my interest in sucking your dick. "Oh, sure, Mr. Drew, sir. Whatever you say, sir! This moderating is excellent, sir! I deserved to be banned that one time, sir, when I told another farker that he was a 'dumb-dumb'. Oh yes, I'm a terrible person, Mr. Drew. I'll go flog myself in the corner now... for you *bat* *bat*."
//That's how these Drew-deigns-to-talk-to-the-commoners threads ALWAYS go. It's baffling and pathetic.

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:41:34 PM  
where is that one guy anyway?

 
rssvss [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:42:04 PM  
Roman Fyseek: professorkowalski: I think lefty needs to be in charge of security.

Or glitter.


*LOL*

 
JDAT 2008-10-07 06:42:15 PM  
I'm tempted to hit the red (Notify moderaters about this thread) button.

 
Richard Pye 2008-10-07 06:42:29 PM  
leftyblonde: where is that one guy anyway?

Dave's not here, man.

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:43:15 PM  
skiptomyloop: goeniegoegoe: hockeyfarker: now look at me

I saw a pic of you playing ice tonsil hockey with tin_man.

FTFY


He was only kissing him on the cheek. From the inside.

 
I_C_Weener [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:43:28 PM  
DeerNuts: More Weeners. Many more Weeners. Please.

That's all I have to say about that.


I'm just one man, but I'll try to post more.

Drew...and Mods...my one real complaint is one I've heard others say. Why is it that a farker can get banned because of submitting silly crap because others report it as abuse of the queue...or simply because other farkers take it on themselves to over report an individual for offenses? This appears to encourage reporting someone that a farker disagrees with simply to get them banned, not to clean up Fark.

Is there a way that a Mod Appeal process can be set up that is different than Farkback? I'm talking about an automatic Mod Review of a Mod's decision. Something other than backdooring through spamming Farkback or your personal email (Yep, that's right people. He and I are so tight I know his email address.)?

I find that there are timeouts imposed for silly stuff, and I wonder if the ban is for the amount of reporting rather than the quantum of the offense.

And yes, I'll keep on submitting silly threads. Even if I get reported. This site needs more fun nonsense, instead of Palin/Obama/McCain/Biden end of the world stuff.

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:43:32 PM  
has anybody seen that blurfyblonde around lately?

that biatch owes me money!

 
Nemo's Brother 2008-10-07 06:43:51 PM  
I do not like how it is impossible to ever get a Photoshop idea greenlit unless you know a mod.

 
Starryeyes [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:44:41 PM  
hot damn. is there a cliff's notes version of this thread?

 
Richard Pye 2008-10-07 06:45:29 PM  
Starryeyes: hot damn. is there a cliff's notes version of this thread?

Posts 1-1600 : "Starryeyes needs to GTFO"

 
Adman12 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:45:34 PM  
Starryeyes: hot damn. is there a cliff's notes version of this thread?

I barely made it through Drew's "boobies"...

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:45:46 PM  
mepiget: //That's how these Drew-deigns-to-talk-to-the-commoners threads ALWAYS go. It's baffling and pathetic.

Well good for you. You still don't get it. It's HIS site, he can make all the fukcing rules he wants. You don't like it then GTFO.

Nobody forces you to log into Fark every morning and be annoyed at the childish behavior and hardcore moderation.

 
robsul82 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:46:12 PM  
Starryeyes: hot damn. is there a cliff's notes version of this thread?

Basically, the one notable thing to remember is that we discovered that we have permanent records on Fark.

 
goeniegoegoe [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:46:46 PM  
Starryeyes: hot damn. is there a cliff's notes version of this thread?

Drew tells some basic rules.

Lots of people have complaints.

He gives answers.

And Lefty and Frencheesemuseum are here.

 
Paryb [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:46:53 PM  
robsul82: Basically, the one notable thing to remember is that we discovered that we have permanent records on Fark.

I'd pay 5 bucks to see mine.

 
pwhp_67 2008-10-07 06:46:56 PM  
doyner: If you think the party is lame then leave.


If it's OK for people to threadjack and do shiat against the FarQ then why is Drew posting these novels about changes?

I don't care about the 10 things I could do when people break the rules, I care about the rules being even and applying to everyone...

 
geniusiknowit [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:47:09 PM  
Sir Vanderhoot: geniusiknowit:

Why not just link NSFW stuff. I do and I have no problems at all anymore. It is very easy to do.

Yes, but NSFW is a judgment call. It depends on the viewer, and place of employment. I've worked at places where it's perfectly acceptable to leave in your cache the occasional picture of russian teen horse farking, or a pic of someone playing with their own puke. I've also worked places where the Sears catalog is too risque. But most places are somewhere in-between, so it's that huge grey area that gets a lot of people (sometimes me) in trouble, and allowing others to flag a post as NSFW would be a bit more fair, IMO.

I think that a lot of it is in what thread it's in. You go into a Scarlett Johanasen thread, you can be pretty certain there's a good number of pics in there toeing the SFW line. But if you're in some dry-as-sand thread about the economics of China, and some random bikini pic pops up, that could be a problem if you think you're ok at your old-school job.


Or so one would think. But having been on Fark for a number of years, I know that sometimes even a discourse on the economics of China can be incomplete without bikini pics.

So again, allowing all Farkers some degree of participation in the moderation (without having to pester the mods, whose main tool is a hammer) would be good. I don't think things are bad now (although Fark is sadly a lot tamer than it was), but that doesn't mean some clever tweaking can't make things better.

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:47:13 PM  
doyner: Drew: stargazer101: Will the political bents of moderators and their ensuing biases towards greenlighting vs. redlighting be discussed? I hope so.

Not really. The short version is we keep a running count of how many greenlit liberal and conservative articles there are and green future ones trying to bring that count back to equal. The longer version is some people only see what they want to see, and that's not my area of expertise

I read a quote from you once addressing the absurdity of "equal time." Not that you were categorically opposed to it, but I was particularly surprised to see the implementation of the link "balancing" based on that statement. It would seem to me that seeking to average out political green lights lends itself to giving a lot of undeserving silliness a forum on your site.


It's not equal time, it's equal opportunity heckling. I hate politics.

 
hockeyfarker 2008-10-07 06:47:19 PM  
cliff's notes:

1. Don't do anything here you wouldn't want your mother to see.

2. If you do, make sure you only do it about every six months or so.


that's summed up from the other cliff's notes.

 
Richard Pye 2008-10-07 06:47:46 PM  
pwhp_67: I care about the rules being even and applying to everyone...

Haha, good luck with that.

 
blueswoman 2008-10-07 06:47:51 PM  
markie_farkie: I'm all for anything that doesn't prevent me from proving that I'm a complete moron at times!

HEYYY!! :)

that's pretty much all i had to add to the general discussion, BTW. i agree it's drew's site, i try to follow the rules and haven't been on vacation in ages (except from TFD right now).

thanks, drew, for sharing what goes on a bit. for the people with genuine questions, there are answers. for the complainers, eh ... no solution. they are what/whom they are.

 
Starryeyes [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:48:01 PM  
robsul82: Basically, the one notable thing to remember is that we discovered that we have permanent records on Fark.

i'm not really surprised at that, how else could multiple moderators keep track of repeat offenders?

Richard Pye: Posts 1-1600 : "Starryeyes needs to GTFO"

LIBEL!

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:48:17 PM  
Drew: I hate politics.

me too!!!

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:48:22 PM  
el_dudarino: Drew, I'm starting to get the feeling I am beyond help. Is this true?

You're still here, so I'm guessing no?

 
robsul82 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:48:28 PM  
Paryb: robsul82: Basically, the one notable thing to remember is that we discovered that we have permanent records on Fark.

I'd pay 5 bucks to see mine.


Yeah. I've had a handful of 24-hour timeouts, and I think one 72-hour timeout, but the only specific instance I can recall was when I learned why it's not very intelligent to hotlink images.

/and that was a 24 hour lesson

 
heap [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:49:01 PM  
Starryeyes: hot damn. is there a cliff's notes version of this thread?

bingo syphilis monkeyspunk.

 
professorkowalski [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:49:14 PM  
Paryb: robsul82: Basically, the one notable thing to remember is that we discovered that we have permanent records on Fark.

I'd pay 5 bucks to see mine.


the five bucks a month should give us a chance on a monthly basis to see anything new fark has on you. Just so you know what they have written down about you.

 
Ksup 2008-10-07 06:49:15 PM  
frenchcheesemuseum

Nobody forces you to log into Fark every morning and be annoyed at the childish behavior and hardcore moderation.


You know that works the other way for nsfw crap right

/no you probably don't do you

 
Atomic Grumpbot ver.3 2008-10-07 06:49:23 PM  
frenchcheesemuseum: Alright biatches - whose been narcing me then?

Snitches get stiches.

/thread over

 
Richard Pye 2008-10-07 06:49:24 PM  
leftyblonde: me too!!!

I love the politics tab. I treat it like a buffet, I take what I want, when I want, and gorge myself. I love the wackiness. It adds spice. Plus some of the trolling is really quite outstanding.

 
robsul82 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:49:31 PM  
Starryeyes: robsul82: Basically, the one notable thing to remember is that we discovered that we have permanent records on Fark.

i'm not really surprised at that, how else could multiple moderators keep track of repeat offenders?


I'm shocked there's anything that organized on Fark.

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:49:31 PM  
pwhp_67: I don't care about the 10 things I could do when people break the rules, I care about the rules being even and applying to everyone...

Fairness seems to be the only real issue most TFers have with the moderation anyways.

 
rssvss [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:50:14 PM  
leftyblonde: Drew: I hate politics.

me too!!!


I love politcs, or at least how bent out of shape people get...
i read alot of threads and never post a word in them...

All parties have the same talking heads

 
hockeyfarker 2008-10-07 06:50:20 PM  
Yeah, I have also learned that necrophilia is frowned upon. Who woulda thought.

/don't think I didn't see that, frenchcheesemuseum

 
blueswoman 2008-10-07 06:50:38 PM  
Starryeyes: robsul82: Basically, the one notable thing to remember is that we discovered that we have permanent records on Fark.

i'm not really surprised at that, how else could multiple moderators keep track of repeat offenders?


i already knew this, deep inside and it's a big 'duh'. there are too many people to keep track of otherwise, even just in TFD. and moderators work in shifts, etc. it's just good customer service.

 
goeniegoegoe [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:50:50 PM  
I love the Politics headlines. There's some brilliant stuff there.

 
Adman12 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:51:04 PM  
Drew: It's not equal time, it's equal opportunity heckling. I hate politics.

Everyone does. Although some of us are really starting to love the big, bouncy sabotage of political threads during this dark period of partisan asshattery. Please don't put an end to that.

 
Fano [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:51:20 PM  
bulldg4life: Shadow Blasko: Problem is, its about freaking impossible.
Even with the best tech, you get situations where you end up handling it mostly on an IP level.

I dunno...from what I remember talking to pudintain and sweater girl...they were able to connect accounts better than one would expect.

Dread Pirate Slasher: WTF is a shadow ban?

Your posts are hidden from everybody but you. So, you go on merrily posting away without ever knowing that people can't see your posts. You probably just figure everybody is ignoring you.

You either figure it out and stop posting or you get bored when no one seems to be responding.


I've wondered a few times if I've received that. I've never gotten an email, but suddenly a thread will go completely dead to me that looks like it should have continued.

 
blueswoman 2008-10-07 06:51:54 PM  
professorkowalski: the five bucks a month should give us a chance on a monthly basis to see anything new fark has on you. Just so you know what they have written down about you.

why? don't you know what you're doing, both right and wrong?

 
Starryeyes [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:51:55 PM  
heap: Starryeyes: hot damn. is there a cliff's notes version of this thread?

bingo syphilis monkeyspunk.


you should stop flinging poo with the apes at the old folks' home.

 
Richard Pye 2008-10-07 06:52:17 PM  
blueswoman: don't you know what you're doing, both right and wrong?

Ever been drunk?

 
Tyee 2008-10-07 06:52:47 PM  
Drew, can you get rid of everyone who came here after 2004 and invite everyone who was here then back? We could go back to the way it used to be, when pictures that were a bit too close to the edge could stay.

//Good times

 
Roman Fyseek [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:52:57 PM  
leftyblonde: that biatch owes me money!

I'm not sure that I've ever seen you curse.

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:53:01 PM  
Ksup: You know that works the other way for nsfw crap right

/no you probably don't do you


Nobody forces you to click my links either.

I don't post NSFW crap in threads. i've learned my lesson.

All I'm saying is: this site is named DREW CURTIS' FARK.COM not mepigets fark.com or not Ksups fark.com.

 
blueswoman 2008-10-07 06:53:08 PM  
tfm_copycat: tl;dr: Fark is my house, you're all guests. Even if you bring me a present, you're still in MY house. The 5 guys at the door decide if they'll kick you or not, but they don't take harsh decisions. If they're wrong, they'll apologize and let you back in.

good jorb. except for the spelling error, which i thoughtfully have repaired for you. ;)

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:54:08 PM  
Ksup: You know that works the other way for nsfw crap right

and really if it bothers you that other people do, turn off HTML.

 
Deveyn [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:54:40 PM  
Way to go slick.

 
farc 2008-10-07 06:54:45 PM  
frenchcheesemuseum: All I'm saying is: this site is named DREW CURTIS' FARK.COM not mepigets fark.com or not Ksups fark.com.

how about farc's fark.com... doesn't that have a nice ring to it?

 
I_C_Weener [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:54:55 PM  
Starryeyes: hot damn. is there a cliff's notes version of this thread?

We love Fark. Fark loves money. Money loves Drew. Drew loves beer.


We love him, but he loves somebody else. We just can't win. Love Stinks!

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:55:23 PM  
Roman Fyseek: leftyblonde: that biatch owes me money!

I'm not sure that I've ever seen you curse.


oopsy.

 
I_C_Weener [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:55:55 PM  
robsul82: I'm shocked there's anything that organized on Fark.

"I belong to no organized website. I'm a member of Fark." Will Rogers.

/He would have said if he were alive.

 
professorkowalski [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:56:01 PM  
Richard Pye: blueswoman: don't you know what you're doing, both right and wrong?

Ever been drunk?


Not only this, but also, even though you may be following the rules, you are dealing with moderators who are people, who all will do things slightly differently.

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:56:21 PM  
Tyee: Drew, can you get rid of everyone who came here after 2004 and invite everyone who was here then back? We could go back to the way it used to be, when pictures that were a bit too close to the edge could stay.

//Good times


Again with the OLD fark is better than the new FARK. WTF? Guess what? It ain't gonna change. We're not leaving. Maybe you liked it better when there were only 1,000 members. Well good for you. 3.8 million sure pays a lot better.

 
Philly_gp 2008-10-07 06:56:32 PM  
Barakku: I'd like some better moderation of political trolling in non-political threads, it's gotten really bad and really lame lately, with the election comming up...


The lame political trolling is what I enjoy reading. Ive placed bets with friends on how a Sappy thread on a small animal can be turned into Bush hate.

/seriously, we put odds on them and within how many posts.

 
KentuckyBob 2008-10-07 06:56:55 PM  
I think our forefathers (those guys that singed a thing called the DOI) were considered trouble-makers, and look at the mess they got us into.

 
Wulfhardt 2008-10-07 06:57:01 PM  
It's interesting to see how some other aggregation sites started off so cool, but now they're little more than congregating points for some of the most idiotic minds in the world.

While Fark still has its share of dullards and snarks, it's nothing compared to those other sites. I've noticed this for a long time, and I always figured it had to be a difference in moderation. This just confirms it.

Boorish, chaotic behavior is almost always introduced by very young people (or those with very child-like minds). Removing them from the discussion seems like a natural move to make. Good on you, Drew & Co., for doing just that.

/not kissing ass

 
doyner [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:57:20 PM  
Drew: It's not equal time, it's equal opportunity heckling. I hate politics.

Fair enough. It's not like there's a shortage of fun threads anyway.

 
baked beans 2008-10-07 06:58:43 PM  
I_C_Weener: We just can't win

this......


Drew:

we need more silly threads.... more parody threads... and damn, why is it considered a parody thread to ask the same question of democrats that was asked of republicans?

And just exactly what is wrong with the parody thread anyway? It is funny when people don't catch the first one... and even more so because the absurdities get exaggerated.

 
rssvss [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:59:29 PM  
I wonder when this thread is archived Which user's comment will be last

 
blueswoman 2008-10-07 06:59:51 PM  
goeniegoegoe: And Lefty and Frencheesemuseum are here.

ahem.

Richard Pye: Ever been drunk?

yes. but way long ago when i discovered i didn't remember everything i did when i was drunk, i stopped getting drunk.

and why the hell isn't my farky working? no green arrows :-/

 
Starryeyes [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 06:59:55 PM  
I_C_Weener: Starryeyes: hot damn. is there a cliff's notes version of this thread?

We love Fark. Fark loves money. Money loves Drew. Drew loves beer.


We love him, but he loves somebody else. We just can't win. Love Stinks!


noted.
Arrid Works!

 
I_C_Weener [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:00:19 PM  
baked beans: I_C_Weener: We just can't win

this......


Drew:

we need more silly threads.... more parody threads... and damn, why is it considered a parody thread to ask the same question of democrats that was asked of republicans?

And just exactly what is wrong with the parody thread anyway? It is funny when people don't catch the first one... and even more so because the absurdities get exaggerated.


We need more beans. I can't think of a thread that wouldn't be improved by the presence of more legumes.

 
Deveyn [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:00:31 PM  
Roman Fyseek: Hey. Let us know how *that* turns out.

I guess it's true, you really can't fix stupid.

 
baked beans 2008-10-07 07:00:35 PM  
frenchcheesemuseum: Tyee: Drew, can you get rid of everyone who came here after 2004 and invite everyone who was here then back? We could go back to the way it used to be, when pictures that were a bit too close to the edge could stay.

//Good times

Again with the OLD fark is better than the new FARK. WTF? Guess what? It ain't gonna change. We're not leaving. Maybe you liked it better when there were only 1,000 members. Well good for you. 3.8 million sure pays a lot better.


I've been cruising in the archives from pre-election '04....... most of the threads only have 20-30 posts.......

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:00:40 PM  
rssvss: I wonder when this thread is archived Which user's comment will be last

shhhhhh....we can't do that here!

 
professorkowalski [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:01:25 PM  
leftyblonde: rssvss: I wonder when this thread is archived Which user's comment will be last

shhhhhh....we can't do that here!


Keep quiet.

 
I_C_Weener [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:01:37 PM  
Starryeyes: Arrid Works!

I use Secret. Strong enough for a man, but made for a woman is just a bad marketing idea. It works just fine for me. Besides no one can smell you sweat on the internet.

 
baked beans 2008-10-07 07:01:42 PM  
I_C_Weener: We need more beans

and weeners....

 
randomizetimer [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:01:47 PM  
leftyblonde: rssvss: I wonder when this thread is archived Which user's comment will be last

shhhhhh....we can't do that here!


maybe later when it is off the mainpage?

 
Adman12 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:02:04 PM  
blueswoman: ahem.

Where's your star?

 
I_C_Weener [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:02:24 PM  
leftyblonde: shhhhhh....we can't do that here!

I Like your Post.

 
Starryeyes [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:02:38 PM  
I_C_Weener: I use Secret. Strong enough for a man, but made for a woman is just a bad marketing idea. It works just fine for me. Besides no one can smell you sweat on the internet.

good thing, too... i've seen what some of those weird internet people look like - not sure there's a whole lot of showering going on there...

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:02:44 PM  
baked beans: I've been cruising in the archives from pre-election '04....... most of the threads only have 20-30 posts.......

EXACTLY

The old schoolers who despise the noobs nee do let it go. Things evolve.

 
Roman Fyseek [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:02:44 PM  
leftyblonde: we can't do that here!

Are you sure?

 
doyner [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:02:45 PM  
leftyblonde: rssvss: I wonder when this thread is archived Which user's comment will be last

shhhhhh....we can't do that here!


That's right. Only one of us can.

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:02:50 PM  
blueswoman: goeniegoegoe: And Lefty and Frencheesemuseum are here.

ahem.

Richard Pye: Ever been drunk?

yes. but way long ago when i discovered i didn't remember everything i did when i was drunk, i stopped getting drunk.

and why the hell isn't my farky working? no green arrows :-/


i59.photobucket.com


they aren't really green....

 
professorkowalski [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:03:05 PM  
I_C_Weener: Besides no one can smell you sweat on the internet.

Thats what you think.

 
blueswoman 2008-10-07 07:03:26 PM  
Dread Pirate Slasher: WTF is a shadow ban?

it is when you are not told that you are banned, but none of your posts can be read. if you're used to posting/chatting and getting responses, it takes a moment to figure out what happened, and makes you think your friends are ignoring you instead of not being able to see your posts.

i would like to hear drew address this particular issue. i very fervently would like to hear it. i haven't suffered this particular ignominy yet, but when he wrote the following, i just had to think "what ... you mean like shadowbanning?"

"Most espouse some kind of anti-censorship bent. In reality this isn't the case at all. Most methods of not-censoring posts involve making sure that while comments won't ever be deleted, no one ever sees them (via voting comments down or 'unpublishing' them). If no one can ever see a comment it might as well be deleted This is silly, just call it what it is."

 
Roman Fyseek [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:03:50 PM  
Oh, now you've done it. Drew's gonna have to pull his own thread.

 
redoctober65 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:03:52 PM  
Since it's a lot less busy here now, I can as Drew a serious question:

If he died alone, then who heard Charles Foster Kane say "Rosebud"?

 
Sir Vanderhoot 2008-10-07 07:04:26 PM  
Hey Drew, any chance you could put some demographics stats on the site somewhere? Maybe a graph of total# of users, TF users plotted across the years. Curiosity, I know, but I'd like to see if the site redesigns or loss of boobies had a dramatic effect on user numbers.

One more thing that's been on my mind, how many of the logins have been used in the past year? I'm just wondering how many active accounts there are.

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:04:26 PM  
veale728: What now woman

I taught you that so :P

 
I_C_Weener [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:05:09 PM  
blueswoman: it is when you are not told that you are banned, but none of your posts can be read. if you're used to posting/chatting and getting responses, it takes a moment to figure out what happened, and makes you think your friends are ignoring you instead of not being able to see your posts.

That has happened to me several times. Turns out...my friends were ignoring me.

 
rssvss [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:05:11 PM  
leftyblonde
professorkowalski
randomizetimer


Damn.. i didn't say NOW...

 
Richard Pye 2008-10-07 07:05:32 PM  
Has anyone done Hey Drew, with the lyrics to Hey Jude yet?

 
blueswoman 2008-10-07 07:05:38 PM  
tfm_copycat: Hmm.. Any grammar nazis from England, please?

lol i know. actually, i write 'humour' out of habit & a few others. that's why it caught my eye.

leftyblonde: they aren't really green....

woohooooo !! LEFTERS made me a psychedelic arrow!

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:05:42 PM  
can't you see the man is busy?

 
JOHNDX 2008-10-07 07:06:01 PM  
I'm just waiting to get UltraFarked, then and only then will my life be complete

 
Pious Agnostic 2008-10-07 07:06:18 PM  
Man, I feel stupid that I never knew there was a FarkBack link.

Seriously, the few times I felt the hammer (such that it is) I felt powerless and pissed. Now I know I could have at least plead my case.

 
goeniegoegoe [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:06:46 PM  
Richard Pye: Hey Drew, with the lyrics to Hey Jude yet?

Excellent idea. I now some rock stars who can do this.

 
Sir Vanderhoot 2008-10-07 07:07:04 PM  
blueswoman: Dread Pirate Slasher: WTF is a shadow ban?

it is when you are not told that you are banned, but none of your posts can be read. if you're used to posting/chatting and getting responses, it takes a moment to figure out what happened, and makes you think your friends are ignoring you instead of not being able to see your posts.

i would like to hear drew address this particular issue. i very fervently would like to hear it. i haven't suffered this particular ignominy yet, but when he wrote the following, i just had to think "what ... you mean like shadowbanning?"

"Most espouse some kind of anti-censorship bent. In reality this isn't the case at all. Most methods of not-censoring posts involve making sure that while comments won't ever be deleted, no one ever sees them (via voting comments down or 'unpublishing' them). If no one can ever see a comment it might as well be deleted This is silly, just call it what it is."


Well, imagine if Shadowbanning was the primary form of bannination, and it was crowd-control. You'd get a homogeneous, predictable, Digg-esque crowd pretty quickly. I think that the shadowban is a good idea because it's not the primary form of punishment.

 
PartTimeSaint 2008-10-07 07:07:41 PM  
SiON42X: Drew: It takes a lot to get knocked out permanently. That's our next discussion

Usually when owners or moderators of sites have to post 'discussions' there's a major change or bad news coming.

C'mon, tell us, we can take it. Unless you're being bought out by Fox, then we'll all implode.


Wipes Drew-Poop from nose

 
goeniegoegoe [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:08:08 PM  
JOHNDX: then and only then will my life be complete

I'd just like to pic 2 from you site, Imma trade you my Ultrafark account for it.

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:08:12 PM  
i59.photobucket.comi59.photobucket.com

 
Ksup 2008-10-07 07:09:34 PM  
can we ban leftyblonde for being off topic/attention whore?

 
I_C_Weener [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:09:42 PM  
Sir Vanderhoot: Hey Drew, any chance you could put some demographics stats on the site somewhere? Maybe a graph of total# of users, TF users plotted across the years. Curiosity, I know, but I'd like to see if the site redesigns or loss of boobies had a dramatic effect on user numbers.

One more thing that's been on my mind, how many of the logins have been used in the past year? I'm just wondering how many active accounts there are.


Moderator stats like # of people they've banned, number of those bans that were appealed ane reversed, number of lifetime bans issued, whether they like peanut butter and honey or PB&J, length of time moderating, number of complaints about that particular mod... Transparency like that might dispell some of the hate. Hell, make up the stats...we would never know.

 
goeniegoegoe [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:10:10 PM  
Ksup: can we ban leftyblonde for being off topic/attention whore?

Be very careful now. Leave Lefty alone.

 
professorkowalski [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:10:14 PM  
Ksup: can we ban leftyblonde for being off topic/attention whore?

because the rest of the thread has stayed on topic?

 
JohnBigBootay 2008-10-07 07:10:15 PM  
Drew: Boobies issues are coming up in the misconceptions section

Cool. I was hoping we'd get to that. Now, on to the content... I like big boobs as much as the next man, bit pic after pic of huge double D's gets old. I hope in the new boobie-laden fark that we will see some nicely shaped b's and c's now and again.

 
I_C_Weener [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:10:57 PM  
leftyblonde: can't you see the man is busy?

It is Happy Hour isn't it?

 
felixecho [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:11:14 PM  
I got a post deleted once. I was quoting a racist comment from tfa, and out of context it was awful.

I didn't cry to the moderator. I just picked up my ball and continued to play. I've been coming here since 6-2001 or so, and like it just fine.

Oh, and good job on keeping an eye out for surprise nsfw stuff. A lot of times my son likes to read over my shoulder. I let him, if the subject is benign. But the recent bouncing breast/milkshake picture was an unpleasant surprise.

Keep it up guys.

 
Gaboo 2008-10-07 07:11:57 PM  
Some have suggested that we create a darker section of Fark and just leave it alone altogether (with warnings when you were about to cross over). I personally have no problem with something like that existing - elsewhere.

Then why do any comments mentioning the actual existence of such a thing get deleted?

 
doyner [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:12:49 PM  
Ksup: can we ban leftyblonde for being off topic/attention whore?

You just made a whole lotta ignore lists.

 
metalliska 2008-10-07 07:13:08 PM  
can we re-rename the "Geek" tab back to "Tech" ?
Geek sounds lame...

 
sokeri 2008-10-07 07:13:29 PM  
if this thread had been submitted 2 years ago,I would have had a LOT to say on the topic. but now? meh.

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:13:59 PM  
professorkowalski: Ksup: can we ban leftyblonde for being off topic/attention whore?

because the rest of the thread has stayed on topic?


this.

 
Richard Pye 2008-10-07 07:14:50 PM  
leftyblonde: this.

It's a good thing I'm not a moderator, because I'd ban leftyblonde just for the hell of it and enjoy the fallout.

 
goeniegoegoe [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:16:34 PM  
Richard Pye: It's a good thing I'm not a moderator

You're allowed to talk to the big boys now Richard, don't get over excited. Meanie.

 
swarms909 2008-10-07 07:16:41 PM  
I was sooooo tempted to post a picture of a woman being farked by a donkey.

 
10.0.0.1 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:18:09 PM  
I think we should have more dUTCH mODERATORS

 
Richard Pye 2008-10-07 07:18:15 PM  
swarms909: I was sooooo tempted to post a picture of a woman being farked by a donkey.

What if it's ASCII? Is ASCII porn off the table?

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:18:29 PM  
Dumb-Ass-Monkey: DREW

Could you please address/clarify the following issues/questions?

1. Shadowbanning

2. Clarify specifically what constitutes "creating work for a mod" and does that include OTHER users complaining en masse against someone due to personal dislike, and if so, can users also vouch for a user to negate the complaints? And does a person reporting a thread also constitute "creating work"?

3. Who do we contact when months of sending a farkback is not responded to?

4. If someone doesn't "fit in" on the site, then why not tell them in a ban explanation?

5. How does someone know if it's a "last chance"? Why do some people get a warning they're about to be permabanned, but others do not?


I don't believe I'll be discussing #1, mainly because it's use is moving toward full time application toward spammers. We've been rethinking this for some time now. Since it's not set in stone we probably won't be covering it

#2 - reporting a thread is not creating work in most cases. If someone abuses it we remove the privilege. Complaining about an individual gets looked into, if it's a personal slam then it's ignored. Interestingly, people lobbying on behalf of someone to return IS considered creating work and reflects negatively on the person in question.

#3 - contact the same people as previously. Consider no response to be a response.

#4, and #5 - splitting hairs. If someone is that close to getting tossed for good anyhow, we're not too concerned if they should have had a 50th chance vs a 49th chance. Moderator discretion is in play there.

 
sokeri 2008-10-07 07:18:58 PM  
I'm busy now compiling all the emails I've received to farkbacks and pleas to Drew for posting later.

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:19:10 PM  
frenchcheesemuseum: Drew: No. However feel free to email me about it

I emailed you once and regretted it the moment I hit send.

You won't remember that, I hope, but I do and that is bad enough.

The mods answer all my questions, so I'll stick to fark back.


Haha no I don't remember it. Must've been a good one

 
JohnBigBootay 2008-10-07 07:19:35 PM  
I've been farking since early 2001 (why yes, I DID lurk for a long time!) but I've only been banned once: For mentioning a user who had not posted in the thread in a non-flattering way. Anyway, I'm sorry. It was a long time ago and I've gotten over it.

 
DarthBrooks [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:20:39 PM  
www.manupnancy.com

 
Roman Fyseek [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:21:38 PM  
Ksup: can we ban leftyblonde for being off topic/attention whore?

I know we're not supposed to talk about ignore but, let's just say that you were just promoted.

 
Ksup 2008-10-07 07:21:43 PM  
hope your boss likes squirrels
img.fark.com
/hot linked from fark
/leftyblonde in me defence. You did derail the thread(imo)
/you can have your thread back now

 
IamAwake 2008-10-07 07:21:47 PM  
"Also be aware that hypotheticals don't exist in a vacuum - individuals who claim to have been banned from Fark for no reason either rewrote history or omitted something."

While I understand you won't question your own integrity Drew, there is indeed another option.

"c) a moderator had a personal problem with an individual or something they posted, and banned them despite that individual not breaking any rules."

That being said, so what. It's your damn website, if you want to ban someone then do it. If the site were to be taken over by the government I happen to be under the thumb of, and laws specifically defined grounds for banning, THEN I (or whomever else) could fuss. Until then, your damn website.

 
10.0.0.1 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:22:28 PM  
JohnBigBootay: I've been farking since early 2001 (why yes, I DID lurk for a long time!) but I've only been banned once: For mentioning a user who had not posted in the thread in a non-flattering way. Anyway, I'm sorry. It was a long time ago and I've gotten over it.

How do you pronounce your login?

 
goeniegoegoe [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:23:03 PM  
10.0.0.1: I think we should have more dUTCH mODERATORS

Listen to this man.

/I wouldn't want to be a mod, I'd be banhammering and outing people all the time.

 
veale728 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:23:12 PM  
frenchcheesemuseum: veale728: What now woman

I taught you that so :P


:-/

 
blueswoman 2008-10-07 07:24:07 PM  
I_C_Weener: That has happened to me several times. Turns out...my friends were ignoring me.

well, that has *never* happened to me

/that i'll admit in public ...

Roman Fyseek: gonna have to pull his own thread.

is that what you kids are calling it these days?

 
veale728 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:24:12 PM  
goeniegoegoe: /I wouldn't want to be a mod, I'd be banhammering and outing people all the time.

Until a bigger, more powerful mod came along, then you'd wave a white flag?

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:24:31 PM  
Dumb-Ass-Monkey: Drew: We tell our moderators that if they can't tell if something crossed the line or not, it did.

That seems waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too subjective. One person's 'funny' can easily be another person's 'offensive'.


That's why there's a Farkback, they don't get it right all the time.

I'll address some of this next update

And that's a MAJOR part of the problem - If you don't actually have guidelines for what's bannable, how are WE supposed to know what's bannable? That is a great example of how you can have people banned and not knowing why.

There's an FAQ

 
goeniegoegoe [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:25:11 PM  
Drew: an FAQ

A FAQ

/pet peeve

 
MrJesus 2008-10-07 07:25:24 PM  
Drew

I would really like to see a movement away from the shadow ban.

I was one of its first recipients. I rarely ever post and wound up going for almost a year and a half (IIRC - this was in 03/04?) before finding out that nothing I posted was ever actually there. There were no warnings, no e-mails, nothing. Perhaps it can be chalked up to being a part of the 'initial run' -- but it's seriously unfair, particularly to the lurking types.

Not only that, due to the time lapse you guys didn't even remember why it was used on my account.

It's a pretty dangerous tool.

 
JohnBigBootay 2008-10-07 07:26:04 PM  
10.0.0.1: How do you pronounce your login?

It's Big-boo-tay! Tay dammit!

 
LiveStalk 2008-10-07 07:26:10 PM  
goeniegoegoe: Drew: an FAQ

A FAQ

/pet peeve


Think of it as F A Q, can go either way.

 
MIguy 2008-10-07 07:26:24 PM  
The problem with the moderation here is that there's no consistancy. I'm not even talking about consistency between different mods, I'm talking about a comment being removed in one thread and then something more offensive being let go in the next thread. Mods are making decisions based on what they find offensive instead of being impartial.

 
make me some tea [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:26:25 PM  
Drew: I don't believe I'll be discussing #1, mainly because it's use is moving toward full time application toward spammers. We've been rethinking this for some time now. Since it's not set in stone we probably won't be covering it

#4, and #5 - splitting hairs. If someone is that close to getting tossed for good anyhow, we're not too concerned if they should have had a 50th chance vs a 49th chance. Moderator discretion is in play there.


This is what gets me, the two issues that seem to be most on people's minds are brushed off summarily.

 
Dumb-Ass-Monkey [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:27:35 PM  
Drew: And that's a MAJOR part of the problem - If you don't actually have guidelines for what's bannable, how are WE supposed to know what's bannable? That is a great example of how you can have people banned and not knowing why.

There's an FAQ


I've seen far far far far FAR too many instances of "favored TFers", including but not limited to those form that town where the Cubs play, blatantly violating the FArQ and getting away with it.

And don't get me started on the "dammit" guy...

 
blueswoman 2008-10-07 07:28:30 PM  
Sir Vanderhoot: I think that the shadowban is a good idea because it's not the primary form of punishment.

i disagree, but i respect your opinion, yadda yadda

i do believe drew said it best, and thaqt's why i quoted him: if you're going to delete comments, then just delete them. anything else is silly. if you're going to ban people, then just ban them. playing games like that with somebody's head is .... well, it's his house, but it seems a bit less than above-board.

 
Roman Fyseek [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:28:44 PM  
10.0.0.1: How do you pronounce your login?

I was *amazed* at the fark party in DC that there were people that pronounce my login 'f-eye-zeek'

it's 'fizzeek' like 'physique' It's a damned joke and, I'd appreciate it if you people started getting the damned joke.

 
goeniegoegoe [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:29:09 PM  
blueswoman: thaqt's

Please type with 2 hands.

 
GregoryD 2008-10-07 07:29:16 PM  
Drew: This is true. However I came up with it there too

Thanks for the clarification. I didn't mean to accuse you :)


melopene: Is 3k even still open? I had the odd urge to go play a MUD again a few days ago, but all my old haunts are long gone. Never really cared for 3k back in the early days of Fark, but hey, ya never know.

3k is still around. 3k.org I don't know if any modern game will match the depth of a 3k...

I mainly play WoW and blather on about old mud stories about "back in my day...". We didn't have maps, we used graph paper and liked it! We'd die and LOOSE A LEVEL. etc

/The Dark Cletus
//Cletus in the Mist
///Gone with the Cletus
////rofl

 
Richard Pye 2008-10-07 07:29:38 PM  
goeniegoegoe: Please type with 2 hands.

Drew, put that in the Site Rules.

 
Roman Fyseek [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:30:15 PM  
LiveStalk: Think of it as F A Q, can go either way.

Did you just call the Dutch fags?

/reported

 
professorkowalski [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:30:32 PM  
MIguy: The problem with the moderation here is that there's no consistancy. I'm not even talking about consistency between different mods, I'm talking about a comment being removed in one thread and then something more offensive being let go in the next thread. Mods are making decisions based on what they find offensive instead of being impartial.

I think thats the problem. What do the rules for mods look like? It seems like the rules that are being used to control was is offensive and what is not offensive are not being watched and followed.

 
MIguy 2008-10-07 07:30:33 PM  
Another thing. We should have the ability to down vote pictures. There have been many times when pictures have been posted that obviously violate the TOS and haven't been removed for an hour or more because nobody was around to get rid of it.

 
Atypical Person Reading Fark [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:30:44 PM  
I don't know about the mods, but it seems to me one's eyes would glaze over if one had to find every single instance of bad behavior on this site.

Also, it's obvious that some people like ratting other people out.

Aren't the Cubs from Chicago?

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:31:11 PM  
robsul82: Drew: robsul82: I swear the "Total" in the new TotalFark heading is getting blacker over time...

That's racist

Not even the Asian "That's wacist!" kid would find that raci...er, wacist.


I know, I kid

 
nicoffeine 2008-10-07 07:31:40 PM  
make me some tea: Drew: I don't believe I'll be discussing #1, mainly because it's use is moving toward full time application toward spammers. We've been rethinking this for some time now. Since it's not set in stone we probably won't be covering it

#4, and #5 - splitting hairs. If someone is that close to getting tossed for good anyhow, we're not too concerned if they should have had a 50th chance vs a 49th chance. Moderator discretion is in play there.

This is what gets me, the two issues that seem to be most on people'smy minds are brushed off summarily.


Fbxrd

 
Farkin'round 2008-10-07 07:31:45 PM  
If people are going to be put on warning, Drew, please include those morans who continually end headlines with the word Penis. There was also a headline last week in regards to Steve Fossett, which ended up being a thread for bad Anne Frank and Helen Keller jokes. It has to be one of the most stupid and juvenile threads ever in the 3 years that I've been reading and posting to FARK. Other that those two things, FARK is still cool.

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:32:08 PM  
goeniegoegoe: Who's your favorite TF-er Drew?

Who's your least favorite TF-er?


I honestly don't remember most folks. No one should take that as an insult, I just don't participate much

 
blueswoman 2008-10-07 07:32:18 PM  
goeniegoegoe: Please type with 2 hands.

the other one's busy.

 
hubiestubert [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:32:29 PM  
Drew: Dumb-Ass-Monkey: DREW

Could you please address/clarify the following issues/questions?

1. Shadowbanning

2. Clarify specifically what constitutes "creating work for a mod" and does that include OTHER users complaining en masse against someone due to personal dislike, and if so, can users also vouch for a user to negate the complaints? And does a person reporting a thread also constitute "creating work"?

3. Who do we contact when months of sending a farkback is not responded to?

4. If someone doesn't "fit in" on the site, then why not tell them in a ban explanation?

5. How does someone know if it's a "last chance"? Why do some people get a warning they're about to be permabanned, but others do not?

I don't believe I'll be discussing #1, mainly because it's use is moving toward full time application toward spammers. We've been rethinking this for some time now. Since it's not set in stone we probably won't be covering it

#2 - reporting a thread is not creating work in most cases. If someone abuses it we remove the privilege. Complaining about an individual gets looked into, if it's a personal slam then it's ignored. Interestingly, people lobbying on behalf of someone to return IS considered creating work and reflects negatively on the person in question.

#3 - contact the same people as previously. Consider no response to be a response.

#4, and #5 - splitting hairs. If someone is that close to getting tossed for good anyhow, we're not too concerned if they should have had a 50th chance vs a 49th chance. Moderator discretion is in play there.


That is bullcrap. No response creates more problems, and is a cop out. Your Mods make decisions, then they should at least be able to defend them.

Consistency. Transparency. Response.

No response allows a lot of bad decisions to be passed off, and it breeds a lot of problems. They don't want to do the work, then maybe they shouldn't have signed up to do the job.

I like the site, and I like most of the people here, but that is weak. At least have the decency to respond to people.

 
Starryeyes [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:33:15 PM  
Drew: robsul82: Drew: robsul82: I swear the "Total" in the new TotalFark heading is getting blacker over time...

That's racist

Not even the Asian "That's wacist!" kid would find that raci...er, wacist.

I know, I kid


I'm sorry, we can't be having jokes around here - you're going to have to take the humor elsewhere, sir.

 
Richard Pye 2008-10-07 07:33:31 PM  
hubiestubert: Consistency. Transparency. Response.

Internet. Serious. Business.

 
sokeri 2008-10-07 07:33:32 PM  
Atypical Person Reading Fark: glaze

that is so 2006.

 
goeniegoegoe [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:33:44 PM  
Drew: I just don't participate much

Understood, it's a shame though, this thread is fun. All work and no play makes Goenie sad.

 
LiveStalk 2008-10-07 07:33:47 PM  
Roman Fyseek: LiveStalk: Think of it as F A Q, can go either way.

Did you just call the Dutch fags?

/reported


I don't know, did I?

/Been at work to long to be aware...

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:34:04 PM  
ultraholland: Hey Drew,

I take issue with the complete lack of consistency when moderating pictures. I've seen more or less offensive images (not offensive to me though, I don't give two shiats) posted and remain in threads, yet me and many others have been slapped around for posting images that are about as offensive as plain yogurt. I've even received timeouts for posting SFW images from a greenlit article (RE: Stripper Grannies).

I read when you addressed this issue months ago. I know there's no clear line. I know this isn't a site for smut. I've read and reread the FArQ, but I feel that if the images I'm talking about are not to be viewed in an office, well maybe the employee shouldn't be Farking at work.

I say this because that seems to be my biggest offense. The Mods have rightfully punished me a few times, but I must stress few. I'm sure this line of thought applies to many others here.

Thanks for reading if you do get around to it.


We're looking at splitting out PS and farktography mods into separate groups. Some of the problems seem to stem from the fact that some moderators understand the minutae of the contests and others don't. We'll take that out of the equation and see how it goes

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:34:14 PM  
I_C_Weener: That has happened to me several times. Turns out...my friends were ignoring me.

We do that sometimes. Sorry.

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:34:44 PM  
bartink: It would be nice if we could reverse the comments in chunked big ass threads. Heh.

There's some kind of a coding issue that prevents it. I forget exactly what

 
melopene [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:35:45 PM  
GregoryD: Drew: This is true. However I came up with it there too

Thanks for the clarification. I didn't mean to accuse you :)


melopene: Is 3k even still open? I had the odd urge to go play a MUD again a few days ago, but all my old haunts are long gone. Never really cared for 3k back in the early days of Fark, but hey, ya never know.

3k is still around. 3k.org I don't know if any modern game will match the depth of a 3k...

I mainly play WoW and blather on about old mud stories about "back in my day...". We didn't have maps, we used graph paper and liked it! We'd die and LOOSE A LEVEL. etc

/The Dark Cletus
//Cletus in the Mist
///Gone with the Cletus
////rofl


Cool, I might check it out sometime in the next few days. I still hate graphicals... much more of an RP-type than HnS'er. I miss the good old days sometimes.

/used Arcanum for mapping instead of graph paper

 
Roman Fyseek [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:35:46 PM  
MIguy: Mods are making decisions based on what they find offensive instead of being impartial.

That seems exactly appropriate to me. I would rather have my individual one-off post deleted and have somebody else's one-off survive than wear the banhammer and never know about the somebody else.

There have been many times when pictures have been posted that obviously violate the TOS and haven't been removed for an hour or more because nobody was around to get rid of it.

I've farkbacked a couple of times about this and have had excellent results. The way I deal with it and my kids is, if a thread has a photo that I feel that I don't want the kids to see, I press the 'end' button on my keyboard, report the thread in farkback, and avoid the thread for 10 minutes (or until my kids leave the room).

I *do* feel like I'm missing something when I avoid the thread for 10 minutes but, I also consider that I've had to p00p in the middle of a thread and I never felt guilty about the 10 minutes that it took.

/told you we'd get a poop thread

 
LiveStalk 2008-10-07 07:36:00 PM  
Drew,

Do you like toast too?

/Obscure?

 
10.0.0.1 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:36:19 PM  
Roman Fyseek: it's 'fizzeek' like 'physique' It's a damned joke and, I'd appreciate it if you people started getting the damned joke.

I thought it was fie seek

 
MIguy 2008-10-07 07:36:24 PM  
Why is attractive and successful African-American censored but honkey, cracker, kike, fence jumper, spic, wop and retard OK?

 
RadioAaron 2008-10-07 07:36:59 PM  
Richard Pye: Internet. Serious. Business.

Exactly.

As long as we don't look like YouTube, Drew, and as long as the high-intellect aura remains around this place I'll continue to give you money so I can be cool on teh internets.

Seriously, I'm just here for the fun and frivolity.

 
10.0.0.1 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:37:05 PM  
MIguy: cracker

It's "Saltine-American" to you, bud.

 
H_is_for_Heretic 2008-10-07 07:37:15 PM  
frenchcheesemuseum: I_C_Weener: That has happened to me several times. Turns out...my friends were ignoring me.

We do that sometimes. Sorry.


Your photobucket...watersports much?

/saved 'em all

 
runslothrun 2008-10-07 07:37:22 PM  
this is my third account over the past seven years. i "retired" the the first two after moves and what not.

my first two had fairly regular greenlights and no mod problems.

this one?

posts constantly deleted...entire threads where every post i've made has been erased. obviously, i don't bother trying to submit...why would i?

i still lurk on fark but it's not nearly as fun as it used to be.

 
goeniegoegoe [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:37:56 PM  
MIguy: honkey, cracker, kike, fence jumper, spic, wop and retard OK?

We just don't like Michigan very much.

 
stiletto_the_wise 2008-10-07 07:38:14 PM  
I demand that Part II of this thread be posted immediately. Or within the next hour. Or at least this week.

 
professorkowalski [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:38:37 PM  
10.0.0.1: MIguy: cracker

It's "Saltine-American" to you, bud.


Just call them all Ritz from now on.

 
hubiestubert [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:38:41 PM  
Richard Pye: hubiestubert: Consistency. Transparency. Response.

Internet. Serious. Business.


He wanted to get us into the discussion. This is what we need for good Moderation.

I think that Mods are a good idea, but the current model is inconsistent. It is unresponsive, and it lacks any transparency, which lends itself to interpretation as being biased.

It IS biased. We all know that some TFers can post a damn lot that violates the FarQ and sail past it. Even if it IS reported. There are times when outing the Moderator is fully in order, because it is NOT applied in a fair fashion.

That we can agree that Moderation is a good idea, why not eliminate the perception of bias, and make sure that we get clear responses? We pay for it, after all.

 
pass_the_bacon 2008-10-07 07:39:09 PM  
Eh, fark your moderation, I'm happier elsewhere. bN.com

 
GregoryD 2008-10-07 07:39:31 PM  
hubiestubert: That is bullcrap. No response creates more problems, and is a cop out. Your Mods make decisions, then they should at least be able to defend them.

Consistency. Transparency. Response.


I agree with Drew, if he defines a line, people are gonna find ways to walk it. Then yell and scream when something happens.

If there is no line and people don't know if the line has been crossed they can't attempt to play the system.

It like that game when you were a kid, "I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU" while holding out your finger. Rather then dealing with the BS, they just turn off your sound while you say "I'm not touching you!" to an /ignore wall.

 
MissFeasance [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:39:36 PM  
Farkin'round: If people are going to be put on warning, Drew, please include those morans who continually end headlines with the word Penis. There was also a headline last week in regards to Steve Fossett, which ended up being a thread for bad Anne Frank and Helen Keller jokes. It has to be one of the most stupid and juvenile threads ever in the 3 years that I've been reading and posting to FARK. Other that those two things, FARK is still cool.

Everyone else seemed to think it was pretty funny.

 
Roman Fyseek [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:39:53 PM  
Atypical Person Reading Fark: Also, it's obvious that some people like ratting other people out.

Aren't the Cubs from Chicago?


Didn't you blog about getting a time-out for asking about which fingers to use your trackball?

/runs away

LiveStalk: I don't know, did I?

Calm down.

 
Adman12 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:40:15 PM  
For me, the problem with moderation is that it's intended to be subjective. There's a list of rules as long as my arm, but not everything you can get yanked for is on there, and there's plenty on there that doesn't get enforced.

I think Drew would be better off with fewer FARQ rules and more admission of subjectivity and reaction to personal slights. After all, Drew is no lawyer, and as soon as he starts to define the rules in detail, he has a million amateur lawyers (and several real ones) picking apart the internal logic and consistency of those rules. But they're looking for something that isn't there, since moderation is done as much on feel as on regulation.

Do what you need to, Drew. Just don't get yourself bogged down in too many pseudo-debates about why you do it. Your openness to appeal has always been appreciated, and Fark will continue to be what it is, which is whatever you want it to be. Good or bad.

 
LOGICAL_PSYCHO 2008-10-07 07:40:20 PM  
Please ban the attention whores.

If I see a certain poster(yes she is in this thread) post one more time about her looks I swear I will blow my brains out.

Example of typical post from her:
"Yeah I agree landfills are bad for nature but I model part-time(yeah I got pics in profile)Hugs and kisses XXXOOOOXXX!!!

 
Richard Pye 2008-10-07 07:41:56 PM  
hubiestubert: It IS biased. We all know that some TFers can post a damn lot that violates the FarQ and sail past it. Even if it IS reported. There are times when outing the Moderator is fully in order, because it is NOT applied in a fair fashion.

I've found that in all aspects of life there seems to be only one rule, split into two parts -

If we like you, you can do whatever you like.
If we don't like you, you're gone.

 
LiveStalk 2008-10-07 07:42:01 PM  
Roman Fyseek: Atypical Person Reading Fark: Also, it's obvious that some people like ratting other people out.

Aren't the Cubs from Chicago?

Didn't you blog about getting a time-out for asking about which fingers to use your trackball?

/runs away

LiveStalk: I don't know, did I?

Calm down.


I am calm, you calm down

 
MIguy 2008-10-07 07:42:16 PM  
Anybody remember the thread when that helicopter crashed carrying the NASCAR people? Comments were being deleted left and right because people were cracking jokes about it. Meanwhile, hundreds of other death threads come and go with nothing being said about disrespectful comments.

 
Adman12 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:42:57 PM  
MIguy: Anybody remember the thread when that helicopter crashed carrying the NASCAR people? Comments were being deleted left and right because people were cracking jokes about it. Meanwhile, hundreds of other death threads come and go with nothing being said about disrespectful comments.

Dude. NASCAR.

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:43:26 PM  
baked beans: I would like to address the alt issue.....

The last I knew, Drew does have an alt and several people know the name..... he posted it several years ago.


For the record, I don't have an alt. I dislike drama, and net drama makes even less sense to me.

 
veale728 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:44:39 PM  
Drew, is it still possible to sponsor shadowbanned Farkers, or was this fixed? I got a refund when I tried this a few weeks back, and the modmin responding to my Farkback said it would be fixed soon.

 
Roman Fyseek [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:44:47 PM  
Oh, Drew: I have a real live complaint.

On the 'sponsor a farker' page with all the subscriptions? Yeah... The non-recurring should really be at the top. I've twice accidentally (you can check) sponsored somebody for recurring and then had to click things to undo it in paypal or something. I got a notice that the account was canceled. Sure, I read the farq and knew that the notice was just telling me that the recurring portion of it was canceled but, I suspect the farkers that I sponsored got a confusing message.

Yeah, I could have read it. I just wanna click on things.


</rant>

 
professorkowalski [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:45:01 PM  
Adman12: MIguy: Anybody remember the thread when that helicopter crashed carrying the NASCAR people? Comments were being deleted left and right because people were cracking jokes about it. Meanwhile, hundreds of other death threads come and go with nothing being said about disrespectful comments.

Dude. NASCAR.


Your NASCAR comment proves the point. If some mod took offense to all the comments in that thread, then they should take offense to people cracking on dead people in other threads. One set of rules.

 
goeniegoegoe [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:45:05 PM  
Drew: For the record, I don't have an alt

Dammitz, I was kinda hoping you were Rotsky.

 
RancidOne 2008-10-07 07:45:15 PM  
Barakku: I'd like some better moderation of political trolling in non-political threads, it's gotten really bad and really lame lately, with the election comming up...

That happens every four years. I hate it now as much as I always have, but realize it's just part of things around here. Wait 2-3 weeks/months after 11/4 and that crap pretty much goes away.

The Mods probably don't have enough hours in a day to do it anyhow, they'd be playing Whack-a-Mole 24/7.

I hope this contributes to the discussion. TY.

 
sokeri 2008-10-07 07:45:18 PM  
LOGICAL_PSYCHO: Please ban the attention whores.

If I see a certain poster(yes she is in this thread) post one more time about her looks I swear I will blow my brains out.

Example of typical post from her:
"Yeah I agree landfills are bad for nature but I model part-time(yeah I got pics in profile)Hugs and kisses XXXOOOOXXX!!!


but I have boobies!

/wishlist in profile

 
tin_man [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:45:56 PM  
Drew: For the record, I don't have an alt. I dislike drama, and net drama makes even less sense to me.

That must make it really hard to relate to a lot of the posts in this thread. You have my condolences.

 
Richard Pye 2008-10-07 07:46:03 PM  
goeniegoegoe: Dammitz, I was kinda hoping you were Rotsky.

Drew is definitely Bevets.

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:46:10 PM  
LOGICAL_PSYCHO: Please ban the attention whores.

*shakes boobies at L_P*

C'mon the attention whores are welcomed too. They get the smackdown on a regular basis from the Tfers, yet they continue to AW.

It's no worse than the constant barrage of goody-goodies who are more than easily offended, insensitive douchebags who snark up suicide threads, blatant thread jackers jacking just for the sake of jacking, holier than thous that espouse nothing but morality, etc...

 
hubiestubert [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:46:58 PM  
GregoryD: hubiestubert: That is bullcrap. No response creates more problems, and is a cop out. Your Mods make decisions, then they should at least be able to defend them.

Consistency. Transparency. Response.

I agree with Drew, if he defines a line, people are gonna find ways to walk it. Then yell and scream when something happens.

If there is no line and people don't know if the line has been crossed they can't attempt to play the system.

It like that game when you were a kid, "I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU" while holding out your finger. Rather then dealing with the BS, they just turn off your sound while you say "I'm not touching you!" to an /ignore wall.


In that, we are going to have to agree to disagree, because I think that argument is a cop out. We already have folks who skate the line, and those who maybe cross it ONCE who get either shadowbanned, and forgotten about, or booted with no explanation.

Again, I call only for consistency, transparency, and actual responses. Especially the last part. THAT burns me, because if you're going to make a decision, you should at least own it.

The secrecy of who is Moderating is something that bugs me, because it is often very subjective. Put it out there. What crossed the line. When. Where. How. Who tagged you. Make the process more transparent, and you will have less troubles, and less perception of bias. Which is what we have right now. Some folks can get away with murder, and some folks get booted.

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:46:58 PM  
goeniegoegoe: Drew: For the record, I don't have an alt

Dammitz, I was kinda hoping you were Rotsky.


I thought it was my turn to be him this week.

 
veale728 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:47:04 PM  
sokeri: but I have boobies!

Then of course you are forgiven ;)

 
Richard Pye 2008-10-07 07:47:09 PM  
frenchcheesemuseum: It's no worse than the constant barrage of goody-goodies who are more than easily offended, insensitive douchebags who snark up suicide threads, blatant thread jackers jacking just for the sake of jacking, holier than thous that espouse nothing but morality, etc...

It is worse because Attention Whores give me blue balls.

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:47:12 PM  
I_C_Weener:
I find that there are timeouts imposed for silly stuff, and I wonder if the ban is for the amount of reporting rather than the quantum of the offense.

The amount of reporting doesn't have much to do with it, other than it's sometime an indicator that something bad's going. Everything gets looked at, if it's bogus it's bogus

 
GregoryD 2008-10-07 07:47:17 PM  
Adman12: I think Drew would be better off with fewer FARQ rules and more admission of subjectivity and reaction to personal slights. After all, Drew is no lawyer, and as soon as he starts to define the rules in detail, he has a million amateur lawyers (and several real ones) picking apart the internal logic and consistency of those rules.

This.

THIS. Dammit.

This sums up what I was tryin' to say much more eloquently.

 
JDAT 2008-10-07 07:47:26 PM  
MissFeasance: Farkin'round: If people are going to be put on warning, Drew, please include those morans who continually end headlines with the word Penis. There was also a headline last week in regards to Steve Fossett, which ended up being a thread for bad Anne Frank and Helen Keller jokes. It has to be one of the most stupid and juvenile threads ever in the 3 years that I've been reading and posting to FARK. Other that those two things, FARK is still cool.

Everyone else seemed to think it was pretty funny.


I missed an Anne Frank Helen Keller Joke thread!

/bangs head on keyboard.

 
goeniegoegoe [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:47:43 PM  
tin_man: That must make it really hard to relate to a lot of the posts in this thread

Go away, we're having an intelligent discussion here.

 
el_dudarino [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:47:47 PM  
Sir Vanderhoot: Well, imagine if Shadowbanning was the primary form of bannination, and it was crowd-control. You'd get a homogeneous, predictable, Digg-esque crowd pretty quickly. I think that the shadowban is a good idea because it's not the primary form of punishment.

Not at all is it a good idea. Especially when you are paying for a service that no one has told you you cannot use

 
Atypical Person Reading Fark [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:48:46 PM  
Roman Fyseek: Atypical Person Reading Fark: Also, it's obvious that some people like ratting other people out.

Aren't the Cubs from Chicago?

Didn't you blog about getting a time-out for asking about which fingers to use your trackball?

/runs away

LiveStalk: I don't know, did I?

Calm down.


Great memory - yes, that was me.

And I still don't know how to use it. Just tried it, mouse goes all over the place all crazy. Wait, no, it's getting better - I guess maybe I should just practice more.

But now the "c" key is broken on that brand new laptop so I use a different keyboard. Life sucks.

I've always liked Fark because it's a place where a person can post suicide threats or make jokes about rape and, apparently, not get banned. At least not too banned. Plus there's a lot of free medical advice, which always improves public health, doncha know.

 
goeniegoegoe [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:48:54 PM  
hubiestubert: consistency, transparency, and actual responses

Geez dude, it's a site for not news. What are you really being so worked up about?

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:48:59 PM  
tfm_copycat: So Drew, you say that you keep track of everyone's offenses. Does the fark moderating software lets you flag people, so all moderators can identify the troublemakers?
I posted (while drunk) a link containing explicit necrophilia and got promptly banned. Does that come up in you system as well?"


It does but there's also a note saying it was an accident so there you go

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:49:06 PM  
Richard Pye: It is worse because Attention Whores give me blue balls.

Ahhh, well then start clicking on my links. You will be cured immediately.

 
veale728 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:50:28 PM  
MissFeasance: Farkin'round: If people are going to be put on warning, Drew, please include those morans who continually end headlines with the word Penis. There was also a headline last week in regards to Steve Fossett, which ended up being a thread for bad Anne Frank and Helen Keller jokes. It has to be one of the most stupid and juvenile threads ever in the 3 years that I've been reading and posting to FARK. Other that those two things, FARK is still cool.

Everyone else seemed to think it was pretty funny.


Some people just seem to forget the best part about the Internets... it something offends you online, you can either click the Back button or click the 'X' in the top right corner. But some people just choose to be offended. Rather a problem with the world in general today.

/not offended by that

 
redoctober65 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:50:29 PM  
sokeri: but I have boobies!

/wishlist in profile


Oh that ship has sailed... that ship has sailed

*wipes tears from face*

 
tin_man [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:50:40 PM  
goeniegoegoe: Go away, we're having an intelligent discussion here.

Yet, you continue to post.

 
Highroller48 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:51:16 PM  
I've always found the environment here to be enjoyable. If it wasn't, then I'd stop visiting. That's the same recourse open to ANYONE who doesn't approve of the way Fark operates.

There's far too much narcissism on the web these days. Just look at Facebook or Myspace for the proof. The difference with Fark is that exposing, mocking and even sharing that self-absorption is part of the interplay between people.

That suits me just fine. I enjoy the place, and sometimes I even learn a thing or two.

I'm no one special to be critiquing the work done here. My opinion doesn't (and shouldn't) matter more than any other of the million users. The same goes for everyone. Ours is but to take it in, or tune it out.

So instead I'll just say, very simply, Thanks.

 
Roman Fyseek [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:51:21 PM  
el_dudarino: Not at all is it a good idea. Especially when you are paying for a service that no one has told you you cannot use

Maybe one should get a permanent red banner of the post-submission box 'You can post but, nobody will see it for two weeks.'

Or

"How will you speak with no MOUTH?!" above the absence of a post-submission box?

 
LiveStalk 2008-10-07 07:51:23 PM  
Well, it's been fun, thanks Roman, you sir, are a king among men.

g'night

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:51:31 PM  
Drew: It does but there's also a note saying it was an accident so there you go

See if you had a few extra hours, I would ask you to look up my record, but alas, nobody wants to waste that kind of time.

Atypical Person Reading Fark: I've always liked Fark because it's a place where a person can post suicide threats or make jokes about rape and, apparently, not get banned. At least not too banned. Plus there's a lot of free medical advice, which always improves public health, doncha know.

If you take Fark medical advice, you deserve to die of herpmydia.

 
hubiestubert [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:51:52 PM  
goeniegoegoe: hubiestubert: consistency, transparency, and actual responses

Geez dude, it's a site for not news. What are you really being so worked up about?


I am, if nothing else, a freak about fairness. And even if I don't like someone, and there are a few folks that fall into that category up in here at times, I still want to see folks treated fairly. Even if I don't like them. Because that's how I want to be treated.

Old fashioned, I guess.

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:51:58 PM  
Tyee: Drew, can you get rid of everyone who came here after 2004 and invite everyone who was here then back? We could go back to the way it used to be, when pictures that were a bit too close to the edge could stay.

//Good times


Metafilter tried it, it failed. So it goes

 
antrat00 2008-10-07 07:52:44 PM  
I have a dry itch. Can you tell me what cream I should use?

 
Mayostard [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:52:47 PM  
frenchcheesemuseum: C'mon the attention whores are welcomed too.

Show your tits!

 
andrewabc 2008-10-07 07:52:47 PM  
Bob Balaban: So here's what I don't get: Why did Peter need to get Sylar's power to save the future?

I had the same question. Was it mentioned in the episode?

 
Roman Fyseek [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:53:31 PM  
Drew: Mebbe you could make the 'anonymous sponsorship' a little more obvious, too.

 
Richard Pye 2008-10-07 07:53:42 PM  
hubiestubert: I am, if nothing else, a freak about fairness.

So basically you are a Communist. We all know how Communism works out.

 
professorkowalski [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:54:43 PM  
Richard Pye: hubiestubert: I am, if nothing else, a freak about fairness.

So basically you are a Communist. We all know how Communism works out.


It works on paper.

 
veale728 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:54:59 PM  
frenchcheesemuseum: If you take Fark medical advice, you deserve to die of herpmydia.

TotalFark medical advice, on the other hand, can be golden. But it's like sifting through a giant pile of shiat just to find that one tiny gold nugget

 
goeniegoegoe [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:55:10 PM  
I think Richard Pye should become a TF-er.

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:55:10 PM  
veale728: Some people just seem to forget the best part about the Internets... it something offends you online, you can either click the Back button or click the 'X' in the top right corner. But some people just choose to be offended. Rather a problem with the world in general today.

SO MUCH OF THIS. I am impossible to offend. It's the damn internet for chrissakes.

Don't go dipping in the fiery pools of hell if you don't wanna get burned. Seriously.

 
hubiestubert [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:55:23 PM  
Richard Pye: hubiestubert: I am, if nothing else, a freak about fairness.

So basically you are a Communist. We all know how Communism works out.


Ha! No, I'm a Republican. Just not a very happy one with the current crop of candidates...

:)

 
The NaSkAr [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:55:35 PM  
Can I be a mod?

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:56:02 PM  
Mayostard: Show your tits!

Again... I just did that last week.


Freaking Marylanders.

 
bartink 2008-10-07 07:56:10 PM  
professorkowalski: It works on paper.

So its origami?

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:56:57 PM  
goeniegoegoe: I think Richard Pye should become a TF-er.

I would sponsor him if he wasn't such a meanie.

 
el_dudarino [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:57:25 PM  
veale728: and the modmin responding to my Farkback said it would be fixed soon.

I think that your answer lies in this post somewhere

 
Eeek [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:57:43 PM  
antrat00, for a dry itch you want clotrimazole. It also works on jock itch. And athlete's foot. Not that a farker will get those.

 
Richard Pye 2008-10-07 07:58:08 PM  
hubiestubert: Just not a very happy one with the current crop of candidates...

I hear that. The weakness of the Republican candidates has made Obama appear stronger than he really is.

 
Mayostard [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:58:10 PM  
frenchcheesemuseum: Freaking Marylanders.

AW!

 
Roman Fyseek [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:58:50 PM  
goeniegoegoe: I think Richard Pye should become a TF-er.

Well, it seems like it's your turn in the sponsorship barrel. Have at it.

 
veale728 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:59:15 PM  
frenchcheesemuseum: SO MUCH OF THIS. I am impossible to offend. It's the damn internet for chrissakes.

I'm nearly impossible to offend. People that discriminate against blacks, jews, etc., simply because they are black, or jewish, make me want to shank 'em in the testes. But it is the internet, and like Anonymous says... "Racism is, in and of itself, humorous; being serious about it isn't" (or something like that)

/Exam time :-/

 
randomizetimer [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:59:21 PM  
Drew,

what about the "ignore liters" button idea for main page threads.

 
professorkowalski [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:59:32 PM  
Richard Pye: hubiestubert: Just not a very happy one with the current crop of candidates...

I hear that. The weakness of the Republican candidates has made Obama appear stronger than he really is.


Politics tab

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:59:33 PM  
IamAwake: "Also be aware that hypotheticals don't exist in a vacuum - individuals who claim to have been banned from Fark for no reason either rewrote history or omitted something."

While I understand you won't question your own integrity Drew, there is indeed another option.

"c) a moderator had a personal problem with an individual or something they posted, and banned them despite that individual not breaking any rules."

That being said, so what. It's your damn website, if you want to ban someone then do it. If the site were to be taken over by the government I happen to be under the thumb of, and laws specifically defined grounds for banning, THEN I (or whomever else) could fuss. Until then, your damn website.


If you know of a situation where that happened, email me about it and I'll remove the moderator if it's true

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 07:59:34 PM  
The NaSkAr: Can I be a mod?

maybe.

 
Richard Pye 2008-10-07 07:59:39 PM  
Roman Fyseek: goeniegoegoe: I think Richard Pye should become a TF-er.

Well, it seems like it's your turn in the sponsorship barrel. Have at it.


I'll pay for myself, I really should.

 
MIguy 2008-10-07 07:59:45 PM  
The NaSkAr: Can I be a mod?

Haven't you been permabanned?

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:00:16 PM  
Mayostard: AW!

And that is bad?


I don't AW alot, and when I do it is in that self deprecating kind of way.

 
randomizetimer [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:00:38 PM  
And Drew can I become a mod?

 
goeniegoegoe [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:01:01 PM  
Richard Pye: I'll pay for myself, I really should

Do it, it's a lot of fun.

 
randomizetimer [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:01:16 PM  
Leftyblonde really should be a mod.

 
The NaSkAr [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:01:19 PM  
MIguy: Haven't you been permabanned?

yes.

I was just hoping Drew would say something like "Sure then go fark yourself"

 
LOGICAL_PSYCHO 2008-10-07 08:01:30 PM  
frenchcheesemuseum: LOGICAL_PSYCHO: Please ban the attention whores.

*shakes boobies at L_P*

C'mon the attention whores are welcomed too. They get the smackdown on a regular basis from the Tfers, yet they continue to AW.

It's no worse than the constant barrage of goody-goodies who are more than easily offended, insensitive douchebags who snark up suicide threads, blatant thread jackers jacking just for the sake of jacking, holier than thous that espouse nothing but morality, etc...


No you misunderstand, we all have a "little" attention whore in us but EVERY farkING POST? Come on!!!!!
I am talking about pimping yourself(figuratively..not you)for a month of TF, over and over post after post.
Hell I got a cute penis but no one buys me a free month.

 
Atypical Person Reading Fark [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:01:43 PM  
frenchcheesemuseum: Drew: It does but there's also a note saying it was an accident so there you go

See if you had a few extra hours, I would ask you to look up my record, but alas, nobody wants to waste that kind of time.

Atypical Person Reading Fark: I've always liked Fark because it's a place where a person can post suicide threats or make jokes about rape and, apparently, not get banned. At least not too banned. Plus there's a lot of free medical advice, which always improves public health, doncha know.

If you take Fark medical advice, you deserve to die of herpmydia.


I'm sort of anti-human, so naturally, I would never take Fark medical advice - but I would certainly give it out.

However, having been raised by a thoroughly Kantian woman, I would never knowingly give bad medical advice.

There haven't been any recent chest pain or sunburn threads, though - I'm chalking that all up to the elections.

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:01:57 PM  
MIguy: The problem with the moderation here is that there's no consistancy. I'm not even talking about consistency between different mods, I'm talking about a comment being removed in one thread and then something more offensive being let go in the next thread. Mods are making decisions based on what they find offensive instead of being impartial.

That would assume that every comment gets reviewed, which is not the case. That's like saying that cops condone speeding because most people get away with it.

 
smells_like_meat [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:02:19 PM  
This explains everything. First I thought that I was just boring and unfunny. Now I realize that I was shodowbanned. (is that a real word?)

/Feels so much better as a person now.
//Like it or not it's Drew's site and his rules. I enjoy playing here, thanks.

 
jghiloni [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:02:22 PM  
LOGICAL_PSYCHO: Hell I got a cute penis but no one buys me a free month.

shell out 5 bucks, use the ignore feature, and get over it.

 
Roman Fyseek [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:02:31 PM  
randomizetimer: what about the "ignore liters" button idea for main page threads.

They'd never get sponsored. Seems like money not-in-the-bank.

/hey, maybe that's why the recurring sponsor thing is at the top.
//bastards

 
queenb4biatch [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:03:04 PM  
Dammit, Drew always gets a greenlight...

 
bartink 2008-10-07 08:03:24 PM  
Richard Pye: I hear that. The weakness of the Republican candidates has made Obama appear stronger than he really is.

Or is it that the crop was so good that only Obama could beat them?

Seriously, who wouldn't you take in the last bunch that wouldn't be better than Bush, Dole and Bush?

 
hubiestubert [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:03:26 PM  
Drew: I am looking at the SA forums. Not for their avatars and set up, but one thing that I do like over there is the transparency of the moderation. People know immediately why someone was put on probation, or why they were banned. And who did it. While I'm not advocating a separate page with each Mod's stats, it isn't a bad thing to look at to bring a bit of that transparency here.

But above all, it's the lack of response that gets folks riled up. If they don't hear back, that isn't a response itself--it's a cop out and avoiding the problem, and it only creates more.

 
randomizetimer [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:03:41 PM  
queenb4biatch: Dammit, Drew always gets a greenlight...

Not always, a few months ago he redlighted his own TFD

 
Starryeyes [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:03:48 PM  
LOGICAL_PSYCHO: No you misunderstand, we all have a "little" attention whore in us but EVERY farkING POST? Come on!!!!!
I am talking about pimping yourself(figuratively..not you)for a month of TF, over and over post after post.
Hell I got a cute penis but no one buys me a free month.


zomg who wants to sponsor me??! lulz

 
Paryb [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:03:53 PM  
Can I have a greenlight? My profile looks stupid without one.

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:04:12 PM  
make me some tea:

If someone is that close to getting tossed for good anyhow, we're not too concerned if they should have had a 50th chance vs a 49th chance. Moderator discretion is in play there.

This is what gets me, the two issues that seem to be most on people's minds are brushed off summarily.


Let me reverse the logic: mods aren't allowed to permaban anyone without bringing it to the mod list for consensus. This requires evidence and an arugment in favor of the ban from the feedback mod working the case.

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:04:19 PM  
LOGICAL_PSYCHO: No you misunderstand, we all have a "little" attention whore in us but EVERY farkING POST? Come on!!!!!
I am talking about pimping yourself(figuratively..not you)for a month of TF, over and over post after post.
Hell I got a cute penis but no one buys me a free month.


EIP - I love penis, and I'll definitely give you a free month.

I know what you mean. I also know there are some serious offenders. But the thing is, most of the guys dig it when the gals talk shop (bodyshop) so they will very rarely get narc'd.

Besides, I don't AW that way, because I don't want my pic all over the internet. I'm afraid I'll end up like that fat asian kid who got shooped to hell.

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:05:41 PM  
Dumb-Ass-Monkey: Drew: And that's a MAJOR part of the problem - If you don't actually have guidelines for what's bannable, how are WE supposed to know what's bannable? That is a great example of how you can have people banned and not knowing why.

There's an FAQ

I've seen far far far far FAR too many instances of "favored TFers", including but not limited to those form that town where the Cubs play, blatantly violating the FArQ and getting away with it.

And don't get me started on the "dammit" guy...


No one has carte-blanche. It's likely easier for some people to believe that the system is inherently unfair

 
goeniegoegoe [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:05:47 PM  
Paryb: Can I have a greenlight?

No, and also you suck at LP.

 
Roman Fyseek [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:05:58 PM  
randomizetimer: Leftyblonde really should be a mod.

Oh, now you've done it. I'll defend her like crazy right up until that.

Glitter. She can be in charge of glitter.

 
professorkowalski [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:06:38 PM  
goeniegoegoe: Paryb: Can I have a greenlight?

No, and also you suck at LP.


do not utter those words in public.

 
queenb4biatch [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:06:40 PM  
frenchcheesemuseum: Besides, I don't AW that way, because I don't want my pic all over the internet. I'm afraid I'll end up like that fat queenb4biatch who got enjoyed being shooped to hell.

ftfy

not sure what shooped is, but I bet I would like it.

 
goeniegoegoe [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:06:45 PM  
frenchcheesemuseum: I don't want my pic all over the internet

Oh, so me sharing it in my newsgroups wasn't such a good idea?

 
hubiestubert [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:06:59 PM  
Paryb: Can I have a greenlight? My profile looks stupid without one.

You need to submit better Boobies links then...

/two thirds of mine are Boobies links
//then again, I only got 3...

 
Paryb [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:07:02 PM  
goeniegoegoe: Paryb: Can I have a greenlight?

No, and also you suck at LP.


Yeah? Well your DUTCH!

SO there!

 
Roman Fyseek [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:07:33 PM  
LOGICAL_PSYCHO: penis

What a farking whiner.

 
No_47 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:07:56 PM  
tl:dr

 
The NaSkAr [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:08:39 PM  
This might not have anything to do with moderation but Drew. Could we have a "Show favorite user posts" only button?

 
Eeek [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:08:49 PM  
MIguy: Haven't you been permabanned?

I don't want to take away from Drew's thread, because, well, it's his. One thing that people honestly seem to miss or not understand about Drew is he is incredibly personable. He 'knows' people better than anyone our age that I've ever met. He can figure out a room of people in minutes. I've watched him do it and it's pretty cool. That being said, he is also extremely fair. Hell, I've been permabanned. But I explained my case, we talked like human beings and responded like one. There are many times when I see things that are in no way, shape or form put up for discussion like they are here in this thread. I assure you that if many people talked to Drew and the volunteer staff like they are in here, a ton of problems would go away. All that being said, I am not saying suck up to anyone. I am saying be fair and you can expect to be treated fairly. Crap all over the place and you get ignored or placed at the back of the line. Hate to make it so simple, but man, it is sometimes.

 
Cardinal [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:09:15 PM  
Dear Drew: Site is great, except you should consider providing concubines for the Mods.

And that goes double for the Admins and Mods emeritae.

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:09:29 PM  
Drew: No one has carte-blanche. It's likely easier for some people to believe that the system is inherently unfair

If it is the crowd I think he is referring to, I believe it just seems that way because there are SO MANY TFERs from that area. That area saturates much of TF on a daily basis. They also all know each other in real life and I think that comraderie shows through.

I think they get in trouble just as much as everybody else.

I do believe though, Drew, that mods need to fark back to everybody.

 
SirFire 2008-10-07 08:09:30 PM  
Other than one time I posted a photoshop contest entry that offended some mod for no good reason I could see (and was deleted), I have no complaints about Fark's mods (or admins or whatever you like to call them).

I do have a suggestion for later discussion: Can we make the mods/admins actually READ fark to prevent the daily occurance of repeats? Program the server to highlight any greenlit articles they haven't seen since their last login, and require them to browse them before their greenlighting button is enabled, or something like that.

Perhaps I'm just being anal about repeats, but they are sometimes quite ridiculous, often within hours of each other.

Not that repeats really mean anything at all, I mean everyone will get over it, I'm just offering a suggestion :)

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:10:22 PM  
goeniegoegoe: Oh, so me sharing it in my newsgroups wasn't such a good idea?

Was it a good one or a bad one? That matters. Was I wearing clothes?

 
Richard Pye 2008-10-07 08:10:22 PM  
Eeek: Crap all over the place and you get ignored or placed at the back of the line.

What if it's one of those "poop threads" that I keep hearing about?

 
bartink 2008-10-07 08:10:36 PM  
Drew:

Can I find out if I've ever been banned for any length of time? I don't think I have, but I do sometimes post and leave.

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:10:41 PM  
hubiestubert: #4, and #5 - splitting hairs. If someone is that close to getting tossed for good anyhow, we're not too concerned if they should have had a 50th chance vs a 49th chance. Moderator discretion is in play there.

That is bullcrap. No response creates more problems, and is a cop out. Your Mods make decisions, then they should at least be able to defend them.

Consistency. Transparency. Response.

No response allows a lot of bad decisions to be passed off, and it breeds a lot of problems. They don't want to do the work, then maybe they shouldn't have signed up to do the job.

I like the site, and I like most of the people here, but that is weak. At least have the decency to respond to people.


I disagree. Some people are so disrespectful they don't deserve a response. Moderators will work with individuals for as long as there is progress.

 
LOGICAL_PSYCHO 2008-10-07 08:10:49 PM  
frenchcheesemuseum: LOGICAL_PSYCHO: No you misunderstand, we all have a "little" attention whore in us but EVERY farkING POST? Come on!!!!!
I am talking about pimping yourself(figuratively..not you)for a month of TF, over and over post after post.
Hell I got a cute penis but no one buys me a free month.

EIP - I love penis, and I'll definitely give you a free month.

I know what you mean. I also know there are some serious offenders. But the thing is, most of the guys dig it when the gals talk shop (bodyshop) so they will very rarely get narc'd.

Besides, I don't AW that way, because I don't want my pic all over the internet. I'm afraid I'll end up like that fat asian kid who got shooped to hell.


Nah.. thank you but I look better as a liter, if I was back in TF I would get all uppity and all that.
But yeah, I am the first one to look at someones profile if I think they are a female, I think it is a law on fark. But there are people who take it to extremes. I really don't expect them(Drew) to do anything about it but it made me feel a little better venting.

 
Paryb [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:11:08 PM  
Cardinal: And that goes double for the Admins and Mods emeritae.

Has been! Unless you get escorts and booze, then can I be your friend?

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:11:14 PM  
hubiestubert: You need to submit better Boobies links then...

/two thirds of mine are Boobies links
//then again, I only got 3...


A few of mine were Boobies links too.

 
Adman12 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:11:37 PM  
GregoryD: Adman12: I think Drew would be better off with fewer FARQ rules and more admission of subjectivity and reaction to personal slights. After all, Drew is no lawyer, and as soon as he starts to define the rules in detail, he has a million amateur lawyers (and several real ones) picking apart the internal logic and consistency of those rules.

This.

THIS. Dammit.

This sums up what I was tryin' to say much more eloquently.



Thanks. I was beginning to think I'd been "shadowbanned"...

 
Roy Keane's Big Toe 2008-10-07 08:11:40 PM  
I have no problem with the mods.
I'm really not that bothered if anyone else has a problem with them. (How dumb do you have to be to get banned?)

And yet I'm here, at 1AM (Irish time), commenting on this.

And it also seems that this Drew is a real person...

 
lordargent 2008-10-07 08:11:41 PM  
MIguy: I'm talking about a comment being removed in one thread and then something more offensive being let go in the next thread. Mods are making decisions based on what they find offensive instead of being impartial.

Do you know why I pulled you over son?

I clocked you going 67 in a 65 zone. Now why are you speeding on my freeway.

/then on another day, you can cruise at 80 and get ignored by a cop.

 
queenb4biatch [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:11:48 PM  
LOGICAL_PSYCHO: thank you but I look better as a liter,

too late...you're back to wearing that TF bright pink jumpsuit...

 
bartink 2008-10-07 08:11:56 PM  
Okay, this being unable to reverse the comments is driving me crazy.

 
blurfyblonde 2008-10-07 08:12:43 PM  
I love this place.

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:12:54 PM  
Drew: I disagree. Some people are so disrespectful they don't deserve a response. Moderators will work with individuals for as long as there is progress.

Thanks, you answered my question.

 
Dumb-Ass-Monkey [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:13:07 PM  
Drew: No one has carte-blanche. It's likely easier for some people to believe that the system is inherently unfair

OK, real life experience then - I got a 48 hour time out for thread jacking.

It was 1 post. Maybe 4 sentences. Total. That was the entire "threadjack".

Then (to name names) you have people like Kitwilly who would pollute thread after thread, with many alts, and he got away with it for a LONG TIME.

Yes, it IS easy for people to believe the system is inherently unfair when they've witnessed the unfairness in action too many times to count.

 
goeniegoegoe [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:13:38 PM  
frenchcheesemuseum: Was I wearing clothes?

There's pics of you with clothes??

 
bartink 2008-10-07 08:13:50 PM  
frenchcheesemuseum: A few of mine were Boobies links too.

I never got a greenlight and then one day no new links were being posted so I posted like 4 different stories and got my first two greenlights, and they were consecutive. Too funny...to me.

 
lordargent 2008-10-07 08:14:13 PM  
bartink: Can I find out if I've ever been banned for any length of time? I don't think I have, but I do sometimes post and leave.

Do you eat while posting?

Are you a panda bear?

/eats posts and leaves

 
goeniegoegoe [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:14:18 PM  
Excellent Richard!

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:14:22 PM  
veale728: Drew, is it still possible to sponsor shadowbanned Farkers, or was this fixed? I got a refund when I tried this a few weeks back, and the modmin responding to my Farkback said it would be fixed soon.

I don't know the answer to that. Also take into account that individual statuses change

 
sokeri 2008-10-07 08:14:52 PM  
MIguy: The NaSkAr: Can I be a mod?

Haven't you been permabanned?


who hasn't?

 
Richard Pye 2008-10-07 08:15:11 PM  
Drew: I don't know the answer to that. Also take into account that individual statuses change

The correct word is statii

 
andyofne [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:15:21 PM  
Fuel13: andyofne: bulldg4life: If there's one thing that should be removed, it is ALTs.

Good idea. Everyone should be identified by their first and last names.

Or first firstnameofstate of residence abbreviation.


hardy har har har har

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:15:27 PM  
Roman Fyseek: Oh, Drew: I have a real live complaint.

On the 'sponsor a farker' page with all the subscriptions? Yeah... The non-recurring should really be at the top. I've twice accidentally (you can check) sponsored somebody for recurring and then had to click things to undo it in paypal or something. I got a notice that the account was canceled. Sure, I read the farq and knew that the notice was just telling me that the recurring portion of it was canceled but, I suspect the farkers that I sponsored got a confusing message.

Yeah, I could have read it. I just wanna click on things.


</rant>


For some reason or other it always says the sub is recurring. Been meaning to fix that. Worst case tho just cancel the sub, it'll last til end of term and won't recur

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:15:41 PM  
ok, I'm leaving now.

 
professorkowalski [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:15:47 PM  
Dumb-Ass-Monkey: Drew: No one has carte-blanche. It's likely easier for some people to believe that the system is inherently unfair

OK, real life experience then - I got a 48 hour time out for thread jacking.

It was 1 post. Maybe 4 sentences. Total. That was the entire "threadjack".

Then (to name names) you have people like Kitwilly who would pollute thread after thread, with many alts, and he got away with it for a LONG TIME.

Yes, it IS easy for people to believe the system is inherently unfair when they've witnessed the unfairness in action too many times to count.


It may be illogical and impossible to do, but is their anyway to get rid of alts?

 
hockeyfarker 2008-10-07 08:15:47 PM  
If The NaSkAr gets to be a mod I'm leaving forever

 
Third Day Mark 2008-10-07 08:16:06 PM  
I'm just glad to know that Fark is essentially an online house party.

So where's the bathroom. I've been holding this thing since Tampa... >.>

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:16:18 PM  
tin_man: Drew: For the record, I don't have an alt. I dislike drama, and net drama makes even less sense to me.

That must make it really hard to relate to a lot of the posts in this thread. You have my condolences.


Yes, it does

 
Roman Fyseek [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:16:29 PM  
Eeek: take away from Drew's thread,

reported for threadjacking

frenchcheesemuseum: I do believe though, Drew, that mods need to fark back to everybody.

I'd like to see statistics on the farkback before I agree with this. They might get hundreds of them a day.

Then again, if they get 6 a day, I'd support that.

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:16:34 PM  
queenb4biatch: not sure what shooped is, but I bet I would like it.

i440.photobucket.com

i440.photobucket.com

Photoshop is not kind.

 
Richard Pye 2008-10-07 08:16:59 PM  
goeniegoegoe: Excellent Richard!

So I have paid for TotalFark, do I get boobies in my email and stuff now?

 
LOGICAL_PSYCHO 2008-10-07 08:17:13 PM  
Roman Fyseek: LOGICAL_PSYCHO: penis

What a farking whiner wiener.


Dang you.
Thanks
But I honestly wasn't fishing for a sub, just venting.

/FTFY

 
Ksup 2008-10-07 08:17:17 PM  
queenb4biatch
offtopic
nice to see ya queen
/offtopic

/i like the idea of putting a placemark where the offending post was. With a lil quip about what rule was broken.

 
queenb4biatch [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:18:18 PM  
Ksup: offtopic
nice to see ya queen
/offtopic


threadjack
ZOMG - awesome to see you! eip, it's been a long time!
end threadjack

 
Adman12 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:18:19 PM  
Ksup: /i like the idea of putting a placemark where the offending post was. With a lil quip about what rule was broken.


Is that how you are in real life? Because that would be kind of sad.

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:18:31 PM  
Btw I'm out for about an hour, back after

 
Cardinal [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:18:48 PM  
Paryb: Wait -- you didn't know that ALL triple-digit farkers already get hookers and blow, delivered? Hmmm.

 
goeniegoegoe [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:18:57 PM  
Richard Pye: do I get boobies in my email and stuff now?

Yes, withing 5 minutes.

 
GregoryD 2008-10-07 08:18:59 PM  
Dumb-Ass-Monkey: I got a 48 hour time out for thread jacking.

Dude it sucks to get banned for any reason. You just gotta move on sometimes.

It is human nature to be angry about it, but in the overall picture of things, 48 hours is like swatting a baby and saying "NO!".

 
MIguy 2008-10-07 08:19:29 PM  
1. Remove posts that threaten somebody

2. Remove posts that encourage an illegal act

3. Remove posts over 20 lines long

4. Remove duplicate posts

5. Remove pictures showing nudity, graphic violence or things most people would find offensive.

The end

 
Roman Fyseek [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:20:24 PM  
LOGICAL_PSYCHO: venting

Drew: about that anonymous sponsorship thing. Really. Where the hell is that button?

 
Eeek [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:20:30 PM  
Oh, shiat. Don't leave me here alone, dude.

 
Atypical Person Reading Fark [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:20:40 PM  
Eeek: MIguy: Haven't you been permabanned?

I don't want to take away from Drew's thread, because, well, it's his. One thing that people honestly seem to miss or not understand about Drew is he is incredibly personable. He 'knows' people better than anyone our age that I've ever met. He can figure out a room of people in minutes. I've watched him do it and it's pretty cool. That being said, he is also extremely fair. Hell, I've been permabanned. But I explained my case, we talked like human beings and responded like one. There are many times when I see things that are in no way, shape or form put up for discussion like they are here in this thread. I assure you that if many people talked to Drew and the volunteer staff like they are in here, a ton of problems would go away. All that being said, I am not saying suck up to anyone. I am saying be fair and you can expect to be treated fairly. Crap all over the place and you get ignored or placed at the back of the line. Hate to make it so simple, but man, it is sometimes.


I'd have to say that, well, all that you posted is transparent and obvious.

After a quick discussion here about the ethics of shadow-banning (my partner is an ethicist, actually), we agreed it would be nice (though not necessarily fair) if more businesses did the same thing. Each private enterprise should be allowed to sculpt its business environment to the extent of the law - and both of us are relatively speaking...anarchists...so having a law that says, "ALL threadjackers should be punished else Fark will be shut down by the Feds" is stoopit in the extreme.

I see some mod volunteers. I was a mod - very briefly - on another site (during an uproar of moderator turnover) and didn't get a chance to enjoy the power trip. However, ultimately, I was very glad it was so brief. Parenting random anonymous people is just not my gig. I think you younger folk should go for it, for sure though.

Mod away.

 
Roman Fyseek [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:21:10 PM  
Drew: Btw I'm out for about an hour, back after

I'll give you 26 minutes. That's plenty of time to get to the gym.

 
el_dudarino [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:21:57 PM  
Richard Pye: So I have paid for TotalFark, do I get boobies in my email and stuff now?

Someone throwing him a welcome thread?

 
goeniegoegoe [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:22:17 PM  
Eeek: Oh, shiat. Don't leave me here alone, dude.

Can we do an ask the moderator session now?

 
No_47 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:22:50 PM  
Eeek: Oh, shiat. Don't leave me here alone, dude.

DOGPILE

DOOOGPIIIIIIIIIILE!

 
Third Day Mark 2008-10-07 08:23:18 PM  
Roman Fyseek: Drew: Btw I'm out for about an hour, back after

I'll give you 26 minutes. That's plenty of time to get to the gym.


I don't get that one. Can you explain that meme?

 
sirgrim [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:23:35 PM  
As someone that hasn't been given a ban or timeout since 2004 I don't generally care.

/not like I'm paying for this privilege

 
jackdied 2008-10-07 08:23:57 PM  
1) I approve.

2) Can we do something to rejuvenate the photoshop threads? I say this as someone who hasn't posted in one in years...

 
Richard Pye 2008-10-07 08:24:11 PM  
Third Day Mark: I don't get that one. Can you explain that meme?

John Fitzgerald Page. He's out there.

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:24:45 PM  
goeniegoegoe: Eeek: Oh, shiat. Don't leave me here alone, dude.

Can we do an ask the moderator session now?


ask me stuff now.

 
Paryb [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:25:08 PM  
Cardinal: Paryb: Wait -- you didn't know that ALL triple-digit farkers already get hookers and blow, delivered? Hmmm.

Mine was lost in the mail.

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:25:50 PM  
MIguy: 3. Remove posts over 20 lines long

shut your mouth

 
el_dudarino [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:25:52 PM  
leftyblonde: goeniegoegoe: Eeek: Oh, shiat. Don't leave me here alone, dude.

Can we do an ask the moderator session now?

ask me stuff now.


Do you think I'm pretty?

 
bartink 2008-10-07 08:25:57 PM  
Since this thread will be worthless for an hour, someone wanna explain the "Thats bad news...for Obama" meme?

 
Dumb-Ass-Monkey [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:26:10 PM  
GregoryD: Dude it sucks to get banned for any reason. You just gotta move on sometimes.

The point isn't that I was banned, it's that I was banned for such a small, stupid thing while the Favored Farkers could regularly get away with murder.

 
Richard Pye 2008-10-07 08:26:41 PM  
bartink: Since this thread will be worthless for an hour, someone wanna explain the "Thats bad news...for Obama" meme?

You don't know about it? Wow...

...that's bad news ... for Obama.

 
Roman Fyseek [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:26:45 PM  
MIguy: 1. Remove posts that threaten somebody

2. Remove posts that encourage an illegal act

3. Remove posts over 20 lines long

4. Remove duplicate posts

5. Remove pictures showing nudity, graphic violence or things most people would find offensive.


I disagree completely with this post.

Duplicate posts, maybe. Offending photos, yeah. The rest? I wouldn't touch it. Encouraging illegal acts? The posts that tell the job-seeker that he should smoke some pot to calm down for the interview but do cocaine to stay awake should be removed? No way. Acceptable snark in my opinion.

Threaten somebody? I'm certain that there's plenty of threatening snark out there. Witness the idea of Bucket O' Rocks. That's obviously a threatening thing. But, everybody knows that it's a humor thing, not an actual threat.

Over 20 lines? You mean like drew's bewbies in this thread? Or like this very post?

I think the mods do a fine job with deleting individual posts with outstanding objectivity.

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:26:58 PM  
goeniegoegoe: Eeek: Oh, shiat. Don't leave me here alone, dude.

Can we do an ask the moderator session now?


Yeah!!!

 
bartink 2008-10-07 08:27:08 PM  
Richard Pye: You don't know about it? Wow...

...that's bad news ... for Obama.


Thank for nothing.

 
Drasher 2008-10-07 08:27:10 PM  

Rotsky?


HEY! Drew's here!
He answered my email once...

MY LAWN!
OFF!

anything else?

Oh, yeah...
/slash!

 
hubiestubert [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:27:13 PM  
Eeek: MIguy: Haven't you been permabanned?

I don't want to take away from Drew's thread, because, well, it's his. One thing that people honestly seem to miss or not understand about Drew is he is incredibly personable. He 'knows' people better than anyone our age that I've ever met. He can figure out a room of people in minutes. I've watched him do it and it's pretty cool. That being said, he is also extremely fair. Hell, I've been permabanned. But I explained my case, we talked like human beings and responded like one. There are many times when I see things that are in no way, shape or form put up for discussion like they are here in this thread. I assure you that if many people talked to Drew and the volunteer staff like they are in here, a ton of problems would go away. All that being said, I am not saying suck up to anyone. I am saying be fair and you can expect to be treated fairly. Crap all over the place and you get ignored or placed at the back of the line. Hate to make it so simple, but man, it is sometimes.


There are cases where folks have waited for months to get a response. For simple things like, "Why can't I sponsor someone?"

Not, "Hey, Asshats? WTF? Are you all retarted? I wanna sponsor me some folks and you SUCK!"

This is a related issue.

I can understand that folks who get their knickers in a twist and get snippy don't get a quick--or even any--response. But there is definitely a sliding scale for responses for folks. Some people wait in Limbo, and some get a response pretty dang quick. And often for little stuff, like sponsoring.

And that is where the perception of unfairness comes from. And it is relatively easily alleviated. But Drew and I are going to have to disagree on this point, apparently.

 
quinblake 2008-10-07 08:27:33 PM  
Hai guys - what's the good word? I've never posted here before.
Any tips or suggestions would be appreciated.

 
Richard Pye 2008-10-07 08:28:13 PM  
Dumb-Ass-Monkey: The point isn't that I was banned, it's that I was banned for such a small, stupid thing while the Favored Farkers could regularly get away with murder.

You're just one of those guys. I went to visit my friend at his university campus, and we went to see one of his friends and I smashed that guy's toilet, because of the way he reacted. He had that kind of face and countenance, y'know, you wanted to upset him.

 
exit 2008-10-07 08:28:14 PM  
Dumb-Ass-Monkey: The point isn't that I was banned, it's that I was banned for such a small, stupid thing while the Favored Farkers could regularly get away with murder.

Are you talking about the Elite TFers? I hate those guys. They come into the threads and are all "What up, dude?" and I'm like... Pfft... I could have said that.

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:28:19 PM  
el_dudarino: Do you think I'm pretty?

I'm not on your list so I can't answer that question.

 
Ksup 2008-10-07 08:28:34 PM  
Adman12

Ksup: /i like the idea of putting a placemark where the offending post was. With a lil quip about what rule was broken.


Is that how you are in real life? Because that would be kind of sad

yes i am real and this is life. I don't get it.

 
professorkowalski [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:28:35 PM  
quinblake: Hai guys - what's the good word? I've never posted here before.
Any tips or suggestions would be appreciated.


GTFO

 
Roman Fyseek [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:28:43 PM  
Third Day Mark: I don't get that one. Can you explain that meme?

It was a TFD thread. "I've got (some impossible question) but, make it quick, I have to go to the gym in 26 minutes."

/paraphrased

 
exit 2008-10-07 08:29:29 PM  
quinblake: Hai guys - what's the good word? I've never posted here before.
Any tips or suggestions would be appreciated.


Stop posting.

 
goeniegoegoe [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:29:34 PM  
exit: They

What up dude?

Lefty you don't have to answer me, I speak to you in my dreams, okidoki?

 
GregoryD 2008-10-07 08:30:02 PM  
Dumb-Ass-Monkey: The point isn't that I was banned, it's that I was banned for such a small, stupid thing

I understand. Like I said, sometimes it happens and you just gotta move on.

You just happened to be in the radar gun of the police.

Do you believe someone was out to get you specifically?

 
Richard Pye 2008-10-07 08:30:10 PM  
bartink: Thank for nothing.

That's really all there is to it.

 
Third Day Mark 2008-10-07 08:30:13 PM  
Roman Fyseek: Third Day Mark: I don't get that one. Can you explain that meme?

It was a TFD thread. "I've got (some impossible question) but, make it quick, I have to go to the gym in 26 minutes."

/paraphrased


Grassy ass.

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:30:39 PM  
goeniegoegoe: exit: They

What up dude?

Lefty you don't have to answer me, I speak to you in my dreams, okidoki?


........................................

 
Eeek [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:31:09 PM  
The stuff I can answer isn't real good- like home many ball bearings are in a 7 ball bearing, what is peanut butter made of (peanuts and butter,) and/or is it the sun or a star (moon.) That's about what I answer. The rest of the stuff, well, that's over my head. You see, I'm like the guy with the mop. But I don't get a bucket. I just get a dry mop. So, it's like a really hard to control broom. Sometimes I get stuff, sometimes I twist the handle off and beat the wall. I do get my job done.

 
hockeyfarker 2008-10-07 08:31:59 PM  
bartink: Richard Pye: You don't know about it? Wow...

...that's bad news ... for Obama.

Thank for nothing.


if you find yourself wondering about what a certain meme is about, I find it's helpful to realize that it doesn't matter. usually it's retarded anyways. This might not seem helpful to you right now, but believe me, it is

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:35:02 PM  
Drew: Btw I'm out for about an hour, back after

should we wait?

 
JohnBigBootay 2008-10-07 08:35:14 PM  
Roman Fyseek: I disagree completely with this post.

Duplicate posts, maybe. Offending photos, yeah. The rest? I wouldn't touch it. Encouraging illegal acts? The posts that tell the job-seeker that he should smoke some pot to calm down for the interview but do cocaine to stay awake should be removed? No way. Acceptable snark in my opinion.

Threaten somebody? I'm certain that there's plenty of threatening snark out there. Witness the idea of Bucket O' Rocks. That's obviously a threatening thing. But, everybody knows that it's a humor thing, not an actual threat.

Over 20 lines? You mean like drew's bewbies in this thread? Or like this very post?

I think the mods do a fine job with deleting individual posts with outstanding objectivity.


Sgree - #1 should be changed to "posting personal information" or something like that

 
make me some tea [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:35:59 PM  
Drew: Let me reverse the logic: mods aren't allowed to permaban anyone without bringing it to the mod list for consensus. This requires evidence and an arugment in favor of the ban from the feedback mod working the case.

Well, I'm glad that permabans are decided by committee and not more arbitrarily.

Maybe I wasn't clear when I said that, I was referring specifically to someone getting permabanned and getting the "no response being a legitimate response" treatment.

I'm in hubiestubert's camp here: getting no response at all from Fark staff breeds even more contempt than it would otherwise, which I've seen spill out into threads and create more work for everyone down the road. The poison that spills out into threads also lessens the experience for everyone else.

I can kinda see why you guys might think that no response is the best response to keep the drama at bay, but I disagree, a minimum level of communication is the best road to take with folks who have broken the rules. Few Farkers really intentionally look to catch a ban.

If, as you say, the door is open to review someone's permaban status after a period of time, perhaps a simple "Ask us again in a year and we'll talk about it" or something might be appropriate.

 
andrewabc 2008-10-07 08:36:02 PM  
Drew

The other day I was at university computer lab and went to fark.com and the amount of animated ads at the top and right side were really distracting.
This is probably why I have adblock with firefox since it was invented. I sincerely don't see how people can browse the web with 20% of screen space filled with animated ads. I guess I am able to completely ignore the text ads, so I guess that is why large distracting animated ads are necessary?

Do you have any plans to try and put more ads past adblock, or do you realize that people that use adblock are not the target audience for advertisements anyway?

I could see in the future maybe text ad/link between some submissions, such as facebook has done with integrating text ads in the newsfeed section. Sadly the greasemonkey scripts havn't been updated to remove facebook text ads yet.

Do you bother "fighting" methods of ways to remove ads? Or is it as pointless as the DRM people fighting piracy?

 
bartink 2008-10-07 08:36:04 PM  
hockeyfarker: if you find yourself wondering about what a certain meme is about, I find it's helpful to realize that it doesn't matter. usually it's retarded anyways. This might not seem helpful to you right now, but believe me, it is

I'm not so sure about that. Some meme's are hilarious if you understand their roots e.g. wife-like typing detected.

Just wondering about that particular one.

 
MIguy 2008-10-07 08:36:10 PM  
Why is the "free cat" picture banned but people can post somebody puking?

 
goeniegoegoe [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:36:21 PM  
Eeek: You see, I'm like the guy with the mop. But I don't get a bucket. I just get a dry mop. So, it's like a really hard to control broom. Sometimes I get stuff, sometimes I twist the handle off and beat the wall. I do get my job done.

I am getting a new house soon, and I have to clean the floor thoroughly, it smells really, really bad (former owners had 2 sick kittens). Could I use a dry mop for that?

 
JohnBigBootay 2008-10-07 08:36:31 PM  
Third Day Mark: Roman Fyseek: Third Day Mark: I don't get that one. Can you explain that meme?

It was a TFD thread. "I've got (some impossible question) but, make it quick, I have to go to the gym in 26 minutes."

/paraphrased

Grassy ass.


The explanation provided was very wrong. Just so you know

 
quinblake 2008-10-07 08:37:57 PM  
exit: quinblake: Hai guys - what's the good word? I've never posted here before.
Any tips or suggestions would be appreciated.

Stop posting.


Wow, doesn't take much to get a post zapped around here, does it?

 
lucita 2008-10-07 08:38:27 PM  
EL_FABREZ: As long as there's never any emoticons, automatic signatures where people can leave quotes at the end of a post, or stupid pics next to their name, I'll be happy.

THIS

 
exit 2008-10-07 08:38:47 PM  
quinblake: Wow, doesn't take much to get a post zapped around here, does it?

What did I just tell you to do?

 
Dumb-Ass-Monkey [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:39:04 PM  
GregoryD: Do you believe someone was out to get you specifically?

no. and that's the thing. There are so many people who blatantly break the rules, and people just laugh and say "oh you're so funny". I feel I was tagged because the Mod had to nail someone, just to make it look like he was doing his job.

 
goeniegoegoe [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:39:23 PM  
quinblake: Wow, doesn't take much to get a post zapped around here, does it?

Are you still here? Veird.

 
JediChris1138 2008-10-07 08:39:39 PM  
I've been reading fark since 2001 or so... I can't remember a day when I didn't check Fark at least a handful of times. I've NEVER had a problem with the mods.

Thanks Drew!

P.S. When are you coming to LA? Tom and Craig throw parties here all the time. You should join in!

 
Croooow! 2008-10-07 08:40:17 PM  
Drew is being nice. He should just say "some of you freaks are way too invested in this silly website" and be done with it.

 
Spongegirl Circleskirt 2008-10-07 08:40:52 PM  
*skims thread*
I see why I left.

 
FigPucker 2008-10-07 08:41:09 PM  
In before epic thread is ep...DAMN!!!!

/reads Drew's screed
//*meh* too long to be a meme

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:41:22 PM  
The NaSkAr: MIguy: Haven't you been permabanned?

yes.

I was just hoping Drew would say something like "Sure then go fark yourself"


Go fark yourself

 
AbeUser 2008-10-07 08:41:34 PM  
Just need to mention that this thread reads like a discussion between a high school principal and a student who was just told that he is getting suspended.

Student: How do I know what is allowed or not. You are just making it up as you go along.

Principal: It would be impossible to list every possible offense and punishment in writing.

Student: But that's unfair.

Principal: Was fair when you put a dead cockroach in your teacher's salad? I don't think that was fair.

*Note: Any resemblance to an actual conversation I had in the 11th grade is completely intentional.

 
bartink 2008-10-07 08:41:37 PM  
Croooow!: Drew is being nice. He should just say "some of you freaks are way too invested in this silly website" and be done with it.

He makes a fortune off of us idiots. Are you kidding me?

 
goeniegoegoe [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:41:50 PM  
Drew: I was just hoping Drew would say something like "Sure then go fark yourself"

Go fark yourself


hahahaha

 
make me some tea [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:42:43 PM  
Drew: The NaSkAr: MIguy: Haven't you been permabanned?

yes.

I was just hoping Drew would say something like "Sure then go fark yourself"

Go fark yourself


lol

 
quinblake 2008-10-07 08:43:32 PM  
goeniegoegoe: quinblake: Wow, doesn't take much to get a post zapped around here, does it?

Are you still here? Veird.


Yes, I mentioned another web site in a previous post and my post was zapped. I didn't even post boobies or anything.

 
pudintain [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:43:56 PM  
Drew: I was just hoping Drew would say something like "Sure then go fark yourself"

Go fark yourself


lulz

 
Ksup 2008-10-07 08:44:09 PM  
I like the free cat pic

/so does my cat
/cause it's FUNNY

 
Dumb-Ass-Monkey [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:44:20 PM  
Spongegirl Circleskirt: *skims thread*
I see why I left.


year and a half later, and you guys STILL aren't over it...

Move on! Let it go!

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:44:38 PM  
Drew: Go fark yourself

this.

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:44:46 PM  
bartink: Drew:

Can I find out if I've ever been banned for any length of time? I don't think I have, but I do sometimes post and leave.


If you haven't noticed, the answer is no

 
exit 2008-10-07 08:44:50 PM  
Croooow!: He should just say "some of you freaks are way too invested in this silly website" and be done with it.

Look, just because all my friends are on here and I start every sentence with "so on fark today...", and I had my favorite fark thread tattoed into the back of my girlfriends head doesn't mean I'm too invested.

 
el_dudarino [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:44:53 PM  
leftyblonde: el_dudarino: Do you think I'm pretty?

I'm not on your list so I can't answer that question.


You could be one of the "others"

 
Roman Fyseek [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:45:02 PM  
andrewabc: Do you bother "fighting" methods of ways to remove ads? Or is it as pointless as the DRM people fighting piracy?

He has to make money to keep the servers alive. There was a thread the other day. The bottom line is this: the ads pay for things. It's not cheap to host a bunch of freaks' arbitrary conversations.

And, it seems like you're a freeloader for demanding that he remove ads while you, apparently, aren't paying for the service.

/not that paying for the service will eliminate the ads

 
GregoryD 2008-10-07 08:45:28 PM  
Dumb-Ass-Monkey: no. and that's the thing. There are so many people who blatantly break the rules, and people just laugh and say "oh you're so funny". I feel I was tagged because the Mod had to nail someone, just to make it look like he was doing his job.

I don't know. I guess I don't see a lot of people who break the rules. I'm not a mod, but my guess is you were just unlucky.

 
Croooow! 2008-10-07 08:45:41 PM  
bartink: He makes a fortune off of us idiots. Are you kidding me?

4 million users, only about 2000 posts in this thread from a few hundred users. He makes a fortune off those other idiots.

 
Eeek [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:46:20 PM  
Why is the "free cat" picture banned but people can post somebody puking?

Are you serious? It hasn't been, from day one. In fact, I have deleted more pictures of people puking than of the free cat. However, I have a feeling the you have a thread book marked where we missed one just so you can go 'see, puke!!!' Help us get these things. If we miss them, holding them against in this way kind of sucks, if you can see my point of view. We cannot be everywhere and I will be the first and sure as hell not the last to say we cannot see every single post. If that was missed, please let me know and I will take care of it. I am sorry you had to see it and if you had reported it, it would have been taken care of.

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:47:07 PM  
el_dudarino: You could be one of the "others"

how many "others" are there?

 
The NaSkAr [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:47:15 PM  
Drew: Go fark yourself

YES!

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:47:35 PM  
Dumb-Ass-Monkey: Drew: No one has carte-blanche. It's likely easier for some people to believe that the system is inherently unfair

OK, real life experience then - I got a 48 hour time out for thread jacking.

It was 1 post. Maybe 4 sentences. Total. That was the entire "threadjack".

Then (to name names) you have people like Kitwilly who would pollute thread after thread, with many alts, and he got away with it for a LONG TIME.

Yes, it IS easy for people to believe the system is inherently unfair when they've witnessed the unfairness in action too many times to count.


You assume that all else was equal. It wasn't. I don't want to go into personal situations, there's a lot more going on. We'll be discussing much of this process in the next installment

 
Spongegirl Circleskirt 2008-10-07 08:47:38 PM  
Dumb-Ass-Monkey: Spongegirl Circleskirt: *skims thread*
I see why I left.

year and a half later, and you guys STILL aren't over it...

Move on! Let it go!


nothing to get over I like saying fark at my new home
I like my freedom

 
uuddlrlrbastart 2008-10-07 08:47:45 PM  
I think community voting is good, I do understand it is your site Drew. But, have you looked into other options? There are ways to go in the middle. Theres a site called bannanation or something that takes away peoples vowels. So if you mess up enough your posts look ridiculous. I am not saying steal that idea. I am saying instead of saying its my way or the highway, try to be open something new. I think it would be cool to see some changes here.

 
Roman Fyseek [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:47:48 PM  
bartink: He makes a fortune off of us idiots. Are you kidding me?

He would have had a much more pimpin' suit at the fark party if that were true.

 
h2ogate [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:47:56 PM  
To the people wondering about inconsistent moderation, or "why was photo X deleted when photo Y wasn't":
Sometimes people use the "notify moderators about this thread" link, and sometimes nobody does. I don't believe there are enough moderators online at any given hour to read every thread and give careful consideration to every post. They can't catch every problem on their own. If you see something in a thread that is in obvious breach of the rules, you should use that link and report it.

 
tin_man [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:48:09 PM  
Drew: The NaSkAr: MIguy: Haven't you been permabanned?

yes.

I was just hoping Drew would say something like "Sure then go fark yourself"

Go fark yourself


You might as well retire, because nothing will ever top that.

 
The NaSkAr [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:48:31 PM  
pudintain: lulz

pud!

 
goeniegoegoe [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:48:57 PM  
Imma go sleep now, it's way too late. Thanks for the fun.

 
Evil Twin Skippy [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:48:57 PM  
Hey Drew,

Just wanted to add my $0.02. I volunteer at a Folk Festival, and even a bunch of hippies run straight into the same sorts of problems. Most people get along and go with the flow. And then you have... the trouble makers. Sometimes they are completely oblivious, sometimes they are completely evil, at the end of the day though our only tool to maintain order is a front door to heave them out of.

If they are one of our Volunteers, they are recorded in our annals of the "NFGs". No Fscking Good. Sometimes we ask folks to sit out for a year. Sometimes, we never want to hear from them again in our committee. Sometimes, we send them over to other committees as a warning.

We even have a wrap sheet of paying guests who we have decided to not cater to because of their shenanigans.

Controlling access is the only way to ensure everyone has a good time.

 
el_dudarino [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:50:35 PM  
leftyblonde: el_dudarino: You could be one of the "others"

how many "others" are there?


4 of you them

 
Lusiphur 2008-10-07 08:50:53 PM  
CastorPimp: Account created: 2004-03-04 23:29:58

get off MY lawn.


First account: Account created: 2002-09-29 12:15:27

Both of you whippersnappers need to get off my lawn.

/Onion...check. Belt.....check.
//Anyone got five bees for a quarter?

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:50:55 PM  
goeniegoegoe: Imma go sleep now, it's way too late. Thanks for the fun.

*nitey-nite hugs and kissies for you*

 
uselessgit 2008-10-07 08:51:02 PM  
So there is a sliding fee scale on bannination?

I can get banninated more than once? Christ-y, I'm not trying hard enough!

 
Roman Fyseek [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:51:17 PM  
tin_man: nothing will ever top that.

I was personally chewed out by a four star general when I was an E-3 for tying my yellow safety-strap into a bow-tie around my BDUs and then couldn't get it back off.

Nothing tops *that*.

 
Hyperbolic Hyperbole [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:51:36 PM  
Hey Drew, I know this is somewhat off-topic to the thread, but I missed the one about the ads.

As it currently stands, 1/3 of my screen is grey as I type this. would it be possible to implant some sort of very basic MSPaint-like feature where we could directly embed doodles into our posts? This would be awesome.

 
fanbladesaresharp 2008-10-07 08:51:42 PM  
make me some tea:

If, as you say, the door is open to review someone's permaban status after a period of time, perhaps a simple "Ask us again in a year and we'll talk about it" or something might be appropriate.



Read the FAQs then. But as Drew mentioned with 4.3 million subscribers, how many you think he can get through per day? Or the mods. Typically everything you need to know is in the FAQs, if not, there's plenty of farkers out there that can answer your Q's.

 
Dumb-Ass-Monkey [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:51:55 PM  
Spongegirl Circleskirt: nothing to get over I like saying fark at my new home
I like my freedom


Good. But I checked your site, and am amazed at the sheer level of hatred at all things Fark. Not just the mod policies, but the users in general.

After all this time, one would thing y'all would have better things to do than bash Fark. It's like having a bad breakup, getting a new SO (one you think is better in every way) and then spending all your time complaining about the ex.

 
pudintain [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:52:11 PM  
The NaSkAr

pud!

Heya!

 
moosen 2008-10-07 08:52:28 PM  
moosen:

Drew
,

on the topic of photoshop contests:

I understand that the whole point of TF is allow privilege to those who want to pay a little for it. Back when Total Fark was a smaller circle, us liters had a decent shot of getting our foot in the door for the Photoshop contests, to have some relevant input and get noticed. TF has gotten so big, though, that by the time we even see the PS contests these days, they're already 50+ submissions deep. Photoshop contests are what got me hooked on Fark to begin with, but now it's kindof a Total-Farker-only party that we get to spectate.

I know people are going to tell me that i'm biatching or that's the point of TF. It would just be nice if the handicap (time-wise) was about as even as it used to be.

bumping this to see if anyone can give me some feedback.

 
Starryeyes [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:52:39 PM  
Hyperbolic Hyperbole: Hey Drew, I know this is somewhat off-topic to the thread, but I missed the one about the ads.

As it currently stands, 1/3 of my screen is grey as I type this. would it be possible to implant some sort of very basic MSPaint-like feature where we could directly embed doodles into our posts? This would be awesome.


*whips out Wacom pen*

 
Roman Fyseek [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:52:41 PM  
JohnBigBootay: The explanation provided was very wrong. Just so you know

Really? That's where I saw it.

/ass-u-me-d

 
MissFeasance [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:53:06 PM  
uuddlrlrbastart: I think community voting is good, I do understand it is your site Drew. But, have you looked into other options? There are ways to go in the middle. Theres a site called bannanation or something that takes away peoples vowels. So if you mess up enough your posts look ridiculous. I am not saying steal that idea. I am saying instead of saying its my way or the highway, try to be open something new. I think it would be cool to see some changes here.

*facepalm*

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:53:12 PM  
Croooow!: Drew is being nice. He should just say "some of you freaks are way too invested in this silly website" and be done with it.

I agree 99.9999999% The other .000000001% doesn't matter.

 
uselessgit 2008-10-07 08:54:38 PM  
Evil Twin Skippy: Hey Drew,

Just wanted to add my $0.02. I volunteer at a Folk Festival, and even a bunch of hippies run straight into the same sorts of problems. Most people get along and go with the flow. And then you have... the trouble makers. Sometimes they are completely oblivious, sometimes they are completely evil, at the end of the day though our only tool to maintain order is a front door to heave them out of.

If they are one of our Volunteers, they are recorded in our annals of the "NFGs". No Fscking Good. Sometimes we ask folks to sit out for a year. Sometimes, we never want to hear from them again in our committee. Sometimes, we send them over to other committees as a warning.

We even have a wrap sheet of paying guests who we have decided to not cater to because of their shenanigans.

Controlling access is the only way to ensure everyone has a good time.


TRANSLATION: Kick Skippy to the curb?

he he he

 
andrewabc 2008-10-07 08:54:41 PM  
I just noticed.

Why in the Geek tab is there an ad at the top about the video tab?
The sponsor is vator.tv

Yet in the video tab section there is no vator ad at the top?
img368.imageshack.us

 
The NaSkAr [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:54:59 PM  
pudintain: Heya!

comeback!

 
tin_man [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:55:07 PM  
Roman Fyseek: tin_man: nothing will ever top that.

I was personally chewed out by a four star general when I was an E-3 for tying my yellow safety-strap into a bow-tie around my BDUs and then couldn't get it back off.

Nothing tops *that*.


I wasn't there to laugh at that, so it's all relative.

 
Starryeyes [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:56:10 PM  
I think Drew has me on ignore.

 
BalugaJoe 2008-10-07 08:56:17 PM  
I like Drew.

 
spidermann [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:56:56 PM  
Starryeyes: I think Drew has me on ignore.

We all do.

/not really

 
MIguy 2008-10-07 08:57:20 PM  
Eeek: Are you serious? It hasn't been, from day one.

In my travels, the puking pics are more frequent and always hang around a lot longer than the free cat picture if they even get deleted.

I'm going to ask again, why not give the users the power to vote for offensive pictures to be removed? I'm sure that the Weeners is going to be something about people abusing the power but I don't see that as being an issue. All you have to do is review the pictures that have been removed and if you find abuses, revoke those users rights to remove them. I've seen threads where offensive pictures have remained for hours, especially late at night.

 
el_dudarino [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:57:22 PM  
MissFeasance: uuddlrlrbastart: I think community voting is good, I do understand it is your site Drew. But, have you looked into other options? There are ways to go in the middle. Theres a site called bannanation or something that takes away peoples vowels. So if you mess up enough your posts look ridiculous. I am not saying steal that idea. I am saying instead of saying its my way or the highway, try to be open something new. I think it would be cool to see some changes here.

*facepalm*


*double facepalm*

 
andrewabc 2008-10-07 08:57:27 PM  
Actually the vator tv video ad isn't even shown on the video tab page. It is shown on the geek tab.

I presume a mistake?

 
Richard Pye 2008-10-07 08:57:32 PM  
spidermann: We all do.

/not really


Goddamnit, stop quoting her. I have her on ignore.

 
nemisonic 2008-10-07 08:58:07 PM  
I miss the old Fark.
Trolls and all.
Now everything is modded.
People are not as open or free with what they say.
Most of all I miss the Boobie threads.


lemortede, go to www.foobies.com

/it's NSFW!

 
Richard Pye 2008-10-07 08:58:22 PM  
el_dudarino: *facepalm*

*double facepalm*


*trpl fcplm*

 
el_dudarino [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:58:22 PM  
Anyone see starryeyes lately? I haven't seen her, or the pictures of her legs for a while.

 
Dumb-Ass-Monkey [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 08:58:35 PM  
I was quoted over at TheyDidn'tGetOverIt.com (not the real name)

i feel so dirty.

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:00:02 PM  
i59.photobucket.com

all you have to do is tell me "NO!"

 
The NaSkAr [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:00:23 PM  
Starryeyes: I think Drew has me on ignore.

DON'T STEAL MY THUNDER, WOMAN!

 
spidermann [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:00:28 PM  
Richard Pye: spidermann: We all do.

/not really

Goddamnit, stop quoting her. I have her on ignore.


The might as well add me next to her, just in case somewhere in the hallowed halls of Fark I might just quote her again.

 
technocrat 2008-10-07 09:00:49 PM  
So my new thing is just I'm going to post something irrelevant and spelled wrong at the end of every thread until an angry mob of grammar Nazis teaches me the proper use of a comma.

/I'm good
//love the fark
/// long time resident

 
moosen 2008-10-07 09:01:11 PM  
uuddlrlrbastart: I think community voting is good, I do understand it is your site Drew. But, have you looked into other options? There are ways to go in the middle. Theres a site called bannanation or something that takes away peoples vowels. So if you mess up enough your posts look ridiculous. I am not saying steal that idea. I am saying instead of saying its my way or the highway, try to be open something new. I think it would be cool to see some changes here.

i think it'd be fun to run the April Fools Day filters as form of punishment. Get on the shiat list and you get to talk goofy for a day or two.

 
The Voice of Doom 2008-10-07 09:02:16 PM  
moosen
on the topic of photoshop contests:
[..]
It would just be nice if the handicap (time-wise) was about as even as it used to be.


As someone who has been shopping as a liter a lot (though not recently):
I didn't notice that there were changes time-wise for TFers or liters.

This isn't by any chance another case of someone missing the post-redesign "Contests" link on the top of the page, is it?
Liters even get to see the contest titles now, so for theme contests you could start ahead if you don't think (or care) that some TFer already posted your idea.

 
exit 2008-10-07 09:03:49 PM  
MIguy: I'm going to ask again, why not give the users the power to vote for offensive pictures to be removed?

Because voting is totally ineffective and skewed in favor of rural populations. The electoral college always farks things up anyway.

 
el_dudarino [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:04:45 PM  
olddinosaur

wow, ballsy, but futile

 
Marla Singer's Laundry [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:06:16 PM  
Drew:

I don't see why so-called threadjacking is a problem. I mean, the other night I was drinking with my friend Becca and her b/f, both of whom are on the road to alcoholism. They got so loaded that they went into the other room to make love in full view of the other people at the gathering. They started arguing because he couldn't perform, having consumed most of a bottle of Goldschlagger(sic) in about two hours, by himself. They soon got dressed and started drinking more i ended up having to drive her home, and the crazy b---- starts touching herself right there in my car. In short, it was a fun night.

True story

 
Civil_War2_Time [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:06:16 PM  
I have no problems at all. People should keep their eyes open to the community they live and play in, and if there's enough of a groundswell that someone gets the boot, so be it. Boobies links are alone worth the TF sub.

 
Eeek [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:06:37 PM  
Well, MIguy, it's like this. There is no need for your voting idea because we have quite a bit of things in place to help the admins and mods deal with those things. I hate to say 'I'm not telling you what they are,' but here we are. I'm not telling you what we do in the back ground. This may be something that Drew may discuss, but I am not going to talk fark's business secrets with you right here right now. Of course, most of the secrets involve an old shoe Drew calls Bob and a piece of what I think is just silly string, but again, Drew calls magic. And we have to get all fruity Doug Henning and refer to it as magic or else he gets mad. Some things I will discuss with you here. Somethings I will not. But remember, sometimes you make the World of Magic.

 
cattheotherwhitemeat 2008-10-07 09:07:36 PM  
Oh Whammy, why won't you bring back Anon? So much less thought had to go into "I'm farking my sister."

 
MIguy 2008-10-07 09:08:31 PM  
Eeek: Well, MIguy, it's like this. There is no need for your voting idea because we have quite a bit of things in place to help the admins and mods deal with those things.

So you find it acceptable for an offensive picture to remain on the site for hours if it happens to be at a time when there isn't a mod around?

 
The Voice of Doom 2008-10-07 09:10:15 PM  
olddinosaur
when I said: "--if I never had to see another apple in my life, or never had to see another wetback, I know which I would choose---"

That jibe pissed off someone in the thread who defends the "right" of illegal immigrants


Nah, just some furriner-hatin' Apple fanboy.

 
lordargent 2008-10-07 09:10:15 PM  
Roman Fyseek: Over 20 lines? You mean like drew's bewbies in this thread? Or like this very post?

Do you count white space when figuring out how many lines of code were written? I bet you used to set the line spacing to 1.5 on all of your reports.

 
fireandashes36 2008-10-07 09:10:16 PM  
thepensivepoet: Alternatively : Go get me a beer and don't worry about man problems.

OMG welcome to my favorite list!

 
el_dudarino [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:10:45 PM  
MIguy: So you find it acceptable for an offensive picture to remain on the site for hours if it happens to be at a time when there isn't a mod around?

You're living up to your farky "Kind of an idiot"

That's been addressed.

 
Mr Miracle 2008-10-07 09:11:33 PM  
all moderators have a power thing going and they all suck
other than that they are okay

 
MIguy 2008-10-07 09:11:47 PM  
el_dudarino: You're living up to your farky "Kind of an idiot"

That's been addressed.


1. Go fark yourself.

2. No it hasn't.

 
tonguedepressor 2008-10-07 09:14:59 PM  
I wanna *hic* vote for the...uhhhh...thing being voted for here...*hic*

/got nothing but had to say it first.

 
el_dudarino [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:15:13 PM  
MIguy: el_dudarino: You're living up to your farky "Kind of an idiot"

That's been addressed.

1. Go fark yourself.

2. No it hasn't.


Yes it has. The mods are on a volunteer basis, and they cannot always be in every thread all the time.

I go back to the speeding analogy that has been brought up no less than three times.

Just because people get away with speeding does not make it right.

 
Paryb [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:16:45 PM  
Hey Drew, on a different note, do you think you could do me a favor, and cockpunch wil next time you see him, for tweeting that bird is the werd song?

 
MIguy 2008-10-07 09:17:16 PM  
el_dudarino: Yes it has. The mods are on a volunteer basis, and they cannot always be in every thread all the time.

So that means it's OK? I'm not always here to watch my 17 year old daughter so I guess it's OK if you fark her when I'm not around.

 
randomizetimer [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:17:20 PM  
Drew
Is it acceptable to threadjack in TFD?

 
Eeek [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:18:41 PM  
Again, I am not discussing what fark does. I will also not let you try and trap me into something you may have seen. It does happen. However, you are trying to make it seem like a weekly, if not a daily occurrence. That does not happen. It is extremely rare. Very, very rare. Again, I am on a slope I will not cross in discussing with you. I've given you an answer, you do not want to accept it, I cannot discuss it anymore. I do not understand why you are choosing to lock in on this, but hey. Pictures sometimes stay up longer than we like. In very rare cases. I guess what I am saying to you is that's it. You have Drew's explanation. You have mine. I am sorry I cannot give you what you want here.

 
Richard Pye 2008-10-07 09:19:09 PM  
MIguy: I'm not always here to watch my 17 year old daughter so I guess it's OK if you fark her when I'm not around.

You can fark her when I'm not around, so I think it's fair.

 
MIguy 2008-10-07 09:19:14 PM  
randomizetimer: Is it acceptable to threadjack in TFD?

The rules in TFD should be relaxed since we're paying for the content and the majority of people don't see what's going on. Foobies isn't an issue for advertisers but somebody is going to get their panties in a twist because of a parody thread?

 
It's_A_Farking_Secret 2008-10-07 09:20:43 PM  
That's plenty. You don't need to explain more than that. I like the house party analogy and people who don't need to go outside and bike more. Or get laid. Drink more beer. Something.

 
Deveyn [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:20:53 PM  
Eeek: Are you serious? It hasn't been, from day one.

It was deleted from a thread where I posted it and I was referred back to the FAQ regarding photos of dead animals not being allowed.

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:21:29 PM  
randomizetimer: Drew
Is it acceptable to threadjack in TFD?


Is that even possible?

 
Starryeyes [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:23:06 PM  
Drew: randomizetimer: Drew
Is it acceptable to threadjack in TFD?

Is that even possible?


i threadjacked a retardedly stupid TFD thread about a barfight into a conversation about cheddar cheese once.

 
tonguedepressor 2008-10-07 09:23:52 PM  
ok, I got something, I vote we stop bashing the ever living shiat outta the TSA seeing as it's my livelihood and all.

/Why do the admins hate "Murica anyway?
//Whaddya mean this isn't a Democratic forum?
///Whaddya mean slashies?

 
MIguy 2008-10-07 09:24:10 PM  
Eeek: I will also not let you try and trap me into something you may have seen. It does happen. However, you are trying to make it seem like a weekly, if not a daily occurrence.

I'm not trying to trap anybody. I'm voicing an opinion and what I have seen during my time on Fark. I don't think it's acceptable that offensive pictures last for an hour or more just because nobody is around to delete them. Does it happen daily? Maybe not. Does it happen weekly? Yes, it does and if Drew is keeping any kind of records on pictures that have been deleted, it would support my claim. Offensive pictures should be removed within minutes regardless of when they are posted.

 
Manta537 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:24:19 PM  
I would just like to see a Poop thread run its course. I don't ask for much. I like it here.

 
Mayostard [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:24:19 PM  
frenchcheesemuseum: And that is bad?

Just giving you shiat, for the sake of giving you... shiat.

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:24:35 PM  
Drew runs Fark. Drew likes boobies and beer. That's pretty much it.

 
tin_man [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:24:49 PM  
Drew: randomizetimer: Drew
Is it acceptable to threadjack in TFD?

Is that even possible?


That was always my biggest question. The whole Smackbottom thing was kind of stupid, and not particularly funny, until everybody started freaking out about it. They got in trouble for jacking a cafe thread. How do you jack a thread about random things? It remains a mystery.

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:25:35 PM  
Drew: Is that even possible?

As a matter of fact yes, I believe I have a threadjacking on my permafark record.

 
Manta537 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:25:48 PM  
leftyblonde: Drew runs Fark. Drew likes boobies and beer. That's pretty much it.

You forgot Squirrels with bug nuts.

 
Hyperbolic Hyperbole [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:26:47 PM  
I can't read 2000+ posts, so I don't know if this has been covered, but on occasion, it seems that there is what can only be described as a personal vendetta the mods have against certain TFers.

I don't really have a question about it. I thought I'd just put that out there because I don't know what to do with it.

 
H_is_for_Heretic 2008-10-07 09:26:49 PM  
MIguy: el_dudarino: Yes it has. The mods are on a volunteer basis, and they cannot always be in every thread all the time.

So that means it's OK? I'm not always here to watch my 17 year old daughter so I guess it's OK if you fark her when I'm not around.


What? Are you actually trolling here?

 
el_dudarino [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:27:53 PM  
MIguy: So that means it's OK? I'm not always here to watch my 17 year old daughter so I guess it's OK if you fark her when I'm not around.

NO FOR CHRIST SAKE

Did you even read the second half of my post you f*cking nit wit? Or do you not know what an analogy is?

 
Deveyn [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:28:25 PM  
el_dudarino: NO FOR CHRIST SAKE

I know, at least wait until she's 18.

 
The NaSkAr [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:29:06 PM  
randomizetimer: Drew
Is it acceptable to threadjack in TFD?


that's like thinking you can dip below the yellow line on the last lap and win the race at Talladega

 
MIguy 2008-10-07 09:29:24 PM  
H_is_for_Heretic: What? Are you actually trolling here?

Here's a perfect example of the crap that goes on around here. Some dude gives a lame ass analogy about running a red light and nobody notices. I do the same thing but change the variables and I'm labeled as a troll. It doesn't really matter when a Farker does it but when a mod does it, it's bullshiat and one of the biggest problems with the moderation here.

 
Atypical Person Reading Fark [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:30:13 PM  
Drew is able to compete with presidential candidates for national attention.

Way to go dude.

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:30:29 PM  
Hyperbolic Hyperbole: I can't read 2000+ posts, so I don't know if this has been covered, but on occasion, it seems that there is what can only be described as a personal vendetta the mods have against certain TFers.

I don't really have a question about it. I thought I'd just put that out there because I don't know what to do with it.


dealt with already

 
Richard Pye 2008-10-07 09:30:51 PM  
Atypical Person Reading Fark: Drew is able to compete with presidential candidates for national attention.

Way to go dude.


AW'ing at its finest.

 
Eeek [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:31:17 PM  
MIguy, man, I want to say this as nice as possible and not hurt your feelings or upset you, but you are 100% wrong. It's really quite that simple. There we go. They do not stay up that long. This is case closed. The end. I am not going to let you bash the site in the name of being polite. I am completely done with trying to have a discussion with you. I have really tired to explain it to you in terms I had hoped we could understand mutually, but it seems you are inflexible when it comes to open honest views. I am sorry I failed to paint this anymore clearer for you.

 
el_dudarino [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:32:45 PM  
MIguy: H_is_for_Heretic: What? Are you actually trolling here?

Here's a perfect example of the crap that goes on around here. Some dude gives a lame ass analogy about running a red light and nobody notices. I do the same thing but change the variables and I'm labeled as a troll. It doesn't really matter when a Farker does it but when a mod does it, it's bullshiat and one of the biggest problems with the moderation here.


You are in-farking-sane

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:33:12 PM  
Atypical Person Reading Fark: Drew is able to compete with presidential candidates for national attention.

Way to go dude.


I'm watching it but I think it's making me stupid

 
Paryb [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:34:27 PM  
Turn it on in spanish, then it's really amusing.

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:35:09 PM  
Paryb: Turn it on in spanish, then it's really amusing.

it probably makes more sense

 
MIguy 2008-10-07 09:35:33 PM  
Eeek: MIguy, man, I want to say this as nice as possible and not hurt your feelings or upset you, but you are 100% wrong. It's really quite that simple. There we go. They do not stay up that long. This is case closed. The end. I am not going to let you bash the site in the name of being polite. I am completely done with trying to have a discussion with you. I have really tired to explain it to you in terms I had hoped we could understand mutually, but it seems you are inflexible when it comes to open honest views. I am sorry I failed to paint this anymore clearer for you.

I must be wrong if you say so, right? I agree, you're so farking lost that it's not worth my time to even discuss this with you any further. I'm going to go check out some other threads now. Be sure to follow me and be ready to drop the ban hammer at the first sign of trouble even though you'll ignore much worse from others that you have a better relationship with.

 
Eeek [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:37:18 PM  
What?

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:37:38 PM  
Mayostard: Just giving you shiat, for the sake of giving you... shiat.

I wouldn't have it any other way - even though you came into MY TOWN for a visit and never even tried to visit.

Same thing for DREW and ALABAMAGIRL.

You guys sucked. I had to work that day, plus you'd have to dope me up to even get me into Seacrets on a bikini contest day.

 
GregoryD 2008-10-07 09:37:47 PM  
some people just don't know when its time to turn off the computer and go outside.

jeeze... chill man

 
Mayostard [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:37:58 PM  
MIguy: Here's a perfect example of the crap that goes on around here. Some dude gives a lame ass analogy about running a red light and nobody notices. I do the same thing but change the variables and I'm labeled as a troll. It doesn't really matter when a Farker does it but when a mod does it, it's bullshiat and one of the biggest problems with the moderation here.

I still have a chip on my shoulder about a mod being unfair, and the "no response" cop out of a response to my farkback, but being a dick just to be a dick, is kinda just... being a dick.


Eeek on of the last guys here that deserves this shiat.

Dick

 
The NaSkAr [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:38:22 PM  
oh man

 
Paryb [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:38:43 PM  
Drew: it probably makes more sense

The dude who they have translating for Obama sounds like a Chicano Mr. T.

 
Dumb-Ass-Monkey [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:38:55 PM  
Drew: randomizetimer: Drew
Is it acceptable to threadjack in TFD?

Is that even possible?


As I found out the hard way...

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:39:36 PM  
MIguy: Why is the "free cat" picture banned but people can post somebody puking?

I can't post puking pics. Maybe you get special treatment.

 
Mayostard [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:39:37 PM  
frenchcheesemuseum: I wouldn't have it any other way - even though you came into MY TOWN for a visit and never even tried to visit.

Sorry toots.
I'll be up your way in 3 weeks. I'll get a hold of you then.

 
Manta537 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:39:44 PM  
Maybe some of you should start a hug club. There could be a new tab just for that. Go in all pissed off, get your hug, relax, go on with your day.

 
Paryb [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:40:15 PM  
Login: MIguy
Fark account number: 386141
Account created: 2008-02-08 17:56:18

Dude, you haven't been around long enough to whine that hard.

 
Mayostard [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:40:51 PM  
Mayostard: Eeek on of the last guys here that deserves this shiat.

...and English is my first language.
You knew what I meant.

 
tin_man [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:41:02 PM  
MIguy: Eeek: MIguy, man, I want to say this as nice as possible and not hurt your feelings or upset you, but you are 100% wrong. It's really quite that simple. There we go. They do not stay up that long. This is case closed. The end. I am not going to let you bash the site in the name of being polite. I am completely done with trying to have a discussion with you. I have really tired to explain it to you in terms I had hoped we could understand mutually, but it seems you are inflexible when it comes to open honest views. I am sorry I failed to paint this anymore clearer for you.

I must be wrong if you say so, right? I agree, you're so farking lost that it's not worth my time to even discuss this with you any further. I'm going to go check out some other threads now. Be sure to follow me and be ready to drop the ban hammer at the first sign of trouble even though you'll ignore much worse from others that you have a better relationship with.


You sound like a crazy person.

 
Richard Pye 2008-10-07 09:41:50 PM  
tin_man: You sound like a crazy person.

He must be good in bed.

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:42:10 PM  
Drew: I'm watching it but I think it's making me stupid

I'm watching it too and I'm going to cry.

 
Hyperbolic Hyperbole [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:43:34 PM  
Drew: dealt with already

Okay, I'll look for it. I'd like to add that moderators have a great sense of humor most of the time, and that's all we can ask for.

 
Manta537 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:43:35 PM  
My vision for Fark is that our best days are ahead of us.

/probably shouldn't be watching the debate while posting.

 
MIguy 2008-10-07 09:43:41 PM  
Eeek: What?

Yeah, I'm still here so everybody can go ahead and ridicule me for not doing what I said I was going to do.

I offered what I see as a solution to the problem of offensive pictures being posted and you respond with nothing of any value. You didn't try to explain to me why my idea wouldn't work, why it was a bad idea or why it's already been considered and dismissed. You're not even willing to admit that there's anything wrong with the moderation around here. I'm sure you think you're doing a bang up job but apparently there's some issues or we wouldn't be having this discussion.

 
The NaSkAr [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:44:38 PM  
MIguy: Yeah, I'm still here so everybody can go ahead and ridicule me for not doing what I said I was going to do.

I offered what I see as a solution to the problem of offensive pictures being posted and you respond with nothing of any value. You didn't try to explain to me why my idea wouldn't work, why it was a bad idea or why it's already been considered and dismissed. You're not even willing to admit that there's anything wrong with the moderation around here. I'm sure you think you're doing a bang up job but apparently there's some issues or we wouldn't be having this discussion.


lay off the sauce man, this is a fight you can not win.

 
MIguy 2008-10-07 09:44:40 PM  
Paryb: Login: MIguy
Fark account number: 386141
Account created: 2008-02-08 17:56:18

Dude, you haven't been around long enough to whine that hard.


Everybody on Fark has only ever had one nic.

 
MIguy 2008-10-07 09:45:40 PM  
The NaSkAr: lay off the sauce man, this is a fight you can not win.

Do you feel you were treated fairly when you were permabanned? I seem to recall a nice little site that you set up complaining about your ban.

 
el_dudarino [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:45:52 PM  
MIguy: Yeah, I'm still here so everybody can go ahead and ridicule me for not doing what I said I was going to do.

I offered what I see as a solution to the problem of offensive pictures being posted and you respond with nothing of any value. You didn't try to explain to me why my idea wouldn't work, why it was a bad idea or why it's already been considered and dismissed. You're not even willing to admit that there's anything wrong with the moderation around here. I'm sure you think you're doing a bang up job but apparently there's some issues or we wouldn't be having this discussion.


Fark is not your personal therapy couch

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:46:00 PM  
Richard Pye: tin_man: You sound like a crazy person.

He must be good in bed.


Crazy in the head, crazy in the bed.

THIS MANTRA IS TRUE.

 
tin_man [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:46:50 PM  
The NaSkAr: lay off the sauce man, this is a fight you can not win.

An explanation was given, thoroughly, and it didn't suffice. That sounds like a stalemate to me.

 
JackAssHole [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:47:27 PM  
MIguy,

Welcome to my ignore list, dipshiat.

 
Manta537 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:48:01 PM  
MIguy: apparently there's some issues or we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Who's we?

 
Duke Snickerpussy Snackbottom of Farkingham 2008-10-07 09:48:03 PM  
MIguy: Everybody on Fark has only ever had one nic.

To hell you say!

 
MIguy 2008-10-07 09:48:25 PM  
JackAssHole: MIguy,

Welcome to my ignore list, dipshiat.


I'm hurt.

 
The NaSkAr [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:48:29 PM  
MIguy: Do you feel you were treated fairly when you were permabanned? I seem to recall a nice little site that you set up complaining about your ban.

I did? I said something without thinking twice and paid the price for it. Was I pissed? Sure. But I took it like a champ and sat in the penalty box for a while. These are friendly folks and I've met most of them. Just don't be a dick

 
H_is_for_Heretic 2008-10-07 09:49:47 PM  
MIguy: Eeek: What?

Yeah, I'm still here so everybody can go ahead and ridicule me for not doing what I said I was going to do.



You dropped rape into a conversation about naughty pictures and traffic violations. You didn't read up to see your questions had been answered. Questions that were retarded to begin with.

 
StokeyBob 2008-10-07 09:51:55 PM  
Speaking of lampshades, I once asked a friend at a party where he got that hat.? He told me off of the toilet.

It looked pretty cool on him. Like a big Barret.

I guess you had to be there.

 
The Voice of Doom 2008-10-07 09:55:45 PM  
Drew, open a new presidential debate thread.
Your site is crapping out.

 
Eeek [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:56:14 PM  
I'm going to try one more time. I think I can make this work. You go on the Coca-Cola tour. You tell the dude you have a better way of making Coke, but you'll need to see the secret recipe to do that. That new Coke is your suggestion; the secret recipe are the secrets behind fark. Then, you tell them well, maybe you can't make it better, but you still want to see the secret recipe. But they won't let you, because it's a secret. A secret! I am a keeper of some of Drew's secrets. I cannot tell you. It's like the Coke, dude. I am not trying to be rude in any way. I am not trying to be mean. I can't tell you. I was asked not to and I am a man of my word. Please, can't you see that? Let us have our 11 herbs and spices!

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:57:55 PM  
Great now I want chicken

 
Deveyn [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:58:04 PM  
Eeek: It's like the Coke, dude.


Don't worry, if you share some of his Coke we won't tell anyone.

I'll bring the hookers.

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:58:09 PM  
Duke Snickerpussy Snackbottom of Farkingham: MIguy: Everybody on Fark has only ever had one nic.

To hell you say!


what is a nic?

where can I get one?

 
im_beyond_help 2008-10-07 09:58:13 PM  
el_dudarino: Drew, I'm starting to get the feeling I am beyond help. Is this true?

Nope, I'm afraid that's my job.

 
Atypical Person Reading Fark [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:58:47 PM  
moosen: moosen:

Drew,

on the topic of photoshop contests:

I understand that the whole point of TF is allow privilege to those who want to pay a little for it. Back when Total Fark was a smaller circle, us liters had a decent shot of getting our foot in the door for the Photoshop contests, to have some relevant input and get noticed. TF has gotten so big, though, that by the time we even see the PS contests these days, they're already 50+ submissions deep. Photoshop contests are what got me hooked on Fark to begin with, but now it's kindof a Total-Farker-only party that we get to spectate.

I know people are going to tell me that i'm biatching or that's the point of TF. It would just be nice if the handicap (time-wise) was about as even as it used to be.

bumping this to see if anyone can give me some feedback.


I wish TF weren't quite so dominant, myself.

 
Manta537 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 09:59:08 PM  
Drew: Great now I want chicken

With a Coke?

 
exit 2008-10-07 10:00:14 PM  
I could totally go for a cold, frosty Coke right about now. Maybe I can get one from yardbarker.com.

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 10:00:44 PM  
Drew: Great now I want chicken

Come back to Ocean City - but have the Fark party here:i440.photobucket.com

Phooey on Seacrets.

 
Megain 2008-10-07 10:01:10 PM  
having had posts and/or pics deleted when i didn't think it was justified, all i have to say is this... i appreciate the moderation being done on fark. hell, when i first started lurking, and then joined, i thought it would be cool to be a mod. it didn't take me long to realize how much it would suck. i don't want the responsibilities that would come with it

but i will continue to use the notify mod/admin buttons as i see fit

/community activist
//not really, but i really do like how fark is moderated and want to help
///noob, so take it with a grain of salt

 
The NaSkAr [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 10:01:19 PM  
Drew: Great now I want chicken

double double from In N Out burger

 
el_dudarino [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 10:01:37 PM  
Drew: Great now I want chicken

That's racist

 
JackAssHole [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 10:03:36 PM  
Atypical Person Reading Fark: moosen: moosen:

Drew,

on the topic of photoshop contests:

I understand that the whole point of TF is allow privilege to those who want to pay a little for it. Back when Total Fark was a smaller circle, us liters had a decent shot of getting our foot in the door for the Photoshop contests, to have some relevant input and get noticed. TF has gotten so big, though, that by the time we even see the PS contests these days, they're already 50+ submissions deep. Photoshop contests are what got me hooked on Fark to begin with, but now it's kindof a Total-Farker-only party that we get to spectate.

I know people are going to tell me that i'm biatching or that's the point of TF. It would just be nice if the handicap (time-wise) was about as even as it used to be.

bumping this to see if anyone can give me some feedback.

I wish TF weren't quite so dominant, myself.


Other than sometimes having my idea already taken, I don't really care. For me it wasn't about how many votes I got, it was the challenge of the 'shop in the first place, especially since I'm an amateur. As long as someone gets a chuckle from what I did, it was worth it.

 
MIguy 2008-10-07 10:03:53 PM  
Enough biatching, I have a question. Instead of getting all my comments on one page, I'm getting them 50 to a page. My profile is set to show all on one page so what's the deal?

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 10:04:33 PM  
Drew: Great now I want chicken

Korean Fried Chicken?

i59.photobucket.com

 
Paryb [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 10:04:48 PM  
i167.photobucket.com

I'd like 4 fried chickens and a coke.

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 10:05:57 PM  
JackAssHole: As long as someone gets a chuckle from what I did, it was worth it.

I chuckled.

 
Drew Hates Boobies 2008-10-07 10:06:08 PM  
lemortede: I miss the old Fark.
Trolls and all.
Now everything is modded.
People are not as open or free with what they say.
Most of all I miss the Boobie threads.


This.

Fark used to be the deep end --- now it's the kiddy pool. Definitely not worth a fiver.

/I am honestly afraid that I'll be banned for saying this

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 10:07:08 PM  
Atypical Person Reading Fark: moosen: moosen:

Drew,

on the topic of photoshop contests:

I understand that the whole point of TF is allow privilege to those who want to pay a little for it. Back when Total Fark was a smaller circle, us liters had a decent shot of getting our foot in the door for the Photoshop contests, to have some relevant input and get noticed. TF has gotten so big, though, that by the time we even see the PS contests these days, they're already 50+ submissions deep. Photoshop contests are what got me hooked on Fark to begin with, but now it's kindof a Total-Farker-only party that we get to spectate.

I know people are going to tell me that i'm biatching or that's the point of TF. It would just be nice if the handicap (time-wise) was about as even as it used to be.

bumping this to see if anyone can give me some feedback.

I wish TF weren't quite so dominant, myself.


PS issues are a different topic for a different day

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 10:08:26 PM  
Megain:
but i will continue to use the notify mod/admin buttons as i see fit


Hell yeah keep at it

 
BlueMustangGrrrl [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 10:08:28 PM  
ok Drew, I'm obviously really late to this but the only thing I have a problem with is that sometimes moderation seems really inconsistent within one thread.

For example, posted a girls profile picture in a thread. He got banned and that post was deleted. Other people began going into OUR profiles and posting our profile pictures in the same thread. They did not get banned nor did those posts get taken out. So I guess what I'm really asking is this... Is revenge ok on the internet? Because it sure seems like it.

 
Poo_Fight 2008-10-07 10:08:51 PM  
Drew: Fark is a house party.


-And I totally rifled through your medicine cabinet.

/What the- Antifungal?

 
The NaSkAr [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 10:09:24 PM  
Drew: PS issues are a different topic for a different day

Off topic, Whatever happened to the idea of sponsored Fark parties? Chicago is the king of Fark parties. It'd be a good investment. Heh

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 10:09:48 PM  
MIguy: Enough biatching, I have a question. Instead of getting all my comments on one page, I'm getting them 50 to a page. My profile is set to show all on one page so what's the deal?

We just installed it today, when a thread goes over 800 comments or so pagination is enforced. Saves bandwidth, puppies, etc

 
BlueMustangGrrrl [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 10:10:12 PM  
BlueMustangGrrrl: ok Drew, I'm obviously really late to this but the only thing I have a problem with is that sometimes moderation seems really inconsistent within one thread.

For example, (My boyfriend who is a TFer) posted a girls profile picture in a thread. He got banned and that post was deleted. Other people began going into OUR profiles and posting our profile pictures in the same thread. They did not get banned nor did those posts get taken out. So I guess what I'm really asking is this... Is revenge ok on the internet? Because it sure seems like it.


Sorry, left that part out.

 
Lava Lamp Repairman 2008-10-07 10:11:24 PM  
leftyblonde: what is a nic?

www.pcplan-it.com

where can I get one?


Any computer shop can help you out . . .

 
zamboni 2008-10-07 10:11:34 PM  
Perhaps they need a good talking to, if you don't mind my saying so. Perhaps a bit more. My girls, sir, they didn't care for Fark at first. One of them actually stole a pack of matches, and tried to burn it down. But I "banninated" them sir. And when my wife tried to prevent me from doing my duty, I "banninated" her.

 
Sir Vanderhoot 2008-10-07 10:11:35 PM  
Drew: MIguy: Enough biatching, I have a question. Instead of getting all my comments on one page, I'm getting them 50 to a page. My profile is set to show all on one page so what's the deal?

We just installed it today, when a thread goes over 800 comments or so pagination is enforced. Saves bandwidth, puppies, etc


Really? I'm still getting mine at 1000 a page, but that's what I had it set at before.

 
MIguy 2008-10-07 10:12:02 PM  
Drew: We just installed it today, when a thread goes over 800 comments or so pagination is enforced. Saves bandwidth, puppies, etc

Ahhhhhhh interesting. The cool thing I just noticed is that the mobile site is now broken down the same way which is awesome.

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 10:12:09 PM  
BlueMustangGrrrl: ok Drew, I'm obviously really late to this but the only thing I have a problem with is that sometimes moderation seems really inconsistent within one thread.

For example, posted a girls profile picture in a thread. He got banned and that post was deleted. Other people began going into OUR profiles and posting our profile pictures in the same thread. They did not get banned nor did those posts get taken out. So I guess what I'm really asking is this... Is revenge ok on the internet? Because it sure seems like it.


Sounds like a case where mods went through and didn't come back later. It happens. The more people use the narc function for stuff like that the better

 
Hyperbolic Hyperbole [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 10:12:15 PM  
I'll say this:

Drew, there is nothing wrong with the way the site is moderated. The moderation of this site is much better than anywhere else, and you know it. You said yourself that most of the complaints stem from the fact that people don't know exactly how it is moderated. This can easily be solved with individual feedback - increased discussion regarding specific cases (which you may have handled already, in which case problem solved). I've said this other places, but your site provides a place like no other, and the proof is in the community. "Griefers" are everywhere on the internet, but not really here.

Some of the most ridiculous conversations I've ever had have been held here. I love it here.

/Drew rules

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 10:12:35 PM  
BlueMustangGrrrl: For example, posted a girls profile picture in a thread. He got banned and that post was deleted. Other people began going into OUR profiles and posting our profile pictures in the same thread. They did not get banned nor did those posts get taken out. So I guess what I'm really asking is this... Is revenge ok on the internet? Because it sure seems like it.

I relate. Some dude snagged a pic out of my profile and started posting it in threads (with really bad topics too), but never got banned even after I called him on it.

WTF?

I think though, the answer is going to be that just because you don't always get caught speeding, doesn't mean you aren't breaking the law or something like that.

 
The Voice of Doom 2008-10-07 10:12:48 PM  
MIguy
Instead of getting all my comments on one page, I'm getting them 50 to a page. My profile is set to show all on one page so what's the deal?

Some threads are special in that way, like the forums linked on the right.
You don't want the 170,000 comments of the PSAEF on one page..

I guess the blogs are a hack variant of the code powering those forum threads, i.e. if you don't have pagination enabled in your profile, you get some default pagination.

 
redoctober65 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 10:14:04 PM  
leftyblonde: what is a nic?

where can I get one?


NicsЯus

 
Manta537 [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 10:14:38 PM  
I would also like to see more endowed boobie links get green lighted. Some of those chicks are just too damn skinny.

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-07 10:14:45 PM  
Lava Lamp Repairman: Any computer shop can help you out . . .

*SMACK*

 
The Voice of Doom 2008-10-07 10:15:22 PM  
Drew
We just installed it today, when a thread goes over 800 comments or so pagination is enforced. Saves bandwidth, puppies, etc

Well, or that.

 
MIguy 2008-10-07 10:16:05 PM  
frenchcheesemuseum: I relate. Some dude snagged a pic out of my profile and started posting it in threads

Home schooled chick, is that you?

 
cattheotherwhitemeat 2008-10-07 10:16:12 PM  
I like all of the new crazy people who have come around, but I'll always have a special place in my heart for all the old crazy people.

 
BlueMustangGrrrl [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 10:16:27 PM  
Drew: Sounds like a case where mods went through and didn't come back later. It happens. The more people use the narc function for stuff like that the better

No, they were still in the thread because I later got banned in that thread for mentioning my boyfriend's ban after our profile pictures had been posted.

It's not a big deal that our pics got posted because if they are in your profile you want people to see them but the blatant inconsistency there bothered me.

 
Atypical Person Reading Fark [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 10:17:33 PM  
JackAssHole: Atypical Person Reading Fark: moosen: moosen:

Drew,

on the topic of photoshop contests:

I understand that the whole point of TF is allow privilege to those who want to pay a little for it. Back when Total Fark was a smaller circle, us liters had a decent shot of getting our foot in the door for the Photoshop contests, to have some relevant input and get noticed. TF has gotten so big, though, that by the time we even see the PS contests these days, they're already 50+ submissions deep. Photoshop contests are what got me hooked on Fark to begin with, but now it's kindof a Total-Farker-only party that we get to spectate.

I know people are going to tell me that i'm biatching or that's the point of TF. It would just be nice if the handicap (time-wise) was about as even as it used to be.

bumping this to see if anyone can give me some feedback.

I wish TF weren't quite so dominant, myself.

Other than sometimes having my idea already taken, I don't really care. For me it wasn't about how many votes I got, it was the challenge of the 'shop in the first place, especially since I'm an amateur. As long as someone gets a chuckle from what I did, it was worth it.


That's why it should be a time-flattened entry process - so that people who are creative and can submit first are the ones most seen (whether they pay the five dollars or not).

It also changes it from a TF perspective - it's understood that TFers get to those threads first, sometimes that sort of kills the buzz.

OTOH, sometimes I wish the liters could be banned from writing prose longer than, say, 50 lines.

 
randomizetimer [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 10:18:14 PM  
Drew,

Would you sell my a share or too of Fark.com stock?

Seriously. Maybe willing to pay $10,000 or so.

 
Paryb [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 10:19:12 PM  
Drew, seems like the mods don't hand out in TFD threads anymore, is that as your request, their good taste, or because we smell?

 
The Voice of Doom 2008-10-07 10:19:18 PM  
The Voice of Doom
Saves bandwidth, puppies, etc

Speaking of that, the techie in me is curios, especially since there was talk about Fark&performance in the PSAEF earlier today:

regarding large threads with lots of reloads (e.g. the presidential debate thread), is bandwidth the bigger issue or puppies load on the (database) servers?

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 10:19:19 PM  
BlueMustangGrrrl: Drew: Sounds like a case where mods went through and didn't come back later. It happens. The more people use the narc function for stuff like that the better

No, they were still in the thread because I later got banned in that thread for mentioning my boyfriend's ban after our profile pictures had been posted.

It's not a big deal that our pics got posted because if they are in your profile you want people to see them but the blatant inconsistency there bothered me.


Got me. I can't believe tho that it's as simple as a mod went in there, deleted one post for one thing, then left a whole bunch of similar ones up. I can think of a lot of inadvertant reasons for it but no intentional ones. Odds are there is some additional info that I'm not aware of. Occam's razor says they flat out missed it

 
Megain 2008-10-07 10:19:56 PM  
Drew: Megain:
but i will continue to use the notify mod/admin buttons as i see fit

Hell yeah keep at it


cool... i've wondered before if you guys ever get tired of me pointing out repeats. lol

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 10:20:28 PM  
randomizetimer: Drew,

Would you sell my a share or too of Fark.com stock?

Seriously. Maybe willing to pay $10,000 or so.


No, I'd rather not have any investors

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 10:21:09 PM  
Megain: Drew: Megain:
but i will continue to use the notify mod/admin buttons as i see fit

Hell yeah keep at it

cool... i've wondered before if you guys ever get tired of me pointing out repeats. lol


Never. We'd miss them otherwise.

 
BlueMustangGrrrl [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 10:22:09 PM  
Drew: Got me. I can't believe tho that it's as simple as a mod went in there, deleted one post for one thing, then left a whole bunch of similar ones up. I can think of a lot of inadvertant reasons for it but no intentional ones. Odds are there is some additional info that I'm not aware of. Occam's razor says they flat out missed it

I don't really care as I've almost had my fill of the site in general because of the ads on TF but it is things like that that bother me. Even though it's only five dollars a month I'm a customer and I expect a certain level of consistency in a product.

 
Dirtball [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 10:22:09 PM  
Drew: Got me. I can't believe tho that it's as simple as a mod went in there, deleted one post for one thing, then left a whole bunch of similar ones up. I can think of a lot of inadvertant reasons for it but no intentional ones. Odds are there is some additional info that I'm not aware of. Occam's razor says they flat out missed it

Here's what happened Drew (love ya man keep up the good work). I posted a profile pic of a girl who said she couldn't snag a man. All other TFers got hurt and called me a mean-mean poo-poo head. Someone narced it out. I caught a 24 hr ban. No biggie, it happens.

But then people went and pulled my profile pics and BMG's in revenge. "How do YOU like it?" stuff and no bans were handed out then. That's what's bogus.

 
quinblake 2008-10-07 10:22:13 PM  
MIguy: Why is the "free cat" picture banned but people can post somebody puking?

If the "free cat" picture is the epitome of "posting freedom", I know a place...

 
Atypical Person Reading Fark [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 10:23:14 PM  
Wait a second? So it's against the rules to post someone's publicly posted (on their profile) pic inside a thread?

Why? Since when?

Don't put it up if you don't want it to be public.

Snark is to be expected here. Your public photo plus snark = your hurt feelings? Then don't put up a pic.

 
The Voice of Doom 2008-10-07 10:23:45 PM  
FTFM:
The Voice of Doom
Drew
Saves bandwidth, puppies, etc

Speaking of that, the techie in me is curios, especially since there was talk about Fark&performance in the PSAEF earlier today:

regarding large threads with lots of reloads (e.g. the presidential debate thread), is bandwidth the bigger issue or puppies load on the (database) servers?

 
H_is_for_Heretic 2008-10-07 10:23:53 PM  
Piggy backing off MustangGrrrl- is it acceptable to post someone's profile pic? Is it the intent that matters? I did it to mock someone, and it wasn't pulled or addressed.

 
Dirtball [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 10:24:29 PM  
Atypical Person Reading Fark: Wait a second? So it's against the rules to post someone's publicly posted (on their profile) pic inside a thread?

Why? Since when?

Don't put it up if you don't want it to be public.

Snark is to be expected here. Your public photo plus snark = your hurt feelings? Then don't put up a pic.


AMEN. But, I caught a ban, cause it was oh noes!1!! mean

 
The Voice of Doom 2008-10-07 10:25:08 PM  
Atypical Person Reading Fark
Wait a second? So it's against the rules to post someone's publicly posted (on their profile) pic inside a thread?

Why? Since when?


I guess it falls under "calling other Farkers out in threads" or something.

 
Atypical Person Reading Fark [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 10:25:58 PM  
Dirtball: Atypical Person Reading Fark: Wait a second? So it's against the rules to post someone's publicly posted (on their profile) pic inside a thread?

Why? Since when?

Don't put it up if you don't want it to be public.

Snark is to be expected here. Your public photo plus snark = your hurt feelings? Then don't put up a pic.

AMEN. But, I caught a ban, cause it was oh noes!1!! mean


Drew should tell that particular mod to settle down. (I'll bet it's a girl).

 
MIguy 2008-10-07 10:26:25 PM  
quinblake: If the "free cat" picture is the epitome of "posting freedom", I know a place...

I have no problem with "free cat" being banned. What annoys me is the people that post pics of people puking or the "oh snap" pics with somebody horribly breaking their leg. Even one little glimpse of a pic like that ruins my entire night, that's why I was suggesting a better way of immediately removing them.

 
Hollywood Cole [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 10:26:29 PM  
Drew I have got a question that isn't on topic of moderation. Who is in charge of greenlights? I notice an assload of really thought provoking topics and links that would generate good discussion and plenty of traffic but they seem to get passed over in a mass red lightings. I realize whoever it is can't read every link, but it just seems kinda lazy.

 
Richard Pye 2008-10-07 10:26:35 PM  
Atypical Person Reading Fark: (I'll bet it's a girl)

I'm guessing frustrated internet white knight.

 
AntiNorm [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 10:26:50 PM  
Manta537: Maybe some of you should start a hug club.

topropehosting.com

 
Atypical Person Reading Fark [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 10:27:19 PM  
The Voice of Doom: Atypical Person Reading Fark
Wait a second? So it's against the rules to post someone's publicly posted (on their profile) pic inside a thread?

Why? Since when?

I guess it falls under "calling other Farkers out in threads" or something.


Wow. Well, I see why the gray line is an issue. The person is already in the the thread, their profile is already public - it's no different than quoting them.

We still get to quote people and poke fun at them, right?

Not that I do. I just enjoy spectating.

 
BlueMustangGrrrl [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 10:27:57 PM  
H_is_for_Heretic: Piggy backing off MustangGrrrl- is it acceptable to post someone's profile pic? Is it the intent that matters? I did it to mock someone, and it wasn't pulled or addressed.

Yeah, my feelings are that if you post a picture in your profile then you obviously want people to see it. Who cares? Besides, this girl was a total dog.

 
Atypical Person Reading Fark [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 10:30:08 PM  
Richard Pye: Atypical Person Reading Fark: (I'll bet it's a girl)

I'm guessing frustrated internet white knight.


Ah, better guess than mine - you're probably right. Makes real sense. (I was thinking like a girl there).

 
BlueMustangGrrrl [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 10:32:58 PM  
Atypical Person Reading Fark: (I was thinking like a girl there)

Girls are dumb. Don't you know that?

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 10:33:55 PM  
Dirtball: Drew: Got me. I can't believe tho that it's as simple as a mod went in there, deleted one post for one thing, then left a whole bunch of similar ones up. I can think of a lot of inadvertant reasons for it but no intentional ones. Odds are there is some additional info that I'm not aware of. Occam's razor says they flat out missed it

Here's what happened Drew (love ya man keep up the good work). I posted a profile pic of a girl who said she couldn't snag a man. All other TFers got hurt and called me a mean-mean poo-poo head. Someone narced it out. I caught a 24 hr ban. No biggie, it happens.

But then people went and pulled my profile pics and BMG's in revenge. "How do YOU like it?" stuff and no bans were handed out then. That's what's bogus.


Got me. I don't know what happened there, sounds like a colossal clusterfark on our end, one way or the other. My apologies

 
Dirtball [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 10:36:11 PM  
Drew: My apologies

No worries man. It was only a 24 hr, which to me says the mod was thinking that was too mean, here's a timeout. No biggie, I got a lot of errands done that day.

But, that brings up a good point. If you have pics in your profile, can I NOT grab them to post in threads? You already have them up publicly.

 
The Voice of Doom 2008-10-07 10:40:21 PM  
Dirtball
If you have pics in your profile, can I NOT grab them to post in threads? You already have them up publicly.

If you do, please hotlink them.

Muahahahaha

 
Sir Vanderhoot 2008-10-07 10:42:59 PM  
The Voice of Doom: Dirtball
If you have pics in your profile, can I NOT grab them to post in threads? You already have them up publicly.

If you do, please hotlink them.

Muahahahaha


Actually, hotlinking them would probably be better. If the person doesn't want them up any more, they have control over the situation. Re-hosting seems more like stealing and using them without permission.

/but that's just me

 
tuffsnake [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 10:43:15 PM  
Nixon: "How's the family Morbo?"
Morbo: "Boobligerant and numerous"
Nixon: "Good, good... Nixon is pro boobies and pro family"

 
BlueMustangGrrrl [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 10:43:29 PM  
Drew: Got me. I don't know what happened there, sounds like a colossal clusterfark on our end, one way or the other. My apologies

Like I said, it's not a big deal to us because we don't get all butt-hurt over some website unlike other people but you should be aware that there are situations where moderation IS inconsistent within one thread.

I've been lurking here since 2001 and posting here since 2002 and on TF for most of that, I've seen the evolution of the site and experienced the changes. I did enjoy the old TF a lot but the new TF is fun too for entirely different reasons. Moderating a website like this is hard especially on TotalFark where the line is not obvious at all.

Overall I've been a very satisfied customer but there is always room for improvement.

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 10:44:28 PM  
Dirtball: Drew: My apologies

No worries man. It was only a 24 hr, which to me says the mod was thinking that was too mean, here's a timeout. No biggie, I got a lot of errands done that day.

But, that brings up a good point. If you have pics in your profile, can I NOT grab them to post in threads? You already have them up publicly.


I think it's probably more of an issue of what's done with them

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 10:45:09 PM  
BlueMustangGrrrl: Drew: Got me. I don't know what happened there, sounds like a colossal clusterfark on our end, one way or the other. My apologies

Like I said, it's not a big deal to us because we don't get all butt-hurt over some website unlike other people but you should be aware that there are situations where moderation IS inconsistent within one thread.

I've been lurking here since 2001 and posting here since 2002 and on TF for most of that, I've seen the evolution of the site and experienced the changes. I did enjoy the old TF a lot but the new TF is fun too for entirely different reasons. Moderating a website like this is hard especially on TotalFark where the line is not obvious at all.

Overall I've been a very satisfied customer but there is always room for improvement.


Always.

 
quinblake 2008-10-07 10:45:34 PM  
MIguy: quinblake: If the "free cat" picture is the epitome of "posting freedom", I know a place...

I have no problem with "free cat" being banned. What annoys me is the people that post pics of people puking or the "oh snap" pics with somebody horribly breaking their leg. Even one little glimpse of a pic like that ruins my entire night, that's why I was suggesting a better way of immediately removing them.


The internet: full of scary pictures.

 
Richard Pye 2008-10-07 10:46:09 PM  
quinblake: The internet: full of scary pictures.

Don't forget the .gifs

 
Dirtball [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 10:46:59 PM  
Drew: I think it's probably more of an issue of what's done with them

DON'T TAKE AWAY MY FUN

 
BlueMustangGrrrl [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 10:50:40 PM  
Dirtball: Drew: I think it's probably more of an issue of what's done with them

DON'T TAKE AWAY MY FUN


Seriously, PLEASE DON'T TAKE AWAY HIS FUN. (That's my job.)

 
LOGICAL_PSYCHO 2008-10-07 10:51:29 PM  
Wait a minute.......
ALL dead animal pics are banned? Seriously?

ummmm Drew can you go to the moose thread and delete my post on there? or clarify?
I really didn't know.

 
The Voice of Doom 2008-10-07 10:52:00 PM  
Sir Vanderhoot
Actually, hotlinking them would probably be better. If the person doesn't want them up any more, they have control

Yes, I was actually serious about that hotlinking bit.

the evil laugh referred to...possibilities arising from that

 
The NaSkAr [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 10:54:27 PM  
BlueMustangGrrrl: Seriously, PLEASE DON'T TAKE AWAY HIS FUN. (That's my job.)

SUCCUBUS

 
Bhasayate 2008-10-07 10:55:26 PM  
INHO, threadjacking is way too subjective. It's like a "disturbing the peace." Cops will use to arrest you if you annoy them. I think some mods act like that. And, hello, every post on here is disturbing the peace, and sometimes it's just like the mods wanna hit you with the ban stick.

I got banned once, for threadjacking, I think, and I wasn't being all that naughty. I don't get the "don't do this ever stuff" -- like posting pedo-porn or whatever. And trolling, and posting off topic. These things are so subjective. There is a difference between clowning around and being a total ass. I don't think farkers get that...

One expects a certain degree of inconsistency, but it's difficult to avoid having mods turn into control monkeys.

As usual, late to the party ...

/two cents
/you can has them

 
BlueMustangGrrrl [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 10:56:24 PM  
The NaSkAr: SUCCUBUS

JEALOUS

 
Bhasayate 2008-10-07 10:57:16 PM  
Bhasayate: I don't get the "don't do this ever stuff" -- like posting pedo-porn or whatever.

WHOOOPS ... i meant I DO get that stuff. SORRY!!! I totally understand not posting pedo-porn ...

problem with the negative there

/facepalm

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 10:58:10 PM  
Dirtball: But, that brings up a good point. If you have pics in your profile, can I NOT grab them to post in threads? You already have them up publicly.

hazy area. i had a pic in my profile that I pulled out. Someone posted it in a thread months later - in a thread asking about the creepiest pic you've ever seen.

I wasn't even in the thread, I was alerted by a friend. WTF is that shiat. No that is not cool.

 
spidermann [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 11:01:14 PM  
frenchcheesemuseum: Dirtball: But, that brings up a good point. If you have pics in your profile, can I NOT grab them to post in threads? You already have them up publicly.

hazy area. i had a pic in my profile that I pulled out. Someone posted it in a thread months later - in a thread asking about the creepiest pic you've ever seen.

I wasn't even in the thread, I was alerted by a friend. WTF is that shiat. No that is not cool.


wouldn't that be considered "calling someone out"?

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 11:02:54 PM  
Bhasayate: INHO, threadjacking is way too subjective. It's like a "disturbing the peace." Cops will use to arrest you if you annoy them. I think some mods act like that. And, hello, every post on here is disturbing the peace, and sometimes it's just like the mods wanna hit you with the ban stick.

I got banned once, for threadjacking, I think, and I wasn't being all that naughty. I don't get the "don't do this ever stuff" -- like posting pedo-porn or whatever. And trolling, and posting off topic. These things are so subjective. There is a difference between clowning around and being a total ass. I don't think farkers get that...

One expects a certain degree of inconsistency, but it's difficult to avoid having mods turn into control monkeys.

As usual, late to the party ...

/two cents
/you can has them


If you ever see this happening email me and I'll take care of it

 
BlueMustangGrrrl [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 11:06:20 PM  
Drew, thanks for taking time out of your day for dealing with internet drama. It was interesting and somewhat informative.

 
Paryb [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 11:08:01 PM  
yeah thanks Drew. Really consider giving Wil a cockpunch for the bird bird bird is the word song.

Also who won the debate?

 
randomizetimer [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 11:09:51 PM  
Paryb: yeah thanks Drew. Really consider giving Wil a cockpunch for the bird bird bird is the word song.

Also who won the debate?


America lost the debate.

Thanks for your time Drew!

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 11:09:56 PM  
Np everyone.

No idea who won the debate. I think we all lost

 
make me some tea [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 11:10:57 PM  
Paryb: yeah thanks Drew. Really consider giving Wil a cockpunch for the bird bird bird is the word song.

Also who won the debate?


Seriously, thanks. All of our concerns weren't addressed here, but I'm looking forward to the next one.

Also, McFifenstein won the debate, didn't you get the memo?

 
Atypical Person Reading Fark [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 11:11:37 PM  
BlueMustangGrrrl: Atypical Person Reading Fark: (I was thinking like a girl there)

Girls are dumb. Don't you know that?


I did know that, but I forgetted it.

 
rssvss [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 11:11:42 PM  
Drew: Np everyone.

No idea who won the debate. I think we all lost


Tom Brokejaw, He got the last word...

 
doyner [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 11:12:16 PM  
Drew--Thanks for this thread. I'm looking forward to the next installments.

Great house party, BTW. Sorry if I've ever dropped a deuce in your john without lighting a match.

 
BlueMustangGrrrl [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 11:12:19 PM  
Drew: I think we all lost

I'm pretty sure whoever wins this election we will all lose.

 
BlueMustangGrrrl [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 11:12:56 PM  
Atypical Person Reading Fark: I did know that, but I forgetted it.

DUMB

 
The NaSkAr [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 11:13:39 PM  
BlueMustangGrrrl: JEALOUS

VERY

 
make me some tea [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 11:13:59 PM  
Drew: No idea who won the debate. I think we all lost

No matter who gets elected, we're headed for a huge bowl of fail. I'm convinced of that.

 
BlueMustangGrrrl [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 11:15:53 PM  
The NaSkAr: VERY

:-P

make me some tea: No matter who gets elected, we're headed for a huge bowl of fail. I'm convinced of that.

I believe we subscribe to the same newsletter.

 
ultraholland [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 11:16:22 PM  
Drew: We're looking at splitting out PS and farktography mods into separate groups. Some of the problems seem to stem from the fact that some moderators understand the minutae of the contests and others don't. We'll take that out of the equation and see how it goes

That's interesting and I'm curious how it works out, but I've never really had any problems with farktography or PS moderating. I was talking more about general threads and posting pics that may be considered partial nudity/adult content/etc. where there really is no overly-adult material. I could show specific examples, shrug my shoulders and exclaim "Come on!" but now I feel like I just want to complain.

 
Bruce Campbell Said So 2008-10-07 11:17:03 PM  
Drew: GoGoGo: i take issue with the concept of 'thread-jacking'

discussion is meant to be alive...
if people choose to respond to any post....let them.
if they dont, then fine.
people shouldnt have to justify a relation to a topic.
perhaps the idea or basis of the post was simply inspired by the 'topic' but is distant in terms of relevance.

big deal.
let the thread jackers jack

if it was limitted to the flow of normal conversation, your suggestion would work. The rules are built around the issue of dealing with people who intentionally attempt to derail the normal flow of conversation.


Why that's what our troll spray is for.

 
rssvss [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 11:17:14 PM  
Hey congress i need a $10,000 bail out!!

I want to go to the Bahamas...

 
make me some tea [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 11:18:33 PM  
BlueMustangGrrrl: The NaSkAr: VERY

:-P

make me some tea: No matter who gets elected, we're headed for a huge bowl of fail. I'm convinced of that.

I believe we subscribe to the same newsletter.


National Review? *highfive*

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 11:21:09 PM  
ultraholland: Drew: We're looking at splitting out PS and farktography mods into separate groups. Some of the problems seem to stem from the fact that some moderators understand the minutae of the contests and others don't. We'll take that out of the equation and see how it goes

That's interesting and I'm curious how it works out, but I've never really had any problems with farktography or PS moderating. I was talking more about general threads and posting pics that may be considered partial nudity/adult content/etc. where there really is no overly-adult material. I could show specific examples, shrug my shoulders and exclaim "Come on!" but now I feel like I just want to complain.


Ah ok. That's coming up as well, got a quick one on boobies threads and the self-perpetuating issues thereof

 
Tjack 2008-10-07 11:23:42 PM  
I didn't realize there was a problem.
Which means your moderators are doing a fine job. Not a job I'd want, unless the pay was good.
The fringe element always wants to take center stage, even when they don't deserve it.
Fark is still my homepage, for a reason. I come here for news, humor, and honest commentary. I take it all with a grain of salt and I am happy somebody more sober than me deletes all the comments from people I don't want to listen to, anyway.
Sometimes I go to 4chan. Fark isn't 4chan, and that is good.

 
AntiNorm [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 11:24:18 PM  
The one thing I don't understand about the Farktography moderating is why they're so adamant about saying "PLEASE READ THE F**ST P*ST!" in the headline. It's easy enough to mentally skip over that, but still...Photoshop threads don't do that, nor do any other threads, so why do the Farktography threads need that?

 
DoctorCal [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 11:29:09 PM  
Why so serious?

 
basemetal [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 11:30:39 PM  
Drew, Can I still post cleavage pics in political threads submitted to TFD?

 
Paryb [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 11:31:58 PM  
Heh, I was about to ask about basemetal

Please don't close comments on this thread, I'm going to beat that damn leftyblonde if it kills me.

 
CastorPimp 2008-10-07 11:32:51 PM  
never answered my questions, you still rock. bring back boobies to the main page. kthxbai

/someone send me a pic of leftyblonde

 
rssvss [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 11:34:38 PM  
Paryb: Heh, I was about to ask about basemetal

Please don't close comments on this thread, I'm going to beat that damn leftyblonde if it kills me.


I see wut ur doing there....

 
basemetal [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 11:35:51 PM  
CastorPimp: /someone send me a pic of leftyblonde

She's so hot that it is said liters spontaneously combust upon viewing her picture.

 
Roman Fyseek [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 11:36:43 PM  
Ugh. This is why we don't have nice things.

 
cretinbob [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 11:37:45 PM  
Runs a bit long, maybe rambles a bit. Sorry see what happens when you give me time to think:


I have six hours of a timeout left, which I think is good, because I can sit
here and come up with a well thought out post, which doesn't always happen
here.

Let me start by saying that I've seen lately some really interesting
moderating. I got another timeout a few days ago because I complemented
someones entry and the mod thought I was off topic/thread jacking. My guess is
that they are young and culturally ignorant and had no clue as to what I was
talking about and didn't know what the person I was complimenting was talking
about. I think a 24 hour timeout was completely bogus and unnecessary in that
case. I did get an apology for that, several days later, but I didn't get the
24 hours back.
I've gotten a time out for a rickroll, and sure, I think that is a good
punishment.
My current timeout is for posting a pic of Wendy O Williams in a thread about
Amy Whinehouse. It was topical, it came from GIS with safe search on, and it's
one of the safest pics there is of her, and probably the one you think of when
I mention her name, if you know who I'm talking about. People asked about her
(Yes, she committed suicide in 1998) like they had remembered a long lost
friend. It was not posted in a sexual context. I was not looking for pics and
came across that one and said "Hehe boobies" and posted it. That timeout was
for partial nudity/nudity/nsfw. Well, first of all, it's nudity or it's not,
just like you aren't kinda pregnant, especially in this day and age. There is
stuff on the Disney Channel that is more revealing. And second, the image could
be found as I stated, with safe search enabled. To me, and I think to a lot of
people that would count as SFW. I think deleting the image would have been
appropriate if it really was that bad, but the timeout, not so much.

There was another image (motivational poster) that was pulled an I received
a time out for that I had seen on fark before, I didn't really question it at
the time, again, no nudity but iffy so I wasn't going to push the point too
much.

These timeouts have also been within the past month. The first four years I
think I had one.

So I guess I would have to say that I see an inconsistency in what mods think
is OK and what isn't. Maybe there is a new mod?


Oh yeah, here's my boobies (new window).

I think lessthanhumans cartoon would get him a time out if he posted it today.

In farktography threads, which are probably a different moderating group
altogether, I've had images pulled for violating the extremely ambiguous topic,
and for breaking the farq rules, and have seen people with excruciatingly similar
content ( but are more .... popular?) not be deleted. I'm not going to dwell on
that much because I do believe that is a different group, but I may be wrong.

The house party concept of fark is what I love about it. The thread the other
day with the Obama= McCain= meme, that was great. That to me was what fark once
was, everybody participating and having a great time. Yes there were a couple
of whiners, but those people don't tend to stick around as long because they
don't get the sense of humor that the core of fark has.

I just got back from a class, so sorry if I seem to switch gears here.

Wow pages! that's new. Awesome...


Where was I?...

Oh yeah. Been over the posts being moderated...interestingly...So next thing to
address is the quality of the stories and headlines that get green lit. They
have become downright pathetic. Headlines that have little to do with articles,
Articles that clearly aren't being read by admins to see if they might contain
the picture or concept or elephant that is mentioned in said headline. And
people aren't posting because of this, other than "Subby is a dumb ass". (Yes I
am painfully aware I am probably the number one offender for that). Right now
there is a headline on the main page that has had 20 posts since 7:00PM eastern
time YESTERDAY. so in 28 hours....Ah you do the math.
I'm sure that most of the stuff being submitted has to do with McCain, Palin,
Obama and the economy right now. Pickens may be Slim. But that's not an excuse
to dump garbage on us. (I'll address total fark at the end)

So the quality of what we are given to work with is suffering, but I don't
know is that is us or the mods. I will say I have seen a decrease in the number
of repeat green lights lately. That was a whooooole different issue that I don't
think I need to address.

Lately I have noticed a new tone is some posters, and people (some of you I do
consider my friends....Ah jeez I'm lonely)...people who know me and pay
attention to me may have noticed I've been calling fark the new /b/ lately. I
do see that tone, maybe because I've recently been going there again. I found
both places at about the same time but found the ....relative maturity and
certainly higher intellect of fark, I stuck with fark and brushed /b/ aside.
But again recently I do see some of those elements sneaking in. Perhaps they
are the dark side you (Drew) refer to. They should be moderated out. I don't
think that those of us who have been here for a long time should be made to pay
the penalty because of them.

Yes, I sometimes can become extremely snarky and downright nasty. For me fark
has been a place ( and I think others will agree) that I can come to and
express myself in a way that I can not in the real world. If I were to say
"John McCain is a complete moron and a senile old man and anyone who would vote
for him is an idiot" I'd probably really and physically get my ass beat by some
dumb redneck. Here i can say that, and the worse I'd get is on Skookums list.

OK, I've started drinking and it's hitting me in the head now and I wanted to
keep this as rational as I could, so let me sum it up for the tl;dr crowd.

1) Moderation is inconsistent. Penalties are too harsh for some things. Clarify
either with the mods of with the farkers the conduct expected. Arbitrary and
ambiguous is no way to go through life.

2) Quality green light=quality post. If we are given garbage, we will
regurgitate it.

3) Wow, all that and I only made two points? I suck.

I don't consider moderation censorship, it's editing. I am pushing 40 so my
life experience and the resulting views on it are different, as Drew mentioned.
But a good editor knows what should be cut and what shouldn't. and I'm
guessing, especially as of late, that I am being edited by 20 year olds with
little cultural perspective. I also suspect, that due to the fact that this
came up, I'm not alone. Duh.

Thanks for reading, and putting up with me. Yeah, I do play a real jerk
sometimes, and sometimes I just am a real jerk. Everyone is, even the Dalai
Lama.

So why do I not have a totalfark account. Thanks to and a big thanks to,
DJ_Bigbird, I did for a month. I'm sure some people remember that. I was all
over like a bad rash. And I would be still. I have been contemplating a
totalfark account now especially because of the upcoming election. But again,
if you people are annoyed with me now, how would you like it if I were always
in your boobies? I don't have a totalfark, because I respect you, the farking
farkers.

Of course by tomorrow that may change.............


Thanks again, I'm feeling the beer and rambling, got 7 minutes left. Time to
edit, spell check and post.

 
I_C_Weener [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 11:39:17 PM  
Drew: No, I'd rather not have any investors

Oh, I think there are enough people emotionally invested as it is.

Paryb: Please don't close comments on this thread, I'm going to beat that damn leftyblonde if it kills me.

Reported for threatening violence on a fellow farker...ette.

 
CastorPimp 2008-10-07 11:41:15 PM  
basemetal: CastorPimp: /someone send me a pic of leftyblonde

She's so hot that it is said liters spontaneously combust upon viewing her picture.


I had a good run...

 
Paryb [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 11:41:23 PM  
You aren't nearly as clever and world wise as you think you are friend. And I read the whole damn thing.

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 11:45:41 PM  
I'm out folks. Take care

 
I_C_Weener [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 11:46:44 PM  
Drew: I'm out folks. Take care

Thanks for the thread.

P.S. Thanks for that year of free TF. Don't worry, I won't tell anyone about that though.

 
Paryb [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 11:46:50 PM  
Well...bye!

Thanks again

 
hogans 2008-10-07 11:47:17 PM  
Doctor Funkenstein: If you hotlink a pic, Jeff will come touch you while you sleep.

What do I need to do to have gwinny come touch me while I sleep? She could then sing a nice lullaby about lobster magnets to make me drowsy again...

 
Huskadoodle [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 11:47:44 PM  
Drew: For some reason or other it always says the sub is recurring. Been meaning to fix that. Worst case tho just cancel the sub, it'll last til end of term and won't recur

I think that explains why I was sponsored for so long.

 
ultraholland [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 11:47:51 PM  
Drew: I'm out folks.

You heard it here first: Drew's come out!

 
rssvss [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 11:48:00 PM  
cretinbob: Runs a bit long..(christ write a book)..Ah you do the math.


Read it... Liked the movie version better...

 
basemetal [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 11:48:18 PM  
So I take that as a yes?

 
bessyglass [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 11:50:13 PM  
Last Post...too soon?

 
Paryb [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 11:51:19 PM  
Way too soon bessy you have no idea how to ruin fark.

 
basemetal [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 11:54:32 PM  
Paryb: Way too soon bessy you have no idea how to ruin fark.

That's funny. I like checking these epic threads just to see who wins.

 
doyner [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 11:55:52 PM  
LP?

 
bessyglass [TotalFark] 2008-10-07 11:56:32 PM  
Paryb: Way too soon bessy you have no idea how to ruin fark.

You do it your way, I'll do it mine.

 
JSTACAT 2008-10-07 11:59:36 PM  
Thanks Drew, I was attracted to this site because of the ease to post pics...
& save 100's of words typed with 2 fingers. Can use site with no cookies or java ++++WIN!
when i do allow them, theyre simple & clean
Thanks for opening this up...
I wonder if super Deluxe could be used for hash outs...
hmmm, i think a lot of folks would fall for that... video hashing-out.
the perfect place to AW
Maybe a Fark court tv... people get addicted to those shows...

//super deluxe seems to be an orphan...
but it could be the next U-tube

i have a request....
can we post really short sound bites with an always off/ on switch?
hehe that would be a trip...like scratch ^ sniff for the ears

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-08 12:04:51 AM  
Paryb: Heh, I was about to ask about basemetal

Please don't close comments on this thread, I'm going to beat that damn leftyblonde if it kills me.


CastorPimp: never answered my questions, you still rock. bring back boobies to the main page. kthxbai

/someone send me a pic of leftyblonde


rssvss: Paryb: Heh, I was about to ask about basemetal

Please don't close comments on this thread, I'm going to beat that damn leftyblonde if it kills me.

I see wut ur doing there....


basemetal: CastorPimp: /someone send me a pic of leftyblonde

She's so hot that it is said liters spontaneously combust upon viewing her picture.


CastorPimp: basemetal: CastorPimp: /someone send me a pic of leftyblonde

She's so hot that it is said liters spontaneously combust upon viewing her picture.

I had a good run...


you guys aren't going to let me sleep tonight.

 
cretinbob [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 12:06:33 AM  
at80eighty: In a community of over 4.3 million individuals

the hell? visits a day?


That's just me

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-08 12:08:04 AM  
I_C_Weener: Drew: No, I'd rather not have any investors

Oh, I think there are enough people emotionally invested as it is.

Paryb: Please don't close comments on this thread, I'm going to beat that damn leftyblonde if it kills me.

Reported for threatening violence on a fellow farker...ette.


he will never beat me ever again!

 
fireandashes36 2008-10-08 12:08:34 AM  
in for pic of leftyblonde

 
cretinbob [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 12:08:45 AM  
nicoffeine: Shadow Blasko: namegoeshere: Meh, it's fine the way it is.

Account Created 2007-09-11 20:27:00


Get off my lawn.

I agree with namegoeshere.

Account number pissing contest! WEEEEEE!


2004-01-04 22:03:41

 
c-tas 2008-10-08 12:09:05 AM  
Okay...I'm a LITTLE slow, how would one know if they were banned?

 
Paryb [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 12:09:28 AM  
i30.photobucket.com

We've got tonight, who needs tomorrow...

 
Raydr 2008-10-08 12:09:31 AM  
I skimmed the first page of this thread and to be honest don't care to add much more than this:

I was a TF subscriber for quite some time until the "you'll get over it" comment. I vowed then to let my subscription expire and never renew - and that's exactly what I did.

I've been a Farker since 2002. After a few disgusting incidents this and last year I've really mostly lost interest in participating on the site.

I still come daily to pick out some interesting articles, I submit every once in a while, and post maybe once every couple of weeks now.

My point? I'm not sure I really have one...I'm really just one member out of a huge number - but I am one individual that you will never see a TF dollar (or an advertising dollar, because I have advertised a couple of times on the site as well) from again.

Well, maybe I shouldn't say "never", but it'll be a very, very long time before I get that warm and fuzzy feeling again.

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-08 12:10:02 AM  
fireandashes36: in for pic of leftyblonde

i59.photobucket.com


happy now?

 
fireandashes36 2008-10-08 12:10:23 AM  
c-tas: Okay...I'm a LITTLE slow, how would one know if they were banned?

in theory if you are shadow banned, you wouldn't. You might notice when nobody ever responds to you,however, maybe you just aren't interesting.

 
Paryb [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 12:11:17 AM  
Raydr: My point? I'm not sure I really have one...I'm really just one member out of a huge number - but I am one individual that you will never see a TF dollar (or an advertising dollar, because I have advertised a couple of times on the site as well) from again.

But you show up the day that Drew posts this thread?

weird.

 
ultraholland [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 12:11:54 AM  
c-tas: Okay...I'm a LITTLE slow, how would one know if they were banned?

Well if you can log in, post and get a response, you may assume you're not banned. I guess you could just ask in a thread, "Hey people, am I banned?" and wait.

 
basemetal [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 12:12:31 AM  
Paryb: Raydr: My point? I'm not sure I really have one...I'm really just one member out of a huge number - but I am one individual that you will never see a TF dollar (or an advertising dollar, because I have advertised a couple of times on the site as well) from again.

But you show up the day that Drew posts this thread?

weird.


Heh heh heh heh.

 
cretinbob [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 12:13:34 AM  
mrtron: Let me add one more thought - the more boobies the better.

Evidence below.


Perfect example. Why is this pic still here? This is as NSFW as what I just got timed out for.

\\no offence mrtron

 
Atypical Person Reading Fark [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 12:13:40 AM  
Paryb: Raydr: My point? I'm not sure I really have one...I'm really just one member out of a huge number - but I am one individual that you will never see a TF dollar (or an advertising dollar, because I have advertised a couple of times on the site as well) from again.

But you show up the day that Drew posts this thread?

weird.


He said he checks the site daily for articles.

 
JSTACAT 2008-10-08 12:13:43 AM  
i confess, i would luv to see some of these Farkers who get so excited act out their arguments on S/D
heck, i'd fire up the linux box & give it my best monitor to see that.
it would be epic stuf i'm sure.
moderating that would also be such 'fun'

 
bessyglass [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 12:14:27 AM  
I didn't see anyone get butthurt about Caturday here.

 
Raydr 2008-10-08 12:15:02 AM  
Raydr: I still come daily to pick out some interesting articles

Paryb: But you show up the day that Drew posts this thread?

Reading Comprehension?

 
c-tas 2008-10-08 12:15:40 AM  
fireandashes36: c-tas: Okay...I'm a LITTLE slow, how would one know if they were banned?

in theory if you are shadow banned, you wouldn't. You might notice when nobody ever responds to you,however, maybe you just aren't interesting.


I don't always stay to see (if anyone responds), but am narcissistic enough to think that this must be aimed at me, so all I really want to know is, would I get an email if I was banned. (and maybe you didn't get the slow part, but I don't even know what shadow banned is)

p.s. thanks for responding

 
EddieWearsUnderoos 2008-10-08 12:16:20 AM  
Wow, people really don't have better things to do...

 
Raydr 2008-10-08 12:17:51 AM  
BTW, I should add the disclaimer that I'm really nobody. So I spent a few hundred dollars advertising, had TF for a few months and also sponsored a person or two.

I wasn't trying to make myself to be a big deal - losing me is losing a drop of water from a 50,000 gal tank; I was just venting.

 
c-tas 2008-10-08 12:18:37 AM  
ultraholland: c-tas: Okay...I'm a LITTLE slow, how would one know if they were banned?

Well if you can log in, post and get a response, you may assume you're not banned. I guess you could just ask in a thread, "Hey people, am I banned?" and wait.


thanks for clearing that up for me....guess I'm not banned, just stoopid.

and your answer is cracking me up.

 
smells_like_meat [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 12:18:53 AM  
4 million users. I thought I was special. Guess not. Lurking from now on.

Stupid and dumb am I.

Thanks for straightening me out Drew.

/love and kisses

 
cretinbob [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 12:19:25 AM  
frenchcheesemuseum: OH GIVE IT UP FOLKS, EVERY ONE OF YOU KNOW WHY YOU WERE BANNED OR TIMED OUT.

all caps and bold, should get timed out.

 
fireandashes36 2008-10-08 12:19:49 AM  
leftyblonde: fireandashes36: in for pic of leftyblonde



happy now?


well...I am happier...not happiest.

 
basemetal [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 12:20:38 AM  
cretinbob: frenchcheesemuseum: OH GIVE IT UP FOLKS, EVERY ONE OF YOU KNOW WHY YOU WERE BANNED OR TIMED OUT.

all caps and bold, should get timed out.


Don't mess with fcm, you'll regret it. She has many fanboys.

 
skiptomyloop [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 12:22:26 AM  
So this is still going eh?

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-08 12:23:02 AM  
i59.photobucket.com

 
cretinbob [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 12:23:50 AM  
ElleDriver: I agree with the folks that want ALTs banned, they are trolls most of the time.

My wife has recently joined fark, probably to keep an eye on me and make sure I don't meet any redheaded teenagers (18+ only), and we go through a router, so banning alts based on IPs is a bad idea. They should be known alts like....ahh I can't remember now, the sauce is really kicking in. You guys now...Maybe it was Skookum who got caught.

 
smells_like_meat [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 12:24:28 AM  
Got it.

Just lurking from now on.

Same money for Drew. Thanks for the entertainment.

Stupid old guy signing off.

 
Guy_Fawkes_FTW 2008-10-08 12:25:21 AM  
slightly random but. . .can someone show me what the old fark looked like?

 
cretinbob [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 12:26:25 AM  
IdahoPrime: also, boobs

NSFW, delete and time out


\\see what happens when I miss a thread that holds my interest

 
cretinbob [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 12:27:25 AM  
basemetal: IdahoPrime: also, boobs

NSFW, delete and time out

\\I love this new format

 
Paryb [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 12:29:11 AM  
Guy_Fawkes_FTW: slightly random but. . .can someone show me what the old fark looked like?

wayback machine dude.

 
ultraholland [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 12:29:30 AM  
cretinbob: (18+ only)

riiiigt


Guy_Fawkes_FTW: slightly random but. . .can someone show me what the old fark looked like?

It would look terrifying if you're used to this format. I remember when the new design was introduced...there was fear. So much fear. And it was so cold.

 
Paryb [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 12:31:10 AM  
or just look at the archives.

 
cretinbob [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 12:34:28 AM  
c-tas: Okay...I'm a LITTLE slow, how would one know if they were banned?

If you can't post. The posting box thingy disappears and a nun with a ruler appears and tells you you've been bad and to go sit in the corner for 24 hours or however long the nun says.

 
cretinbob [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 12:36:58 AM  
Guy_Fawkes_FTW: slightly random but. . .can someone show me what the old fark looked like?

Yes (new window)

A lot of links are dead, but you still get to the main page.

 
skiptomyloop [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 12:37:05 AM  
Guy_Fawkes_FTW: slightly random but. . .can someone show me what the old fark looked like?

i288.photobucket.com

 
moulding god 2008-10-08 12:38:15 AM  
Raydr: BTW, I should add the disclaimer that I'm really nobody. So I spent a few hundred dollars advertising, had TF for a few months and also sponsored a person or two.

I wasn't trying to make myself to be a big deal - losing me is losing a drop of water from a 50,000 gal tank; I was just venting.


Still, how many sites do you look at currently that you also frequented in 2002?
Aside from local news/online radio, this is it for me.

 
c-tas 2008-10-08 12:38:54 AM  
I'm taking that I'm fine. But thanks everyone who answered and didn't rub it in my face how much of a ret. I am.

Love UltraHollands cats though. (sorry, I always check the bio's of those who reply to me)

 
RancidOne 2008-10-08 12:45:53 AM  
Wow, I've been here 6 years as a poster, and several before that. I've never had a problem with Mods, but what a troll is defined as is interesting to me. Sometimes I only have time to shoot through the topics and post a comment here or there and then leave (I have a life, LOL).
I always make them on topic, but if someone calls me on it, I'm not around to reply. Does that make me a troll? That must P.O. some people, but such is life is suppose.

 
skiptomyloop [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 12:47:45 AM  
RancidOne: Wow, I've been here 6 years as a poster, and several before that. I've never had a problem with Mods, but what a troll is defined as is interesting to me. Sometimes I only have time to shoot through the topics and post a comment here or there and then leave (I have a life, LOL).
I always make them on topic, but if someone calls me on it, I'm not around to reply. Does that make me a troll? That must P.O. some people, but such is life is suppose.


shut up troll


/jk

 
RancidOne 2008-10-08 12:49:31 AM  
skiptomyloop: RancidOne: Wow, I've been here 6 years as a poster, and several before that. I've never had a problem with Mods, but what a troll is defined as is interesting to me. Sometimes I only have time to shoot through the topics and post a comment here or there and then leave (I have a life, LOL).
I always make them on topic, but if someone calls me on it, I'm not around to reply. Does that make me a troll? That must P.O. some people, but such is life is suppose.

shut up troll


/jk


HA-ha. Got a laugh out of me, really.

 
Occam'sLadySchick [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 12:51:31 AM  
Raydr: Well, maybe I shouldn't say "never",

you big tease!

 
cretinbob [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 12:54:38 AM  
BArtusio: What about self-moderation?
If fark users were given the ability to delete their own posts, users could retract posts they later find inappropriate.


this

There are times I really wish for it

 
Outtaphase [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 12:55:32 AM  
Great thread, I wish the power didn't go out right after it went up:(

On the confusing points of moderation: I know I like this place, it's like no other. Keep it up, whatever you guys do.

I do get confused when something like the "free cat" pic is verbotten. It is distant and non-grotesque. I'm an animal lover, but me and my dark sense of humor "get it".

I don't think I'll ever get used to the "space shuttle blows up" headline meme; I get it but it sort of offends me.

Then I see people complain that "handstand-bikini-attention-whore-barbi" is deemed NSFW, but I get that too. She's hot, but I wouldn't want to unexpectedly explain that to anyone looking over my shoulder.

I like the "welcome to my house, enjoy yourself, we assume you can figure things out or be shown the door" style.

Bottom line - if you dig 99% of the people & mood of the place, you've come to the right one. If you can't seem to get along, I'm sure there's a party for you up the road.

 
cretinbob [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 01:04:05 AM  
Owangotang: If you are basing your decision to not sign up for TotalFark on 1 incident with a moderator then you are a moron, plain and simple. Mistakes happen, at least this is one place willing to talk them out. Stop being emo and just tell the truth, you don't want to pay $5.

I don't want to pay $5 because I'm a tightwad and I didn't really see anything worth it.Also I would be the centipedes in farks vagina.


\\Ahh jeez is that going to get me another time out?

\\\That's a joke, not trouble making.

\\after another beer or three I might finish up my original post.....

 
cretinbob [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 01:05:41 AM  
CastorPimp: NimbleWalrus: Some have suggested that we create a darker section of Fark and just leave it alone altogether (with warnings when you were about to cross over).

So, UltraFark?

it's called 4chan


you sir are an winrar

 
cretinbob [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 01:09:02 AM  
HunterNIU: Drew:
Probably the singlemost thing that brings the mods in is the totalfark narc feature. Consider the ramifications.

Speaking of that is the narc feature not just for TF anymore???

[narc]
because my TF account expired, and I can't renew it until next pay day, and I still have the narc feature... at least in this thread.


[/narc]


Not everyone has the narc feature?

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-08 01:12:17 AM  
don't you people ever shut up?

 
cretinbob [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 01:13:36 AM  
el_dudarino: serial_crusher: My best guess is that I was bozoed for posting a questionably-sfw picture (or worse, maybe I hotlinked and somebody gootse'd me)? Anyhow, far as I know I was a first-time offender, so kind of surprised a bozoing was in order.

I got banned once when I first started. They Swedish Chef filtered me for an hour or so, then stopped me from posting outright.

I thought it was funny, though I was irritated


Swedish chef filtering sounds awesome. Do that for 24 hours for minor infractions (the "partial" nudity) instead of a full on 24 hour ban.

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-08 01:13:46 AM  
leftyblonde: don't you people dumbass farkers ever shut up?

/FTFM

 
skiptomyloop [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 01:13:51 AM  
cretinbob: Also I would be the centipedes in farks vagina.

i288.photobucket.com

 
skiptomyloop [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 01:15:26 AM  
leftyblonde: leftyblonde: don't you people dumbass farkers ever shut up?

no :P

 
jaylectricity [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 01:17:56 AM  
LAST POST!

 
randomizetimer [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 01:20:04 AM  
jaylectricity: LAST POST!

don't think so, not yours.

 
cretinbob [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 01:20:44 AM  
leftyblonde: don't you people ever shut up?

No, especially me after drinkering 24 or 30r beers

 
ultraholland [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 01:21:34 AM  
c-tas: Love UltraHollands cats though.

It's always the cats and never me

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-08 01:22:15 AM  
SCREW YOU GUYS, I'M GOING TO BED!!!

 
cretinbob [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 01:22:29 AM  
I'm out. of this thread.


\\RP can be fun.

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-08 01:24:31 AM  
i59.photobucket.com

 
jaylectricity [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 01:27:43 AM  
I read way too much of that.

 
Dragynwing [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 01:38:48 AM  
needs moar poop threads.

 
MsInterpreted 2008-10-08 01:55:30 AM  
Raydr: Well, maybe I shouldn't say "never", but it'll be a very, very long time before I get that warm and fuzzy feeling again.

When that happens, you'll know you are finally over it.

 
cretinbob [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 01:59:35 AM  
I just went back to the thread that I got the time out for yesterday. My post is back. My faith in fark.com is restored.

Long Live Drew

 
Abstruse [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 02:22:57 AM  
Well hell, I miss all the fun don't I?

For the record: One thing you might want to keep in mind about the "It's okay for so-and-so but so-and-so gets banned!" is the context.

I didn't receive a ban for this, just the post deleted. I had two threads open in different tabs. One was about atheist billboards going up in some random city and was your typical atheists vs. fundamentalists clusterfark thread. The other was something about fluffy kitties and pretty clouds or something. I posted the Zombie Last Supper picture stating "Here's a billboard I want to see!"

I posted it in the fluffy kitty thread accidentally.

I immediately posted an "Oops!" post in the fluffy kitty thread, then posted the exact same image in the religious thread. The picture in the fluffy kitty thread got deleted for "graphic image", but was left up for the religious thread. If you GIS for "Zombie Last Supper", you'll see the picture (possibly NSFW for graphic violence). It IS a "graphic image", but it's also a great piece of art.

Now, should the post have been deleted? Obviously in the fluffy kitty thread. It was graphic and completely out of place. In the religious thread? Crapshoot. It's on-topic for the thread and it is graphic, but it's not THAT graphic in that it's not a photograph or anything. It's just a painting. It could stay up or it could get tossed.

So yeah...blah blah common sense blah.

 
colatf 2008-10-08 02:26:21 AM  
I think TFers should get new paper hats, or there should at least be a link to apage that will tell us how to make these "paper hats" for ourselves. Then you'd pass a guy in the street with a paper hat, and you could point and wink, and they could point and wink back, and then skinheads could beat you up. It'd be awesome.

 
c-tas 2008-10-08 02:35:30 AM  
ultraholland: c-tas: Love UltraHollands cats though.

It's always the cats and never me


See my comment for article one above.

(sorry, I'm fresh out of love for humans...just animals, plants, spirits and the sky)

 
cretinbob [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 03:06:36 AM  
Abstruse: Well hell, I miss all the fun don't I?
.........................................
So yeah...blah blah common sense blah.


Gee I can't imagine why anyone would take issue with that?

REally, I think that is less graphic than some of the exploding head animated gifs that seem to be OK. Context is absolutely key and there is a ... want to be careful how I phrase this...level of maturity and cultural....mmm perspective...maybe perspective isn't the right word... that a moderator, any moderator any where, not just fark, should posess. A knee jerk reactionary is a poor choice for a moderator. I think that is what we have seen recently.


BTW I like this one better

www.myconfinedspace.com

click for full size (SFW)

 
Occam'sLadySchick [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 04:07:01 AM  
colatf: I think TFers should get new paper hats, or there should at least be a link to apage that will tell us how to make these "paper hats" for ourselves. Then you'd pass a guy in the street with a paper hat, and you could point and wink, and they could point and wink back, and then skinheads could beat you up. It'd be awesome.

bumper stickers would be way more effective. road rage and all, ya' know. 'spechelly in texas.

 
The Laughing Kookaburra 2008-10-08 04:23:59 AM  
DNRTFA

 
sheumack 2008-10-08 04:25:18 AM  
Barnacles!:
img291.imageshack.us

Is that top one the famous "2 girls, one cup"?

 
Scifientologist 2008-10-08 04:35:31 AM  
We work under the assumption that in the larger world of the Internet, there is a certain small percentage of people who exist solely to sow chaos and disorder, either intentionally or unintentionally. It doesn't take many individuals like this to take down an entire community. Some of you have probably witnessed this firsthand on other sites. Part of the reason that Fark's community works so well is that we take steps to remove these people from it.

Dammit, Drew blew my cover.

/a little chaos is healthy, really, it only hurts the first time

 
Occam'sLadySchick [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 04:38:05 AM  
Richard Pye: Drew is definitely Bevets.

be wily as a serpent, but as gentle as a dove.

 
thegonz111 2008-10-08 04:39:33 AM  
Drew: baked beans: I would like to address the alt issue.....

The last I knew, Drew does have an alt and several people know the name..... he posted it several years ago.

For the record, I don't have an alt. I dislike drama, and net drama makes even less sense to me.


BS. HE'S BEVETS!

 
pedobearapproved [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 04:57:44 AM  
Drew: Paryb: Turn it on in spanish, then it's really amusing.

it probably makes more sense


reported for threadjacking!!!

/just kidding
//but seriously if you watch it in Spanish you have to drink everytime they say a word that can't be directly translated
///Maverick

 
Occam'sLadySchick [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 05:19:59 AM  
thegonz111: Drew:

can haz as many alts as he wants. he owns the thing dangit.

/i'm no hacker, but i play one on tv.

 
Asterix 2008-10-08 05:30:01 AM  
Meh.

Fark evolved. It has to make money from Adverts now. With that comes the "Sponsor Arse Kissing" factor.

I tried TotalFark the first year it came out. Not for me. Too many duplicate posts, lots of crap to wade through.

After about a week it hit me. Why the hell should I bother when there are moderators to weed out shiatty links ? Also, I Dunno about the the super deluxe strategy, but the fail pics were pretty funny in themselves.

However, I mainly wanted to post in agreement with a previous poster:


" I think a DarkFark derivative would be an Excellent idea "


Then you would be talking Blue Ocean. Less Censorship, exposure to new advertising frontiers and extra ad space... much like the tabs you have now... who knows.

While there is now a real need to address the concerns of your primary Fark revenue stream (Adverts ? I don't know whether Totalfark is generating relevant numbers yet)I sincerely miss the days when censorship was extremely minimum at best.

Just a few thoughts. But oh well.

I ain't shiat here. I have no links approved cause some intrepid farker usually got there before me, I do not have totalfark and I have firefox, so my fark page is pretty clean.

 
CastorPimp 2008-10-08 07:33:55 AM  
leftyblonde: fireandashes36: in for pic of leftyblonde



happy now?


I came

 
xanadian [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 07:49:28 AM  
Drew: tiggerfan: absoluteparanoia: Drew: I'm going to take whatever the final version is and make a big ass FAQ out of it

Could you please make an ADD version of this?

1. Don't do anything here you wouldn't do in front of your parents or your priest.
2. If you are going to violate rule #1, do it less then once every 6 months, unless it is a spectacular violation, then do it less then once a year.

Nailed it


I donno...both my mother AND my priest are some pretty crazy people. I get away with a lot.

 
professorkowalski [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 07:51:39 AM  
peeks in the window.

 
Richard Saunders 2008-10-08 07:56:36 AM  
Drew Fark is a house party.

Want some wiskey in your water,
Sugar in your tea.
What's all these crazy questions you asking me.
This is the craziest party that could ever be.
Don't turn on the lights cause I don't want to see.

/three dogs

 
xanadian [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 07:57:58 AM  
saulecker: MissFeasance: Exactly.

i253.photobucket.com


OMG what thread was that??

 
xanadian [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 08:27:33 AM  
Drew: The NaSkAr: MIguy: Haven't you been permabanned?

yes.

I was just hoping Drew would say something like "Sure then go fark yourself"

Go fark yourself


Thank you and good night. Don't forget to tip your waitress!!

 
xanadian [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 08:30:57 AM  
Drew: randomizetimer: Drew
Is it acceptable to threadjack in TFD?

Is that even possible?


Two words, Drew: Poop Thread.

Yes, it's possible. :P

 
xanadian [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 08:33:52 AM  
Drew: Occam's razor says they flat out missed it

When someone's shaving instrument starts talking to you and telling you things, it's time to go see a shrink.

Just sayin'

 
greighwolf 2008-10-08 08:46:25 AM  
Along with drinking beer ... drink whiskey, rum and scotch!

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 08:48:00 AM  
Looked into a couple of the issues with mod inconsistency earlier, I think I found it.

One of the things moderators do is clean out what we call the narc queue. It's a listing of all the narced comments that have stacked up since the last time the queue was emptied.

Odds are what happened in both cases is moderators never actually entered the threads in question. There was one or a few narcs in the queue that got cleared out and that was it.

This brings up a couple issues on our end. One of which is TF threads for the most part should be left alone. The other is context, which a few folks have mentioned above. We'll work on that. I'm not 100% sure what the solution is offhand but we'll see what we come up with.

FYI

 
cwolf20 [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 08:51:22 AM  
Drew
ADD people can skip this (and probably will). It's more for the OCDers


in my case, adhd. Read the blog part, but I'm searching out your name and any responses to your posts, while ignoring the rest. Too many posts to go through. heh

 
cwolf20 [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 08:56:13 AM  
personally, (unless I've missed something) I think a faq with clear examples of what a troll is would be good. I know I've been one on occasion though for the life of me I still can't figure out how. the comments I made still make sense to me, yet they were considered trolling. 99 percent of the time I haven't been called one however.

 
Pinko_Commie 2008-10-08 08:56:41 AM  
Slackfumasta: FASCIST!

/i kid, i kid

I got a 24 hour timeout once for mentioning a certain girl...She Who Shall Not Be Named!


Meh, I got a 36 hour one for posting a picture of a duck.

Mind you I was extremly drunk, it was early morning (10am) and I was at wokk, and posted it in pretty much every single thread I could lay my hands on (which was a hell of a lot because I got a free TF sponsorship out of the first couple).

/Amusingly, that picture cannot be posted any more, there's some sort of md5 or somthing filter on it, you can change the name and host it elsewhere, but it still get filtered.
//Quack.

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 08:58:02 AM  
cwolf20: personally, (unless I've missed something) I think a faq with clear examples of what a troll is would be good. I know I've been one on occasion though for the life of me I still can't figure out how. the comments I made still make sense to me, yet they were considered trolling. 99 percent of the time I haven't been called one however.

I know exactly what the problem is. Gonna deal with that in a future post. The main issue is context and tone. Sometimes we can't tell if someone's kidding or not

 
vagina 2008-10-08 09:10:15 AM  
img384.imageshack.us


hai guise wat's goin on ?

 
rhyx [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 09:22:20 AM  
Morning everyone.

 
bessyglass [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 09:23:52 AM  
I just want you to know I spilled my coffee this morning. It hurts and I had to go home to change clothes. Is anyone to blame? Maybe

 
xanadian [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 09:26:41 AM  
Drew: I know exactly what the problem is. Gonna deal with that in a future post. The main issue is context and tone. Sometimes we can't tell if someone's kidding or not

That's a general netiquette problem, anyway. Facial expressions, body language, etc, cannot be easily translated into the written word. At least, as far as posts/emails/etc go...

 
xanadian [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 09:29:16 AM  
Pinko_Commie: Meh, I got a 36 hour one for posting a picture of a duck.

Mind you I was extremly drunk, it was early morning (10am) and I was at wokk, and posted it in pretty much every single thread I could lay my hands on (which was a hell of a lot because I got a free TF sponsorship out of the first couple).

/Amusingly, that picture cannot be posted any more, there's some sort of md5 or somthing filter on it, you can change the name and host it elsewhere, but it still get filtered.
//Quack.



Holy crap, I remember that. I remember everyone was all "WTF".

Good times...good times...

/also...is it me, or am I getting pop-ups while Farking? I got 2 on this thread, but only in the past 10 mins...

 
skiptomyloop [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 09:33:26 AM  
bessyglass: I just want you to know I spilled my coffee this morning. It hurts and I had to go home to change clothes. Is anyone to blame? Maybe

reported for trolling

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 09:43:14 AM  
cretinbob: all caps and bold, should get timed out.

ORLY. Do you have the banhammer in your hand ready to let it drop?

No?

I DIDN'T THINK SO MISTER.

That is the problem here. Everybody thinks that the things that offend them should be bannable offenses.

LIGHTEN UP FOLKS, ITS A GOD DAMNED INTERNET FORUM. MAYBE YOU ALL NEED TO STEP OUTSIDE AND ENJOY SOME FRESH AIR.

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-08 09:47:22 AM  
frenchcheesemuseum: LIGHTEN UP FOLKS, ITS A GOD DAMNED INTERNET FORUM. MAYBE YOU ALL NEED TO STEP OUTSIDE AND ENJOY SOME FRESH AIR.

this!!!

 
Jack's raging bile duct 2008-10-08 09:49:07 AM  
Hiymenator: So Fark is a house party?

Time to put the lampshade on and dance inappropriately with a married woman while her husband rounds up a posse to beat my ass out back.


If it's going to be that kind of party, I'ma stick my dick in the mashed potatoes!

 
blessthe40oz 2008-10-08 09:50:24 AM  
last post

 
basemetal [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 09:53:46 AM  
frenchcheesemuseum: cretinbob: all caps and bold, should get timed out.

ORLY. Do you have the banhammer in your hand ready to let it drop?

No?

I DIDN'T THINK SO MISTER.

That is the problem here. Everybody thinks that the things that offend them should be bannable offenses.

LIGHTEN UP FOLKS, ITS A GOD DAMNED INTERNET FORUM. MAYBE YOU ALL NEED TO STEP OUTSIDE AND ENJOY SOME FRESH AIR.


I told him not to fark with you. Now he has unleashed the fury.

On a side note, I love a good LP knock down drag out, fun to watch.

 
xanadian [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 09:57:00 AM  
Jack's raging bile duct: If it's going to be that kind of party, I'ma stick my dick in the mashed potatoes!

And Imma gonna go fire mah lazor.

 
xanadian [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 09:58:18 AM  
basemetal: On a side note, I love a good LP knock down drag out, fun to watch.

Just be careful. This is Drew's thread. He could EASILY post with "Last Post" and close the thread.

Then who will be laughing? Huh? HUH?? Where is your God now!??

 
cwolf20 [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 10:01:52 AM  
Glad that issue will be clarified. *grin* (now that I'm caught up on all the posts in here, i can start working. I've been on the clock for an hour now)

 
Quick1 2008-10-08 10:03:14 AM  
Hay guise, what's goin on in this thread?

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-08 10:04:43 AM  
We all know who will get the LAST POST!!!

 
basemetal [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 10:06:04 AM  
xanadian: basemetal: On a side note, I love a good LP knock down drag out, fun to watch.

Just be careful. This is Drew's thread. He could EASILY post with "Last Post" and close the thread.

Then who will be laughing? Huh? HUH?? Where is your God now!??


I don't want to play, I like to watch. I always thought " whats with this LP shiat," until I went back to one of these epics and saw the funny stuff at the end. So if Drew wants LP, I don't care.

 
xanadian [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 10:09:04 AM  
basemetal: xanadian: basemetal: On a side note, I love a good LP knock down drag out, fun to watch.

Just be careful. This is Drew's thread. He could EASILY post with "Last Post" and close the thread.

Then who will be laughing? Huh? HUH?? Where is your God now!??

I don't want to play, I like to watch. I always thought " whats with this LP shiat," until I went back to one of these epics and saw the funny stuff at the end. So if Drew wants LP, I don't care.


Oh I understand. I enjoy them too. That was more directed to those who are always trying to get "last post." ;)

That would be pretty epic, though...

 
skiptomyloop [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 10:17:01 AM  
leftyblonde: We all know who will get the LAST POST!!!

why yes we do

 
jaylectricity [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 10:19:16 AM  
i106.photobucket.com

 
The NaSkAr [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 10:24:30 AM  
knock it off with the last post nonsense, that should be only reserved for TFD

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-08 10:27:46 AM  
The NaSkAr: knock it off with the last post nonsense, that should be only reserved for TFD

YOU AIN'T THE BOSS OF ME!!!i59.photobucket.com

 
Paryb [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 10:28:39 AM  
You ain't the boss of me neither! Mornin sweet cheeks.

 
dstanley 2008-10-08 10:29:03 AM  
Drew, ever thought about sharing the contents of your inbox? I'm sure there's some comedy gold in there.

 
The NaSkAr [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 10:29:36 AM  
leftyblonde: YOU AIN'T THE BOSS OF ME!!!i59.photobucket.com

you're just like Barnacles! only with more glitter. I'm gonna have to get Dutchie on the case.

 
chadnt 2008-10-08 10:41:59 AM  
Drew: Boobies issues are coming up in the misconceptions section

I will stay tuned...

/Same bat-time? Same bat-channel?

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-08 10:55:58 AM  
The NaSkAr: you're just like Barnacles! only with more glitter. I'm gonna have to get Dutchie on the case.

Why you gotta be such a meanie?

I added you to my list!

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-08 10:57:14 AM  
Paryb: You ain't the boss of me neither! Mornin sweet cheeks.

Are you talkin' to me or him?

 
baked beans 2008-10-08 10:59:15 AM  
leftyblonde: We all know who will get the LAST POST!!!

I do believe I got the last one several days ago....

bwahahahahahahahahahaha

 
Paryb [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 11:01:33 AM  
leftyblonde: Are you talkin' to me or him?

Whichever makes your boat float

baked beans: I do believe I got the last one several days ago....

Damn thing is, I had it before it got reopened.

 
FelineMommy27 [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-08 11:03:34 AM  
Drew, I just wanted to say, though I've had my share of minor complaints, I couldn't think of a better site to waste so many hours of my day on. Not trying to suck up or anything, but there's overall a lot of good people here, if you look past the douchebags and AWs. You've got a good thing going on here and I, for one, appreciate it.

Just wanted to let you know.

 
fireandashes36 2008-10-08 11:03:43 AM  
Is this the thread where everybody is kinda hanging out, acting cordial, and secretly just hoping to get a LAST POST in?

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-08 11:05:22 AM  
fireandashes36: Is this the thread where everybody is kinda hanging out, acting cordial, and secretly just hoping to get a LAST POST in?

maybe.

 
xanadian [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 11:05:59 AM  
FelineMommy27: Drew, I just wanted to say, though I've had my share of minor complaints, I couldn't think of a better site to waste so many hours of my day on. Not trying to suck up or anything, but there's overall a lot of good people here, if you look past the douchebags and AWs. You've got a good thing going on here and I, for one, appreciate it.

Just wanted to let you know.


#1 reason why I never biatched about the ads on TF. Just the wasted space.

/there's a fix for that, though. ;)

 
xanadian [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 11:06:34 AM  
leftyblonde: fireandashes36: Is this the thread where everybody is kinda hanging out, acting cordial, and secretly just hoping to get a LAST POST in?

maybe.


possibly.

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-08 11:07:17 AM  
baked beans: leftyblonde: We all know who will get the LAST POST!!!

I do believe I got the last one several days ago....

bwahahahahahahahahahaha


yes, you did!

 
ThreeWiseMonkeys 2008-10-08 11:09:52 AM  
It was mentioned earlier. Can we get a list of mods so we can add them to our favs and see what they have to say?

 
studkickass 2008-10-08 11:10:28 AM  
I had my picture posting privileges taken away 2 or 3 years ago, can I have them back?

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-08 11:10:59 AM  
ThreeWiseMonkeys: It was mentioned earlier. Can we get a list of mods so we can add them to our favs and see what they have to say?

this!

 
fireandashes36 2008-10-08 11:12:47 AM  
Well let me be the one to say that you TF's have some weird priorities. I am off to fail a midterm.

 
blurfyblonde 2008-10-08 11:22:01 AM  
Is Drew coming back?

 
Pinko_Commie 2008-10-08 11:38:12 AM  
blueswoman: good jorb. except for the spelling error, which i thoughtfully have repairedAmericanised for you. ;)

FTFY :-p

 
professorkowalski [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 11:42:50 AM  
the first rule of LP, don't speak of LP

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 11:45:47 AM  
dstanley: Drew, ever thought about sharing the contents of your inbox? I'm sure there's some comedy gold in there.

Haha. Yeah there sure is. No plans to share it though, mainly because the worst thing you can do with people who send emails like that is send them to oblivion

 
dogdaze [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 11:48:28 AM  
I'm way late to the thread, but I have to agree w/ Drew. The house party metaphor works great for me. My Fark handle comes from a time when we held a HUGE house party every July (parties were called Dogdaze of July). It started out pretty open ended, but due to troublesome party crashing and a lot of damage, I had no choice but to impose restrictions and change some things (like no more kegs) just so we could have fun w/o all the assholes. The world is that way and it's not fair, but when has it ever been?

 
FelineMommy27 [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-08 12:02:03 PM  
dogdaze: I'm way late to the thread, but I have to agree w/ Drew. The house party metaphor works great for me. My Fark handle comes from a time when we held a HUGE house party every July (parties were called Dogdaze of July). It started out pretty open ended, but due to troublesome party crashing and a lot of damage, I had no choice but to impose restrictions and change some things (like no more kegs) just so we could have fun w/o all the assholes. The world is that way and it's not fair, but when has it ever been?

That's like poetry man. I can dig.

 
ultraholland [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 12:09:29 PM  
I must say that my computer likes this multi-page option. These massive threads would normally melt the damn thing, but being able to load 50 comments at a time is much better.

 
Drew [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 12:12:45 PM  
ultraholland: I must say that my computer likes this multi-page option. These massive threads would normally melt the damn thing, but being able to load 50 comments at a time is much better.

We pretty much had to do it for large threads, they'd melt the site

 
basemetal [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 12:16:39 PM  
So Drew, will I get the banhammer for posting cleavage pics in the political threads submitted to TFD? Please say no.

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-08 12:18:34 PM  
Drew,

Can I be a mod?

 
Rosyjenn 2008-10-08 12:18:36 PM  
I read this whole thread. Yep the whole thing. I don't like drama and I tend to stay away from it but the general flavor of what I got was that people are asking for is more transparency with banning and moderation. That's all. That's not too much to ask for especially for a service that is paid for. It's a great community and a lot of us have forged close friendships from this place. It's a nice break from the uptight parts of daily life and I enjoy it. Thank you for the availability of it and for the ideas. I just think that listening a bit more to your subscribers and being more transparent would help and not hinder things here. So far it's a good job.

That's my 2 cents.. hehe

 
Paryb [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 12:25:53 PM  
leftyblonde: Drew,

Can I be a mod?


She'd abuse her power and put myspacesque sparklies everywhere!

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-08 12:29:42 PM  
Paryb: leftyblonde: Drew,

Can I be a mod?

She'd abuse her power and put myspacesque sparklies everywhere!


i59.photobucket.com

 
dogdaze [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 12:29:52 PM  
Rosyjenn: I read this whole thread. Yep the whole thing. I don't like drama and I tend to stay away from it but the general flavor of what I got was that people are asking for is more transparency with banning and moderation. That's all. That's not too much to ask for especially for a service that is paid for. It's a great community and a lot of us have forged close friendships from this place. It's a nice break from the uptight parts of daily life and I enjoy it. Thank you for the availability of it and for the ideas. I just think that listening a bit more to your subscribers and being more transparent would help and not hinder things here. So far it's a good job.

That's my 2 cents.. hehe


Hey, I've had a couple timeouts and when I used farkback to find out why. The mods told me and made efforts not to be bad anymore. I found it to be transparent

 
Rosyjenn 2008-10-08 12:38:07 PM  
dogdaze: Hey, I've had a couple timeouts and when I used farkback to find out why. The mods told me and made efforts not to be bad anymore. I found it to be transparent

Like I said I stay out of drama. Ive never had a time out that I know of and I have used farkback twice and gotten a response one of those times. I'm just saying from what I read this what the way I saw things. The other thing to remember is that it's the internet and people take things way too seriously. I don't like things that go on in some threads. I don't like the way people get jumped on but usually it's all just kidding around and is the flavor of the thread. I'm cool with that. My life doesn't revolve around fark and nor should anyone else's. Just reading every single one of the posts on this thread over 3 cps of coffee and getting 2 kids ready for school that's the thing I saw people asking for. :-)

I'll shaddup now.

 
dogdaze [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 12:44:46 PM  
Rosyjenn: dogdaze: Hey, I've had a couple timeouts and when I used farkback to find out why. The mods told me and made efforts not to be bad anymore. I found it to be transparent

Like I said I stay out of drama. Ive never had a time out that I know of and I have used farkback twice and gotten a response one of those times. I'm just saying from what I read this what the way I saw things. The other thing to remember is that it's the internet and people take things way too seriously. I don't like things that go on in some threads. I don't like the way people get jumped on but usually it's all just kidding around and is the flavor of the thread. I'm cool with that. My life doesn't revolve around fark and nor should anyone else's. Just reading every single one of the posts on this thread over 3 cps of coffee and getting 2 kids ready for school that's the thing I saw people asking for. :-)

I'll shaddup now.


No reason to be quiet. I agree there are some folks w/ waaaay too much time on their hands.

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-08 12:46:41 PM  
I have way too much time on my hands.

 
CastorPimp 2008-10-08 12:49:17 PM  
Drew, can leftyblonde be a mod?

 
cretinbob [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 12:56:08 PM  
frenchcheesemuseum: cretinbob: all caps and bold, should get timed out.

ORLY. Do you have the banhammer in your hand ready to let it drop?

No?

I DIDN'T THINK SO MISTER.

That is the problem here. Everybody thinks that the things that offend them should be bannable offenses.

LIGHTEN UP FOLKS, ITS A GOD DAMNED INTERNET FORUM. MAYBE YOU ALL NEED TO STEP OUTSIDE AND ENJOY SOME FRESH AIR.


ALLCAPSANDNOSPACESBURNTHEEYESOFTHEWEAKMINDED!!!!!

I was just picking on you, it was a great example of what some people would overlook and what some would ban you for 20-life for.

That was an IC post, my big long rambly one was OOC.

 
TypoFlyspray 2008-10-08 01:04:48 PM  
Your house, your rules. I can live with that. Thanks for laying it out, Drew.

 
professorkowalski [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 01:05:23 PM  
Paryb: leftyblonde: Drew,

Can I be a mod?

She'd abuse her power and put myspacesque sparklies everywhere!


And lots of twirling green or multicolored arrows.

 
Stratigus64 2008-10-08 01:05:28 PM  
LIRST PORST CORNTIST!!!
//that strangely reminds me of Coach Z.

 
The NaSkAr [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 01:13:09 PM  
leftyblonde: Why you gotta be such a meanie?

I added you to my list!


nooo, what list?

 
make me some tea [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 01:14:16 PM  
leftyblonde: I have way too much time on my hands.

So do I.

 
aniktwo 2008-10-08 01:18:52 PM  
FarkinHostile: aniktwo

No, I would totally lose on account that I created my account in 2007 and also I don't have a penis.


I can help you with the last part.




I know it's a late reply, but I loled at this.

 
aniktwo 2008-10-08 01:24:52 PM  
NittLion78: Cerebral Ballsy: OMG. Reminds me of the "I'm getting married and all of Fark is invited" thread.. only to come to find out she'd never met the groom in real life.

That image is priceless.

/right click - save as

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-08 01:59:08 PM  
The NaSkAr: leftyblonde: Why you gotta be such a meanie?

I added you to my list!

nooo, what list?


the one I added you to.

Drew isn't on it because he never says anything to me or about me ever.

 
jaylectricity [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 02:10:46 PM  
i106.photobucket.com

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-08 02:15:07 PM  
Dear Drew,

I think leftyblonde should be a mod because ____________________________________________________.

hugs and kisses,

__________________

 
frenchcheesemuseum [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 02:19:28 PM  
cretinbob: ALLCAPSANDNOSPACESBURNTHEEYESOFTHEWEAKMINDED!!!!!

DON'TFORGETHOWPEOPLETYPEUPTHEIRENTIRELIFESTORIESINTHEDITWITHOUTUSINGSPACESORPARA GRAPHBREAKSANDITENDSUPBEINGONEINCREDIBLYLONGUNREADABLEPILEOFTOLSTOYGARBAGETHATNO BODYWANTSTOTAKETHETIMETODECIPHERANDREADANYWAYANDDONTFORGETTHECOMPLETELACKOFALLAN DANYPUNCTUATIONTHATMAKESITEQUALLYDIFFICULTTOREADTHENTHEYCOMEINANDbiatchANDMOANHO W NOBODYREADSTHEIRDAMNEDDIT.

 
aniktwo 2008-10-08 02:30:28 PM  
filth: thebigmike1983: filth: Fark continues to be the highest and best use of the internet.

I don't know about that.

Nice. However, I think the order goes:

1. Fark
2. Zombo
3. This
4. Real Ultimate Power
386. Slashdot
4,378,773. Digg




That cube website is one of the most farked up things I've seen in a long time.

 
professorkowalski [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 02:32:27 PM  
Last?

 
aniktwo 2008-10-08 02:36:55 PM  
bsharitt: Is it true that all IPs for the the city of Winnipeg have been banned?

No, because the awesomest TFettes come from Winnipeg.

 
aniktwo 2008-10-08 02:37:30 PM  
professorkowalski: Last?

Nooo! I'm still in here commenting on stuff from yesterday.

 
professorkowalski [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 02:38:40 PM  
aniktwo: professorkowalski: Last?

Nooo! I'm still in here commenting on stuff from yesterday.


Thats good. Just be a full day behind the times, like any good Canadian.

 
doyner [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 03:16:05 PM  
leftyblonde: Dear Drew,

I think leftyblonde should be a mod because ______she is the bestest evar. she is never mean to anyone who doesn't deserve it, she has good jugement, and she makes threads less lame_______________.

hugs and kisses,

_______doyner______

 
Prohest 2008-10-08 04:02:19 PM  
Fark was much, much better two years ago. The trolls and all the users that could set off fun threads are mostly gone now. I ám aware that Americans for some reason are quite anal. But the current climate is just to "Gestapo" for me. Fark went from National Lampoon's Animal House, to a deadly boring sunday school.

/But you already know you broke it, I assume?

 
cyber_slacker 2008-10-08 04:03:42 PM  
So, Drew, who are you voting for?

 
FunkyColdMedinosaur 2008-10-08 04:13:06 PM  
Maybe my one shot at last post in epic thread.

Will it work?

/probably not

 
illuminaughty 2008-10-08 04:13:39 PM  
Prohest: Fark was much, much better two years ago. The trolls and all the users that could set off fun threads are mostly gone now. I ám aware that Americans for some reason are quite anal. But the current climate is just to "Gestapo" for me. Fark went from National Lampoon's Animal House, to a deadly boring sunday school.

/But you already know you broke it, I assume?


I wish I could give you a cool point.

 
FunkyColdMedinosaur 2008-10-08 04:14:59 PM  
illuminaughty: Prohest: Fark was much, much better two years ago. The trolls and all the users that could set off fun threads are mostly gone now. I ám aware that Americans for some reason are quite anal. But the current climate is just to "Gestapo" for me. Fark went from National Lampoon's Animal House, to a deadly boring sunday school.

/But you already know you broke it, I assume?

I wish I could give you a cool point.


Dammit.

 
jaylectricity [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 04:29:39 PM  
There is a certain kind of troll that I enjoy. The kind that just keeps throwing funny shiat out there until something sticks. I mean comedy funny, not self-serving gets-a-kick outta pissing people off funny. A couple of my favorites disappeared recently. One I noticed got into a very angry, heated attack session and probably went overboard. Another one had no problem being a whipping boy around TF as long as he could find funny ways to embrace it. Don't know what happened to that one. Probably got drawn into the political melee known as election year.

Unfortunately if you are not familiar with these types' work, you might misunderstand them and think they are trying to rain on your parade.

Somebody mentioned earlier that it was hard to tell if somebody was joking sometimes. I assume everything is a joke. I don't care if you involve shaved llamas and my naked mother, I'm just going to assume you're trying to make some kind of joke.

 
professorkowalski [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 04:47:01 PM  
jaylectricity: I don't care if you involve shaved llamas and my naked mother, I'm just going to assume you're trying to make some kind of joke.

I saw that movie you made, it was too weird for my taste.

 
rssvss [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 05:12:11 PM  
Is this TorD thread still going....

 
professorkowalski [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 05:12:20 PM  
lets all go to the movies. lets all go to the movies. lets all go to the movies and have ourselves last post.

 
HunterNIU 2008-10-08 05:14:56 PM  
Drew,

You come back to this thread RIGHT NOW and tell me why I still have the narc feature. Does everyone have it now?

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-08 05:24:44 PM  
rssvss: Is this TorD thread still going....

TRUTH: Why are you still posting in here?

DARE: Post a pic of your belly button!

 
professorkowalski [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 05:29:08 PM  
leftyblonde: rssvss: Is this TorD thread still going....

TRUTH: Why are you still posting in here?

DARE: Post a pic of your belly button!


Lefty, you are not allowed to win this. No posting of the last comment for you.

 
fireandashes36 2008-10-08 05:29:20 PM  
HunterNIU: Drew,

You come back to this thread RIGHT NOW and tell me why I still have the narc feature. Does everyone have it now?


I have some sort of narc feature, but I am a firm believer in the snitches get stitches policy, so I never use it.

 
HunterNIU 2008-10-08 05:51:20 PM  
fireandashes36: HunterNIU: Drew,

You come back to this thread RIGHT NOW and tell me why I still have the narc feature. Does everyone have it now?

I have some sort of narc feature, but I am a firm believer in the snitches get stitches policy, so I never use it.


www.yeslizzysloaded.com

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-08 05:56:12 PM  
professorkowalski: Lefty, you are not allowed to win this. No posting of the last comment for you.

I'M NOT TRYING TO WIN!!!

 
Pinko_Commie 2008-10-08 06:00:22 PM  
Dumb-Ass-Monkey: GregoryD: Dude it sucks to get banned for any reason. You just gotta move on sometimes.

The point isn't that I was banned, it's that I was banned for such a small, stupid thing while the Favored Farkers could regularly get away with murder.


B-b-b-b-but Clinton.......

 
fireandashes36 2008-10-08 06:00:48 PM  
leftyblonde: professorkowalski: Lefty, you are not allowed to win this. No posting of the last comment for you.

I'M NOT TRYING TO WIN!!!


She is totally trying to win. For SHAME!!!

 
Paryb [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 06:00:52 PM  
Well you are not not trying very hard.

 
DeCypher44 [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 06:05:56 PM  
So when is the next installment coming?

 
The NaSkAr [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 06:06:42 PM  
leftyblonde: TRUTH: Why are you still posting in here?

DARE: Post a pic of your belly button!


now you want to be like Roook? Oh you poor unfortunate thing.

 
jaylectricity [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 06:27:30 PM  
The NaSkAr: leftyblonde: TRUTH: Why are you still posting in here?

DARE: Post a pic of your belly button!

now you want to be like Roook? Oh you poor unfortunate thing.


Roook is desperately afraid of spiders.

Justs thought I'd throw that out there.

 
skiptomyloop [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 06:28:31 PM  
So you LPers need to hurry up and get to LP 200

 
jaylectricity [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 06:29:01 PM  
skiptomyloop: So you LPers need to hurry up and get to LP 200

Actually the movement is to slow it down.

 
rssvss [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 06:31:45 PM  
www.arkrocks.info

 
skiptomyloop [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 06:33:10 PM  
jaylectricity: skiptomyloop: So you LPers need to hurry up and get to LP 200

Actually the movement is to slow it down.


:(
i've been stockin up my bukkit for it

 
jaylectricity [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 06:38:02 PM  
skiptomyloop: i've been stockin up my bukkit for it

You have frickin TF, why aren't you over here?

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-08 06:57:31 PM  
Why don't you just invite everybody?

 
basemetal [TotalFark] 2008-10-08 06:59:52 PM  
farm4.static.flickr.com

 
fireandashes36 2008-10-08 07:17:44 PM  
god damn I hate martini's

 
leftyblonde [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-08 07:20:02 PM  
i59.photobucket.com

 
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